Re: [CentOS-virt] Hey

2014-01-28 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Robert Dinse  wrote:
>
>   I've used both Xen and KVM and at least in benchmarks of applications I
> did here I didn't see much difference and since KVM is natively supported by
> RedHat, that's what I've been using.

I used to use Xen. As far as I can tell, I published the first SRPM's
for it, back when it was open entirely open source, before Citrix
bought it.  As far as I  can tell, the open source Xen suffers from
many of the same problems as KVM and qemu. Namely, the gui and command
line tool, "libvirt", is poorly built overburdened debris that does
not fulfill *anyone's* standards of a good configuration tool,
especially the open source GUI guidelines written by Eric Raymond in
his "Luxury of Ignorance" essay.

That said, Xen suffers no more from it than KVM does. It also doesn't
have the stunningly painful requirements to override NetworkManager
and manually configure the bridge device, as documented by me years
ago at at 
https://wikis.uit.tufts.edu/confluence/display/TUSKpub/Configure+Pair+Bonding+and+Bridges+for+KVM+Hypervisor.


>   Obviously on this list there is mostly Xen users, and I feel like I must
> be missing some great advantage so I am curious, those of you who prefer Xen,
> why?

Personally, I use Virtualbox or corporate supplied VMware these days.
Not becuase I don't like open source tools, but because I prefer to
spend my subtle confifation time more usefully than working through
libvirt and NetworkManager manual, poorly documented, unintegrated
confuiguration steps just to get things to work normally.
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Re: [CentOS-virt] Hey

2014-01-28 Thread NightLightHosts Admin
I have used xen over kvm and others for a while.  It was what I just
started using first years ago.  With Xen I could manage domains and my
system seemed like a real server.  KVM just seemed like a command line
trick to me.  (I know it is not especially since its integration into
the kernel.)

xenserver is pretty sweet and there are some big products built around
it.  Citrix loves it too.  OpenStack is neat:
http://www.xenproject.org/presentations-and-videos/video/xpus13-rackspace.html

I was disappointed when redhat dropped xen :/  I mean now there is an
entire project around keeping xen on centos, etc.  This one.

In the end xen just seemed more strait forward.
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Re: [CentOS-virt] Hey

2014-01-28 Thread Robert Dinse

  I've used both Xen and KVM and at least in benchmarks of applications I
did here I didn't see much difference and since KVM is natively supported by
RedHat, that's what I've been using.

  Obviously on this list there is mostly Xen users, and I feel like I must
be missing some great advantage so I am curious, those of you who prefer Xen,
why?

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On Mon, 27 Jan 2014, NightLightHosts Admin wrote:

> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:21:36 -1000
> From: NightLightHosts Admin 
> Reply-To: Discussion about the virtualization on CentOS
> 
> To: centos-virt@centos.org
> Subject: [CentOS-virt] Hey
> 
> Just want to let you guys know that, although it may have been around
> for a bit, bringing Xen back to CentOS is awesome and I really
> appreciate it.  I was very disappointed when RedHat dropped support as
> Xen is awesome.
>
> Thanks for the effort!
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[CentOS-virt] Hey

2014-01-28 Thread NightLightHosts Admin
Just want to let you guys know that, although it may have been around
for a bit, bringing Xen back to CentOS is awesome and I really
appreciate it.  I was very disappointed when RedHat dropped support as
Xen is awesome.

Thanks for the effort!
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