Re: [CentOS-virt] SPICE Benchmark
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:02:49PM -0500, Scott Dowdle wrote: Greetings, - Original Message - So as I understand it correctly, this whole SPICE thing is just something like VNC on steroids? Why can't we have this SPICE thing work on physical hosts as well? SPICE was specifically designed to be a display protocol for a KVM virtual machine. Most remote display protocols have two pieces... a client and a server. SPICE has three... a client, a server, and a qxl device driver provided inside of a KVM virtual machine. It is probably possible to take the SPICE protocol and adapt it to work without the qxl device driver... but no one has done that yet. The best experience I've seen for a remote Linux box was provided by No Machine's NX protocol. FreeNX comes from NX but it appears FreeNX has stalled. Google created some project, I forget the name, forked from FreeNX I believe. No Machine is working on version 4.0 of NX and supposedly will be releasing a beta in the not too distant future. Some time ago they posted a lot of information about NX 4.0 on their website and it seems to rival SPICE to a certain degree... but that remains to be seen. Google's NX implementation is called 'neatx': http://code.google.com/p/neatx/ What I'd like to see happen would be for SPICE to be adapted to a general purpose remote display protocol or perhap Red Hat could buy No Machine and open source that protocol too. :) NX the protocol is open already.. :) Nomachine's NX server product is not.. -- Pasi ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] SPICE Benchmark
Greetings, - Original Message - Google's NX implementation is called 'neatx': http://code.google.com/p/neatx/ Thanks. I was looking for that. NX the protocol is open already.. :) It is for all versions before 4.0. 4.0 will be completely closed. TYL, -- Scott Dowdle 704 Church Street Belgrade, MT 59714 (406)388-0827 [home] (406)994-3931 [work] ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] SPICE Benchmark
On 11/16/10 21:28, Alexey Vasyukov wrote: Hello again. Unfortunatelly we do not have that much materials in English. (But if you can read Russian - welcome to http://www.ossportal.ru/technologies/rhev. :-) ) If you want just to see SPICE in action it is not hard. You need qemu with SPICE support on server and SPICE client on client. You need to start qemu on server with additional options: -spice port=port,disable-ticketing - use this one if you do not need password protection OR -spice port=port,password=secret - if you need to protect connection After it you can connect from client using spicec -h host -p port Additional options for compression, encryption, etc are described in qemu man page. Best regards, Alexey So as I understand it correctly, this whole SPICE thing is just something like VNC on steroids? Why can't we have this SPICE thing work on physical hosts as well? Glenn ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] SPICE Benchmark
The SPICE protocol is implemented as a guest graphics adapter of QEMU. In other words, it's made for virtual desktops running under QEMU/KVM. That's why it does not work directly on a physical machine. Siggi On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 19:37 +0100, RedShift wrote: On 11/16/10 21:28, Alexey Vasyukov wrote: Hello again. Unfortunatelly we do not have that much materials in English. (But if you can read Russian - welcome to http://www.ossportal.ru/technologies/rhev. :-) ) If you want just to see SPICE in action it is not hard. You need qemu with SPICE support on server and SPICE client on client. You need to start qemu on server with additional options: -spice port=port,disable-ticketing - use this one if you do not need password protection OR -spice port=port,password=secret - if you need to protect connection After it you can connect from client using spicec -h host -p port Additional options for compression, encryption, etc are described in qemu man page. Best regards, Alexey So as I understand it correctly, this whole SPICE thing is just something like VNC on steroids? Why can't we have this SPICE thing work on physical hosts as well? Glenn ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] SPICE Benchmark
Greetings, - Original Message - So as I understand it correctly, this whole SPICE thing is just something like VNC on steroids? Why can't we have this SPICE thing work on physical hosts as well? SPICE was specifically designed to be a display protocol for a KVM virtual machine. Most remote display protocols have two pieces... a client and a server. SPICE has three... a client, a server, and a qxl device driver provided inside of a KVM virtual machine. It is probably possible to take the SPICE protocol and adapt it to work without the qxl device driver... but no one has done that yet. The best experience I've seen for a remote Linux box was provided by No Machine's NX protocol. FreeNX comes from NX but it appears FreeNX has stalled. Google created some project, I forget the name, forked from FreeNX I believe. No Machine is working on version 4.0 of NX and supposedly will be releasing a beta in the not too distant future. Some time ago they posted a lot of information about NX 4.0 on their website and it seems to rival SPICE to a certain degree... but that remains to be seen. What I'd like to see happen would be for SPICE to be adapted to a general purpose remote display protocol or perhap Red Hat could buy No Machine and open source that protocol too. :) TYL, -- Scott Dowdle 704 Church Street Belgrade, MT 59714 (406)388-0827 [home] (406)994-3931 [work] ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] SPICE Benchmark
Very Nice...Keep us up to date on future findings, very interesting readThanks. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Alexey Vasyukov vasyu...@gmail.comwrote: Hi folks. We finally finished our work on benchmarking SPICE and would like to share the results. Detailed report in English: http://www.bureausolomatina.ru/sites/default/files/SPICE%20Benchmark%20-%202010-11-16.pdf The report provides benchmark results of SPICE network load for different types of workload. SPICE operation on limited low-speed network connection was also tested. The results were compared with similar tests for RDP. Testing was based on SPICE version 0.4.3. This version is not the latest one but it is used currently in RHEV-D 2.2 and also in RHEL6. So, we guess, the results are pretty useful. We are going to test SPICE 0.6 in nearest future because it has very interesting WAN improvements. So, we welcome any comments, critics or advices. Best regards, Alexey Vasyukov ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] SPICE Benchmark
Same here. Thank you very much Alexey for sharing this. Tom Bishop wrote: Very Nice...Keep us up to date on future findings, very interesting readThanks. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Alexey Vasyukov vasyu...@gmail.com mailto:vasyu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks. We finally finished our work on benchmarking SPICE and would like to share the results. Detailed report in English: http://www.bureausolomatina.ru/sites/default/files/SPICE%20Benchmark%20-%202010-11-16.pdf The report provides benchmark results of SPICE network load for different types of workload. SPICE operation on limited low-speed network connection was also tested. The results were compared with similar tests for RDP. Testing was based on SPICE version 0.4.3. This version is not the latest one but it is used currently in RHEV-D 2.2 and also in RHEL6. So, we guess, the results are pretty useful. We are going to test SPICE 0.6 in nearest future because it has very interesting WAN improvements. So, we welcome any comments, critics or advices. Best regards, Alexey Vasyukov ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org mailto:CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] SPICE Benchmark
I don't suppose you have any websites you would recommend that shows how to install and use spice? Thanks.. ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] SPICE Benchmark
Greetings, - Original Message - I don’t suppose you have any websites you would recommend that shows how to install and use spice? I second that question. While I've found instructions here and there, and have even given Fedora 14 a try as well... the processes is very manual and I have yet to find a very detailed set of instructions for getting SPICE going. I understand that the benchmark paper used RHEV for Desktops... which I assume does all of the work for you... but what about us folks who are using RHEL 5.5, RHEL 6, and/or Fedora 14. All of them come with KVM and SPICE packages but we need some detailed instructions on setting it up and making it work. Thanks in advance for any consideration, -- Scott Dowdle 704 Church Street Belgrade, MT 59714 (406)388-0827 [home] (406)994-3931 [work] ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] SPICE Benchmark
Real thanks go to Mikhail Kulemin and Pavel Zhukov who did benchmarks. ) 2010/11/16 Ben M. cen...@rivint.com Same here. Thank you very much Alexey for sharing this. Tom Bishop wrote: Very Nice...Keep us up to date on future findings, very interesting readThanks. On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Alexey Vasyukov vasyu...@gmail.com mailto:vasyu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks. We finally finished our work on benchmarking SPICE and would like to share the results. Detailed report in English: http://www.bureausolomatina.ru/sites/default/files/SPICE%20Benchmark%20-%202010-11-16.pdf The report provides benchmark results of SPICE network load for different types of workload. SPICE operation on limited low-speed network connection was also tested. The results were compared with similar tests for RDP. Testing was based on SPICE version 0.4.3. This version is not the latest one but it is used currently in RHEV-D 2.2 and also in RHEL6. So, we guess, the results are pretty useful. We are going to test SPICE 0.6 in nearest future because it has very interesting WAN improvements. So, we welcome any comments, critics or advices. Best regards, Alexey Vasyukov ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org mailto:CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] SPICE Benchmark
Hello again. Unfortunatelly we do not have that much materials in English. (But if you can read Russian - welcome to http://www.ossportal.ru/technologies/rhev. :-) ) If you want just to see SPICE in action it is not hard. You need qemu with SPICE support on server and SPICE client on client. You need to start qemu on server with additional options: -spice port=port,disable-ticketing - use this one if you do not need password protection OR -spice port=port,password=secret - if you need to protect connection After it you can connect from client using spicec -h host -p port Additional options for compression, encryption, etc are described in qemu man page. Best regards, Alexey 2010/11/16 Scott Dowdle dow...@montanalinux.org Greetings, - Original Message - I don’t suppose you have any websites you would recommend that shows how to install and use spice? I second that question. While I've found instructions here and there, and have even given Fedora 14 a try as well... the processes is very manual and I have yet to find a very detailed set of instructions for getting SPICE going. I understand that the benchmark paper used RHEV for Desktops... which I assume does all of the work for you... but what about us folks who are using RHEL 5.5, RHEL 6, and/or Fedora 14. All of them come with KVM and SPICE packages but we need some detailed instructions on setting it up and making it work. Thanks in advance for any consideration, -- Scott Dowdle 704 Church Street Belgrade, MT 59714 (406)388-0827 [home] (406)994-3931 [work] ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-virt] SPICE Benchmark
Greetings, - Original Message - If you want just to see SPICE in action it is not hard. You need qemu with SPICE support on server and SPICE client on client. You need to start qemu on server with additional options: -spice port=port,disable-ticketing - use this one if you do not need password protection OR -spice port=port,password=secret - if you need to protect connection After it you can connect from client using spicec -h host -p port That isn't quite all there is to it. What about installing the xorg-x11-drv-qxl package in the guest VM and configuring it in xorg.conf? How exactly is that done? Also I believe spice-server needs to be running on the VM host. I'm kinda going by Fedora 14's SPICE feature page (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Spice) as well as a CentOS related one (http://www.geekgoth.de/tag/centos/). Are all the packages one needs to get SPICE going on the VM host included in CentOS 5.5? What packages are those? Are there any steps required for inside of the VM? Simply having the right qemu-kvm and starting up the VM with the -spice flag isn't all there is to it. What many of us need are step by step instructions. TYL, -- Scott Dowdle 704 Church Street Belgrade, MT 59714 (406)388-0827 [home] (406)994-3931 [work] ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
