Re: Busy List

2005-01-13 Thread Spike
It was announced on April 29th 2002, but it wasn't available until 
29th May.

http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2002/coldfusion_mx_announce.html

Sounds like the Ad is just trying to discourage people with limited or 
no experience.

Spike

Adam Haskell wrote:
> Did MX come out in 2000 or 1999? I saw an ad asking for 5+ year of MX
> experience...w/o counting beta is that even possible? I was stuck on
> the CF 5 wagon when MX emerged so I am off on the exact MX
> timelineI was just wondering if this is like the ad I saw in 2003
> asking for 5 years of expereince with  SQL server 2000. At any rate
> yes there have been quite a few job postings lateltyand full time
> jobs at that not just contracts...
> 
> Adam H
> 
> 
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:31:38 -0500, Michael Dinowitz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>All different jobs. A number of nice ones and that's not even the rest of
>>the NY ones I have to post. The CF job market is looking up.
>>
>>
>>>Is it just me or is CF-Jobs very busy of late?
>>>
>>>I've not been reading the mails as from the subject line they all seem to
>>>be
>>>in the US. For all I know it might be the same job again and again!
>>>
>>>Ade
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RE: Busy List

2005-01-13 Thread Michael Dinowitz
5+ years MX would not be possible. We were ironing out the pieces of MX in
fall of 2000. I think it came out in beta 2001 and release 2002. Someone
please correct me if I'm wrong.

> Did MX come out in 2000 or 1999? I saw an ad asking for 5+ year of MX
> experience...w/o counting beta is that even possible? I was stuck on
> the CF 5 wagon when MX emerged so I am off on the exact MX
> timelineI was just wondering if this is like the ad I saw in 2003
> asking for 5 years of expereince with  SQL server 2000. At any rate
> yes there have been quite a few job postings lateltyand full time
> jobs at that not just contracts...
> 
> Adam H
> 
> 
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:31:38 -0500, Michael Dinowitz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > All different jobs. A number of nice ones and that's not even the rest
> of
> > the NY ones I have to post. The CF job market is looking up.
> >
> > > Is it just me or is CF-Jobs very busy of late?
> > >
> > > I've not been reading the mails as from the subject line they all seem
> to
> > > be
> > > in the US. For all I know it might be the same job again and again!
> > >
> > > Ade
> > > --
> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 12/01/2005
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Re: Busy List

2005-01-13 Thread Adam Haskell
Did MX come out in 2000 or 1999? I saw an ad asking for 5+ year of MX
experience...w/o counting beta is that even possible? I was stuck on
the CF 5 wagon when MX emerged so I am off on the exact MX
timelineI was just wondering if this is like the ad I saw in 2003
asking for 5 years of expereince with  SQL server 2000. At any rate
yes there have been quite a few job postings lateltyand full time
jobs at that not just contracts...

Adam H


On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:31:38 -0500, Michael Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All different jobs. A number of nice ones and that's not even the rest of
> the NY ones I have to post. The CF job market is looking up.
> 
> > Is it just me or is CF-Jobs very busy of late?
> >
> > I've not been reading the mails as from the subject line they all seem to
> > be
> > in the US. For all I know it might be the same job again and again!
> >
> > Ade
> > --
> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 12/01/2005
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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RE: Busy List

2005-01-13 Thread Michael Dinowitz
All different jobs. A number of nice ones and that's not even the rest of
the NY ones I have to post. The CF job market is looking up.

> Is it just me or is CF-Jobs very busy of late?
> 
> I've not been reading the mails as from the subject line they all seem to
> be
> in the US. For all I know it might be the same job again and again!
> 
> Ade
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 12/01/2005
> 
> 
> 

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Busy List

2005-01-13 Thread Adrian Lynch
Is it just me or is CF-Jobs very busy of late?

I've not been reading the mails as from the subject line they all seem to be
in the US. For all I know it might be the same job again and again!

Ade
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No virus found in this outgoing message.
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Re: software developers vs web-site developers?

2005-01-13 Thread Bryan Stevenson
>In this day and age, how many 'websites' are web only?

more sites are static that dynamic...but if you are talking commercial 
sites...then I'd say more are dynamic than static

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: software developers vs web-site developers?

2005-01-13 Thread Michael Dinowitz
In this day and age, how many 'websites' are web only?

> Web developers usually only do websites. Software developers are
> experienced in creating applications for use beyond the web, or
> integrating web sites with other applications.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:41:57 -0400, Johnny Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Michael Dinowitz just posted a message on the CF-Jobs forum looking for
> two Cold Fusion MX Developers.  At the end of the message, he made the
> distinction that 'Our client is looking for software developers not "web-
> site developers".'
> >
> > What exactly is the difference between sofware developers and web site
> developers?  We are talking about ColdFusion here.  ColdFusion is strictly
> web-based.  Aren't all ColdFusion applications web sites?  Aren't all
> ColdFusion software developers "web-site developers"?  What are the
> requirements you should have in order to call yourself a software
> developer?
> >
> > Johnny
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Re: software developers vs web-site developers?

2005-01-13 Thread Maureen
Web developers usually only do websites. Software developers are
experienced in creating applications for use beyond the web, or
integrating web sites with other applications.


On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:41:57 -0400, Johnny Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Dinowitz just posted a message on the CF-Jobs forum looking for two 
> Cold Fusion MX Developers.  At the end of the message, he made the 
> distinction that 'Our client is looking for software developers not "web-site 
> developers".'
> 
> What exactly is the difference between sofware developers and web site 
> developers?  We are talking about ColdFusion here.  ColdFusion is strictly 
> web-based.  Aren't all ColdFusion applications web sites?  Aren't all 
> ColdFusion software developers "web-site developers"?  What are the 
> requirements you should have in order to call yourself a software developer?
> 
> Johnny
> 
> 

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Re: software developers vs web-site developers?

2005-01-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
How often has this thread come up in the last ten years in the programming 
world? Yikes. Seldom any resolution, though.

Some terms to help confuse the issue:
  Software Developer
  Website Developer
  Developer
  HTML Coder
  Code Monkey
  Programmer
  DBA
  Software Engineer
  Analyst II

My thoughts:
I don't think OO necessarily comes into it, as many programmers are still 
working in C and Assembler, or other languages not supporting objects.
I think an engineer needs at least a BS degree in software engineering.
Most of the rest are really hiring buzzwords that truly signify nothing. 
I don't think the quality of a developers work can be judged by the label 
placed on them by their hr department.

I often change my title depending on who I am dealing with. (Sales, marketing, 
business owners, IT pros, family.)


On the other hand, there is a very wide range of programming capabilities. Some 
of this is experience (time in the seat), but more than that it is development 
approach. For example, I can throw up a web page in a few hours for a new site, 
but I try to get my clients to realize that up-front planning is all important. 
I try to spend the first 35%-40% of a project in planning and design. But the 
clients seldom understand that need. They want to see pretty pictures. ASAP. 
They don't understand UAT, IA, the difference between a design sample, a 
prototype and a beta.

Q: Does the way you label yourself, or the way you are labeled, truly define 
your skillset and approach?


Jerry Johnson
Web Developer
Dolan Media Company

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/12/05 05:13PM >>>
Hi Mike,

You confused me even more. In your ad, you distinguished between software 
developers and web site developers, but here you distinguish between engineers 
and programmers.  Are you saying software developers are like engineers and web 
site developers are like programmers?



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[Dallas, TX]---CFMX Developer wanted (repost)

2005-01-13 Thread Nathan
Looks as if I the job description didn't make it through, we'll give this
another go:

Description The Engineer, Application (International) is responsible for
maintaining and implementing applications and solutions relevant to our
customer's web site. As part of a world-class 24x7 web site, they will be
responsible for delivering applications that are scalable and flexible to
maximize the customer's potential in the relevant markets.

- Building, maintaining, testing, debugging and deploying global
applications
- Monitoring the applications and maintaining performance and availability
targets in line with SLA’s.
- Ad hoc projects as required.

Position Requirements - 4+ years ColdFusion programming experience on a
public website involving access to a database including at least 1 years
experience with CFMX and writing components
- Previous experience with high traffic or high transactional applications.
- Experience with internationalization and localization is key.
- Experience writing and maintaining functional and technical
specifications.
- Experience configuring and monitoring hardware preferred.
- Able to work independently with minimal supervision.
- Good written and verbal communication skills.
- Highly numerate and analytical.
- Effective interpersonal and listening skills.
- Proven ability to set priorities.
- Excellent problem solving skills.

Nathan Skorick
CareerPointe

Office 877.461.0550
Mobile 972.898.1716
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