Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents
When I was working through a recruiter or at least I guess that is what they were called, I happened to get told one time what they were charging for me and it was somewhere in the 200-300% range over what I was getting paid. I typically stay away from those situations these days, more because of my dislike with having to deal with them all the time. I actually made more money working through them at a lower hourly rate than what I work at being self-employed due to the tax differences. On 1/19/06, Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not a recruiter, but from what I can gather... > > If you're consulting through a firm, they are marking up at least 100%, > if not more. 300% does not surprise me. > >w/ full time stuff, it's usually a percentage of your first year > salary, > which I suspect is at least 50%. > > They'll never tell you. One of my friends has been on both sides of the > fence (He's hired people through recruiters and has found jobs through > recruiters). > > I typically don't deal w/ recruiters anymore. > > > At 07:55 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote: > >Out of interest, does anyone know what percentage the agency takes > from/adds > >to the rate? > > > >I know of one guy who wanted to charge the end client nearly 300% of the > >rate. That can't be normal can it? > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: 20 January 2006 00:46 > >To: CF-Jobs-Talk > >Subject: Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents > > > > > >I've had that happen too. I don't deal with them anymore if I can avoid > it. > >Agents now-a-days seem to think we (developers, DBAs, whatever it is > they're > >looking for) are not people. I've had one go quiet for months. then email > me > >again not remembering our previous contact. I had another ask me the same > >questions he asked in an earlier conversation from THAT DAY!! > > > >The industry of head hunting/recruiting has gone downhill a lot. > > > >On 1/19/06, Adrian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Companies I can understand. But agents? > > > > > > If they can take my email address and send automated emails for other > > > potential jobs, why can't they do the same with rejections? > > > > > > In my eyes it doesn't do their already tarnished reputations any good. > > > > > > I read a piece in the BCS (British Computer Society) magazine, saying > > > there > > > should be a code of conduct for agents, one that includes letting > > > candidates > > > know, in a timely manor, about rejections. I tend to agree. > > > > > > Having said all that, I meant to tell someone yesterday that I won't > be > > > able > > > to do some work for them because I don't have the time. Oppps! > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 20 January 2006 00:02 > > > To: CF-Jobs-Talk > > > Subject: Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents > > > > > > > > > > A quick question for any recruitment agents on this > > > > list(or anyone else who > > > > knows). > > > > > > > Twice in the passed year I've started a dialog with a > > > > recruitment agent, > > > > only for them to go quite and not tell me that I didn't > > > > get an interview. > > > > How hard would it be for them to have sent a quick email > > > > saying, "they > > > > weren't interested"? > > > > > > > I understand that this might lead to another email asking > > > > why etc, but I'd > > > > rather THAT second email was ignored and I knew I didn't > > > > get an interview so > > > > you can move on and make other plans. > > > > > > > Surely it's just common courtesy, or am I missing > > > > something? > > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > > It's become unfortunately common for companies to not send rejection > > > letters, emails, etc... just what I've experienced and heard from > others, > > > so > > > you're not alone in thinking it's discourteous. > > > > > > > > > > s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 > > > new epoch : isn't it time for a change? > > > > > > add features without fixtures with > > > the onTap open source framework > > > > > > http://www.fusiontap.com > > > http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2848 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: A Question For Recruitment Agents
I'm not a recruiter, but from what I can gather... If you're consulting through a firm, they are marking up at least 100%, if not more. 300% does not surprise me. w/ full time stuff, it's usually a percentage of your first year salary, which I suspect is at least 50%. They'll never tell you. One of my friends has been on both sides of the fence (He's hired people through recruiters and has found jobs through recruiters). I typically don't deal w/ recruiters anymore. At 07:55 PM 1/19/2006, you wrote: >Out of interest, does anyone know what percentage the agency takes from/adds >to the rate? > >I know of one guy who wanted to charge the end client nearly 300% of the >rate. That can't be normal can it? > >-Original Message- >From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 20 January 2006 00:46 >To: CF-Jobs-Talk >Subject: Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents > > >I've had that happen too. I don't deal with them anymore if I can avoid it. >Agents now-a-days seem to think we (developers, DBAs, whatever it is they're >looking for) are not people. I've had one go quiet for months. then email me >again not remembering our previous contact. I had another ask me the same >questions he asked in an earlier conversation from THAT DAY!! > >The industry of head hunting/recruiting has gone downhill a lot. > >On 1/19/06, Adrian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Companies I can understand. But agents? > > > > If they can take my email address and send automated emails for other > > potential jobs, why can't they do the same with rejections? > > > > In my eyes it doesn't do their already tarnished reputations any good. > > > > I read a piece in the BCS (British Computer Society) magazine, saying > > there > > should be a code of conduct for agents, one that includes letting > > candidates > > know, in a timely manor, about rejections. I tend to agree. > > > > Having said all that, I meant to tell someone yesterday that I won't be > > able > > to do some work for them because I don't have the time. Oppps! > > > > Adrian > > > > -Original Message- > > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 20 January 2006 00:02 > > To: CF-Jobs-Talk > > Subject: Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents > > > > > > > A quick question for any recruitment agents on this > > > list(or anyone else who > > > knows). > > > > > Twice in the passed year I've started a dialog with a > > > recruitment agent, > > > only for them to go quite and not tell me that I didn't > > > get an interview. > > > How hard would it be for them to have sent a quick email > > > saying, "they > > > weren't interested"? > > > > > I understand that this might lead to another email asking > > > why etc, but I'd > > > rather THAT second email was ignored and I knew I didn't > > > get an interview so > > > you can move on and make other plans. > > > > > Surely it's just common courtesy, or am I missing > > > something? > > > > > Adrian > > > > It's become unfortunately common for companies to not send rejection > > letters, emails, etc... just what I've experienced and heard from others, > > so > > you're not alone in thinking it's discourteous. > > > > > > s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 > > new epoch : isn't it time for a change? > > > > add features without fixtures with > > the onTap open source framework > > > > http://www.fusiontap.com > > http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2847 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: A Question For Recruitment Agents
Out of interest, does anyone know what percentage the agency takes from/adds to the rate? I know of one guy who wanted to charge the end client nearly 300% of the rate. That can't be normal can it? -Original Message- From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 January 2006 00:46 To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents I've had that happen too. I don't deal with them anymore if I can avoid it. Agents now-a-days seem to think we (developers, DBAs, whatever it is they're looking for) are not people. I've had one go quiet for months. then email me again not remembering our previous contact. I had another ask me the same questions he asked in an earlier conversation from THAT DAY!! The industry of head hunting/recruiting has gone downhill a lot. On 1/19/06, Adrian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Companies I can understand. But agents? > > If they can take my email address and send automated emails for other > potential jobs, why can't they do the same with rejections? > > In my eyes it doesn't do their already tarnished reputations any good. > > I read a piece in the BCS (British Computer Society) magazine, saying > there > should be a code of conduct for agents, one that includes letting > candidates > know, in a timely manor, about rejections. I tend to agree. > > Having said all that, I meant to tell someone yesterday that I won't be > able > to do some work for them because I don't have the time. Oppps! > > Adrian > > -Original Message- > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 20 January 2006 00:02 > To: CF-Jobs-Talk > Subject: Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents > > > > A quick question for any recruitment agents on this > > list(or anyone else who > > knows). > > > Twice in the passed year I've started a dialog with a > > recruitment agent, > > only for them to go quite and not tell me that I didn't > > get an interview. > > How hard would it be for them to have sent a quick email > > saying, "they > > weren't interested"? > > > I understand that this might lead to another email asking > > why etc, but I'd > > rather THAT second email was ignored and I knew I didn't > > get an interview so > > you can move on and make other plans. > > > Surely it's just common courtesy, or am I missing > > something? > > > Adrian > > It's become unfortunately common for companies to not send rejection > letters, emails, etc... just what I've experienced and heard from others, > so > you're not alone in thinking it's discourteous. > > > s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 > new epoch : isn't it time for a change? > > add features without fixtures with > the onTap open source framework > > http://www.fusiontap.com > http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2846 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents
I've had that happen too. I don't deal with them anymore if I can avoid it. Agents now-a-days seem to think we (developers, DBAs, whatever it is they're looking for) are not people. I've had one go quiet for months. then email me again not remembering our previous contact. I had another ask me the same questions he asked in an earlier conversation from THAT DAY!! The industry of head hunting/recruiting has gone downhill a lot. On 1/19/06, Adrian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Companies I can understand. But agents? > > If they can take my email address and send automated emails for other > potential jobs, why can't they do the same with rejections? > > In my eyes it doesn't do their already tarnished reputations any good. > > I read a piece in the BCS (British Computer Society) magazine, saying > there > should be a code of conduct for agents, one that includes letting > candidates > know, in a timely manor, about rejections. I tend to agree. > > Having said all that, I meant to tell someone yesterday that I won't be > able > to do some work for them because I don't have the time. Oppps! > > Adrian > > -Original Message- > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 20 January 2006 00:02 > To: CF-Jobs-Talk > Subject: Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents > > > > A quick question for any recruitment agents on this > > list(or anyone else who > > knows). > > > Twice in the passed year I've started a dialog with a > > recruitment agent, > > only for them to go quite and not tell me that I didn't > > get an interview. > > How hard would it be for them to have sent a quick email > > saying, "they > > weren't interested"? > > > I understand that this might lead to another email asking > > why etc, but I'd > > rather THAT second email was ignored and I knew I didn't > > get an interview so > > you can move on and make other plans. > > > Surely it's just common courtesy, or am I missing > > something? > > > Adrian > > It's become unfortunately common for companies to not send rejection > letters, emails, etc... just what I've experienced and heard from others, > so > you're not alone in thinking it's discourteous. > > > s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 > new epoch : isn't it time for a change? > > add features without fixtures with > the onTap open source framework > > http://www.fusiontap.com > http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2845 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: A Question For Recruitment Agents
Companies I can understand. But agents? If they can take my email address and send automated emails for other potential jobs, why can't they do the same with rejections? In my eyes it doesn't do their already tarnished reputations any good. I read a piece in the BCS (British Computer Society) magazine, saying there should be a code of conduct for agents, one that includes letting candidates know, in a timely manor, about rejections. I tend to agree. Having said all that, I meant to tell someone yesterday that I won't be able to do some work for them because I don't have the time. Oppps! Adrian -Original Message- From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 January 2006 00:02 To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents > A quick question for any recruitment agents on this > list(or anyone else who > knows). > Twice in the passed year I've started a dialog with a > recruitment agent, > only for them to go quite and not tell me that I didn't > get an interview. > How hard would it be for them to have sent a quick email > saying, "they > weren't interested"? > I understand that this might lead to another email asking > why etc, but I'd > rather THAT second email was ignored and I knew I didn't > get an interview so > you can move on and make other plans. > Surely it's just common courtesy, or am I missing > something? > Adrian It's become unfortunately common for companies to not send rejection letters, emails, etc... just what I've experienced and heard from others, so you're not alone in thinking it's discourteous. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2844 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: A Question For Recruitment Agents
> A quick question for any recruitment agents on this > list(or anyone else who > knows). > Twice in the passed year I've started a dialog with a > recruitment agent, > only for them to go quite and not tell me that I didn't > get an interview. > How hard would it be for them to have sent a quick email > saying, "they > weren't interested"? > I understand that this might lead to another email asking > why etc, but I'd > rather THAT second email was ignored and I knew I didn't > get an interview so > you can move on and make other plans. > Surely it's just common courtesy, or am I missing > something? > Adrian It's become unfortunately common for companies to not send rejection letters, emails, etc... just what I've experienced and heard from others, so you're not alone in thinking it's discourteous. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2843 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
A Question For Recruitment Agents
A quick question for any recruitment agents on this list(or anyone else who knows). Twice in the passed year I've started a dialog with a recruitment agent, only for them to go quite and not tell me that I didn't get an interview. How hard would it be for them to have sent a quick email saying, "they weren't interested"? I understand that this might lead to another email asking why etc, but I'd rather THAT second email was ignored and I knew I didn't get an interview so you can move on and make other plans. Surely it's just common courtesy, or am I missing something? Adrian ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2842 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: 2006 Turn Around?
I don't think people are less ecstatic about it. I think it's matured. It's less a field of College kids with no life outside the workplace and dot coms, with free flowing jolt and skittles. And like Damien said, some of us have no families and lives outside work, which imo is healthy. I'd rather work for a company that wants workers to have a life than one that doesn't As to 06 looking good. yeah mine is starting to shape up nicely. J On 1/19/06, Damien McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > IT no longer seems to be a field where people are ecstatic > > about it and want to live and breath IT 24/7. > > Some people have a spouse and child(ren) waiting for them when they get > home, but sneak in as much geeking as they can anyway :-) > > -- > Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 > #include > -- John Wilker Writer/Web Consultant www.johnwilker.com / www.red-omega.com "The measure of success is not whether you have a tough problem to deal with, but whether it's the same problem you had last year." ~John Foster Dulles, Former US Sec. of State. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2841 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: 2006 Turn Around?
> -Original Message- > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > IT no longer seems to be a field where people are ecstatic > about it and want to live and breath IT 24/7. Some people have a spouse and child(ren) waiting for them when they get home, but sneak in as much geeking as they can anyway :-) -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2840 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
