Re: Consultant's Revenge
J W wrote: We can complain when we are burned, or have the attitude that you need to learn your lesson and move on. The 6 million dollar question is. How do we make it right? I would argue that the lessons to be learned have to do with: 1) How you make the decision to work with someone (or not) - make sure you are dealing with someone you trust. 2) What legal mechanisms are in place to help enforce any agreements you make - in case your trust was misplaced 3) How well (and when) you recognize and take action when something's going the wrong direction - to keep you from getting too deep before you cut the cord. Most bad situations are a result of not doing one of the three above correctly. -Cameron ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3602 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
RE: Consultant's Revenge
Because this thread pops up every time someone gets burned. It's usually just riddled with responses of let it go You will be liable, etc.. Apparently everyone is tired of saying it heh. I'm with them... by all means go ahead and put this idea into production so we all have an example of why it is such a horrible idea. We would just be able to say Don't you remember what happened to Joseph when he tried ConsultantsRevenge.com? ;-) Seriously... learn from the experience with whoever burned you today, maybe share your experience with some close friends and family in PRIVATE just to get it off your chest.. and move on. ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:50 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: Consultant's Revenge After dealing with a few too many disreputable companies, I'm just about ready to build a new site that is sort of a cross between f*ckedcompany.comand ChexSystems. Why do I recall seeing this thread some time back? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3598 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
RE: Consultant's Revenge
Complacency? Not hardly, I'm just not willing to jump on one sided complaining and say Yeah... you go get em! I also don't care to hear the other side of the argument publicly because it just turns into back-and-forth bickering and makes both sides look stupid to people who weren't involved and don't care to be. I don't want your dirty laundry and I don't see any good coming from putting one's self in such a liable position by creating a forum to bash companies (or praise them really) in an attempt to persuade or dissuade others into doing or not doing business with the company/person. A) Disgruntled people would of course use such a system to bash the company/person even when they are at fault... B) the competition will of course like to see the company look bad and use such a system to do so... C) the company itself could use it to make themselves look better... [rest of the alphabet here] But again... go ahead and put it into production so we all have a good example as to why its such a horrible idea. ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3605 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Consultant's Revenge
Don't get me mixed up with the original poster. I never said I wanted a website like that. What I did say is there has to be ACCOUNTABILITY for BOTH sides. We need to find a solution for THAT. Jeff On Feb 1, 2008 12:33 PM, Bobby Hartsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Complacency? Not hardly, I'm just not willing to jump on one sided complaining and say Yeah... you go get em! I also don't care to hear the other side of the argument publicly because it just turns into back-and-forth bickering and makes both sides look stupid to people who weren't involved and don't care to be. I don't want your dirty laundry and I don't see any good coming from putting one's self in such a liable position by creating a forum to bash companies (or praise them really) in an attempt to persuade or dissuade others into doing or not doing business with the company/person. A) Disgruntled people would of course use such a system to bash the company/person even when they are at fault... B) the competition will of course like to see the company look bad and use such a system to do so... C) the company itself could use it to make themselves look better... [rest of the alphabet here] But again... go ahead and put it into production so we all have a good example as to why its such a horrible idea. ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3607 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Consultant's Revenge
J W wrote: Counterpoint #2: Unless you have money for a lawyer and run through small claims, your more than likely SOL. We need more protection that just trying to hire a lawyer. How much $$$ do you have to shell out for lawyers to MAKE a uplholdable contract/agreement. Remember its still you job to collect even if the judge awards you money. Good luck with that. How many consultants have the expendable income to collect like this. At DotComIt, we've never had a collection case go to court. Often a letter on the lawyer's letterhead is enough to get payment flowing. Of course the lawyer takes a cut of the collection (usually ~15%), but it's better than not getting paid at all. 4 weeks (160 hours) at $50 an hour = amount too large for small claims. I would hope that you're billing cycle is not longer than a month. As to how much DotComIt has spent creating legal contracts; quite a bit. In the beginning a lot of this was reactionary. okay, we had X problem with the client; how do I cover myself in that situation. These days we never work without being under contract, nor without an advance. And we have procedures in place to stop work if payment becomes late. -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur, Software Developer, Author, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3609 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Consultant's Revenge
On Feb 1, 2008 6:35 AM, Bobby Hartsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously... learn from the experience with whoever burned you today, maybe share your experience with some close friends and family in PRIVATE just to get it off your chest.. and move on. That's easy to say. But I had a very nasty experience with a firm that frequently posts on the jobs list, and I have to sit on my hands each time they do to keep myself from posting a warning to any poor soul that might fall into their clutches. I feel like I have an ethical duty to my fellow consultants to at least post a sign that says here be monsters. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3610 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: Consultant's Revenge
Create a filter to automatically delete posts from such a firm. At least then you won't have to deal with that stress. Maureen wrote: On Feb 1, 2008 6:35 AM, Bobby Hartsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously... learn from the experience with whoever burned you today, maybe share your experience with some close friends and family in PRIVATE just to get it off your chest.. and move on. That's easy to say. But I had a very nasty experience with a firm that frequently posts on the jobs list, and I have to sit on my hands each time they do to keep myself from posting a warning to any poor soul that might fall into their clutches. I feel like I have an ethical duty to my fellow consultants to at least post a sign that says here be monsters. -- Jeffry Houser, Technical Entrepreneur, Software Developer, Author, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3611 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
