Michael,
You make a great point and your grasp of the reality of the current
landscape is commendable. I am actually looking for Jr-Mid-Level CFMX
programmers for this exact reason. Those with less "time in the market"
typically are less procedural and more likely to have an OO state of
mind. Also, our company is looking to move to .NET in the future and
having someone who 1) knows CFMX from a CFC/OO standpoint will be more
likely to understand the architectural challenges of the OO world 2)
they are more likely to have a CS degree 3) They haven't developed a
view of "the way things should be". Long timers have their way and any
other approach is met with hesitation and disdain. Also, "greener"
programmers are more likely to have developed in Agile project
management style organizations. If they haven't they are less likely to
rebuff this approach.
I want to preface all my comments with the fact that this is my view and
not the entire IT fields perspective.
Thanks,
Michael MacDonald
Sr VP, Product Development / NEOGOV
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-Original Message-
From: Michael Perlstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:15 PM
To: cf-jobs-talk
Subject: RE: CF Job Market
I don't think it's all about salary. Most people from my experience who
have been using CF for longer periods of time, 10+ years, don't use CF
in a way that truly leverages the oop attributes of the language. In
fact more times then not the longer someone has been using CF the higher
the chances they use it in a procedural capacity. This is especially
true if CF has been for the most part the only language they feel
comfortable with. But even in circumstances where they know Java or
..Net when one sits down to do CF if they are veteran of the language
they revert to the procedural form.
Jr. to Mid level developers can often times imply that they have only
been exposed to the J2EE platform versions of CF, especially if they
have a comp sci degree where they are taught Java and C++. They program
oop if for no other reason then they don't know how to do it any other
way. So not only do you get the cheaper salary but you get someone with
all the benefits of a true oop background..
Regards,
Michael Perlstein
VP Program Management
Rockville, MD
301.468.9246 x154
301.468.9670 (f)
703-869-6086 (m)
www.AboutWeb.com
-Original Message-
From:Dave Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "cf-jobs-talk" ;
Sent: Nov 6, 2008 02:03:59 PM
Subject: CF Job Market
Hi all,
My job will be ending sometime next year due to a merger. I'm a Senior
level CF Developer with 10+ years experience. I am wondering what the
job
market is looking like out there for us senior type CF developers with
the
economy the way it is here in the US.
What I'm concerned about most that I see is more job descriptions asking
for
mid-level and junior developers, and lower salaries for those as well.
I'm
wondering if I might have trouble finding a job when the time comes
because
my salary demands would be too high and/or the employer would rather pay
someone a lower salary for less experience, thinking they are getting
the
same efficiency.
Please share whatever your thoughts are on this topic. I think this
thread
will be useful for anyone visiting it in the next 12-18 months, so let's
really try to provide some good 'intel', if you will on the 'near
future' CF
market.
Thanks!
Dave Phillips
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