Re: [CF-metadata] You will get email from the CF Trac system.

2012-06-25 Thread andrew walsh

Hi List,

Sorry for the my email adding to the flood.
I am getting 2 copies as well.

Andrew Walsh

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Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] You will get email from the CF Trac system.



yes, i typically get 3 copies. it would be nice not to.


On 6/25/2012 4:29 PM, Seth McGinnis wrote:
I do want to see Trac messages, but since this update happened I'm getting 
two

or three copies of each one.  Is anyone else having this problem?

What do I need to do to get only one copy?

Thanks,

--Seth

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:44:40 -0700
  "Jeffrey F. Painter"  wrote:

CF metadata issues get discussed both in this mailing list and in the CF
Metadata Trac system at https://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/trac/.  Some time in the
past, everyone on the cf-metadata list also got copies of the discussions in
the Trac system.  But the Trac system's mailing list hadn't been updated for
some years.  So today I updated it.  Everyone on this mailing list will get
messages from the CF Metadata Trac system.  There are rather few such
messages, so you may not notice the difference.

If you really don't want to see the Trac messages, but you want to stay on 
the

regular cf-metadata mailing list, you can opt out of only the Trac messages.
There is a special mailing list which acts as an intermediary between the
Trac system and cf-metad...@ugd.ucar.edu.  You can just unsubscribe to the
special mailing list as follows:  Send mail to majord...@lists.llnl.gov, 
from

the address at which you receive the mail.   The body of your message should
be the line "unsubscribe cf-metadata".  This will unsubscribe you only from
the special intermediary list, not the regular CF Metadata mailing list at
ucar.edu.

Thanks to Jonathan Gregory for suggesting that I address this issue.

- Jeff Painter

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Re: [CF-metadata] You will get email from the CF Trac system.

2012-06-25 Thread John Caron

yes, i typically get 3 copies. it would be nice not to.


On 6/25/2012 4:29 PM, Seth McGinnis wrote:

I do want to see Trac messages, but since this update happened I'm getting two
or three copies of each one.  Is anyone else having this problem?

What do I need to do to get only one copy?

Thanks,

--Seth

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:44:40 -0700
  "Jeffrey F. Painter"  wrote:

CF metadata issues get discussed both in this mailing list and in the CF
Metadata Trac system at https://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/trac/.  Some time in the
past, everyone on the cf-metadata list also got copies of the discussions in
the Trac system.  But the Trac system's mailing list hadn't been updated for
some years.  So today I updated it.  Everyone on this mailing list will get
messages from the CF Metadata Trac system.  There are rather few such
messages, so you may not notice the difference.

If you really don't want to see the Trac messages, but you want to stay on the
regular cf-metadata mailing list, you can opt out of only the Trac messages.
There is a special mailing list which acts as an intermediary between the
Trac system and cf-metad...@ugd.ucar.edu.  You can just unsubscribe to the
special mailing list as follows:  Send mail to majord...@lists.llnl.gov, from
the address at which you receive the mail.   The body of your message should
be the line "unsubscribe cf-metadata".  This will unsubscribe you only from
the special intermediary list, not the regular CF Metadata mailing list at
ucar.edu.

Thanks to Jonathan Gregory for suggesting that I address this issue.

- Jeff Painter

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Re: [CF-metadata] You will get email from the CF Trac system.

2012-06-25 Thread Seth McGinnis
I do want to see Trac messages, but since this update happened I'm getting two
or three copies of each one.  Is anyone else having this problem?

What do I need to do to get only one copy?

Thanks,

--Seth

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:44:40 -0700
 "Jeffrey F. Painter"  wrote:
>CF metadata issues get discussed both in this mailing list and in the CF
>Metadata Trac system at https://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/trac/.  Some time in the
>past, everyone on the cf-metadata list also got copies of the discussions in
>the Trac system.  But the Trac system's mailing list hadn't been updated for
>some years.  So today I updated it.  Everyone on this mailing list will get
>messages from the CF Metadata Trac system.  There are rather few such
>messages, so you may not notice the difference.
>
>If you really don't want to see the Trac messages, but you want to stay on the
>regular cf-metadata mailing list, you can opt out of only the Trac messages.
> There is a special mailing list which acts as an intermediary between the
>Trac system and cf-metad...@ugd.ucar.edu.  You can just unsubscribe to the
>special mailing list as follows:  Send mail to majord...@lists.llnl.gov, from
>the address at which you receive the mail.   The body of your message should
>be the line "unsubscribe cf-metadata".  This will unsubscribe you only from
>the special intermediary list, not the regular CF Metadata mailing list at
>ucar.edu.
>
>Thanks to Jonathan Gregory for suggesting that I address this issue.
>
>- Jeff Painter
>
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Re: [CF-metadata] [CF Metadata] #89: standard names for vector components

2012-06-25 Thread Hedley, Mark
I am cross posting with regard to ticket #89 
(https://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/trac/ticket/89)

This comment:
https://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/trac/ticket/89#comment:4
presents a choice, which I encourage interested parties to state their view on, 
either on the ticket or by e-mail to myself and Jonathan.

> Replying to jonathan:
> > Dear Mark
> > 
> > It could be argued that this relaxation does involve a change to the 
> > interpretation of existing data, because where archived data says "x" it 
> > might currently be assumed that this means it is definitely not "eastward". 
> > Once this change was made, you could not assume that any more. 
> 
> You are correct, this reinterpretation is a consequence of the proposal.  
> 
> > I think we may be trying to be too subtle with the interpretation. I would 
> > argue that this is a straightforward choice. Either we decide that in 
> > existing (and new) standard names "x" is allowed even when "x" happens to 
> > coincide with "east" (what you propose), or we decide that this is not 
> > allowed (in which case I can't see how to provide what you need except by 
> > using new standard names). 
> 
> I agree with the way you state the 'simple choice'.  I think that this ticket 
> indicates the implications of allowing 'x' when 'x' happens to be 'east'.  I 
> might describe it as 'just subtle enough' but that's just my perspective.
> 
> > I also fear that few people apart from you and me are listening to this 
> > conversation, since trac tickets aren't widely distributed, as we know. 
> > Therefore, although it's where you started, I suggest that you might try 
> > again on the email list, presenting the question as a simple Yes/No choice, 
> > and inviting subscribers to the list to reply "Yes" or "No"!
> 
> Hopefully Jeff's change will mean that this posting will also appear on the 
> mailing list.  Therefore I ask that people with an interest express their 
> 'yes' or 'no', either on this ticket, or via email to mark.hedley at 
> metoffice.gov.uk and j.m.gregory at reading.ac.uk to this proposal.
> 
> If the consensus is not to accept this interpretation then my next step will 
> be to request a large number of new standard names which extensively overlap 
> with the current standard names, which I feel causes many more issues than 
> the reinterpretation proposed here.
> 
> for example: 
> 
>   xward_wind: "x" indicates a vector component along the grid x-axis, where 
> this may or may not be true longitude, positive with increasing x. Wind is 
> defined as a two-dimensional (horizontal) air velocity vector, with no 
> vertical component. (Vertical motion in the atmosphere has the standard name 
> upward_air_velocity.)

many thanks
mark
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