Re: [CF-metadata] the use of two different unlimited dimensions in two data variables

2012-08-30 Thread Michael Decker
Hi Randy,

well, if you want to stick to the _classic_ data model, then I think you
will have to stick with a single unlimited dimension only. As I
understand the netcdf FAQ
(http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf/#fv18) you would have to
use the enhanced NetCDF-4 format to be able to include multiple
unlimited dimensions - and this will break compatibility with the
NetCDF-3 format.

I'm not really sure about implications regarding CF-conformity. There
are some paragraphs that refer to the unlimited dimension concerning
dimension order of variables for example. So multiple unlimited
dimensions might break this requirement...

Regards,
Michael

On 28.08.2012 22:59, Randy Horne wrote:
 For the GOES-R product files, the plan is to use the NetCDF4 file format and 
 the classic data model.
 
 Is it CF compliant if a NetCDF dataset/file uses two different unlimited 
 dimensions in two data variables ?
 
 very respectfully,
 
 randy 
 
  
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Re: [CF-metadata] the use of two different unlimited dimensions in two data variables

2012-08-30 Thread Jim Biard
Hi.

If each variable uses only one of the unlimited dimensions, then I think you 
are CF compliant.

Grace and peace,

Jim

Jim Biard
Research Scholar
Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites
Remote Sensing and Applications Division
National Climatic Data Center
151 Patton Ave, Asheville, NC 28801-5001

jim.bi...@noaa.gov
828-271-4900

On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:43 AM, Michael Decker m.dec...@fz-juelich.de wrote:

 Hi Randy,
 
 well, if you want to stick to the _classic_ data model, then I think you
 will have to stick with a single unlimited dimension only. As I
 understand the netcdf FAQ
 (http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf/#fv18) you would have to
 use the enhanced NetCDF-4 format to be able to include multiple
 unlimited dimensions - and this will break compatibility with the
 NetCDF-3 format.
 
 I'm not really sure about implications regarding CF-conformity. There
 are some paragraphs that refer to the unlimited dimension concerning
 dimension order of variables for example. So multiple unlimited
 dimensions might break this requirement...
 
 Regards,
 Michael
 
 On 28.08.2012 22:59, Randy Horne wrote:
 For the GOES-R product files, the plan is to use the NetCDF4 file format and 
 the classic data model.
 
 Is it CF compliant if a NetCDF dataset/file uses two different unlimited 
 dimensions in two data variables ?
 
 very respectfully,
 
 randy 
 
 
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Re: [CF-metadata] the use of two different unlimited dimensions in two data variables

2012-08-30 Thread Michael Decker
I agree. I cannot find anything in CF that would be violated if you only
use one unlimited dimension per variable.

Michael

On 30.08.2012 15:44, Jim Biard wrote:
 Hi.
 
 If each variable uses only one of the unlimited dimensions, then I think
 you are CF compliant.
 
 Grace and peace,
 
 Jim
 
 Jim Biard
 Research Scholar
 Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites
 Remote Sensing and Applications Division
 National Climatic Data Center
 151 Patton Ave, Asheville, NC 28801-5001
 
 jim.bi...@noaa.gov mailto:jim.bi...@noaa.gov
 828-271-4900
 
 On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:43 AM, Michael Decker m.dec...@fz-juelich.de
 mailto:m.dec...@fz-juelich.de wrote:
 
 Hi Randy,

 well, if you want to stick to the _classic_ data model, then I think you
 will have to stick with a single unlimited dimension only. As I
 understand the netcdf FAQ
 (http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf/#fv18) you would have to
 use the enhanced NetCDF-4 format to be able to include multiple
 unlimited dimensions - and this will break compatibility with the
 NetCDF-3 format.

 I'm not really sure about implications regarding CF-conformity. There
 are some paragraphs that refer to the unlimited dimension concerning
 dimension order of variables for example. So multiple unlimited
 dimensions might break this requirement...

 Regards,
 Michael

 On 28.08.2012 22:59, Randy Horne wrote:
 For the GOES-R product files, the plan is to use the NetCDF4 file
 format and the classic data model.

 Is it CF compliant if a NetCDF dataset/file uses two different
 unlimited dimensions in two data variables ?

 very respectfully,

 randy


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Re: [CF-metadata] the use of two different unlimited dimensions in two data variables

2012-08-30 Thread Randy Horne
Thanks for the input.

My thinking is that despite the fact that it is not supported by the classic 
data model (according to the NetCDF users guide), it is hard to understand why 
there would be an issue from a CF standpoint to take advantage of a netCDF4 
file format capability.  One could argue that the constraint is really 
associated with the NetCDF3 file format rather than the classic data model.

very respectfully,

randy


On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Michael Decker wrote:

 I agree. I cannot find anything in CF that would be violated if you only
 use one unlimited dimension per variable.
 
 Michael
 
 On 30.08.2012 15:44, Jim Biard wrote:
 Hi.
 
 If each variable uses only one of the unlimited dimensions, then I think
 you are CF compliant.
 
 Grace and peace,
 
 Jim
 
 Jim Biard
 Research Scholar
 Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites
 Remote Sensing and Applications Division
 National Climatic Data Center
 151 Patton Ave, Asheville, NC 28801-5001
 
 jim.bi...@noaa.gov mailto:jim.bi...@noaa.gov
 828-271-4900
 
 On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:43 AM, Michael Decker m.dec...@fz-juelich.de
 mailto:m.dec...@fz-juelich.de wrote:
 
 Hi Randy,
 
 well, if you want to stick to the _classic_ data model, then I think you
 will have to stick with a single unlimited dimension only. As I
 understand the netcdf FAQ
 (http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf/#fv18) you would have to
 use the enhanced NetCDF-4 format to be able to include multiple
 unlimited dimensions - and this will break compatibility with the
 NetCDF-3 format.
 
 I'm not really sure about implications regarding CF-conformity. There
 are some paragraphs that refer to the unlimited dimension concerning
 dimension order of variables for example. So multiple unlimited
 dimensions might break this requirement...
 
 Regards,
 Michael
 
 On 28.08.2012 22:59, Randy Horne wrote:
 For the GOES-R product files, the plan is to use the NetCDF4 file
 format and the classic data model.
 
 Is it CF compliant if a NetCDF dataset/file uses two different
 unlimited dimensions in two data variables ?
 
 very respectfully,
 
 randy
 
 
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Re: [CF-metadata] the use of two different unlimited dimensions in two data variables

2012-08-30 Thread Jim Biard
I'm not sure that CF requires you to have only one unlimited dimension per 
variable, but if you create a netCDF-4 file with the classic option enabled, 
the API may not allow you to do so.

Jim Biard
Research Scholar
Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites
Remote Sensing and Applications Division
National Climatic Data Center
151 Patton Ave, Asheville, NC 28801-5001

jim.bi...@noaa.gov
828-271-4900

On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Randy Horne rho...@excaliburlabs.com wrote:

 Thanks for the input.
 
 My thinking is that despite the fact that it is not supported by the classic 
 data model (according to the NetCDF users guide), it is hard to understand 
 why there would be an issue from a CF standpoint to take advantage of a 
 netCDF4 file format capability.  One could argue that the constraint is 
 really associated with the NetCDF3 file format rather than the classic data 
 model.
 
 very respectfully,
 
 randy
 
 
 On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Michael Decker wrote:
 
 I agree. I cannot find anything in CF that would be violated if you only
 use one unlimited dimension per variable.
 
 Michael
 
 On 30.08.2012 15:44, Jim Biard wrote:
 Hi.
 
 If each variable uses only one of the unlimited dimensions, then I think
 you are CF compliant.
 
 Grace and peace,
 
 Jim
 
 Jim Biard
 Research Scholar
 Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites
 Remote Sensing and Applications Division
 National Climatic Data Center
 151 Patton Ave, Asheville, NC 28801-5001
 
 jim.bi...@noaa.gov mailto:jim.bi...@noaa.gov
 828-271-4900
 
 On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:43 AM, Michael Decker m.dec...@fz-juelich.de
 mailto:m.dec...@fz-juelich.de wrote:
 
 Hi Randy,
 
 well, if you want to stick to the _classic_ data model, then I think you
 will have to stick with a single unlimited dimension only. As I
 understand the netcdf FAQ
 (http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/netcdf/#fv18) you would have to
 use the enhanced NetCDF-4 format to be able to include multiple
 unlimited dimensions - and this will break compatibility with the
 NetCDF-3 format.
 
 I'm not really sure about implications regarding CF-conformity. There
 are some paragraphs that refer to the unlimited dimension concerning
 dimension order of variables for example. So multiple unlimited
 dimensions might break this requirement...
 
 Regards,
 Michael
 
 On 28.08.2012 22:59, Randy Horne wrote:
 For the GOES-R product files, the plan is to use the NetCDF4 file
 format and the classic data model.
 
 Is it CF compliant if a NetCDF dataset/file uses two different
 unlimited dimensions in two data variables ?
 
 very respectfully,
 
 randy
 
 
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Re: [CF-metadata] example of sea_surface_wave_directional_variance_spectral_density

2012-08-30 Thread Hattersley, Richard
Hi Roy,

There are some fairly explicit statements in chapter 9 that mean
treating 'z' as frequency would break the convention.

From 9.1:
profile = an ordered set of data points along a vertical line
...

The spatial coordinate z refers to vertical position.

And it's not clear that you could add an additional dimension for the
frequency. (That said, it's also not completely clear that you
shouldn't.)

Looks like CF would benefit from your BODC feature types.

Regards,

Richard Hattersley  AVD  Iris Technical Lead
Met Office  FitzRoy Road  Exeter  Devon  EX1 3PB  United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0)1392 885702  Fax: +44 (0)1392 885681
Email: richard.hatters...@metoffice.gov.uk  Website:
www.metoffice.gov.uk
 

 -Original Message-
 From: CF-metadata [mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] 
 On Behalf Of Lowry, Roy K.
 Sent: 29 August 2012 16:26
 To: Ellyn Montgomery
 Cc: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
 Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] example of 
 sea_surface_wave_directional_variance_spectral_density
 
 Hi again,
 
 Within BODC, we address your concerns by having a much richer 
 set of feature types that include concepts like 
 timeSeriesSpectrum to indicate that the z-axis is non-spatial 
 and so give display clients a bit more help.  However, I 
 think that with the right parameter attribute semantic 
 information and the CF feature types we should be OK in SeaDataNet.
 
 My thinking so far has been confined to non-directional 
 spectra.  I can't see how directional spectra could be 
 handled in CF without specification of an additional feature 
 type, but (not for the first time) I might be 
 misunderstanding something in John's view of feature types.
 
 Cheers, Roy. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ellyn Montgomery [mailto:emontgom...@usgs.gov] 
 Sent: 29 August 2012 15:47
 To: Lowry, Roy K.
 Cc: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
 Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] example of 
 sea_surface_wave_directional_variance_spectral_density
 
 Roy-
 I'm glad that it's on your plate!
 
 Conceptually, I am a bit uncomfortable with having frequency 
 as Z since 
 many of us think of Z as depth/altitude.  Having frequency as 
 Z fits the 
 shapes allowed, but I wonder what confusion it would start.  
 Are there 
 ways for clients to identify Z as a non-depth content?  Is it 
 as simple 
 as calling the Z coordinate frequency instead of depth, and then 
 clients would be able to know what to do?
 
 Then of course the direction component would need to be 
 wedged into the 
 coordinate system somehow.  Such fun!
 
 Looking forward to the discussion!
 Ellyn
 
 
 On 08/29/2012 09:54 AM, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
  Hi Ellyn,
 
  Encoding wave spectra in a CF-compliant manner is an issue 
 that I plan to address on behalf of SeaDataNet in the next 
 month or so.  The point I'd reached in thinking this through 
 was to use the timeSeriesProfile feature type with frequency 
 as the z co-ordinate.  I think this OK, but if not I'm sure 
 somebody on this list will shout.
 
  I prefer single-value vectors rather to scalars because it 
 opens the way to packaging multiple instances into a single 
 NetCDF file.
 
  Cheers, Roy.
 
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  From: CF-metadata [mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] 
 On Behalf Of Ellyn Montgomery
  Sent: 28 August 2012 15:04
  To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
  Subject: [CF-metadata] example of 
 sea_surface_wave_directional_variance_spectral_density
 
  Hello folks-
 
  We want our wave data observations to be CF compliant, with the
  dimensions and representation of time correct.  I believe 
 the data we
  collect fits somewhere under Discrete Samples, since we end 
 up with a
  time series of wave spectra from our stationary, 
 bottom-mounted acoustic
  instruments.  I couldn't find how the file might look in the 1.6
  conventions document or appendices, so could someone please 
 direct me to
  an example dataset that includes some wave spectra?  Help with which
  featureType should be used would also be appreciated.
 
  The Standard Name table says the dimension order should be
  S(t,x,y,f,theta).  Since our data is from a point 
 observation (lat and
  lon are size (1)), can the X,Y dimensions be dropped, or 
 are they needed
  as place-holders?
 
  Thanks very much for the help!
  Ellyn
 
 
 
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Re: [CF-metadata] example of sea_surface_wave_directional_variance_spectral_density

2012-08-30 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Hi Richard,

I had a feeling it might.  The reason I've got frequency and profile depth 
linked together in my mind is because of the structural similarity between 
plots of moored ADCP data and 1D wave spectra (just a change of axis label).

Cheers, Roy.

-Original Message-
From: Hattersley, Richard [mailto:richard.hatters...@metoffice.gov.uk] 
Sent: 30 August 2012 16:52
To: Lowry, Roy K.; Ellyn Montgomery
Cc: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
Subject: RE: [CF-metadata] example of 
sea_surface_wave_directional_variance_spectral_density

Hi Roy,

There are some fairly explicit statements in chapter 9 that mean
treating 'z' as frequency would break the convention.

From 9.1:
profile = an ordered set of data points along a vertical line
...

The spatial coordinate z refers to vertical position.

And it's not clear that you could add an additional dimension for the
frequency. (That said, it's also not completely clear that you
shouldn't.)

Looks like CF would benefit from your BODC feature types.

Regards,

Richard Hattersley  AVD  Iris Technical Lead
Met Office  FitzRoy Road  Exeter  Devon  EX1 3PB  United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0)1392 885702  Fax: +44 (0)1392 885681
Email: richard.hatters...@metoffice.gov.uk  Website:
www.metoffice.gov.uk
 

 -Original Message-
 From: CF-metadata [mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] 
 On Behalf Of Lowry, Roy K.
 Sent: 29 August 2012 16:26
 To: Ellyn Montgomery
 Cc: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
 Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] example of 
 sea_surface_wave_directional_variance_spectral_density
 
 Hi again,
 
 Within BODC, we address your concerns by having a much richer 
 set of feature types that include concepts like 
 timeSeriesSpectrum to indicate that the z-axis is non-spatial 
 and so give display clients a bit more help.  However, I 
 think that with the right parameter attribute semantic 
 information and the CF feature types we should be OK in SeaDataNet.
 
 My thinking so far has been confined to non-directional 
 spectra.  I can't see how directional spectra could be 
 handled in CF without specification of an additional feature 
 type, but (not for the first time) I might be 
 misunderstanding something in John's view of feature types.
 
 Cheers, Roy. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ellyn Montgomery [mailto:emontgom...@usgs.gov] 
 Sent: 29 August 2012 15:47
 To: Lowry, Roy K.
 Cc: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
 Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] example of 
 sea_surface_wave_directional_variance_spectral_density
 
 Roy-
 I'm glad that it's on your plate!
 
 Conceptually, I am a bit uncomfortable with having frequency 
 as Z since 
 many of us think of Z as depth/altitude.  Having frequency as 
 Z fits the 
 shapes allowed, but I wonder what confusion it would start.  
 Are there 
 ways for clients to identify Z as a non-depth content?  Is it 
 as simple 
 as calling the Z coordinate frequency instead of depth, and then 
 clients would be able to know what to do?
 
 Then of course the direction component would need to be 
 wedged into the 
 coordinate system somehow.  Such fun!
 
 Looking forward to the discussion!
 Ellyn
 
 
 On 08/29/2012 09:54 AM, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
  Hi Ellyn,
 
  Encoding wave spectra in a CF-compliant manner is an issue 
 that I plan to address on behalf of SeaDataNet in the next 
 month or so.  The point I'd reached in thinking this through 
 was to use the timeSeriesProfile feature type with frequency 
 as the z co-ordinate.  I think this OK, but if not I'm sure 
 somebody on this list will shout.
 
  I prefer single-value vectors rather to scalars because it 
 opens the way to packaging multiple instances into a single 
 NetCDF file.
 
  Cheers, Roy.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: CF-metadata [mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] 
 On Behalf Of Ellyn Montgomery
  Sent: 28 August 2012 15:04
  To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
  Subject: [CF-metadata] example of 
 sea_surface_wave_directional_variance_spectral_density
 
  Hello folks-
 
  We want our wave data observations to be CF compliant, with the
  dimensions and representation of time correct.  I believe 
 the data we
  collect fits somewhere under Discrete Samples, since we end 
 up with a
  time series of wave spectra from our stationary, 
 bottom-mounted acoustic
  instruments.  I couldn't find how the file might look in the 1.6
  conventions document or appendices, so could someone please 
 direct me to
  an example dataset that includes some wave spectra?  Help with which
  featureType should be used would also be appreciated.
 
  The Standard Name table says the dimension order should be
  S(t,x,y,f,theta).  Since our data is from a point 
 observation (lat and
  lon are size (1)), can the X,Y dimensions be dropped, or 
 are they needed
  as place-holders?
 
  Thanks very much for the help!
  Ellyn
 
 
 
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 Ellyn T. Montgomery, Oceanographer and Data Manager
 U.S. Geological Survey
 Woods Hole Coastal and Marine Science Center
 384 Woods Hole Road, Woods