Re: [CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration
Hi all, Thanks, that's fine. That is to say that · number_content_of_icebergs (m-2) becomes number_of_icebergs_per_unit_area Is that right? About the other suggestions, we try to make things so that each entry is a combination of existing CF concepts, except the idea of 'non algal particles' that is now introduced. · mass_concentration_of_inorganic_particles_in_sea_water (kg m-3) · volume_absorption_coefficient_of_radiative_flux_in_sea_water_due_to_dissolved_organic_matter_and_non_algal_particles (m-1) · volume_absorption_coefficient_of_radiative_flux_in_sea_water_due_to_phytoplankton (m-1) · volume_backwards_scattering_coefficient_of_radiative_flux_in_sea_water_due_to_particles (m-1) Comments are welcome, Cheers, Olivier. -Message d'origine- De : Lowry, Roy K. [mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk] Envoyé : jeudi 2 décembre 2010 17:53 À : Jonathan Gregory Cc : Lauret Olivier; Laurence Crosnier; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu; Cristina Tronconi; Bruce Hackett; o.go...@met.no; Thomas LOUBRIEU; Lia Santoleri; Philippe Garnesson Objet : RE: [CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration My preference is also for natural English, so am happy with Jonathan's suggestion. I was just pointing out, rather than supporting, the consistency issue. Cheers, Roy. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Gregory [mailto:jonat...@met.reading.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jonathan Gregory Sent: 02 December 2010 15:37 To: Lowry, Roy K. Cc: Lauret Olivier; Laurence Crosnier; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu; Cristina Tronconi; Bruce Hackett; o.go...@met.no; Thomas LOUBRIEU; Lia Santoleri; Philippe Garnesson Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration I had the same gut reaction as you and almost came up with the same response until I read the definition Content indicates a quantity per unit area on 369 Standard Names. So, perhaps Olivier is being consistent and tha handful of 'per_unit_area Standard Names are not. I think Olivier is being consistent, but we have synonymous phrases, and in this case I feel that such freedom is useful! We can't make standard names completely systematic, because they also have to be reasonably natural English, I would say. Jonathan -- This message (and any attachments) is for the recipient only NERC is subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and the contents of this email and any reply you make may be disclosed by NERC unless it is exempt from release under the Act. Any material supplied to NERC may be stored in an electronic records management system. Cliquez sur l'url suivante https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MKv+gOOmXGbTndxI!oX7Uue5l2axqqYZUZhEldDcvwCf31V7Uzv75MWuSjXXmfGj8hzVgSrfxsPC8dmstCo9uQ== si ce message est indésirable (pourriel). ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
Re: [CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration
Yes, that's my understanding. Cheers, Roy. From: Lauret Olivier [mailto:olau...@cls.fr] Sent: 03 December 2010 10:22 To: Lowry, Roy K.; Jonathan Gregory Cc: Laurence Crosnier; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu; Cristina Tronconi; Bruce Hackett; o.go...@met.no; Thomas LOUBRIEU; Lia Santoleri; Philippe Garnesson; frederic.me...@jrc.it Subject: RE: [CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration Hi all, Thanks, that's fine. That is to say that · number_content_of_icebergs (m-2) becomes number_of_icebergs_per_unit_area Is that right? About the other suggestions, we try to make things so that each entry is a combination of existing CF concepts, except the idea of 'non algal particles' that is now introduced. · mass_concentration_of_inorganic_particles_in_sea_water (kg m-3) · volume_absorption_coefficient_of_radiative_flux_in_sea_water_due_to_dissolved_organic_matter_and_non_algal_particles (m-1) · volume_absorption_coefficient_of_radiative_flux_in_sea_water_due_to_phytoplankton (m-1) · volume_backwards_scattering_coefficient_of_radiative_flux_in_sea_water_due_to_particles (m-1) Comments are welcome, Cheers, Olivier. -Message d'origine- De : Lowry, Roy K. [mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk] Envoyé : jeudi 2 décembre 2010 17:53 À : Jonathan Gregory Cc : Lauret Olivier; Laurence Crosnier; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu; Cristina Tronconi; Bruce Hackett; o.go...@met.no; Thomas LOUBRIEU; Lia Santoleri; Philippe Garnesson Objet : RE: [CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration My preference is also for natural English, so am happy with Jonathan's suggestion. I was just pointing out, rather than supporting, the consistency issue. Cheers, Roy. -Original Message- From: Jonathan Gregory [mailto:jonat...@met.reading.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jonathan Gregory Sent: 02 December 2010 15:37 To: Lowry, Roy K. Cc: Lauret Olivier; Laurence Crosnier; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu; Cristina Tronconi; Bruce Hackett; o.go...@met.no; Thomas LOUBRIEU; Lia Santoleri; Philippe Garnesson Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration I had the same gut reaction as you and almost came up with the same response until I read the definition Content indicates a quantity per unit area on 369 Standard Names. So, perhaps Olivier is being consistent and tha handful of 'per_unit_area Standard Names are not. I think Olivier is being consistent, but we have synonymous phrases, and in this case I feel that such freedom is useful! We can't make standard names completely systematic, because they also have to be reasonably natural English, I would say. Jonathan -- This message (and any attachments) is for the recipient only NERC is subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and the contents of this email and any reply you make may be disclosed by NERC unless it is exempt from release under the Act. Any material supplied to NERC may be stored in an electronic records management system. Cliquez sur l'url suivante https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MKv+gOOmXGbTndxI!oX7Uue5l2axqqYZUZhEldDcvwCf31V7Uzv75MWuSjXXmfGj8hzVgSrfxsPC8dmstCo9uQ== si ce message est indésirable (pourriel). -- This message (and any attachments) is for the recipient only NERC is subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and the contents of this email and any reply you make may be disclosed by NERC unless it is exempt from release under the Act. Any material supplied to NERC may be stored in an electronic records management system.___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
[CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration
Dear all, MyOcean project needs your help again. We have identified a few variables which have no equivalent within CF classification. This is quite problematic for us, as ordering and downloading netCDF dataset is based on CF reference. Then we propose to extend CF standard name table with the following entries: · number_content_of_icebergs (m-2) · mass_concentration_of_inorganic_particles_in_sea_water (kg m-3) · volume_absorption_coefficient_of_radiative_flux_in_sea_water_due_to_dissolved_organic_matter_and_non_algal_particles (m-1) · volume_absorption_coefficient_of_radiative_flux_in_sea_water_due_to_phytoplankton (m-1) · volume_backwards_scattering_coefficient_of_radiative_flux_in_sea_water_due_to_particles (m-1) Thanks in advance for your contribution, Olivier. ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
[CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration
Dear Olivier number_content_of_icebergs (m-2) That is consistent with existing names and makes sense but it's a bit surprising, don't you think? Because icebergs are so large, it doesn't seem obvious to talk about the number content of them; that idea is more applicable to microscopic objects. It would feel more natural to me to name this number_of_icebergs_per_unit_area We already use the phrase per_unit_area in other names as well. Cheers Jonathan ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
Re: [CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration
Dear Roy and Jonathan, As I speak english like a spanish cow (it's a French expression..), I never imagined this issue :) I understand what you mean. Content means a quantity per unit area. I do not know how weird it can be to read something like 'content of icebergs', I prefer let you decide on this. Cheers Olivier. -Message d'origine- De : Lowry, Roy K. [mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk] Envoyé : jeudi 2 décembre 2010 14:53 À : Jonathan Gregory; Lauret Olivier Cc : Laurence Crosnier; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu; Cristina Tronconi; Bruce Hackett; o.go...@met.no; Thomas LOUBRIEU; Lia Santoleri; Philippe Garnesson Objet : RE: [CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration Hello Jonathan, I had the same gut reaction as you and almost came up with the same response until I read the definition Content indicates a quantity per unit area on 369 Standard Names. So, perhaps Olivier is being consistent and tha handful of 'per_unit_area Standard Names are not. Cheers, Roy. -Original Message- From: cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu [mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Gregory Sent: 02 December 2010 13:44 To: Lauret Olivier Cc: Laurence Crosnier; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu; Cristina Tronconi; Bruce Hackett; o.go...@met.no; Thomas LOUBRIEU; Lia Santoleri; Philippe Garnesson Subject: [CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration Dear Olivier number_content_of_icebergs (m-2) That is consistent with existing names and makes sense but it's a bit surprising, don't you think? Because icebergs are so large, it doesn't seem obvious to talk about the number content of them; that idea is more applicable to microscopic objects. It would feel more natural to me to name this number_of_icebergs_per_unit_area We already use the phrase per_unit_area in other names as well. Cheers Jonathan ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata -- This message (and any attachments) is for the recipient only NERC is subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and the contents of this email and any reply you make may be disclosed by NERC unless it is exempt from release under the Act. Any material supplied to NERC may be stored in an electronic records management system. Cliquez sur l'url suivante https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/cbWO0Lvnko3TndxI!oX7Uo9cpkuWnNqkKrR6OcVQ9eAGQmSwB5Id1MMGHQOqPOYG8hzVgSrfxsOzpFBU8KFm0g== si ce message est indésirable (pourriel). ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
Re: [CF-metadata] Standard name request for ocean colour and iceberg concentration
I had the same gut reaction as you and almost came up with the same response until I read the definition Content indicates a quantity per unit area on 369 Standard Names. So, perhaps Olivier is being consistent and tha handful of 'per_unit_area Standard Names are not. I think Olivier is being consistent, but we have synonymous phrases, and in this case I feel that such freedom is useful! We can't make standard names completely systematic, because they also have to be reasonably natural English, I would say. Jonathan ___ CF-metadata mailing list CF-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cf-metadata
