Re: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus and?Clostridium perfringens

2013-03-25 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Thanks Jonathan,

I was indeed responsible for introducing 'green dogs' to discussions in CF, but 
since then my experience has expanded further into biological data and, in 
particular, into the world of contaminants in biota through EMODNET and our 
work in BODC with the Sea Mammal Research Unit.  This has shown what you say 
about invalid combination possibilities for taxa being much less of an issue to 
be exactly right.  It has also shown me that protection against 'green dogs' 
can in some circumstances become an unaffordable luxury.

There are couple of points in your message where I would do things slightly 
differently.

First, I would prefer 'number_concentration_of_taxon_in_sea_water' to 
'number_concentration_of_biological_species_in_sea_water', because not all 
biological data are identified to the species level.  Often the counts are at 
the level of genus, class or even phylum.

Secondly, I think that CF setting up a controlled vocabulary for taxa is an 
unnecessary duplication that will cause us a lot of unnecessary work and take 
us out of our domain expertise comfort zone.  In the marine domain, there is an 
almost universally accepted taxonomic controlled vocabulary with lashings of 
accompanying metadata that is extremely well governed by internationally 
recognised experts in the field with high quality technical governance in the 
form of tools, including a web service API.  This is the World Register of 
Marine Species (WoRMS). I fully appreciate that CF covers more than the marine 
domain, but there is an alternative governance in the form of the International 
Taxonomic Information System (ITIS) , which is aimed more at terrestrial life 
than marine. If we say that names used in CF should be registered in at least 
one of these then we should be OK.

As you will see in a message that has just been released, I'm proposing taking 
this forward through a Trac ticket.

Cheers, Roy.




From: CF-metadata [cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan 
Gregory [j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk]
Sent: 25 March 2013 09:00
To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus 
and?Clostridium perfringens

Dear all

I agree with Philip that cfu should be spelled out. I was also going to make
the same point about Roy's proposal being different from our treatment of
chemical species, which are encoded in the standard name; this system seems to
be working. One reason for keeping this approach was the green dog problem.
That particular phrase is actually Roy's, if I remember correctly. That is, we
wish to prevent nonsensical constructions, by approving each name which makes
(chemical) sense individually.

However Roy argues that there is an order of magnitude more biological species
to deal with than chemical. I don't think that keeping the same approach
(encoding in the standard name) would break the system, but it would make the
standard name table very large. Perhaps more importantly, if there were so
many species, I expect that data-writers would simply assume that each of the
possible combinations of pattern and species did already exist in the standard
name table, without bothering to check or have them approved. That would defeat
the object of the system of individual approval.

We don't have to follow the chemical approach. For named geographical
regions and surface area types (vegetation types etc.) we use string-valued
coordinate variables, rather like Roy proposes here. To follow that approach
we would need a new table, subsidiary to the standard name table, containing
a list of controlled names of biological species. We would use the same
approval process to add names to this list as we do for the standard name
table. (This is what we do for geographical regions and area types.) We would
then have a standard_name such as
  number_concentration_of_biological_species_in_sea_water
whose definition would note that a data variable with this standard_name must
have a string-valued auxiliary coordinate variable of biological_species
containing a valid name from the biological species table. If there is just
one species, the auxiliary coordinate variable wouldn't need a dimension,
but this construction would also allow a single data variable to contain data
for several species, by having a dimension of size greater than one.

Cheers

Jonathan
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Re: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus and?Clostridium perfringens

2013-03-25 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Roy

I think it would be fine and preferable to use someone else's controlled
vocabulary so long as it has an appropriate format and content and/or we
can define rules for using it in CF.

Best wishes

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Re: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus and?Clostridium perfringens

2013-03-25 Thread Nan Galbraith

Hi all -

Species taxonomies are not like chemical vocabularies, in that terms for
organisms change over time. There are some big projects involved in
maintaining these taxonomies, and we probably don't want to commit
to launching a parallel effort.

The ubio project has a decent description of the problem, at
http://www.ubio.org/index.php?pagename=background_intro

So, it seems to me that if we're going to expand CF to accommodate
biological  data,  we should follow Roy's advice, and have a 'generic'
standard name that means 'organism count' and add at least one required
attribute pointing to a taxonomic name server (with a version date). The
'current' species name could be included in the long_name attribute.

Although it's a valid point that existing search tools don't know about
extra attributes, the effort of keeping up with the changes in terms could
render CF useless for this kind of data otherwise.

Regards - Nan


On 3/25/13 5:00 AM, Jonathan Gregory wrote:

Dear all

I agree with Philip that cfu should be spelled out. I was also going to make
the same point about Roy's proposal being different from our treatment of
chemical species, which are encoded in the standard name; this system seems to
be working. One reason for keeping this approach was the green dog problem.
That particular phrase is actually Roy's, if I remember correctly. That is, we
wish to prevent nonsensical constructions, by approving each name which makes
(chemical) sense individually.

However Roy argues that there is an order of magnitude more biological species
to deal with than chemical. I don't think that keeping the same approach
(encoding in the standard name) would break the system, but it would make the
standard name table very large. Perhaps more importantly, if there were so
many species, I expect that data-writers would simply assume that each of the
possible combinations of pattern and species did already exist in the standard
name table, without bothering to check or have them approved. That would defeat
the object of the system of individual approval.

We don't have to follow the chemical approach. For named geographical
regions and surface area types (vegetation types etc.) we use string-valued
coordinate variables, rather like Roy proposes here. To follow that approach
we would need a new table, subsidiary to the standard name table, containing
a list of controlled names of biological species. We would use the same
approval process to add names to this list as we do for the standard name
table. (This is what we do for geographical regions and area types.) We would
then have a standard_name such as
   number_concentration_of_biological_species_in_sea_water
whose definition would note that a data variable with this standard_name must
have a string-valued auxiliary coordinate variable of biological_species
containing a valid name from the biological species table. If there is just
one species, the auxiliary coordinate variable wouldn't need a dimension,
but this construction would also allow a single data variable to contain data
for several species, by having a dimension of size greater than one.

Cheers

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Re: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus and?Clostridium perfringens

2013-03-25 Thread Hassan Moustahfid - NOAA Federal
I will encourage you to check bio terms in Darwin Core
http://rs.tdwg.org/dwc/terms/index.htm.
and http://www.ioos.noaa.gov/dmac/biology/welcome.html.
Hassan
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Operations Division
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Tel: 301-427-2447
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Lowry, Roy K. r...@bodc.ac.uk wrote:

 Thanks Jonathan,

 I was indeed responsible for introducing 'green dogs' to discussions in
 CF, but since then my experience has expanded further into biological data
 and, in particular, into the world of contaminants in biota through EMODNET
 and our work in BODC with the Sea Mammal Research Unit.  This has shown
 what you say about invalid combination possibilities for taxa being much
 less of an issue to be exactly right.  It has also shown me that protection
 against 'green dogs' can in some circumstances become an unaffordable
 luxury.

 There are couple of points in your message where I would do things
 slightly differently.

 First, I would prefer 'number_concentration_of_taxon_in_sea_water' to
 'number_concentration_of_biological_species_in_sea_water', because not all
 biological data are identified to the species level.  Often the counts are
 at the level of genus, class or even phylum.

 Secondly, I think that CF setting up a controlled vocabulary for taxa is
 an unnecessary duplication that will cause us a lot of unnecessary work and
 take us out of our domain expertise comfort zone.  In the marine domain,
 there is an almost universally accepted taxonomic controlled vocabulary
 with lashings of accompanying metadata that is extremely well governed by
 internationally recognised experts in the field with high quality technical
 governance in the form of tools, including a web service API.  This is the
 World Register of Marine Species (WoRMS). I fully appreciate that CF covers
 more than the marine domain, but there is an alternative governance in the
 form of the International Taxonomic Information System (ITIS) , which is
 aimed more at terrestrial life than marine. If we say that names used in CF
 should be registered in at least one of these then we should be OK.

 As you will see in a message that has just been released, I'm proposing
 taking this forward through a Trac ticket.

 Cheers, Roy.



 
 From: CF-metadata [cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] On Behalf Of
 Jonathan Gregory [j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk]
 Sent: 25 March 2013 09:00
 To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
 Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus
 and?Clostridium perfringens

 Dear all

 I agree with Philip that cfu should be spelled out. I was also going to
 make
 the same point about Roy's proposal being different from our treatment of
 chemical species, which are encoded in the standard name; this system
 seems to
 be working. One reason for keeping this approach was the green dog
 problem.
 That particular phrase is actually Roy's, if I remember correctly. That
 is, we
 wish to prevent nonsensical constructions, by approving each name which
 makes
 (chemical) sense individually.

 However Roy argues that there is an order of magnitude more biological
 species
 to deal with than chemical. I don't think that keeping the same approach
 (encoding in the standard name) would break the system, but it would make
 the
 standard name table very large. Perhaps more importantly, if there were so
 many species, I expect that data-writers would simply assume that each of
 the
 possible combinations of pattern and species did already exist in the
 standard
 name table, without bothering to check or have them approved. That would
 defeat
 the object of the system of individual approval.

 We don't have to follow the chemical approach. For named geographical
 regions and surface area types (vegetation types etc.) we use string-valued
 coordinate variables, rather like Roy proposes here. To follow that
 approach
 we would need a new table, subsidiary to the standard name table,
 containing
 a list of controlled names of biological species. We would use the same
 approval process to add names to this list as we do for the standard name
 table. (This is what we do for geographical regions and area types.) We
 would
 then have a standard_name such as
   number_concentration_of_biological_species_in_sea_water
 whose definition would note that a data variable with this standard_name
 must
 have a string-valued auxiliary coordinate variable of biological_species
 containing a valid name from the biological species table. If there is just
 one species, the auxiliary coordinate variable wouldn't need a dimension,
 but this construction would also allow

Re: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus and?Clostridium perfringens

2013-03-25 Thread John Graybeal
+1 Nan, great summary

CF should prepare for the day when it needs to interoperate with multiple 
authorities, e.g., 2 different species vocabularies.  It will not be possible 
for one vocabulary to serve all the scientific needs.  We are on the right 
track here, let's see if we can solve the whole issue by ensuring that the 
species name reference either be a unique identifier, or be convertible, using 
automated means, to a unique identifier.

John



On Mar 25, 2013, at 11:18, Nan Galbraith ngalbra...@whoi.edu wrote:

 Hi all -
 
 Species taxonomies are not like chemical vocabularies, in that terms for
 organisms change over time. There are some big projects involved in
 maintaining these taxonomies, and we probably don't want to commit
 to launching a parallel effort.
 
 The ubio project has a decent description of the problem, at
 http://www.ubio.org/index.php?pagename=background_intro
 
 So, it seems to me that if we're going to expand CF to accommodate
 biological  data,  we should follow Roy's advice, and have a 'generic'
 standard name that means 'organism count' and add at least one required
 attribute pointing to a taxonomic name server (with a version date). The
 'current' species name could be included in the long_name attribute.
 
 Although it's a valid point that existing search tools don't know about
 extra attributes, the effort of keeping up with the changes in terms could
 render CF useless for this kind of data otherwise.
 
 Regards - Nan
 
 
 On 3/25/13 5:00 AM, Jonathan Gregory wrote:
 Dear all
 
 I agree with Philip that cfu should be spelled out. I was also going to make
 the same point about Roy's proposal being different from our treatment of
 chemical species, which are encoded in the standard name; this system seems 
 to
 be working. One reason for keeping this approach was the green dog problem.
 That particular phrase is actually Roy's, if I remember correctly. That is, 
 we
 wish to prevent nonsensical constructions, by approving each name which makes
 (chemical) sense individually.
 
 However Roy argues that there is an order of magnitude more biological 
 species
 to deal with than chemical. I don't think that keeping the same approach
 (encoding in the standard name) would break the system, but it would make the
 standard name table very large. Perhaps more importantly, if there were so
 many species, I expect that data-writers would simply assume that each of the
 possible combinations of pattern and species did already exist in the 
 standard
 name table, without bothering to check or have them approved. That would 
 defeat
 the object of the system of individual approval.
 
 We don't have to follow the chemical approach. For named geographical
 regions and surface area types (vegetation types etc.) we use string-valued
 coordinate variables, rather like Roy proposes here. To follow that approach
 we would need a new table, subsidiary to the standard name table, containing
 a list of controlled names of biological species. We would use the same
 approval process to add names to this list as we do for the standard name
 table. (This is what we do for geographical regions and area types.) We would
 then have a standard_name such as
   number_concentration_of_biological_species_in_sea_water
 whose definition would note that a data variable with this standard_name must
 have a string-valued auxiliary coordinate variable of biological_species
 containing a valid name from the biological species table. If there is just
 one species, the auxiliary coordinate variable wouldn't need a dimension,
 but this construction would also allow a single data variable to contain data
 for several species, by having a dimension of size greater than one.
 
 Cheers
 
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Re: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus and?Clostridium perfringens

2013-03-25 Thread Jim Biard
Hi.

This sounds like a good plan.  I think there should be an attribute with a 
specific name to carry the taxonomic details.  It probably will occur in the 
long name as well, but I don't like the idea of making the long name the 
official repository for that information.  It's not my arena, so I can't say 
with authority, but couldn't we come up with a new attribute that was named and 
described generically enough that it could handle species taxonomy info as well 
as chemical species info or whatever else may come up along these lines.

Grace and peace,

Jim

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On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Nan Galbraith ngalbra...@whoi.edu wrote:

 Hi all -
 
 Species taxonomies are not like chemical vocabularies, in that terms for
 organisms change over time. There are some big projects involved in
 maintaining these taxonomies, and we probably don't want to commit
 to launching a parallel effort.
 
 The ubio project has a decent description of the problem, at
 http://www.ubio.org/index.php?pagename=background_intro
 
 So, it seems to me that if we're going to expand CF to accommodate
 biological  data,  we should follow Roy's advice, and have a 'generic'
 standard name that means 'organism count' and add at least one required
 attribute pointing to a taxonomic name server (with a version date). The
 'current' species name could be included in the long_name attribute.
 
 Although it's a valid point that existing search tools don't know about
 extra attributes, the effort of keeping up with the changes in terms could
 render CF useless for this kind of data otherwise.
 
 Regards - Nan
 
 
 On 3/25/13 5:00 AM, Jonathan Gregory wrote:
 Dear all
 
 I agree with Philip that cfu should be spelled out. I was also going to make
 the same point about Roy's proposal being different from our treatment of
 chemical species, which are encoded in the standard name; this system seems 
 to
 be working. One reason for keeping this approach was the green dog problem.
 That particular phrase is actually Roy's, if I remember correctly. That is, 
 we
 wish to prevent nonsensical constructions, by approving each name which makes
 (chemical) sense individually.
 
 However Roy argues that there is an order of magnitude more biological 
 species
 to deal with than chemical. I don't think that keeping the same approach
 (encoding in the standard name) would break the system, but it would make the
 standard name table very large. Perhaps more importantly, if there were so
 many species, I expect that data-writers would simply assume that each of the
 possible combinations of pattern and species did already exist in the 
 standard
 name table, without bothering to check or have them approved. That would 
 defeat
 the object of the system of individual approval.
 
 We don't have to follow the chemical approach. For named geographical
 regions and surface area types (vegetation types etc.) we use string-valued
 coordinate variables, rather like Roy proposes here. To follow that approach
 we would need a new table, subsidiary to the standard name table, containing
 a list of controlled names of biological species. We would use the same
 approval process to add names to this list as we do for the standard name
 table. (This is what we do for geographical regions and area types.) We would
 then have a standard_name such as
   number_concentration_of_biological_species_in_sea_water
 whose definition would note that a data variable with this standard_name must
 have a string-valued auxiliary coordinate variable of biological_species
 containing a valid name from the biological species table. If there is just
 one species, the auxiliary coordinate variable wouldn't need a dimension,
 but this construction would also allow a single data variable to contain data
 for several species, by having a dimension of size greater than one.
 
 Cheers
 
 Jonathan
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Re: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus and?Clostridium perfringens

2013-03-25 Thread Hassan Moustahfid - NOAA Federal
Hi folks. I don't know if you received what I sent early about IOOS
Biological Data services termnilogy and Darwin Core standards.
If you want to create your own vocab  go ahead. we will keep talking to our
self. I think there is now an opportunity to figure out how to talk between
CF and Darwin Core.
FYI- Darwin Core is the standard used by Biodiversity community, GBIF
http://www.gbif.org/ and by IOOS Biological group.
Thanks
Hassan

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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 2:38 PM, John Graybeal
grayb...@marinemetadata.orgwrote:

 +1 Nan, great summary

 CF should prepare for the day when it needs to interoperate with multiple
 authorities, e.g., 2 different species vocabularies.  It will not be
 possible for one vocabulary to serve all the scientific needs.  We are on
 the right track here, let's see if we can solve the whole issue by ensuring
 that the species name reference either be a unique identifier, or be
 convertible, using automated means, to a unique identifier.

 John



 On Mar 25, 2013, at 11:18, Nan Galbraith ngalbra...@whoi.edu wrote:

  Hi all -
 
  Species taxonomies are not like chemical vocabularies, in that terms for
  organisms change over time. There are some big projects involved in
  maintaining these taxonomies, and we probably don't want to commit
  to launching a parallel effort.
 
  The ubio project has a decent description of the problem, at
  http://www.ubio.org/index.php?pagename=background_intro
 
  So, it seems to me that if we're going to expand CF to accommodate
  biological  data,  we should follow Roy's advice, and have a 'generic'
  standard name that means 'organism count' and add at least one required
  attribute pointing to a taxonomic name server (with a version date). The
  'current' species name could be included in the long_name attribute.
 
  Although it's a valid point that existing search tools don't know about
  extra attributes, the effort of keeping up with the changes in terms
 could
  render CF useless for this kind of data otherwise.
 
  Regards - Nan
 
 
  On 3/25/13 5:00 AM, Jonathan Gregory wrote:
  Dear all
 
  I agree with Philip that cfu should be spelled out. I was also going to
 make
  the same point about Roy's proposal being different from our treatment
 of
  chemical species, which are encoded in the standard name; this system
 seems to
  be working. One reason for keeping this approach was the green dog
 problem.
  That particular phrase is actually Roy's, if I remember correctly. That
 is, we
  wish to prevent nonsensical constructions, by approving each name which
 makes
  (chemical) sense individually.
 
  However Roy argues that there is an order of magnitude more biological
 species
  to deal with than chemical. I don't think that keeping the same approach
  (encoding in the standard name) would break the system, but it would
 make the
  standard name table very large. Perhaps more importantly, if there were
 so
  many species, I expect that data-writers would simply assume that each
 of the
  possible combinations of pattern and species did already exist in the
 standard
  name table, without bothering to check or have them approved. That
 would defeat
  the object of the system of individual approval.
 
  We don't have to follow the chemical approach. For named geographical
  regions and surface area types (vegetation types etc.) we use
 string-valued
  coordinate variables, rather like Roy proposes here. To follow that
 approach
  we would need a new table, subsidiary to the standard name table,
 containing
  a list of controlled names of biological species. We would use the same
  approval process to add names to this list as we do for the standard
 name
  table. (This is what we do for geographical regions and area types.) We
 would
  then have a standard_name such as
number_concentration_of_biological_species_in_sea_water
  whose definition would note that a data variable with this
 standard_name must
  have a string-valued auxiliary coordinate variable of biological_species
  containing a valid name from the biological species table. If there is
 just
  one species, the auxiliary coordinate variable wouldn't need a
 dimension,
  but this construction would also allow a single data variable to
 contain data
  for several species, by having a dimension of size greater than one.
 
  Cheers
 
  Jonathan
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Re: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus and Clostridium perfringens

2013-03-22 Thread Steve Emmerson
On 03/21/2013 02:12 PM, John Maurer wrote:
 I believe the
 canonical units in UDUNITS parlance would translate to m-3, which is
 what I find in the standard name table for other number_concentration_*
 quantities.

Yup. If the dimension of the physical quantity is number per volume,
then the SI unit would be m-3. (The problem with the atmospheric
surface density quantities is that they need to be convertable with
areic amount of substance; consequently, moles and molecules creep in).

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Re: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus and Clostridium perfringens

2013-03-22 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Dear All,

I see Pandora's Box opening before us.  I have been down the road of setting up 
my equivalent to Standard Names (the BODC Parameter Usage Vocabulary) with 
concepts that include specification of the biological entity, which is why I 
have a vocabulary with getting on for 30,000 concepts. So I have things like 
'Abundance of species X','Carbon biomass of species X', 'Nitrogen biomass of 
species X', 'Average specimen length of species X' and so on.

In recent discussions within SeaDataNet and the EU ODIP project I have been 
persuaded that this approach is unsustainable and that what we should be aiming 
for in these projects is an approach where the Standard Name equivalent is 
something like 'Abundance of biological entity' and then have a separate 
metadata element (i.e. variable attribute) for the biological entity that 
should be related an established taxonomic standard such as WoRMS 
(http://www.marinespecies.org/).  So, which path should CF follow?

An additional point is that I would prefer not to have the semantics of what 
was measured encoded into the units of measure.  The way I've approached CFU is 
through concepts phrased like ' Abundance (colony-forming units) of Vibrio 
cholerae (WoRMS 395085) per unit volume of the water body' where colony-forming 
units is a qualifying semantic on abundance (the term I prefer to 
number_concentration, but I appreciate the precedent in existing Standard 
Names).  So, IF we choose the path of naming the beasties in the standard name 
my preferred syntax would be:

cfu_number_concentration_of enterococcus _in_sea_water with canonical units of 
m-3 as John suggested.

I have copied this response to the SeaDataNet Technical Task Team so they are 
aware that this issue is being discussed in CF.

Cheers, Roy.

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From: CF-metadata [mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] On Behalf Of John 
Maurer
Sent: 21 March 2013 20:12
To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
Subject: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus and Clostridium 
perfringens

Aloha CF group,
I would like to propose the following standard names related to water quality 
measurements of the bacteria Enterococcus and Clostridium perfringens:

number_concentration_of_enterococcus_in_sea_water
number_concentration_of_clostridium_perfringens_in_sea_water

These are normally measured with units of CFU/100 mL, where CFU stands for 
Colony-Forming Unitshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony-forming_unit. I 
believe the canonical units in UDUNITS parlance would translate to m-3, which 
is what I find in the standard name table for other number_concentration_* 
quantities.

For descriptions of each, I would propose:

number_concentration_of_enterococcus_in_sea_water:

Number concentration means the number of particles or other specified objects 
per unit volume. In this context, it represents the number of colony-forming 
units (CFU) of bacteria belonging to the genus Enterococcus. This indicator 
bacteria has been correlated with the presence of human pathogens 
(disease-causing organisms) and therefore with human illnesses such as 
gastroenteritis, diarrhea, and various infections in epidemiological studies. 
As such, it is commonly measured in beach water quality monitoring programs.

number_concentration_of_clostridium_perfringens_in_sea_water:

Number concentration means the number of particles or other specified objects 
per unit volume. In this context, it represents the number of colony-forming 
units (CFU) of bacteria belonging to the species Clostridium perfringens. 
Because this bacteria is a normal component of the human intestinal tract, its 
presence in samples of sea water can be used as a tracer of sewage 
contamination. As such, it is commonly measured in beach water quality 
monitoring programs.

Thanks,
John Maurer
Pacific Islands Ocean Observing System (PacIOOS)
University of Hawaii at Manoa


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Re: [CF-metadata] proposed standard names for Enterococcus and Clostridium perfringens

2013-03-22 Thread Steve Emmerson
On 03/22/2013 03:57 AM, Lowry, Roy K. wrote:
 An additional point is that I would prefer not to have the semantics of
 what was measured encoded into the units of measure.

I couldn't agree more. The NIST also agrees. See sections 7.4 and 7.5 of
http://physics.nist.gov/Pubs/SP811/sec07.html.

--Steve
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