Re: null - was Re: Blackstone Strong Typing? was Re: CFX_FileReadLn

2004-07-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> This is one of those annoying things (like alphabetically
> sorted query
> ciomumnList) that you wonder why they just don't fix it.

columnlist doesn't so much bother me... listsort(query.columnlist) ...
what does still bother me is structsort()... the reason it annoys me
is because it creates an inconsistency with earlier versions, with a
workaround which is only viable on the current version, so you can't
just blanketly apply structsort() if you design software to be
backward compatible. Although it's becoming less an issue quickly, it
still perterbs me.

> Mmmm... BD fixed columnList, maybe they will support
> Nulls.

> Whoa, this could lead to chaos!

That it could! :)

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CFCHART

2004-07-10 Thread Andrew Grosset
Hi,

Is it possible to add (different) mouseover effects to the "URL" in CFCHART? I would like to add a DHTML function but whatever I add 
stops the popUP function from working.

(this works ok and creates a popUp box passing "ID" in the url)

url="">

any suggestions?

Andrew.
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RE: Tool recommendations

2004-07-10 Thread Ray Bujarski
Thanks everyone for you help.  These are some excellent suggestions.

Ray

-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Tool recommendations

On Jul 9, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Ray Bujarski wrote:

> I want to set up a new site that will be for a band, does anyone know 
> of
>  any good:
>
>  1) Calendar applications for scheduling
>
>  2) Image gallery applications

The best I found, and the one I use, is Gallery:

    http://gallery.menalto.com/

It is open-source freeware.

It supports images and video (although the video support is not as good 
as images).

It has several nice features that use Java applets:

-- full screen slideshow
-- multi file upload

It does not require a db.

It allows images of several sizes/resolutions

-- Full size web display
-- Thumbnail web display
-- Full size Hires for ordering prints from an online service.

It creates the thumbnails and resizes images as necessary

It optionally allows visitors to upload images, create their own 
albums, or add comments/poll existing images.

The only downside is that it is written in PHP

>
>  3) Bulletin Boards
>
>  Been a while I looked at new tools, so I wanted to get the
communities
>  input for eval purposes.

One thing I would recommend, is get your hands on a Mac for a few hours 
(Apple store, or borrow one from a band member). Apple has several 
programs called iLife:

iTunes*
IPhoto
IDVD
iMovie
GarageBand

*iTunes is now available, free, for Mac and Win platforms and is the 
most popular program of this type-- outnumbering the others, combined.  
They are approaching 100 million songs sold.

Plus the .Mac online service

iCal -- Calendar
Address Book
iSync

And other programs

iChat AV chatting (Up to 3 concurrent video participants demoed -- 
availablle in 1st half 2005).

The band is likely already using many of these programs -- so this is 
what they will expect from a web site.

Apple has a pretty good UI for these apps and a (mostly) common 
database/file structure

The programs integrate well -- You could use GarageBand to record a 
session, then easily integrate that recording into a movie or slide 
show.

I am working on a CF program that allows you to publish (all or 
portions of) your iTunes Library on the web.  It mostly works, with a 
few browser problems.  There are digital rights issues with this, as 
when you play a song you are actually downloading it.  But, the band 
could use this approach to publish teasers on their site, then have the 
full song available for DL/purchase -- or link to Apple's Music Store. 
With the right client-side capability, you could automatically include 
the DL songs in your private iTunes library

My next step with this program is to integrate movies, photos and text.

This is made easier because of a common db/file structure that is 
accessible through an XML file.

Whew!  Sounds like an Apple commercial -- but Apple has done most of 
the heavy lifting and you could do a lot worse than emulating their UI.

HTH

Dick

>  For example I like YaBB for the Bulletin Board, however I would 
> prefer a
>  coldfusion based BB.  I am open though, YaBB is well designed, but if
>  you know of a better one.  I am okay with Java as well.  So any
>  recommendations in Perl, CFML, or JAVA would be greatly appreciated.
>  Most important CHEAP, I don't mind a few bucks but not more than a 
> $100
>  for out of the box.  Simple back-end db would be good such as
>  Access/MySQL.

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Re: Tool recommendations

2004-07-10 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 10, 2004, at 7:12 AM, Jake . wrote:

> >2) Image gallery applications
>
>  I've got a pretty nice photoblog app, PhotoBlogFusion, as well as a 
> Blogging software (BlogFusion) at www.countersinkdg.com.
>
>
Mmmm...

A blog with additional image capability (user uploads, user 
comments,slideshow, ordering prints, etc) might be a good choice.  
Especially since many blogs already include a calendar and other 
features that the site might need.

Prolly worth a visit to Dave Winer's Userland/Manilla to check some of 
the featured sites for ideas;

http://manila.userland.com/

HTH

Dick
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Re: Tool recommendations

2004-07-10 Thread Jake .
>2) Image gallery applications 

I've got a pretty nice photoblog app, PhotoBlogFusion, as well as a Blogging software (BlogFusion) at www.countersinkdg.com.

Jake
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Re: null - was Re: Blackstone Strong Typing? was Re: CFX_FileReadLn

2004-07-10 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 10, 2004, at 6:23 AM, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:

> Personally I think the lack of nulls in CF is far more
>  troublesome than the lack of strong-typing and if I had to prioritize
>  them, nulls would be way up near the top of my list, while stong
>  typing would be way down toward the bottom.

I've thought the lack of Nulls was strange since my first encounter 
with CF 3.0 (!998).

It has always seemed odd that we were spoofing interaction with Null db 
fields.

Now, with the ability to closely interact with Java it seems even 
odder, that we need to cobble together some kludge to resolve Nulls.

This is one of those annoying things (like alphabetically sorted query 
ciomumnList) that you wonder why they just don't fix it.

Mmmm... BD fixed columnList, maybe they will support Nulls.

Whoa, this could lead to chaos!

Dick
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Linux OS authentication

2004-07-10 Thread Christopher Farino
Does anyone know where I can find documentation on user authentication through Linux OS?
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Re: Tool recommendations

2004-07-10 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Jul 9, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Ray Bujarski wrote:

> I want to set up a new site that will be for a band, does anyone know 
> of
>  any good:
>
>  1) Calendar applications for scheduling
>
>  2) Image gallery applications

The best I found, and the one I use, is Gallery:

    http://gallery.menalto.com/

It is open-source freeware.

It supports images and video (although the video support is not as good 
as images).

It has several nice features that use Java applets:

-- full screen slideshow
-- multi file upload

It does not require a db.

It allows images of several sizes/resolutions

-- Full size web display
-- Thumbnail web display
-- Full size Hires for ordering prints from an online service.

It creates the thumbnails and resizes images as necessary

It optionally allows visitors to upload images, create their own 
albums, or add comments/poll existing images.

The only downside is that it is written in PHP

>
>  3) Bulletin Boards
>
>  Been a while I looked at new tools, so I wanted to get the communities
>  input for eval purposes.

One thing I would recommend, is get your hands on a Mac for a few hours 
(Apple store, or borrow one from a band member). Apple has several 
programs called iLife:

iTunes*
IPhoto
IDVD
iMovie
GarageBand

*iTunes is now available, free, for Mac and Win platforms and is the 
most popular program of this type-- outnumbering the others, combined.  
They are approaching 100 million songs sold.

Plus the .Mac online service

iCal -- Calendar
Address Book
iSync

And other programs

iChat AV chatting (Up to 3 concurrent video participants demoed -- 
availablle in 1st half 2005).

The band is likely already using many of these programs -- so this is 
what they will expect from a web site.

Apple has a pretty good UI for these apps and a (mostly) common 
database/file structure

The programs integrate well -- You could use GarageBand to record a 
session, then easily integrate that recording into a movie or slide 
show.

I am working on a CF program that allows you to publish (all or 
portions of) your iTunes Library on the web.  It mostly works, with a 
few browser problems.  There are digital rights issues with this, as 
when you play a song you are actually downloading it.  But, the band 
could use this approach to publish teasers on their site, then have the 
full song available for DL/purchase -- or link to Apple's Music Store. 
With the right client-side capability, you could automatically include 
the DL songs in your private iTunes library

My next step with this program is to integrate movies, photos and text.

This is made easier because of a common db/file structure that is 
accessible through an XML file.

Whew!  Sounds like an Apple commercial -- but Apple has done most of 
the heavy lifting and you could do a lot worse than emulating their UI.

HTH

Dick

>  For example I like YaBB for the Bulletin Board, however I would 
> prefer a
>  coldfusion based BB.  I am open though, YaBB is well designed, but if
>  you know of a better one.  I am okay with Java as well.  So any
>  recommendations in Perl, CFML, or JAVA would be greatly appreciated.
>  Most important CHEAP, I don't mind a few bucks but not more than a 
> $100
>  for out of the box.  Simple back-end db would be good such as
>  Access/MySQL.
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Re: [Reply To] Error: No error occurred.

2004-07-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Yea, that's strange -- now that you mention it (and I have a 2nd look
at his email), the code only points to a directory but the error
points to an individual file that's not even anywhere near that
directory.

> Hi Bill

> Don't you have to have the file name in the file path
> ie
> file="c:\inetpub\wwwroot\myfolder\myfile.txt"

> Seamus

>  You wrote 
> Greetings,
>>>
>>>I am trying to execute cffile
>>>
>>>
>>>file="c:\inetpub\wwwroot\myfolder\"
> output="my string" addnewline="Yes">
>>>
>>>which is producing this error:
>>>
>>>Error processing CFFILE
>>>
>>>Error attempting to write data to target file
> 'c:\dbase\book.htm'.
>>>
>>>Error: No error occurred.
>>>
>>>I'm operating CF 4.5 on XP Pro and have been using it for
>>>several
> years since release and have never encountered the error
> before
> and it has me totally stumped. Any suggestions to the
> cause will
> be most welcome.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter
>>>22949 spam mails have been blocked so far.
>>>Download free www.spamfighter.com today!
>>>
>>>

>
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null - was Re: Blackstone Strong Typing? was Re: CFX_FileReadLn

2004-07-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> Just a small thought. All I personally think that CF could
> benefit from in
> all of this strong typing discussion is the ability to
> cast a variable to
> any java class. I feel that if I could JavaCast() to any
> java class in order
> to create byte arrays or other specific types I would have
> everything I need
> in terms of typing.

> In addition, I have heard it mentioned that strong typing
> would make us
> write better code, but I personally enjoy the flexibility
> coldfusion
> provides though I generally create a variable and treat it
> as if it were
> strongly typed, avoiding conversions to other types. This
> is not only for
> efficiency, but for better understanding of my code
> without needing strong
> typing. I think much of these arguments could be solved
> with the simple
> study of basic computer science topics.

> Essentially, I have to wonder if the time spent creating
> this feature vs.
> the JavaCast() idea or others would be a good decision
> when it is fairly
> easily replaced by good practices and tools already
> available in CF.

> Thanks and Hope that made sense (It's 3:30 am),
> Mike

My work is similar ... and I have similar feelings about the
strong-typing issue. I don't feel it's a crucial issue and likely the
yield is not worth the time to implement it. (I say this, knowing that
issues I feel have been critical have not been addressed because
others have felt the same way about them. Them's the breaks I
suppose.) Personally I think the lack of nulls in CF is far more
troublesome than the lack of strong-typing and if I had to prioritize
them, nulls would be way up near the top of my list, while stong
typing would be way down toward the bottom. Others aren't bothered by
the lack of nulls in CF and have the opinion of them that I have of
strong typing. I don't know if this has anything to do with their not
being implemented - they may still not have been included largely due
to the technical challenges involved in adding them so late.

Imo the best workaround I've found for them is still a kludge - I
create a structure and treat values not found in the structure as null
values. Typically this structure is passed as the attribute collection
to a custom tag or as an argument to a function which then contains a
switch to determine whether those nulls should be ignored or forwarded
on to the database. It works but even still it's not as precise as I'd
like.

The only other workarounds I've seen have been to use the word 'null',
empty strings or worse in place of null values, often using the word
'null' as the name of a variable, which beyond being ugly is courting
disaster, i.e. . I suppose if I were going to use
a simple value to represent nulls, I'd have to opt for a non-printing
character that's not used for much of anything else, like the ascii
beep code. (chr(7) iirc). In any event, that's what I'm not happy
with. :)

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RE: CFPOP 100 message limit

2004-07-10 Thread Graham Lewis
Paul,
   Yes  a trial copy would be good.  I am just fiddling with an idea but if this solves it I can justify the momentous sum of £7.50!!

Thanks
Graham

Graham Lewis
Centre for Academic Practice
University of Warwick
University House
Kirby Corner Road
Coventry CV4 8UW
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Tel.: (+44) (0) 24 765 72737
Mobile: 07733450022
Fax.: (+44) (0) 24 765 727326

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/services/cap/about/staff/lewis/
http://innovations.warwick.ac.uk/innovations/
http://cap.warwick.ac.uk/tdf

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/04 01:22pm >>>
> Thanks.  I will see if I can find out if it runs with v4.0.

It should do, its a long time since I tested it with a 4.0 installation as I
haven't run it in a while but the interface to CF hasn't changed from 3.1
onwards very much... just a couple of deprecated function calls which I have
never needed to use anyway.

 
I can arrange a trial copy if you want. Plus if if does work you'll be doing
your bit for local businesses as I only live a few miles down the road

 
Paul
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RE: CFPOP 100 message limit

2004-07-10 Thread Paul Vernon
> Thanks.  I will see if I can find out if it runs with v4.0.

It should do, its a long time since I tested it with a 4.0 installation as I
haven't run it in a while but the interface to CF hasn't changed from 3.1
onwards very much... just a couple of deprecated function calls which I have
never needed to use anyway.

 
I can arrange a trial copy if you want. Plus if if does work you'll be doing
your bit for local businesses as I only live a few miles down the road

 
Paul
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RE: CFPOP 100 message limit

2004-07-10 Thread Graham Lewis
Thanks.  I will see if I can find out if it runs with v4.0.

Graham Lewis
Centre for Academic Practice
University of Warwick
University House
Kirby Corner Road
Coventry CV4 8UW
UK

 
Tel.: (+44) (0) 24 765 72737
Mobile: 07733450022
Fax.: (+44) (0) 24 765 727326

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/services/cap/about/staff/lewis/
http://innovations.warwick.ac.uk/innovations/
http://cap.warwick.ac.uk/tdf

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/10/04 09:45am >>>
You could use CFX_POP3 which would give you UID functionality if your server
supports it!

 
http://www.web-architect.co.uk/downloads.cfm 

 
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RE: CFPOP 100 message limit

2004-07-10 Thread Paul Vernon
You could use CFX_POP3 which would give you UID functionality if your server
supports it!

 
http://www.web-architect.co.uk/downloads.cfm

 
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Re: CFPOP 100 message limit

2004-07-10 Thread Graham Lewis
Yes its doing that.  The problem is that 100 most recent setting.  The last 100 changes as new mesages come in.  Yes I know - UID and I guess I am stuffed without that.

Graham Lewis
Centre for Academic Practice
University of Warwick
University House
Kirby Corner Road
Coventry CV4 8UW
UK

 
Tel.: (+44) (0) 24 765 72737
Mobile: 07733450022
Fax.: (+44) (0) 24 765 727326

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/services/cap/about/staff/lewis/
http://innovations.warwick.ac.uk/innovations/
http://cap.warwick.ac.uk/tdf

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/09/04 07:03pm >>>
This has to be something set by the mail server as CFPOP usually gets
the first chronological message first.

- Original Message -
From: Graham Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:46:20 +0100
Subject: CFPOP 100 message limit
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I see that when I CFPOP my mail server, I always get the last 100
messages.  Not sure if this is set by the server or is something I can
set via Cold Fusion.  Either way though there is a problem that if I
refer to messages via MESSAGENUMBER, this can change between grabbing
them and deleting them or indeed grabbing them again as individual
messages.

I am missing something right? :)

Graham Lewis

Centre for Academic Practice

University of Warwick

University House

Kirby Corner Road

Coventry CV4 8UW

UK



Tel.: (+44) (0) 24 765 72737

Mobile: 07733450022

Fax.: (+44) (0) 24 765 727326

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/services/cap/about/staff/lewis/ 

http://innovations.warwick.ac.uk/innovations/ 

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Re: CFPOP 100 message limit

2004-07-10 Thread Graham Lewis
I am still using v4.0 so...

Graham Lewis
Centre for Academic Practice
University of Warwick
University House
Kirby Corner Road
Coventry CV4 8UW
UK

 
Tel.: (+44) (0) 24 765 72737
Mobile: 07733450022
Fax.: (+44) (0) 24 765 727326

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/services/cap/about/staff/lewis/
http://innovations.warwick.ac.uk/innovations/
http://cap.warwick.ac.uk/tdf

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/09/04 06:58pm >>>
The mail server is probably limiting the mail to batches of 100.   Also - if you want to keep things in synch you should use UID as this is guarnateed to be unique.

HTH,

  - Original Message - 
  From: Graham Lewis 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:46 PM
  Subject: CFPOP 100 message limit

  I see that when I CFPOP my mail server, I always get the last 100 messages.  Not sure if this is set by the server or is something I can set via Cold Fusion.  Either way though there is a problem that if I refer to messages via MESSAGENUMBER, this can change between grabbing them and deleting them or indeed grabbing them again as individual messages.

  I am missing something right? :)

  Graham Lewis
  Centre for Academic Practice
  University of Warwick
  University House
  Kirby Corner Road
  Coventry CV4 8UW
  UK

  Tel.: (+44) (0) 24 765 72737
  Mobile: 07733450022
  Fax.: (+44) (0) 24 765 727326

  http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/services/cap/about/staff/lewis/ 
  http://innovations.warwick.ac.uk/innovations/ 
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