Re: Stop View Source 2

2007-10-20 Thread Brian Kotek
Correct. Can we let this drop now? I think the point has been driven into
the ground: you can't stop people from inspecting anything that is rendered
or processed in the browser. Let's move on, because somehow this thread just
won't die even though the point was made in the first reply.

On 10/19/07, Richard White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 thanks again for your replies. so i am judging by your responses that no
 one really does anything to protect their code as it is pointless? if
 someone wants to get it they will!

 

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RE: Coldfusion hosting recomendation ?

2007-10-20 Thread Nick Gleason
Hi there. We've had a very good experience with CF Dynamics.  Their support
is very strong and their knowledge of CF hosting is extremely good since it
is their focus.  I don't know much about their international speeds, but you
may want to check in with them and find out.

Best,

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 Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 12:53 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Coldfusion hosting recomendation ?
 
 I have a dedicated server with hosting.com (cfxhosting.com) 
 Before.. my server was in Louisville.. 5 months ago they 
 moved my server to Irvine (CA). 
 and since then, the connection from Japan is becoming very 
 slow at certain times. 
 traceroute shows : 819ms.
 They say... NOTHING they can do... it is router problem 
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 Hmm... sadly... I have to find better location hosting.
 
 Anybody can recommend a VERY GOOD Coldfusion Dedicated Hosting ? 
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RE: Stop View Source

2007-10-20 Thread Adrian Lynch
Ermm, how about taking a screen shot and sending the user a jpeg!
Everybody's happy :OD

-Original Message-
From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 October 2007 16:44
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Stop View Source


Nothing, repeat, nothing, you do can stop someone from viewing the HTML
source of a web page in the browser. The browser HAS to get the HTML in
order to render it. And if the browser has it, the user can look at it.

On 10/19/07, Richard White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 I remember reading something that said in ColdFusion we can stop people
 from viewing the page source code.

 I would appreciate any help as to whether this is this possible and how we
 would go about doing it

 Thanks

 Richard


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Re: Stop View Source 2

2007-10-20 Thread Richard White
Ok thanks to everyone for helping me understand this

Richard 

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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Jo�o_Fernandes
Rick

If you want to get started with CFEclipse, take a look into Mark Drew 
MAX presentation about CFEclipse that I just posted on my blog.
http://www.onflexwithcf.org/index.cfm/2007/10/20/Using-Eclipse-for-ColdFusion-Development--Videos

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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Brian Kotek
I was going to say the same thing. This issue isn't really a case of
Homesite vs. Eclipse, it's about always, always, always using source
control. Always.


On 10/19/07, Paul Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
  write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
  again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.

 Source control, Source control, Source control or to put it more
 concisely,
 SVN, SVN, SVN!

 There are some great Subversion plugins for CFEclipse :-) Subclipse is the
 one I believe most of the CFEclipse users use...

 Paul



 

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RE: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Robert Rawlins - Think Blue
This is very true Brian, I agree whole heartedly,

However, in the past I've always found subversion a total pain in the arse
to setup and configure, it's just very confusing. My guess is that this
stems from the fact that it was seemingly developed with Linux in mind, with
command lines and compiling binaries, if they made it a little more
intuitive to people (I suspect a large number of new developers will opt for
windows OS as its 'what they know'), instead of the linuxy style methods
they've used, I'm sure it would be more widely adopted by less experienced
developers.

It reminds me of the same reason why so many people pick up the bad habit of
developing using access databases, it's simply because to a beginner
developer they seem more accessible than a proper DBMS, As a novice
developer trying to figure out installation and configuration of MySQL or
SQL Server is quite confusing, especially when you have to setup management
studio or phpMyAdmin, whereas the concept of a single file which can be
easily created in a nice desktop based GUI is very simple to grasp, so most
novice developers will start with access, especially considering all that
functionality comes 'out of the box' with m$ office.

I completely agree that source control through a proper SVN approach will
pay dividends, but it's just one of those concepts that isn't 

A) Publicised to people properly, if you mention subversion to most amateur
developers they would stare blankly back at you, however, ftp is very
familiar. 

And.

B) Accessible and simple enough to implement, even with these 'one touch'
style solutions that subversion released for windows users.

They're just my thoughts,

Another quick gripe is with some of the guides and support documents I've
read in the past, they're always typical Linux user style blog posts and
forum remarks, showing a total lack of sympathy toward new and learning
developers, making wide sweeping statements like 'and then simply update
your system environment variables, and you're done!'... amateur users won't
have a clue what you're on about, even someone whom is reasonably
experienced with Linux development finds that stuff confusing.

Heh, man I'm in a tired and grouchy mood today, can you tell? Lol

Sorry for the rantish post chaps,

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 20 October 2007 15:43
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

I was going to say the same thing. This issue isn't really a case of
Homesite vs. Eclipse, it's about always, always, always using source
control. Always.


On 10/19/07, Paul Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
  write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
  again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.

 Source control, Source control, Source control or to put it more
 concisely,
 SVN, SVN, SVN!

 There are some great Subversion plugins for CFEclipse :-) Subclipse is the
 one I believe most of the CFEclipse users use...

 Paul



 



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Help with MySQL Query

2007-10-20 Thread Peter Tanswell
Hi there

I have a query that I have created - it works against a MS-Access database
but does not work with MySQL. I have searched through the MySQL notes that I
have but cant find out why - I think its because of the AS MatTotal section
of the query.

Thanks in advance for feedback


SELECT visaudactweight.RecID, Sites.SiteName, visaudactweight.VADateTime,
CompanyNames.CompanyName, GateKeeperRecs.RegoNo, GKeeperNames.GKeeperName,
AuditorNames.AuditorName, GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight,
(visaudactweight.Asphalt + visaudactweight.Cardboard_CompactedDry +
visaudactweight.Cardboard_CompactedWet + visaudactweight.Cardboard_LooseDry+
visaudactweight.Cardboard_LooseWet + visaudactweight.Cardboard_Waxed +
visaudactweight.Clay + visaudactweight.CleanFill + visaudactweight.Concrete+
visaudactweight.Food_Kitchen +
visaudactweight.Garbags + visaudactweight.Glass +
visaudactweight.Leather_Textiles + visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesFurn +
visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesMatt + visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesCar +
visaudactweight.Metal_Ferrous + visaudactweight.Metal_NonFerrous +
visaudactweight.Paper +
visaudactweight.Plastic_BagsFilm + visaudactweight.Plastic_Hard +
visaudactweight.PlasterBoard + visaudactweight.Polystyrene +
visaudactweight.Rocks_Bricks + visaudactweight.Rubble + visaudactweight.Soil+
visaudactweight.Tyres_Rubber + visaudactweight.Vegetation_Garden +
visaudactweight.Wood_Timber +
visaudactweight.Wood_Pallets + visaudactweight.Wood_Fencing +
visaudactweight.Wood_Furniture + visaudactweight.Other_CD +
visaudactweight.Other_CI + visaudactweight.Hazardous)
AS MatTotal, ((MatTotal -
GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight)/GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight)*100
as PercentDiff
FROM visaudactweight, Sites, AuditorNames, CompanyNames, GateKeeperRecs,
GKeeperNames
WHERE (visaudactweight.SiteID = Sites.SiteID)


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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Brian Kotek
If you happen to be on Windows, setting up Subversion is as simple as
clicking one button:

http://svn1clicksetup.tigris.org/

:-)

On 10/20/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue 
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 This is very true Brian, I agree whole heartedly,

 However, in the past I've always found subversion a total pain in the arse
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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Brian Kotek
D'oh, answered before I saw your note about the one click installers.

I agree that learning to use version control is a bit of a hurdle initially.
However, I'd say that it is something that you simply HAVE to learn. Anyone
who isn't using it should simply accept that need to do this (even if it's
just because everyone else is doing it, because in this case everyone
else is right). The benefits to doing so, and the risks of not doing so,
are simply irrefutable. And, honestly, it's really not that difficult to get
going with it.

As for docs, I used http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ early on. But with the
built-in SVN tools for Eclipse and Windows/OSX, pulling and committing to
the repository is really pretty straightforward (right click  commit.
done!)



On 10/20/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 A) Publicised to people properly, if you mention subversion to most
 amateur
 developers they would stare blankly back at you, however, ftp is very
 familiar.

 And.

 B) Accessible and simple enough to implement, even with these 'one touch'
 style solutions that subversion released for windows users.

 They're just my thoughts,

 Another quick gripe is with some of the guides and support documents I've
 read in the past, they're always typical Linux user style blog posts and
 forum remarks, showing a total lack of sympathy toward new and learning
 developers, making wide sweeping statements like 'and then simply update
 your system environment variables, and you're done!'... amateur users
 won't
 have a clue what you're on about, even someone whom is reasonably
 experienced with Linux development finds that stuff confusing.

 Heh, man I'm in a tired and grouchy mood today, can you tell? Lol

 Sorry for the rantish post chaps,

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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Aaron Rouse
Source control is ones best friend but depending on the environments you
work in, it can be a task to try and get it up and running.  Most of the
places I do work for they do not run any form(or a form worth mentioning) of
source control on their servers.  Some of the places they have the laptops
that are provided to do the coding on, locked down to the point where you
could not just make it act like some sort of stand alone server so it does
all the things you wish the servers out of your control could do.

On 10/19/07, Paul Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
  write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
  again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.

 Source control, Source control, Source control or to put it more
 concisely,
 SVN, SVN, SVN!

 There are some great Subversion plugins for CFEclipse :-) Subclipse is the
 one I believe most of the CFEclipse users use...

 Paul



 

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mysql query

2007-10-20 Thread Toby King
Hi there

I have a query that I have created - it works against a MS-Access database but 
does not work with MySQL. I have searched through the MySQL notes that I have 
but cant find out why - I think its because of the AS MatTotal section of the 
query. 

Thanks in advance for feedback


SELECT visaudactweight.RecID, Sites.SiteName, visaudactweight.VADateTime, 
CompanyNames.CompanyName, GateKeeperRecs.RegoNo, GKeeperNames.GKeeperName, 
AuditorNames.AuditorName , GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight, 
(visaudactweight.Asphalt + visaudactweight.Cardboard_CompactedDry + 
visaudactweight.Cardboard_CompactedWet + visaudactweight.Cardboard_LooseDry + 
visaudactweight.Cardboard_LooseWet + visaudactweight.Cardboard_Waxed + 
visaudactweight.Clay + visaudactweight.CleanFill + visaudactweight.Concrete + 
visaudactweight.Food_Kitchen +
visaudactweight.Garbags + visaudactweight.Glass + 
visaudactweight.Leather_Textiles + visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesFurn + 
visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesMatt + visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesCar + 
visaudactweight.Metal_Ferrous + visaudactweight.Metal_NonFerrous + 
visaudactweight.Paper +
visaudactweight.Plastic_BagsFilm + visaudactweight.Plastic_Hard + 
visaudactweight.PlasterBoard + visaudactweight.Polystyrene + 
visaudactweight.Rocks_Bricks + visaudactweight.Rubble + visaudactweight.Soil + 
visaudactweight.Tyres_Rubber + visaudactweight.Vegetation_Garden + 
visaudactweight.Wood_Timber +
visaudactweight.Wood_Pallets + visaudactweight.Wood_Fencing + 
visaudactweight.Wood_Furniture + visaudactweight.Other_CD + 
visaudactweight.Other_CI + visaudactweight.Hazardous)
AS MatTotal, ((MatTotal - GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight 
)/GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight)*100 as PercentDiff
FROM visaudactweight, Sites, AuditorNames, CompanyNames, GateKeeperRecs, 
GKeeperNames 
WHERE (visaudactweight.SiteID = Sites.SiteID) 

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Re: Stop View Source

2007-10-20 Thread Matt Robertson
Richard, here is everything you need to know about protecting client-side
code and images:

http://www.digitalmidget.com/help/noclick/index.php

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Re: Help with MySQL Query

2007-10-20 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Peter Tanswell wrote:
 
 I have a query that I have created - it works against a MS-Access database
 but does not work with MySQL. I have searched through the MySQL notes that I
 have but cant find out why - I think its because of the AS MatTotal section
 of the query.

You can not use a column alias you define in the select list as a base 
column to some other calculated column in that same select list, i.e.:
SELECT A + B AS C, C / D AS E 
Instead, use:
SELECT A + B AS C, (A + B) / D AS E 
or:
SELECT C, C / D AS E
FROM (
SELECT A + B AS C, D ..
)

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Re: Help with MySQL Query

2007-10-20 Thread Will Tomlinson
Hi there

I have a query that I have created - it works against a MS-Access database
but does not work with MySQL. I have searched through the MySQL notes that I
have but cant find out why - I think its because of the AS MatTotal section
of the query.

What do you mean by does not work with mySQL

It might be your concatenations. 

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Re: Coldfusion 8 Adminapi Datasource problem

2007-10-20 Thread Raymond Camden
Hmm, I was hoping I'd see something simple. I'd suggest logging a bug
report (www.adobe.com/go/wish). Sorry I couldn't help.

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Re: Help with MySQL Query

2007-10-20 Thread Jon Clausen
Peter,

The reason it's not working is not because of the alias, but because  
you are trying to use the alias in the SELECT clause.  MySQL only  
allows you to reference aliases in the GROUP BY, ORDER BY, or HAVING  
clauses. (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/problems-with- 
alias.html)

You'll need to re-write the full equation used to create the alias  
and add parenthesis as necessary.

One other big note on this query:

You didn't include all of the WHERE clause joins for the tables in  
your provided SQL, but you should really perform your table JOINs in  
the FROM clause (i.e. INNER JOIN Sites ON visaudactweight.SiteID =  
Sites.SiteID).
You will see performance improvements on query execution inversely  
proportional to the number of records in your tables by doing this -  
up to 80-85%.

HTH,

Jon

On Oct 20, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Peter Tanswell wrote:

 Hi there

 I have a query that I have created - it works against a MS-Access  
 database
 but does not work with MySQL. I have searched through the MySQL  
 notes that I
 have but cant find out why - I think its because of the AS MatTotal  
 section
 of the query.

 Thanks in advance for feedback


 SELECT visaudactweight.RecID, Sites.SiteName,  
 visaudactweight.VADateTime,
 CompanyNames.CompanyName, GateKeeperRecs.RegoNo,  
 GKeeperNames.GKeeperName,
 AuditorNames.AuditorName, GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight,
 (visaudactweight.Asphalt + visaudactweight.Cardboard_CompactedDry +
 visaudactweight.Cardboard_CompactedWet +  
 visaudactweight.Cardboard_LooseDry+
 visaudactweight.Cardboard_LooseWet + visaudactweight.Cardboard_Waxed +
 visaudactweight.Clay + visaudactweight.CleanFill +  
 visaudactweight.Concrete+
 visaudactweight.Food_Kitchen +
 visaudactweight.Garbags + visaudactweight.Glass +
 visaudactweight.Leather_Textiles +  
 visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesFurn +
 visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesMatt +  
 visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesCar +
 visaudactweight.Metal_Ferrous + visaudactweight.Metal_NonFerrous +
 visaudactweight.Paper +
 visaudactweight.Plastic_BagsFilm + visaudactweight.Plastic_Hard +
 visaudactweight.PlasterBoard + visaudactweight.Polystyrene +
 visaudactweight.Rocks_Bricks + visaudactweight.Rubble +  
 visaudactweight.Soil+
 visaudactweight.Tyres_Rubber + visaudactweight.Vegetation_Garden +
 visaudactweight.Wood_Timber +
 visaudactweight.Wood_Pallets + visaudactweight.Wood_Fencing +
 visaudactweight.Wood_Furniture + visaudactweight.Other_CD +
 visaudactweight.Other_CI + visaudactweight.Hazardous)
 AS MatTotal, ((MatTotal -
 GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight)/GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight)*100
 as PercentDiff
 FROM visaudactweight, Sites, AuditorNames, CompanyNames,  
 GateKeeperRecs,
 GKeeperNames
 WHERE (visaudactweight.SiteID = Sites.SiteID)


 

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Re: Stop View Source 2

2007-10-20 Thread Claude Schneegans
 Let's move on, because somehow this thread just won't die

Right. It's time to start a new one. How about coldFusion dying? ;-)

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Re: mysql query

2007-10-20 Thread Brian Kotek
Well unless there is more to the where clause that you didn't paste, all
those extra parentheses are going to cause an error, in addition to the fact
that you're not joining any of the other tables.

On 10/20/07, Toby King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi there

 I have a query that I have created - it works against a MS-Access database
 but does not work with MySQL. I have searched through the MySQL notes that I
 have but cant find out why - I think its because of the AS MatTotal section
 of the query.

 Thanks in advance for feedback


 SELECT visaudactweight.RecID, Sites.SiteName, visaudactweight.VADateTime,
 CompanyNames.CompanyName, GateKeeperRecs.RegoNo, GKeeperNames.GKeeperName,
 AuditorNames.AuditorName , GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight,
 (visaudactweight.Asphalt + visaudactweight.Cardboard_CompactedDry +
 visaudactweight.Cardboard_CompactedWet +
 visaudactweight.Cardboard_LooseDry + visaudactweight.Cardboard_LooseWet +
 visaudactweight.Cardboard_Waxed + visaudactweight.Clay +
 visaudactweight.CleanFill + visaudactweight.Concrete +
 visaudactweight.Food_Kitchen +
 visaudactweight.Garbags + visaudactweight.Glass +
 visaudactweight.Leather_Textiles + visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesFurn +
 visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesMatt + visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesCar+
 visaudactweight.Metal_Ferrous + visaudactweight.Metal_NonFerrous +
 visaudactweight.Paper +
 visaudactweight.Plastic_BagsFilm + visaudactweight.Plastic_Hard +
 visaudactweight.PlasterBoard + visaudactweight.Polystyrene +
 visaudactweight.Rocks_Bricks + visaudactweight.Rubble +
 visaudactweight.Soil + visaudactweight.Tyres_Rubber +
 visaudactweight.Vegetation_Garden + visaudactweight.Wood_Timber +
 visaudactweight.Wood_Pallets + visaudactweight.Wood_Fencing +
 visaudactweight.Wood_Furniture + visaudactweight.Other_CD +
 visaudactweight.Other_CI + visaudactweight.Hazardous)
 AS MatTotal, ((MatTotal - 
 GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight)/GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight)*100 as PercentDiff
 FROM visaudactweight, Sites, AuditorNames, CompanyNames, GateKeeperRecs,
 GKeeperNames
 WHERE (visaudactweight.SiteID = Sites.SiteID)

 

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Re: Coldfusion hosting recomendation ?

2007-10-20 Thread Larry Lyons
Hi there. We've had a very good experience with CF Dynamics.  Their support
is very strong and their knowledge of CF hosting is extremely good since it
is their focus.  I don't know much about their international speeds, but you
may want to check in with them and find out.

Best,

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and have been quite impressed with their support and service.

regards,

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Re: Help with MySQL Query

2007-10-20 Thread Janet MacKay
You can not use a column alias you define in the select list as a base 
column to some other calculated column in that same select list, i.e.:

True.  

SELECT A + B AS C, C / D AS E 

I have to say I'm surprised Access actually _does_ allow you to do that.  I'd 
never tried it before now because most db's I've used don't allow it. Go figure.

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RE: Best technology

2007-10-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Reactor is perfect for that...reactor is used in model-glue to handle CRUD
ops...I assume it can be used on it's own as well...

Eric

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Subject: SOT: Best technology

I am looking for the best technology to take some of my old web pages that
basically do CRUD on database tables and updating them to have a better
interface.  Basically try to get away from page submissions.

I am thinking Flex, but does Spry have ways or sending/receiving data as it
is changed so I can update the database table?  It might be easier to take
my existing CF pages and make them use Spry then to redevelop them in Flex.
 
The backend to do the data CRUD will be a CFC of some sort.

I just have not had much time to play with these new languages and hope
someone can give me some suggestions.

Thanks,
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RE: What can PHP do that CF can't?

2007-10-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Qbasic was the IBM version...

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Subject: RE: What can PHP do that CF can't?

BASIC? ( I guess today it is called QBASIC)
Lasso?

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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: What can PHP do that CF can't?

 never learned perl? T-SQL?

nope.

 Unary and dereferencing in C?

These are operators, not included in the variable name.

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RE: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Yeah...until he gets the error that stops the interface from
loading...hehehe

Eric

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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

richard, meet cfeclipse.  cfeclipse, meet richard.

this is going to be the start of a beautiful relationship.

On 10/19/07, Richard Colman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
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SOT: Rails vs CF.... :)

2007-10-20 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
Folks,

I checked the archives -- maybe I missed this on the list the first time around.

http://www.railsenvy.com/2007/10/3/ruby-on-rails-vs-coldfusion

FWIW, these guys have several funny comparisons between Ruby on Rails
and X (9 I believe).

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Re: What can PHP do that CF can't?

2007-10-20 Thread Chris Jordan
Can we please get this worthless thread moved to CFCommunity, Michael?
Please?

Chris

On 10/20/07, Eric Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Qbasic was the IBM version...

 -Original Message-
 From: William Seiter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:52 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: What can PHP do that CF can't?

 BASIC? ( I guess today it is called QBASIC)
 Lasso?

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 Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com
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 -Original Message-
 From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:22 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: What can PHP do that CF can't?

 never learned perl? T-SQL?

 nope.

 Unary and dereferencing in C?

 These are operators, not included in the variable name.

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RE: Rails vs CF.... :)

2007-10-20 Thread Michael E. Carluen
Lol, that's really funny. Thanks John Paul.

I am curious as to the size of the RoR base (adoption/implementation).  I
checked the Top100 RoR Users list http://rails100.pbwiki.com/ but it only
lists 74- and 4 of them are 37Signals/David Hansson's products (no surprise
there).  Most on the list are names only hard core geeks and web developers
will recognize.

I mean, I haven't really seen an RoR site the size of BofA, or as
heavy-trafficed site as mySpace.  Maybe Basecamp- but its still not a
mySpace.

Having an evangelist driven campaign like RailsEnvy, is like having cfwack's
Ben and Ray create videos dispelling the Death of CF. That's going to be a
pretty long series since its been dying for a long time now- and will be in
a state of dying even longer, I think. Now that's going to be pretty funny..
at least to us.

Have a nice weekend y'all.




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 From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:06 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: SOT: Rails vs CF :)
 
 Folks,
 
 I checked the archives -- maybe I missed this on the list the first time
 around.
 
 http://www.railsenvy.com/2007/10/3/ruby-on-rails-vs-coldfusion
 
 FWIW, these guys have several funny comparisons between Ruby on Rails
 and X (9 I believe).
 
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Re: mysql query

2007-10-20 Thread Peter Tanswell
ah yes there were a few extra lines

AND (visaudactweight.AuditorID = AuditorNames.AuditorID))
  AND (visaudactweight.CompanyID = CompanyNames.CompanyID))
  AND (visaudactweight.GKprRecID = GateKeeperRecs.GKprRecID))
  AND (GateKeeperRecs.GKeeperID = GKeeperNames.GKeeperID))

but its the AS MATTOTAL which is causing the problem


On 10/21/07, Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well unless there is more to the where clause that you didn't paste, all
 those extra parentheses are going to cause an error, in addition to the
 fact
 that you're not joining any of the other tables.

 On 10/20/07, Toby King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi there
 
  I have a query that I have created - it works against a MS-Access
 database
  but does not work with MySQL. I have searched through the MySQL notes
 that I
  have but cant find out why - I think its because of the AS MatTotal
 section
  of the query.
 
  Thanks in advance for feedback
 
 
  SELECT visaudactweight.RecID, Sites.SiteName, visaudactweight.VADateTime
 ,
  CompanyNames.CompanyName, GateKeeperRecs.RegoNo,
 GKeeperNames.GKeeperName,
  AuditorNames.AuditorName , GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight,
  (visaudactweight.Asphalt + visaudactweight.Cardboard_CompactedDry +
  visaudactweight.Cardboard_CompactedWet +
  visaudactweight.Cardboard_LooseDry + visaudactweight.Cardboard_LooseWet+
  visaudactweight.Cardboard_Waxed + visaudactweight.Clay +
  visaudactweight.CleanFill + visaudactweight.Concrete +
  visaudactweight.Food_Kitchen +
  visaudactweight.Garbags + visaudactweight.Glass +
  visaudactweight.Leather_Textiles + visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesFurn+
  visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesMatt +
 visaudactweight.Leather_TextilesCar+
  visaudactweight.Metal_Ferrous + visaudactweight.Metal_NonFerrous +
  visaudactweight.Paper +
  visaudactweight.Plastic_BagsFilm + visaudactweight.Plastic_Hard +
  visaudactweight.PlasterBoard + visaudactweight.Polystyrene +
  visaudactweight.Rocks_Bricks + visaudactweight.Rubble +
  visaudactweight.Soil + visaudactweight.Tyres_Rubber +
  visaudactweight.Vegetation_Garden + visaudactweight.Wood_Timber +
  visaudactweight.Wood_Pallets + visaudactweight.Wood_Fencing +
  visaudactweight.Wood_Furniture + visaudactweight.Other_CD +
  visaudactweight.Other_CI + visaudactweight.Hazardous)
  AS MatTotal, ((MatTotal - 
  GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight)/GateKeeperRecs.NetWeight)*100
 as PercentDiff
  FROM visaudactweight, Sites, AuditorNames, CompanyNames, GateKeeperRecs,
  GKeeperNames
  WHERE (visaudactweight.SiteID = Sites.SiteID)
 
 

 

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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Cutter (CF Related)
It can be confusing. Fortunately other's have gone before you on this road.

http://www.trajiklyhip.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/3/12/Configuring-a-Development-Environment-with-Apache-Subversion-TortoiseSVN-and-Subclipse

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Robert Rawlins - Think Blue wrote:
 This is very true Brian, I agree whole heartedly,

 However, in the past I've always found subversion a total pain in the arse
 to setup and configure, it's just very confusing. My guess is that this
 stems from the fact that it was seemingly developed with Linux in mind, with
 command lines and compiling binaries, if they made it a little more
 intuitive to people (I suspect a large number of new developers will opt for
 windows OS as its 'what they know'), instead of the linuxy style methods
 they've used, I'm sure it would be more widely adopted by less experienced
 developers.

 It reminds me of the same reason why so many people pick up the bad habit of
 developing using access databases, it's simply because to a beginner
 developer they seem more accessible than a proper DBMS, As a novice
 developer trying to figure out installation and configuration of MySQL or
 SQL Server is quite confusing, especially when you have to setup management
 studio or phpMyAdmin, whereas the concept of a single file which can be
 easily created in a nice desktop based GUI is very simple to grasp, so most
 novice developers will start with access, especially considering all that
 functionality comes 'out of the box' with m$ office.

 I completely agree that source control through a proper SVN approach will
 pay dividends, but it's just one of those concepts that isn't 

 A) Publicised to people properly, if you mention subversion to most amateur
 developers they would stare blankly back at you, however, ftp is very
 familiar. 

 And.

 B) Accessible and simple enough to implement, even with these 'one touch'
 style solutions that subversion released for windows users.

 They're just my thoughts,

 Another quick gripe is with some of the guides and support documents I've
 read in the past, they're always typical Linux user style blog posts and
 forum remarks, showing a total lack of sympathy toward new and learning
 developers, making wide sweeping statements like 'and then simply update
 your system environment variables, and you're done!'... amateur users won't
 have a clue what you're on about, even someone whom is reasonably
 experienced with Linux development finds that stuff confusing.

 Heh, man I'm in a tired and grouchy mood today, can you tell? Lol

 Sorry for the rantish post chaps,

 Rob

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 20 October 2007 15:43
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

 I was going to say the same thing. This issue isn't really a case of
 Homesite vs. Eclipse, it's about always, always, always using source
 control. Always.


 On 10/19/07, Paul Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
 write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
 again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.
   
 Source control, Source control, Source control or to put it more
 concisely,
 SVN, SVN, SVN!

 There are some great Subversion plugins for CFEclipse :-) Subclipse is the
 one I believe most of the CFEclipse users use...

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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread David McCan
Death to HomeSite+?  You may have gotten your wish.  I got a copy of the web 
CS3 suite with Dreamweaver and could not find a copy of HomeSite+.  It had come 
bundled with previous versions of Dreamweaver. 

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Re: Best technology

2007-10-20 Thread Brian Kotek
Model-Glue has an option to use any ORM that has an adapter available to
provide scaffolding. Right now there are two, Reactor and Transfer. But yes,
both Reactor and Transfer began life outside of Model-Glue, and both work
fine with any framework (or none).

That said, the original poster didn't seem to be asking about ORM, but about
how to change his interface to use AJAX instead of individual page requests.

On 10/20/07, Eric Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Reactor is perfect for that...reactor is used in model-glue to handle CRUD
 ops...I assume it can be used on it's own as well...

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:20 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: SOT: Best technology

 I am looking for the best technology to take some of my old web pages that
 basically do CRUD on database tables and updating them to have a better
 interface.  Basically try to get away from page submissions.

 I am thinking Flex, but does Spry have ways or sending/receiving data as
 it
 is changed so I can update the database table?  It might be easier to take
 my existing CF pages and make them use Spry then to redevelop them in
 Flex.

 The backend to do the data CRUD will be a CFC of some sort.

 I just have not had much time to play with these new languages and hope
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Re: What can PHP do that CF can't?

2007-10-20 Thread Will Tomlinson
Can we please get this worthless thread moved to CFCommunity, Michael?
Please?

Chris

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Which query would be better?

2007-10-20 Thread Will Tomlinson
MySQL 5. 

Which would be the better choice for a report table. I'm concerned and want the 
query to run as fast as possible because there could end up being millions of 
records in it.

I could add the number of fields I need (not worried about the flattening of 
this table and lack of normalization). Instructor1, instructor2, 3, 4, etc.

Then query like this:

AND (e2.instructor1id =
cfqueryparam value=#ARGUMENTS.instructor#
  OR e2.instructor2id =
cfqueryparam value=#ARGUMENTS.instructor#
  OR e2.instructor3id =
cfqueryparam value=#ARGUMENTS.instructor#
)

OR ... I could easily create a list of values, then use the IN keyword:

AND someotherfield IN (cfqueryparam value=#ARGUMENTS.somevaluelist# 
list=yes)

Thanks,
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RE: Which query would be better?

2007-10-20 Thread Dawson, Michael
I have no scientific evidence to back me up, but I would use the second
list method in the query.  I would think that the optimizers would
handle a list better than multiple ORs.  Also, it's easier to read.

If you have control over the structure of the database, you may be
better off changing the structure from having multiple columns
(instructor1id, instructor2id, etc), to a separate table for instructor
enrollments.

Typically, a course management system would have the following tables:

Courses
---
course id
course name

Users
-
user id
user name

Enrollment
--
course id
user id
role

M!ke 

-Original Message-
From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Which query would be better?

MySQL 5. 

Which would be the better choice for a report table. I'm concerned and
want the query to run as fast as possible because there could end up
being millions of records in it.

I could add the number of fields I need (not worried about the
flattening of this table and lack of normalization). Instructor1,
instructor2, 3, 4, etc.

Then query like this:

AND (e2.instructor1id =
cfqueryparam value=#ARGUMENTS.instructor#
  OR e2.instructor2id =
cfqueryparam value=#ARGUMENTS.instructor#
  OR e2.instructor3id =
cfqueryparam value=#ARGUMENTS.instructor#
)

OR ... I could easily create a list of values, then use the IN keyword:

AND someotherfield IN (cfqueryparam value=#ARGUMENTS.somevaluelist#
list=yes)

Thanks,
Will

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Re: Coldfusion hosting recomendation ?

2007-10-20 Thread NUGROHO NOTO
Thanks Guys...
Yes... I have heard several same good recommendations for cfdynamics. 
will ask and test their speed from japan. 

One thing I want to make sure...
If I am going to build a dedicated machine, ...should I still try to find a 
coldfusion hosting ? ...or... any windows support hosting will do fine (in this 
case, I have to install / manage all coldfusion related setting).

I am asking this.. because several years ago... a hosting company in Japan 
(windows based) they refused my inquiry because they did not support 
coldfusion. 
Hmm... I wonder... why did they refuse ? ..since I have my own dedicated 
server, my own coldfusion web server.. etc. 


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cfimage generating a color pallette from an image

2007-10-20 Thread Matthew Friedman
I need to generate a color pallate for a user to select the correct HEX color 
to match a color used in an image.

can CFimage pull the colors from an image?

If not, does anyone have a suggestion.

Thanks
Matt Friedman 

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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I've started using a subversion vmware appliance in the free vmware
player.  Best of both worlds there.



On 10/20/07, Cutter (CF Related) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It can be confusing. Fortunately other's have gone before you on this road.

 http://www.trajiklyhip.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/3/12/Configuring-a-Development-Environment-with-Apache-Subversion-TortoiseSVN-and-Subclipse

 Steve 'Cutter' Blades
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 Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
 
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 The best way to predict the future is to help create it



 Robert Rawlins - Think Blue wrote:
  This is very true Brian, I agree whole heartedly,
 
  However, in the past I've always found subversion a total pain in the arse
  to setup and configure, it's just very confusing. My guess is that this
  stems from the fact that it was seemingly developed with Linux in mind, with
  command lines and compiling binaries, if they made it a little more
  intuitive to people (I suspect a large number of new developers will opt for
  windows OS as its 'what they know'), instead of the linuxy style methods
  they've used, I'm sure it would be more widely adopted by less experienced
  developers.
 
  It reminds me of the same reason why so many people pick up the bad habit of
  developing using access databases, it's simply because to a beginner
  developer they seem more accessible than a proper DBMS, As a novice
  developer trying to figure out installation and configuration of MySQL or
  SQL Server is quite confusing, especially when you have to setup management
  studio or phpMyAdmin, whereas the concept of a single file which can be
  easily created in a nice desktop based GUI is very simple to grasp, so most
  novice developers will start with access, especially considering all that
  functionality comes 'out of the box' with m$ office.
 
  I completely agree that source control through a proper SVN approach will
  pay dividends, but it's just one of those concepts that isn't
 
  A) Publicised to people properly, if you mention subversion to most amateur
  developers they would stare blankly back at you, however, ftp is very
  familiar.
 
  And.
 
  B) Accessible and simple enough to implement, even with these 'one touch'
  style solutions that subversion released for windows users.
 
  They're just my thoughts,
 
  Another quick gripe is with some of the guides and support documents I've
  read in the past, they're always typical Linux user style blog posts and
  forum remarks, showing a total lack of sympathy toward new and learning
  developers, making wide sweeping statements like 'and then simply update
  your system environment variables, and you're done!'... amateur users won't
  have a clue what you're on about, even someone whom is reasonably
  experienced with Linux development finds that stuff confusing.
 
  Heh, man I'm in a tired and grouchy mood today, can you tell? Lol
 
  Sorry for the rantish post chaps,
 
  Rob
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 20 October 2007 15:43
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE
 
  I was going to say the same thing. This issue isn't really a case of
  Homesite vs. Eclipse, it's about always, always, always using source
  control. Always.
 
 
  On 10/19/07, Paul Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
  write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
  again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.
 
  Source control, Source control, Source control or to put it more
  concisely,
  SVN, SVN, SVN!
 
  There are some great Subversion plugins for CFEclipse :-) Subclipse is the
  one I believe most of the CFEclipse users use...
 
  Paul
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: Coldfusion hosting recomendation ?

2007-10-20 Thread Paul Hastings
NUGROHO NOTO wrote:
 Thanks Guys... Yes... I have heard several same good recommendations for
 cfdynamics.

i'll also echo the recommendations for cfdynamics. they are so reliable i
sometimes forget exactly who we're hosting with ;-)

 One thing I want to make sure... If I am going to build a dedicated machine,
 ...should I still try to find a coldfusion hosting ? ...or... any windows
 support hosting will do fine (in this case, I have to install / manage all
 coldfusion related setting).

while you might find more  cheaper plain windows hosts, having somebody who 
knows coldfusion certainly won't hurt.

 I am asking this.. because several years ago... a hosting company in Japan
 (windows based) they refused my inquiry because they did not support
 coldfusion. Hmm... I wonder... why did they refuse ? ..since I have my own
 dedicated server, my own coldfusion web server.. etc.

because never say never, while you think you'll never need any help w/cf on 
the dedicated box i bet they're experience is different.

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RE: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Rick Faircloth
Which subversion appliance are you using?

Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:39 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE
 
 I've started using a subversion vmware appliance in the free vmware
 player.  Best of both worlds there.
 
 
 




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Re: Coldfusion hosting recomendation ?

2007-10-20 Thread NUGROHO NOTO
Thanks. 
I will try to contact cfdynamic.com
regarding moving database etc... which I feel a bit scary how to do this.
also... this database moving will involving Paul (for unicode translation)
So... any personal name recommendation I should contact ? I need someone who 
can explain to me in an EASY to understand language. 
(I am not a server admin... so... never do like this before)



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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
This one.

http://www.young-technologies.com/Software/Subversion-Virtual-Machine/



On 10/20/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Which subversion appliance are you using?

 Rick

  -Original Message-
  From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:39 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE
 
  I've started using a subversion vmware appliance in the free vmware
  player.  Best of both worlds there.
 
 
 




 

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Re: Coldfusion hosting recomendation ?

2007-10-20 Thread Paul Hastings
NUGROHO NOTO wrote:
 Thanks. 
 I will try to contact cfdynamic.com
 regarding moving database etc... which I feel a bit scary how to do this.

if you have books-on-line installed, have a look at the Copying Databases to 
Other Servers section. as you can see there are a bunch of ways to handle 
this, 
but mainly:

- live server-to-server (bcp, DTS, replication, etc.)
- dead backup-restore

i'd recommend the dead method which you can easily test with your current 
remote production sql server  your local dev one. do a full backup of your 
production db, copy it local, then try restoring it on your dev box.


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