Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
The problem with that Dave is that even the Enterprise customers won't be able to find developers eventually, if the small business and educational use is left behind. We're already starting to see this developer shortage and eventually companies are going to get tired of having to train developers when they can use other platforms and pull from a readily-available pool of trained and experienced people. It may not be considered the most forward thinking answer, but Adobe also has a pretty long history of pulling their fat out of the frier and of managing to popularize technologies that nobody wants. PDF for example when it was first introduced was given the response of documents that look the same on different machines? Who the hell needs that? -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298304 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
Yeah, they would have a fix alright... our next version will be out in 3 months... $695 for the upgrade that will include several bug fixes. For a fix for google webservice integration its far more likely that Adobe would provide the fix as a hot-fix than roll it into an update with a separate license. After all, the integration would only be replacing code you can already write yourself in CF, so the lack of a fix wouldn't mean being unable to use the webservice, it would just mean some hours of redrafting your integration. And the accompanying frustration of the developers and companies that had integrated it. For them their only incentives would be to provide it as a hot-fix -- anything else would be nothin'-but-negative for them. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298305 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
SOT: top file extensions on the nt
i am subscribed to google alerts for coldfusion 8 and just received this link to http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com.au/topics/article.asp?DocID=1288818 apart from a somewhat worrying subject of the article (it is actually an excerpt from a book), it contains an interesting googling result - top 30 file extensions on the net. i am not gonna bother you with the complete list, just top 5: HTML 4,960,000,000 HTM 1,730,000,000 PHP 1,050,000,000 ASP 831,000,000 CFM 481,000,000 --- Azadi Saryev Sabai-dee.com http://www.sabai-dee.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298306 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Secure login system
On Tuesday 05 Feb 2008, Peterson, Chris wrote: add a captcha to the login screen ... would stop any mass-login attempt A lot of CAPTCHA can be defeated by OCR, even complicated ones can be broken (say) 30% of the time, if the protected service is worth that (like, say, Yahoo) people will do it. And you can break 100% of CAPTCHA if you perform a sort of man-in-the-middle attack and offer free porn for a person solving it. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to continuously develop fine-grained e-services on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298307 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFDOCUMENT not working
Hi My my site, i used CFDOCUMENT tag to generate a dynamic PDF file and save it to physical location. It used to work properly. Now it is not working at all. The page hangs up when the PDF file generation code is parsed. Can anyone please help me on this issue? thanks in advance. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298308 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFAJAX: Can't pass parameter.
Use Firebug to watch the request. Those requests should show on your 'Console' tab, and when expanded you can view the 'Post' variables. I'm betting you have a casing issue. JS is picky like that, and I've been caught more than a few times over the years. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com AJ Mercer wrote: in the cfc, send yourself a dump of ARGUMENTS then you will see everything coming in Maybe a typo in the variable name On Feb 6, 2008 2:41 PM, RobG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I'm stuck. I fixed my previous problem (JSON-related), and now that I've moved onto writing some of my own code, I've hit a snag where I cannot seem to get a value passed via AJAX. Basically, I'm trying to pass a number into my ajax CFC to be acted on. I've looked at browser source code to verify that the value is in the JS function that gets clicked on... I've added an Alert to the JS function just prior to calling the ajax instance and it's good there too. I've used CFLOG just inside the CFC to see what arguments.the_value is, and it's always zero. I have the cfargument set to receive type=numeric and required=true. I've been using the tutorial at LearnCF.com as my guide, since their tutorial runs perfectly, including the part that passes the string that gets reversed. So I'm stumped. I even used Firebug and saw that the parameter was in fact passed. But the CFC seems to be losing it somehow. Any ideas? Thanks! Rob ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298309 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CF and Accessible PDF generation
Right now any dynamic document generation for PDF will not support the tagged format (which is necessary to make accessible). I've talked to Adobe til I'm blue in the face. Maybe some others saying the same thing will help. Historically, Macromedia used 3rd party libraries to create PDF's via CFDocument and the report generator. Since Adobe bought Macromedia, they can use their libraries and the tagged PDF format in CF, but they haven't done the work to change out the libraries. It would be a huge boon, especially to government clients (who are not happy when I tell them that dynamically generated PDF's cannot be made accessible). Sandra Clark = http://www.shayna.com Training and Consulting in CSS and Accessibility Team Fusebox -Original Message- From: R Knutson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF and Accessible PDF generation Are there any good resource that discuss the hows and whys of making PDF documents created by ColdFusion features such as cfdocument... and cfreport... to be as accessible as possible. How one sets the language meta data, how one creates 'taged' pdf files, ect. I guess you did not an answer on this. It seems pretty silly of Adobe to give us a great tag but leave it crippled. These days, there is simply no excuse for inaccessible web pages, pdfs, or docs. -- remaining flex-free until it is accessible too ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298310 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
Yeah, I still remember when they changed the javascript functions that were generated with CFTREE somewhere around the transition from 4.0 to 5.0 That had a pretty big effect on one of our applications because it actually used the functions and now it became unusable with the change they did. Had we waited for a 100% reverse compatible fix, well we would still be waiting, but I can at least dream that if tags are offered to integrate with 3rd parties that Adobe would update the tags to match changes those parties might do. On Feb 5, 2008 10:14 PM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, they would have a fix alright... our next version will be out in 3 months... $695 for the upgrade that will include several bug fixes. -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys* Even if Google did change things, it means a custom solution would break and need to be revised just like a store bought solution would. So if CF9 had it built into the language and for some reason Google changed their way of doing things then I would surely hope Adobe would come out with a fix. On Feb 5, 2008 9:47 PM, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/5/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contractor: I have some phone messages that I left with your secretary, I have been trying to get in touch with you. Google has now released their newest version and the version that your system was built is no longer supported. The flaw with this being that google doesn't seem to drop support for old API versions that aren't beta I've noticed the adwords API URLs included version numbers. -- Rick Root New Brian Vander Ark Album, songs in the music player and cool behind the scenes video at www.myspace.com/brianvanderark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298311 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SOT: top file extensions on the nt
On Wednesday 06 Feb 2008, Azadi Saryev wrote: HTML 4,960,000,000 You do know you can have CFML templates with .html extensions, right ? Or any other extension, for that matter. It doesn't mean anything. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to interactively disintermediate performance-oriented models on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298312 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
Thanks Josh. I hadn't really looked through them recently, though I was thinking specifically about case studies of companies moving to CF from competing technologies like PHP or MS SharePoint. It was my impression (though I could be wrong) that their case studies were generally confined to new projects rather than having any focus on platform transitions. Showing platform transitions would be good cases for showing comparative strength of the technology to give people an idea of areas where CF may be better suited for a specific project. Having more of that focus out there might produce better results with regard to what we perceive as an overall bad rep for ColdFusion where people are always leaving in droves from a technology that's been around since before all the others were even conceived and yet shows no particular signs of going anywhere any time soon. :P Just wasn't sure if I'd made that notion clear in my previous post. :) Hey, if any of you would like to write some of those articles for Fusion Authority, we'd be happy to put them out there on the website. But - as one of the admins here, I do have to remind that this thread is OT for this technical mailing list and should be moved to CF-OT. Judith ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298313 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: top file extensions on the nt
I also wonder how a Fusebox site would increment that count? There's only ' index.cfm'. On Feb 6, 2008 8:37 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 06 Feb 2008, Azadi Saryev wrote: HTML 4,960,000,000 You do know you can have CFML templates with .html extensions, right ? Or any other extension, for that matter. It doesn't mean anything. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to interactively disintermediate performance-oriented models on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298314 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SOT: top file extensions on the nt
Tom Chiverton wrote: You do know you can have CFML templates with .html extensions, right ? Or any other extension, for that matter. To be fair, that could also be said of any other non-HTML extension in the list. However it also misses out the fact many sites don't use extensions at all, with mod_rewrite URLs and that kind of thing. It doesn't mean anything. Agree on that. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298315 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Anyone using BlazeDS?
Rick... The server I'm thinking of is our staging server. The only time it even has any connections is when one of us is testing out code that's already been developed on our personal machines. I think the only way to know for certain is to just install it. -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone using BlazeDS? On 2/4/08, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone used Blaze, and have some wisdom to share? The potential number of client machines running this app is between 60 and 100. How would Blaze handle this? While we can't be sure, I don't think BlazeDS would have any problem with messaging for 100 clients. Even in a chat type application where the messaging would be pretty significant for 100 clients in an active room. Does/should it run on the same machine as the CF server? It can. Whether or not it should depends purely on your needs. the messaging part of BlazeDS probably doesn't take a lot of cycles, so as long as those 100 clients aren't bogging your CF down, you could probably run BlazeDS on the same machine just fine. -- Rick Root New Brian Vander Ark Album, songs in the music player and cool behind the scenes video at www.myspace.com/brianvanderark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298316 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
Taken out of the Crayola case study: *Macromedia Products: *Five Macromedia ColdFusion Studio 4.5, 4 Macromedia ColdFusion Enterprise 4.5.1, Macromedia Flash, Dreamweaver, Dreamweaver UltraDev, Fireworks, FreeHand And this is just an example of the content of these case studies! Really, either Adobe take out these slightly ;-) outdated pages, or they revamp/update them a little... A prospect or IT who is shown this kind of page will run away from CF, IMHO!!! (I just hope this doesn't reflect the commitment level of Adobe...) Albert On 2/5/08, Josh Nathanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They should put out a request specifically for people who are switching to CF to contact them for use in their marketing materials as case studies. They might get for example that FigLeaf client Dave Watts mentioned. Good idea. They do have quite a few case studies already, but you can never have too many. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/customers/ -- Josh - Original Message - From: s. isaac dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better I'm not surprised. The big question continues to be What can Adobe do to promote ColdFusion? CF gets press on releases, and Adobe has actively and aggressively marketed toward the government IT sector for a few years now. I just want to see the articles that say Yeah, we're migrating from .Net to ColdFusion. It's just a much more dynamic and integrated platform. They should put out a request specifically for people who are switching to CF to contact them for use in their marketing materials as case studies. They might get for example that FigLeaf client Dave Watts mentioned. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298317 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: File upload
I check the file name and see if it already exists in the database. If it does, then I return the error. If it doesn't exist, then go and perform the cffile action. This is the way you see it, but not the best and easiest way to do it. This is the way I do it: - upload the file and rename it on the server with a unique local name, ie: CreateUUID() - store in the database both the local name and the original name. This way, you can have several files with the same original name. When a user retrieves a file, you can read it using the local name, and send it under the original name, users will never see the local name. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298318 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
Well it's always possible that Crayola JUST switched away from that. :) -Original Message- From: Beru [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better Taken out of the Crayola case study: *Macromedia Products: *Five Macromedia ColdFusion Studio 4.5, 4 Macromedia ColdFusion Enterprise 4.5.1, Macromedia Flash, Dreamweaver, Dreamweaver UltraDev, Fireworks, FreeHand And this is just an example of the content of these case studies! Really, either Adobe take out these slightly ;-) outdated pages, or they revamp/update them a little... A prospect or IT who is shown this kind of page will run away from CF, IMHO!!! (I just hope this doesn't reflect the commitment level of Adobe...) Albert On 2/5/08, Josh Nathanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They should put out a request specifically for people who are switching to CF to contact them for use in their marketing materials as case studies. They might get for example that FigLeaf client Dave Watts mentioned. Good idea. They do have quite a few case studies already, but you can never have too many. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/customers/ -- Josh - Original Message - From: s. isaac dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better I'm not surprised. The big question continues to be What can Adobe do to promote ColdFusion? CF gets press on releases, and Adobe has actively and aggressively marketed toward the government IT sector for a few years now. I just want to see the articles that say Yeah, we're migrating from .Net to ColdFusion. It's just a much more dynamic and integrated platform. They should put out a request specifically for people who are switching to CF to contact them for use in their marketing materials as case studies. They might get for example that FigLeaf client Dave Watts mentioned. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298319 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Transact SQL question has me stumped
Dennis... Learn something new everyday. I guess I did not know there was bit operator in CF :) -Original Message- From: Dennis Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Transact SQL question has me stumped Mark, I knew I would most likely not explain it properly. The existing database has a column that contains values that are typed as a BigInt. I have a filter that gets constructed from Bit values for example: the filter = 129 which was constructed from bit 1 binary + bit 8 Binary 1 + 128. What I need to do is write a select statement where it returns all rows that where the BigInt column has bit 1 AND Bit 128. So it would select rows where the bigInt column contained: 1 3 5 128 129 384 385 SELECT mycolumns FROM mytable WHERE ? Thanks! Best Regards, Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A website design and Hosting Company 690 Wolcott Road P.O. Box 6029 Wolcott, CT 06716 Tel: (203)879-2844 http://www.uxbinternet.com/ http://www.uxb.net/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298320 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CF and Scheduled Tasks...
Is there anyway to configure the CF to run a scheduled task every M-W-F at a specified time? Schedule the task for everyday, and have the task check for the day and CFABORT on bad days. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298321 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Transact SQL question has me stumped
I meant... I didn't know there was a bit operator in MSSQL ... In my defense I'm not feeling well today and I've had a variety of pills of dubious quality and nature. -mk -Original Message- From: Mark Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Transact SQL question has me stumped Dennis... Learn something new everyday. I guess I did not know there was bit operator in CF :) -Original Message- From: Dennis Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Transact SQL question has me stumped Mark, I knew I would most likely not explain it properly. The existing database has a column that contains values that are typed as a BigInt. I have a filter that gets constructed from Bit values for example: the filter = 129 which was constructed from bit 1 binary + bit 8 Binary 1 + 128. What I need to do is write a select statement where it returns all rows that where the BigInt column has bit 1 AND Bit 128. So it would select rows where the bigInt column contained: 1 3 5 128 129 384 385 SELECT mycolumns FROM mytable WHERE ? Thanks! Best Regards, Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A website design and Hosting Company 690 Wolcott Road P.O. Box 6029 Wolcott, CT 06716 Tel: (203)879-2844 http://www.uxbinternet.com/ http://www.uxb.net/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298322 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Error on site - Error converting data type varchar to numeric
I'll wager somebody's description includes a comma. I'll reinforce: use cfqueryparam ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298323 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
CFC, YES OR NO
Hi: I am using CF for while now but I have no other programing background. I used Lynda.com video tutorials to learn CF and some other online tutorials like EasyCFM.com. Several days efore I recieved two new CF8 tutorials from Lynda.com(Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Essential Training | Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Beyond the Basics) but I got confused completely! David Gassner the tutor has a complete plan to talks about many corners of CF but he starts using CFCs very soon at the middle of the first tutorial. He mentions you can never use CFCs and make all the application using simple CF tags but knowing CFCs helps you make it more reusable and manageable. I found CFCs VERY confusing for myself. I tried to learn it but I didn't get it completely. Maybe because I have no programing background with other languages other than HTML. What do you think? Should I learn it? Does it gradually become the core of CF programing to use CFCs? Please write me your opinions, knowledge and experiences about the subject. Thanks Benign ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298324 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
On Wednesday 06 Feb 2008, Ali wrote: Maybe because I have no programing background with other languages other than HTML. Ahh. What do you think? I think you need a course on basic object orientated design principles e.g. classes, methods, encapsulation, abstraction, inheritance etc. Should I learn it? I'd say yes. Other people swear by doing everything with cfinclude :-) Does it gradually become the core of CF programing to use CFCs? For projects of any sort of scale, yes. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to vitalistically enhance bricks-and-clicks models on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298325 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
Ali, Definitely stick with it, for more complicated web applications CFC's really do become essential. You can of course build large applications without the use of CFC's as we all did before components came about but it tends to get messy (thats not saying cfc's automatically make things tidy God knows I have seen some pretty messy applications using CFC's). CFC's aren't all that complicated when you think about it. You can think of cfc's as simply collections of functions grouped in a file by subject. For example a user.cfc would contain all the functions that would work with users (insert, update, delete, select etc). I would definitely recommend taking a basic programming course or getting a book on programming from your local library. -- Gary Gilbert http://www.garyrgilbert.com/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298326 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
The problem with that Dave is that even the Enterprise customers won't be able to find developers eventually, if the small business and educational use is left behind. We're already starting to see this developer shortage and eventually companies are going to get tired of having to train developers when they can use other platforms and pull from a readily-available pool of trained and experienced people. I just wonder if there isn't more that we as a community can do to pressure Adobe or at least try to make them see the error of this approach. Seriously, there is simply no way they will be successful long-term targeting solely an Enterprise market and that's just going to hurt all of us in the end. The only way you can pressure a company is to not buy its products. And, for what it's worth, targeting the enterprise is what every Java vendor does - even the open-source ones. You don't see small businesses or freelancers building J2EE web applications. I wonder how Java's doing? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298327 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CFC, YES OR NO
Hi, The answer is a definite yes, you need to learn how to use CFCs. In fact, just as in David Gassner's tutorials, in my own ColdFusion books I introduce CFCs very early, and make them very usable and without adding complexity. You are probably going to get quite a few responses to this message, and many may suggest that you adopt full blown frameworks and learn some object oriented basics. And while there is validity to those suggestions, you may want to start much simpler than that. If, initially, you do nothing more than tier your app so that all database access is via centralized CFC methods, and never in .cfm files directly, that alone will be a major step in the right direction. -- Ben -Original Message- From: Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFC, YES OR NO Hi: I am using CF for while now but I have no other programing background. I used Lynda.com video tutorials to learn CF and some other online tutorials like EasyCFM.com. Several days efore I recieved two new CF8 tutorials from Lynda.com(Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Essential Training | Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Beyond the Basics) but I got confused completely! David Gassner the tutor has a complete plan to talks about many corners of CF but he starts using CFCs very soon at the middle of the first tutorial. He mentions you can never use CFCs and make all the application using simple CF tags but knowing CFCs helps you make it more reusable and manageable. I found CFCs VERY confusing for myself. I tried to learn it but I didn't get it completely. Maybe because I have no programing background with other languages other than HTML. What do you think? Should I learn it? Does it gradually become the core of CF programing to use CFCs? Please write me your opinions, knowledge and experiences about the subject. Thanks Benign ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298328 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
Here is a language agnostic tutorial: http://homepages.north.londonmet.ac.uk/~chalkp/proj/ootutor/index.html Having a closer look at that tutorial I think there will certainly be a better one out there! Apologies Dominic -- Blog it up: http://fusion.dominicwatson.co.uk ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298330 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CFC, YES OR NO
Benign I'm sure everyone on this list will say yes to learning oop right away. Well, almost everyone. I'll point you instead to productivityenhancement.com where you can download a framework called PLUM. Plum is a framework that uses the best of what coldfusion was designed to be...a quick, easy to learn, scripting language that makes extensive use of custom tags. Download plum, work through the tutorials you'll be building scalable, robust applications in half the development time as the more seasoned oop developers do. Plum makes extensive use of CFC's, but it also has a few dozen custom tags that make development much faster and easier to learn and creates a natural procedural/oop hybrid framework. Not only will you be up and running much faster, but as you delve into the framework's code, you'll learn, by osmosis, best practices for coldfusion development. When you are ready to learn oop, start with an oop language (oop + coldfusion is a bit of a hack), like AS 3.0 or java or .net/c#. Mark -Original Message- From: Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFC, YES OR NO Hi: I am using CF for while now but I have no other programing background. I used Lynda.com video tutorials to learn CF and some other online tutorials like EasyCFM.com. Several days efore I recieved two new CF8 tutorials from Lynda.com(Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Essential Training | Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Beyond the Basics) but I got confused completely! David Gassner the tutor has a complete plan to talks about many corners of CF but he starts using CFCs very soon at the middle of the first tutorial. He mentions you can never use CFCs and make all the application using simple CF tags but knowing CFCs helps you make it more reusable and manageable. I found CFCs VERY confusing for myself. I tried to learn it but I didn't get it completely. Maybe because I have no programing background with other languages other than HTML. What do you think? Should I learn it? Does it gradually become the core of CF programing to use CFCs? Please write me your opinions, knowledge and experiences about the subject. Thanks Benign ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298331 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
You can think of cfc's as simply collections of functions grouped in a file by subject. That's certainly a good starting point but I think getting to grips with the concepts of OOP (object oriented programming) before even looking at CFCs is perhaps going to give you a better start. I think once you get a hint of what OO is about, you will suddenly get an urge to start using CFCs in an OO way (if you're as much a geek as I anyhow). Learn OO on paper, then go back to the CFC tutorials. Here is a language agnostic tutorial: http://homepages.north.londonmet.ac.uk/~chalkp/proj/ootutor/index.html There are probably better one's though so have a look around. It is worth noting, that CFCs are not neccessarily OO, but can absolutely be used as such. CFCs can be thought of as 'Classes' or 'Objects' in OO terms. HTH, happy reading Dominic -- Blog it up: http://fusion.dominicwatson.co.uk ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298329 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
stupid cfscript/javascript question
Ive completely forgotten how to do this
.
I have this script
cfscript
function show_new(dt)
{
if(DateDiff(d,dt,Now()) LT 30)
{ return 'font color=redNew!/font'; };
return '';
}
/cfscript
I need to call it inside a li tag
li style=list-style-type:square; margin-left:-18px; margin-right: 8px;
How do I do this
.
sas
--
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RE: stupid cfscript/javascript question
I have this script cfscript function show_new(dt) ... I need to call it inside a li tag li style=list-style-type:square; margin-left:-18px; margin-right: 8px; li ...cfoutput#show_new(your_date_variable)#/cfoutput/li Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298334 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFC, YES OR NO
Just to add another voice to the chatter knowing CFCs helps you make it more reusable and manageable This is definitely one benefit of using CFCs. Arguably you can do this without components, but when combined with other tools available to the ColdFusion community, CFCs become the best way of achieving code reuse. I found CFCs VERY confusing for myself. You're not alone. Everyone who first delves into the concept of object oriented programming has some level of confusion because you have to change the way you think about your code. But, like everyone else, once you study up on it for a while, you'll start to see how much time and effort it can save you. What do you think? Should I learn it? I'll say whole-heartedly yes. Most advanced developers (in any language) that you talk to these days incorporate some level of OOP in their applications. It's good for your career as a developer! :) Does it gradually become the core of CF programing to use CFCs? In most cases, I would say yes. Beyond simple brochure-ware web sites and very simplistic applications, CFCs will eventually become an integral part of how you develop applications. Good luck. - Steve Brownlee -Original Message- From: Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFC, YES OR NO Hi: I am using CF for while now but I have no other programing background. I used Lynda.com video tutorials to learn CF and some other online tutorials like EasyCFM.com. Several days efore I recieved two new CF8 tutorials from Lynda.com(Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Essential Training | Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Beyond the Basics) but I got confused completely! David Gassner the tutor has a complete plan to talks about many corners of CF but he starts using CFCs very soon at the middle of the first tutorial. He mentions you can never use CFCs and make all the application using simple CF tags but knowing CFCs helps you make it more reusable and manageable. I found CFCs VERY confusing for myself. I tried to learn it but I didn't get it completely. Maybe because I have no programing background with other languages other than HTML. What do you think? Should I learn it? Does it gradually become the core of CF programing to use CFCs? Please write me your opinions, knowledge and experiences about the subject. Thanks Benign ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298338 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: stupid cfscript/javascript question
Call it inline
liMy list itemscript
type=text/javascriptmyFunctionCall();/script/li
Nothing to do with your problem, but check out jQuery if you want an easier
life with JS.
Adrian
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart
Sent: 06 February 2008 16:43
To: CF-Talk
Subject: stupid cfscript/javascript question
Ive completely forgotten how to do this
.
I have this script
cfscript
function show_new(dt)
{
if(DateDiff(d,dt,Now()) LT 30)
{ return 'font color=redNew!/font'; };
return '';
}
/cfscript
I need to call it inside a li tag
li style=list-style-type:square; margin-left:-18px; margin-right: 8px;
How do I do this
.
sas
--
Scott Stewart
ColdFusion Developer
SSTWebworks
4405 Oakshyre Way
Raleigh, NC. 27616
(919) 874-6229 (home)
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RE: stupid cfscript/javascript question
li#show_new(value)#/li
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: stupid cfscript/javascript question
I've completely forgotten how to do this..
I have this script
cfscript
function show_new(dt)
{
if(DateDiff(d,dt,Now()) LT 30)
{ return 'font color=redNew!/font'; };
return '';
}
/cfscript
I need to call it inside a li tag
li style=list-style-type:square; margin-left:-18px; margin-right: 8px;
How do I do this..
sas
--
Scott Stewart
ColdFusion Developer
SSTWebworks
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Raleigh, NC. 27616
(919) 874-6229 (home)
(703) 220-2835 (cell)
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Re: CFC, YES OR NO
On Feb 6, 2008 7:26 PM, Ben Forta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The answer is a definite yes, you need to learn how to use CFCs. In fact, just as in David Gassner's tutorials, in my own ColdFusion books I introduce CFCs very early, and make them very usable and without adding complexity. You are probably going to get quite a few responses to this message, and many may suggest that you adopt full blown frameworks and learn some object oriented basics. And while there is validity to those suggestions, you may want to start much simpler than that. If, initially, you do nothing more than tier your app so that all database access is via centralized CFC methods, and never in .cfm files directly, that alone will be a major step in the right direction. -- Ben Thanks Ben for the reply. I took your advice and working to use CFCs for specific uses like Login or my DB connections. Still very confusing for me especially because your new book CFWACK 8 is not available in my area yet and the only book I could buy from the older series is Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Application Development which is much higher than my programing languages understanding level. As you said some kind repliers suggested some frameworks and mostly suggested I use CFC. But What I really need to know is: Does these frameworks make things easier or just more complicated. I'm working on a small-medium sized application and I hope I can use some CFCs there but a framework if it makes everything even working with CFCs easier would a huge help. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks in advance Ben Ali ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298339 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: stupid cfscript/javascript question
li style=list-style-type:square; margin-left:-18px; margin-right: 8px; cfoutput #show_new(dt)# /cfoutput /li -- Gary Gilbert http://www.garyrgilbert.com/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298336 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: converting Word doc to text with cf8 on the fly?
Has anyone done that? the CFcontent tag is the closest thing pops up, it does some job but still have tons of garbage. If possible I prefer not to use third party bla bla. I do not think there is a way to extract text only from a binary Word document without using a third party component such as POI http://poi.apache.org/hwpf/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298335 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: stupid cfscript/javascript question
*whistles*
I hope no one see my reply :OS
*whistles*
-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 06 February 2008 16:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: stupid cfscript/javascript question
Call it inline
liMy list itemscript
type=text/javascriptmyFunctionCall();/script/li
Nothing to do with your problem, but check out jQuery if you want an easier
life with JS.
Adrian
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart
Sent: 06 February 2008 16:43
To: CF-Talk
Subject: stupid cfscript/javascript question
Ive completely forgotten how to do this
.
I have this script
cfscript
function show_new(dt)
{
if(DateDiff(d,dt,Now()) LT 30)
{ return 'font color=redNew!/font'; };
return '';
}
/cfscript
I need to call it inside a li tag
li style=list-style-type:square; margin-left:-18px; margin-right: 8px;
How do I do this
.
sas
--
Scott Stewart
ColdFusion Developer
SSTWebworks
4405 Oakshyre Way
Raleigh, NC. 27616
(919) 874-6229 (home)
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Re: CFC, YES OR NO
I personally think then don't delve into CFCs and OO at the sametime. Nothing says CFCs need to be done in an OO fashion. In the long run though OO is a good thing for any developer to learn. Seems like most books that teach CF do not jump straight into CFCs and OO at the same time although maybe I am dating myself in how long it has been since I thumbed through a CF book. On Feb 6, 2008 10:59 AM, Steve Brownlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're not alone. Everyone who first delves into the concept of object oriented programming has some level of confusion because you have to change the way you think about your code. But, like everyone else, once you study up on it for a while, you'll start to see how much time and effort it can save you. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298341 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: One more image question..
Is it possible for Coldfusion to convert these files to be similar enough to overlay them? You could overlay the images using the java image classes. Though I do not know if the transparency will work the way you are expecting. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298342 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: stupid cfscript/javascript question
Thanks all...
Sorry for the brain fart
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SSTWebworks
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From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: stupid cfscript/javascript question
li#show_new(value)#/li
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: stupid cfscript/javascript question
I've completely forgotten how to do this..
I have this script
cfscript
function show_new(dt)
{
if(DateDiff(d,dt,Now()) LT 30)
{ return 'font color=redNew!/font'; };
return '';
}
/cfscript
I need to call it inside a li tag
li style=list-style-type:square; margin-left:-18px; margin-right: 8px;
How do I do this..
sas
--
Scott Stewart
ColdFusion Developer
SSTWebworks
4405 Oakshyre Way
Raleigh, NC. 27616
(919) 874-6229 (home)
(703) 220-2835 (cell)
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Re: CFAJAX: Can't pass parameter.
Cutter (CFRelated) wrote:
Use Firebug to watch the request. Those requests should show on your
'Console' tab, and when expanded you can view the 'Post' variables. I'm
betting you have a casing issue. JS is picky like that, and I've been
caught more than a few times over the years.
Thanks guys for the response. Here's what I've learned...
I did a dump of Arguments and my value is still zero in there.
Definitely no misspelling or case issues (it's all lowercase).
I watched the requests in Firebug and the value IS showing up. In fact,
get this... this is happening in two different CFCs. In one, I pass in
a userid value (checking for private messages -- this is a forum package
I wrote). Since I couldn't get it working, I cheated and just accessed
cookie.userid. That got that one at least usable, if not ideally.
Now on this next one, I'm passing in threadid, but I have no other way
to get it in. I tried setting request.threadid just before the call,
but that didn't seem to work.
So anwyay, back to Firebug. Here's what I see under the Console tab,
Params sub-tab:
argumentCollection {threadid:44841}
Likewise, in the previous one that handles PMs, I look in there and I
see the proper userid too. But for whatever reason, the CFC is
completely blind to it.
Rob
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Re: stupid cfscript/javascript question
Is that what I smell. I thought the guy in the cube next to me broke wind. :) Bruce Scott Stewart wrote: Thanks all... Sorry for the brain fart ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298345 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
Our business is sort of an ASP model where we have a single, main application to which we essentially sell subscriptions to large clients. Over the years, those clients have demanded unique changes to the app that have caused the main code base to split into separate versions. Currently we run CF multi-server on JRun, so we have an instance for each of our clients. For some reason, we've always found this desirable, though we've never really seen any clear benefits other than being able to maintain separate CFAdmin settings and restart an instance without affecting all of our clients. We now wish to consolidate our code into a single app that pulls in custom styles, pages, features, content as necessary. One way to make this happen is to have a single application (code base) running on a single CF instance that pulls in custom materials from client directories where necessary. I having a feeling that moving from multi-instance to single-instance is going to be a hard sell. I have been picking up tidbits of information about CF8 that lead me to wonder if multi-instance CF is something on the wane anyway. Can anyone shed some light? I have more questions, but I will leave it at this for now. Any comments? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298346 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
Currently we run CF multi-server on JRun, so we have an instance for each of our clients. For some reason, we've always found this desirable, though we've never really seen any clear benefits other than being able to maintain separate CFAdmin settings and restart an instance without affecting all of our clients. Those are pretty important benefits, at least the latter, right? I having a feeling that moving from multi-instance to single-instance is going to be a hard sell. I have been picking up tidbits of information about CF8 that lead me to wonder if multi-instance CF is something on the wane anyway. I don't think it's on the wane - the people who used that functionality with CF 6.x/7 will probably continue using it with CF 8. Not everyone needs it, but it's still as valuable as ever to those who do. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298347 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
Steven, I would say that it is still quite important - especially if you wish to leverage more memory on a larger server. -mark -Original Message- From: Steven Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? Our business is sort of an ASP model where we have a single, main application to which we essentially sell subscriptions to large clients. Over the years, those clients have demanded unique changes to the app that have caused the main code base to split into separate versions. Currently we run CF multi-server on JRun, so we have an instance for each of our clients. For some reason, we've always found this desirable, though we've never really seen any clear benefits other than being able to maintain separate CFAdmin settings and restart an instance without affecting all of our clients. We now wish to consolidate our code into a single app that pulls in custom styles, pages, features, content as necessary. One way to make this happen is to have a single application (code base) running on a single CF instance that pulls in custom materials from client directories where necessary. I having a feeling that moving from multi-instance to single-instance is going to be a hard sell. I have been picking up tidbits of information about CF8 that lead me to wonder if multi-instance CF is something on the wane anyway. Can anyone shed some light? I have more questions, but I will leave it at this for now. Any comments? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298348 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
I agree with Dave. If customers feel they need control over their servers, then they have that choice. Only other reason for mutli-instance would be mappings / unique custom tags that they didn't want to make global and such. I'm finding that the new mappings that you can do in CF8's Application.cfc are godsend for me at work. Prior to 8, I had avoided global custom tags because we do shared hosting here and everything is spread around a couple of boxes. With 8's new mappings, I can programatically setup the custom tag directory as well as other mappings. It makes moving things around so much easier and in my opinion lessens the need for mutli-instance even further. On Feb 6, 2008 12:50 PM, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently we run CF multi-server on JRun, so we have an instance for each of our clients. For some reason, we've always found this desirable, though we've never really seen any clear benefits other than being able to maintain separate CFAdmin settings and restart an instance without affecting all of our clients. Those are pretty important benefits, at least the latter, right? I having a feeling that moving from multi-instance to single-instance is going to be a hard sell. I have been picking up tidbits of information about CF8 that lead me to wonder if multi-instance CF is something on the wane anyway. I don't think it's on the wane - the people who used that functionality with CF 6.x/7 will probably continue using it with CF 8. Not everyone needs it, but it's still as valuable as ever to those who do. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298349 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
Whoa What about the ability to run your instances with different JVM args and allocate memory and resources specifically? And what about leveraging more than 1.6 gigs of memory using multi-instances? It seems to me there are resource issues that multi instance addresses as well. -Mark -Original Message- From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? I agree with Dave. If customers feel they need control over their servers, then they have that choice. Only other reason for mutli-instance would be mappings / unique custom tags that they didn't want to make global and such. I'm finding that the new mappings that you can do in CF8's Application.cfc are godsend for me at work. Prior to 8, I had avoided global custom tags because we do shared hosting here and everything is spread around a couple of boxes. With 8's new mappings, I can programatically setup the custom tag directory as well as other mappings. It makes moving things around so much easier and in my opinion lessens the need for mutli-instance even further. On Feb 6, 2008 12:50 PM, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently we run CF multi-server on JRun, so we have an instance for each of our clients. For some reason, we've always found this desirable, though we've never really seen any clear benefits other than being able to maintain separate CFAdmin settings and restart an instance without affecting all of our clients. Those are pretty important benefits, at least the latter, right? I having a feeling that moving from multi-instance to single-instance is going to be a hard sell. I have been picking up tidbits of information about CF8 that lead me to wonder if multi-instance CF is something on the wane anyway. I don't think it's on the wane - the people who used that functionality with CF 6.x/7 will probably continue using it with CF 8. Not everyone needs it, but it's still as valuable as ever to those who do. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298350 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
Does these frameworks make things easier or just more complicated. I'm working on a small-medium sized application and I hope I can use some CFCs there but a framework if it makes everything even working with CFCs easier would a huge help. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks in advance Ben Ali If you are confident that you can do the project using methods you currently use, I would say stick with what you know unless you have heaps of time. To start using an 'MVC' framework for example with no experience of CFC's is going to add the confusion I think. I like your idea of using a couple of CFCs in the application to get used to how they work, etc. While doing that, I would find a good book or tutorial on OO concepts, to be reading and getting you excited (?!) as you go and, because you'll be working on a handful of componts, you will easily be able to change them as you learn. It's worth noting here too that OO is nothing even close to new (in computer tech terms) - it has been around practically my whole life time (27 years). Just knowing about it will let you begin to see how things work at a deeper level (CF is after all built on an OO language). You can get a pretty good overview of OO in a couple of hours reading thinking and I really do think that having even the most marginal knowledge is going to save you a whole load of confusion and time while learning about CFCs and programming in general. It will be time well spent :) Once you know about these things then yes, frameworks that revolve around CFCs can make life a good deal easier; more maintainable, re-usable, error free applications, etc. etc, etc. HTH Dominic -- Blog it up: http://fusion.dominicwatson.co.uk ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298351 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
Right... Until Adobe releases a 64bit version of CF, the JVM is limited to just 1gig, even if your server has more. So using multiple instances is the only way to get the most bang for your bux. -Original Message- From: Mark Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? Whoa What about the ability to run your instances with different JVM args and allocate memory and resources specifically? And what about leveraging more than 1.6 gigs of memory using multi-instances? It seems to me there are resource issues that multi instance addresses as well. -Mark -Original Message- From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? I agree with Dave. If customers feel they need control over their servers, then they have that choice. Only other reason for mutli-instance would be mappings / unique custom tags that they didn't want to make global and such. I'm finding that the new mappings that you can do in CF8's Application.cfc are godsend for me at work. Prior to 8, I had avoided global custom tags because we do shared hosting here and everything is spread around a couple of boxes. With 8's new mappings, I can programatically setup the custom tag directory as well as other mappings. It makes moving things around so much easier and in my opinion lessens the need for mutli-instance even further. On Feb 6, 2008 12:50 PM, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently we run CF multi-server on JRun, so we have an instance for each of our clients. For some reason, we've always found this desirable, though we've never really seen any clear benefits other than being able to maintain separate CFAdmin settings and restart an instance without affecting all of our clients. Those are pretty important benefits, at least the latter, right? I having a feeling that moving from multi-instance to single-instance is going to be a hard sell. I have been picking up tidbits of information about CF8 that lead me to wonder if multi-instance CF is something on the wane anyway. I don't think it's on the wane - the people who used that functionality with CF 6.x/7 will probably continue using it with CF 8. Not everyone needs it, but it's still as valuable as ever to those who do. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298352 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
On Feb 6, 2008 7:58 PM, Mark Fuqua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benign I'm sure everyone on this list will say yes to learning oop right away. Well, almost everyone. I'll point you instead to productivityenhancement.com where you can download a framework called PLUM. Plum is a framework that uses the best of what coldfusion was designed to be...a quick, easy to learn, scripting language that makes extensive use of custom tags. Download plum, work through the tutorials you'll be building scalable, robust applications in half the development time as the more seasoned oop developers do. Plum makes extensive use of CFC's, but it also has a few dozen custom tags that make development much faster and easier to learn and creates a natural procedural/oop hybrid framework. Not only will you be up and running much faster, but as you delve into the framework's code, you'll learn, by osmosis, best practices for coldfusion development. When you are ready to learn oop, start with an oop language (oop + coldfusion is a bit of a hack), like AS 3.0 or java or .net/c#. Mark -Original Message- From: Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFC, YES OR NO Hi: As a matter of fact I saw your suggestion and it looked very nice. Did you ever use the framework yourself? Is it easy to learn? Is it easy to make applications with PLUM? Thanks Ali ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298353 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
I agree with Dave. If customers feel they need control over their servers, then they have that choice. Only other reason for mutli-instance would be mappings / unique custom tags that they didn't want to make global and such. Well, that's not actually what I wrote. There are lots of reasons for using multiple instances: - isolation of services for security/administrative reasons - isolation of services for stability reasons - ability to configure services differently (JVMs, specific JAR files, etc) - ability to break the JVM memory limitation That's off the top of my head, I can probably think of more. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298354 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
Yup, agreed that it should also be considered for anyone looking to setup a multi-instance. Currently that doesn't fit our need or budget (according to the owner). I'm just a lead developer plunking down projects for him to cash out on. I don't get a say in hardware or software installation / setup. It's an education thing here and they choose to be ignorant of it despite my attempts to enlighten them. On Feb 6, 2008 1:33 PM, Mark Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoa What about the ability to run your instances with different JVM args and allocate memory and resources specifically? And what about leveraging more than 1.6 gigs of memory using multi-instances? It seems to me there are resource issues that multi instance addresses as well. -Mark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298355 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
If you are confident that you can do the project using methods you currently use, I would say stick with what you know unless you have heaps of time. To start using an 'MVC' framework for example with no experience of CFC's is going to add the confusion I think. I like your idea of using a couple of CFCs in the application to get used to how they work, etc. While doing that, I would find a good book or tutorial on OO concepts, to be reading and getting you excited (?!) as you go and, because you'll be working on a handful of componts, you will easily be able to change them as you learn. It's worth noting here too that OO is nothing even close to new (in computer tech terms) - it has been around practically my whole life time (27 years). Just knowing about it will let you begin to see how things work at a deeper level (CF is after all built on an OO language). You can get a pretty good overview of OO in a couple of hours reading thinking and I really do think that having even the most marginal knowledge is going to save you a whole load of confusion and time while learning about CFCs and programming in general. It will be time well spent :) Once you know about these things then yes, frameworks that revolve around CFCs can make life a good deal easier; more maintainable, re-usable, error free applications, etc. etc, etc. HTH Dominic -- Blog it up: http://fusion.dominicwatson.co.uk Hi: I searched Amazon.com and it seems there is a book named: OOP Demystified? Do you recommend it as a book to introduce myself to OO world?? Thanks Ali ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298357 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
iterators
I've been toying around with the idea of wrapping my output objects in Iterators on my View pages. The idea is that I'd like my Views to be relatively independent of the datatype that they're trying to display. So my View would be able to work with either a Query, Array of Structs, Array of Beans, all using the same looping code on my .cfm page. So I wrote up a definition for my abstract iterator: getCurrentPosition():Numeric getSize():Numeric reset():Void skip(numberOfRowsToSkip:Numeric) skipTo(position:Numeric) atBeginning():Boolean hasMore():Boolean next():Any previous():Any current():Any And I built a few concrete subclasses of that for each data type: QueryIterator, ArrayIterator, BeanIterator. And the code for my View pages becomes: cfloop from=1 to=#Variables.iterator.getSize()# index=x cfset Variables.current = iterator.next() / !--- output the data of the current element (Variables.current) --- /cfloop My problem is that my iterators are running terribly slow. Roughly 10 times slower than cfloop'ing for most Queries. I did some basic time trials, and here are the averages of the execution times: 10 record Query Iterator: 24 ms Cfloop: 4 ms 100 record Query Iterator: 24 ms Cfloop: 4 ms 250 record Query Iterator: 54 ms Cfloop: 11 ms 500 record Query Iterator: 123 ms Cfloop: 17 ms 1000 record Query Iterator: 241 ms Cfloop: 25 ms 1 record Query Iterator: 2648 ms Cfloop: 382 ms For the smaller record sets, the time difference is negligible, but for the larger record sets, the time difference is a little disturbing. I'm not typically going to be looping over 1 records all in one page, but it would let me sleep a little better at night if the time difference is typical sacrifice for abstracting out a looping mechanism. What has been your experience with using iterators? Is it worth the abstraction, or should I just stick to having my Views dependent on the collection type? I can post the code for my CFC's and tests as well, if anyone is interested in seeing them. Jonathon ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298360 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
iterators
I've been toying around with the idea of wrapping my output objects in Iterators on my View pages. The idea is that I'd like my Views to be relatively independent of the datatype that they're trying to display. So my View would be able to work with either a Query, Array of Structs, Array of Beans, all using the same looping code on my .cfm page. So I wrote up a definition for my abstract iterator: getCurrentPosition():Numeric getSize():Numeric reset():Void skip(numberOfRowsToSkip:Numeric) skipTo(position:Numeric) atBeginning():Boolean hasMore():Boolean next():Any previous():Any current():Any And I built a few concrete subclasses of that for each data type: QueryIterator, ArrayIterator, BeanIterator. And the code for my View pages becomes: cfloop from=1 to=#Variables.iterator.getSize()# index=x cfset Variables.current = iterator.next() / !--- output the data of the current element (Variables.current) --- /cfloop My problem is that my iterators are running terribly slow. Roughly 10 times slower than cfloop'ing for most Queries. I did some basic time trials, and here are the averages of the execution times: 10 record Query Iterator: 24 ms Cfloop: 4 ms 100 record Query Iterator: 24 ms Cfloop: 4 ms 250 record Query Iterator: 54 ms Cfloop: 11 ms 500 record Query Iterator: 123 ms Cfloop: 17 ms 1000 record Query Iterator: 241 ms Cfloop: 25 ms 1 record Query Iterator: 2648 ms Cfloop: 382 ms For the smaller record sets, the time difference is negligible, but for the larger record sets, the time difference is a little disturbing. I'm not typically going to be looping over 1 records all in one page, but it would let me sleep a little better at night if the time difference is typical sacrifice for abstracting out a looping mechanism. What has been your experience with using iterators? Is it worth the abstraction, or should I just stick to having my Views dependent on the collection type? I can post the code for my CFC's and tests as well, if anyone is interested in seeing them. Jonathon ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298358 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
On Feb 6, 2008 1:51 PM, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that's not actually what I wrote. There are lots of reasons for using multiple instances: - isolation of services for security/administrative reasons - isolation of services for stability reasons - ability to configure services differently (JVMs, specific JAR files, etc) - ability to break the JVM memory limitation That's off the top of my head, I can probably think of more. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Understood. I wasn't trying to override anything you said. I was adding my agreement in with an opinion. Did I write something differently? I know about all those. :P http://www.web-rat.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298356 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Cfeclipse/Aptana plugin
Is anyone familair enough with this combination to tell me the easiest way to get a homesite style HTML tag menu on the CFeclipse perspective view? thanks in advance ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298359 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
The only way you can pressure a company is to not buy its products. I'm not sure that's entirely true. It may be the *best* way, but not the *only* way. Have we really gotten the word out as a community to Adobe in terms of what we are seeing and the trends that are happening? Sales numbers alone are just not going to give the whole picture. And, for what it's worth, targeting the enterprise is what every Java vendor does - even the open-source ones. You don't see small businesses or freelancers building J2EE web applications. I wonder how Java's doing? The difference is that Java is widely taught in schools, and people know if they learn it they will have no trouble finding a jobthus, there is hardly a lack of experienced developers for it. The reverse is true for CFit is a rare college that has classes for it, developers don't see it as a technology worthy of learning or that will help them get a good job, and thus experienced coders are harder and harder to find. Do you really think enterprises will keep using CF if the number of developers that know it continue to drop? We're used to seeing the posts about CF dying, etc. particularly from outside the community...but we're hearing more and more from inside the community about problems finding developers, companies having to switch to .NET, etc. due to lack of experienced coders, and that just is not going to be something that strictly marketing to the Enterprise is going to fix. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298361 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Cfeclipse/Aptana plugin
On 2/6/08, Tim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone familair enough with this combination to tell me the easiest way to get a homesite style HTML tag menu on the CFeclipse perspective view? thanks in advance Not sure what type of menu you are referring to. As I would assume, you are talking about a flyout menu which ss their for most tags. Are you looking for Buttons? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298362 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
Yep, and isn't this the biggest weakness of CF to date? Are other technologies limited to 1GB or ram? PHP/.NET/RoR? I can understand why myspace migrated away from CF. With sketchy session replication and the fact that you can't have more then 1GB per instance, it's just getting impossible to run a site that handles a lot of sessions in CF even with multiple instances/boxes. Russ -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? Right... Until Adobe releases a 64bit version of CF, the JVM is limited to just 1gig, even if your server has more. So using multiple instances is the only way to get the most bang for your bux. -Original Message- From: Mark Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? Whoa What about the ability to run your instances with different JVM args and allocate memory and resources specifically? And what about leveraging more than 1.6 gigs of memory using multi-instances? It seems to me there are resource issues that multi instance addresses as well. -Mark -Original Message- From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? I agree with Dave. If customers feel they need control over their servers, then they have that choice. Only other reason for mutli-instance would be mappings / unique custom tags that they didn't want to make global and such. I'm finding that the new mappings that you can do in CF8's Application.cfc are godsend for me at work. Prior to 8, I had avoided global custom tags because we do shared hosting here and everything is spread around a couple of boxes. With 8's new mappings, I can programatically setup the custom tag directory as well as other mappings. It makes moving things around so much easier and in my opinion lessens the need for mutli-instance even further. On Feb 6, 2008 12:50 PM, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently we run CF multi-server on JRun, so we have an instance for each of our clients. For some reason, we've always found this desirable, though we've never really seen any clear benefits other than being able to maintain separate CFAdmin settings and restart an instance without affecting all of our clients. Those are pretty important benefits, at least the latter, right? I having a feeling that moving from multi-instance to single-instance is going to be a hard sell. I have been picking up tidbits of information about CF8 that lead me to wonder if multi-instance CF is something on the wane anyway. I don't think it's on the wane - the people who used that functionality with CF 6.x/7 will probably continue using it with CF 8. Not everyone needs it, but it's still as valuable as ever to those who do. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298363 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
I've not read it but reading the reviews it seems just about perfect. Doesn't look like it dummies anything which is important. Remember to ignore the language specific stuff (java, C++, etc), maybe this is obvious but it's the kind of thing I do all the time, i.e. read bits that I don't need to that send my brain going gaga thinking about too much at once! Dominic -- Blog it up: http://fusion.dominicwatson.co.uk ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298364 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
Isn't MS targeting enterprise customers as well? However, they made it easy to get access to developers and tools. Giving away free copies to universities, and having light versions of things available for free (SQL Express, Visual Studio Express, etc). Russ -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better The only way you can pressure a company is to not buy its products. I'm not sure that's entirely true. It may be the *best* way, but not the *only* way. Have we really gotten the word out as a community to Adobe in terms of what we are seeing and the trends that are happening? Sales numbers alone are just not going to give the whole picture. And, for what it's worth, targeting the enterprise is what every Java vendor does - even the open-source ones. You don't see small businesses or freelancers building J2EE web applications. I wonder how Java's doing? The difference is that Java is widely taught in schools, and people know if they learn it they will have no trouble finding a jobthus, there is hardly a lack of experienced developers for it. The reverse is true for CFit is a rare college that has classes for it, developers don't see it as a technology worthy of learning or that will help them get a good job, and thus experienced coders are harder and harder to find. Do you really think enterprises will keep using CF if the number of developers that know it continue to drop? We're used to seeing the posts about CF dying, etc. particularly from outside the community...but we're hearing more and more from inside the community about problems finding developers, companies having to switch to .NET, etc. due to lack of experienced coders, and that just is not going to be something that strictly marketing to the Enterprise is going to fix. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298365 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
iterators
I've been toying around with the idea of wrapping my output objects in Iterators on my View pages. The idea is that I'd like my Views to be relatively independent of the datatype that they're trying to display. So my View would be able to work with either a Query, Array of Structs, Array of Beans, all using the same looping code on my .cfm page. So I wrote up a definition for my abstract iterator: getCurrentPosition():Numeric getSize():Numeric reset():Void skip(numberOfRowsToSkip:Numeric) skipTo(position:Numeric) atBeginning():Boolean hasMore():Boolean next():Any previous():Any current():Any And I built a few concrete subclasses of that for each data type: QueryIterator, ArrayIterator, BeanIterator. And the code for my View pages becomes: cfloop from=1 to=#Variables.iterator.getSize()# index=x cfset Variables.current = iterator.next() / !--- output the data of the current element (Variables.current) --- /cfloop My problem is that my iterators are running terribly slow. Roughly 10 times slower than cfloop'ing for most Queries. I did some basic time trials, and here are the averages of the execution times: 10 record Query Iterator: 24 ms Cfloop: 4 ms 100 record Query Iterator: 24 ms Cfloop: 4 ms 250 record Query Iterator: 54 ms Cfloop: 11 ms 500 record Query Iterator: 123 ms Cfloop: 17 ms 1000 record Query Iterator: 241 ms Cfloop: 25 ms 1 record Query Iterator: 2648 ms Cfloop: 382 ms For the smaller record sets, the time difference is negligible, but for the larger record sets, the time difference is a little disturbing. I'm not typically going to be looping over 1 records all in one page, but it would let me sleep a little better at night if the time difference is typical sacrifice for abstracting out a looping mechanism. What has been your experience with using iterators? Is it worth the abstraction, or should I just stick to having my Views dependent on the collection type? I can post the code for my CFC's and tests as well, if anyone is interested in seeing them. Jonathon ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298366 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
Where do I start Nothing personal, in fact Plum looks pretty slick, but... 1) Filling out Wizards will not teach you how to ColdFusion or any other language. Quite honestly if that is your approach you would be better off using DreamWeaver (DW) from Adobe or Downloading or Visual Web Developer Express from Microsoft and delving into some of their online tutorials. 2) Learning to program buy using a framework and filling out wizards will teach you how to use the framework/wizards and not the language ifself. Learning ROR does not teach you Ruby any more than Using DW's GUI builder teach you html or CSS. To start I recommend: http://learncf.com/ http://www.cfoop.org/ Those are just my opinions. On Feb 6, 2008 11:28 AM, Mark Fuqua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benign I'm sure everyone on this list will say yes to learning oop right away. Well, almost everyone. I'll point you instead to productivityenhancement.com where you can download a framework called PLUM. Plum is a framework that uses the best of what coldfusion was designed to be...a quick, easy to learn, scripting language that makes extensive use of custom tags. Download plum, work through the tutorials you'll be building scalable, robust applications in half the development time as the more seasoned oop developers do. Plum makes extensive use of CFC's, but it also has a few dozen custom tags that make development much faster and easier to learn and creates a natural procedural/oop hybrid framework. Not only will you be up and running much faster, but as you delve into the framework's code, you'll learn, by osmosis, best practices for coldfusion development. When you are ready to learn oop, start with an oop language (oop + coldfusion is a bit of a hack), like AS 3.0 or java or .net/c#. Mark -Original Message- From: Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFC, YES OR NO Hi: I am using CF for while now but I have no other programing background. I used Lynda.com video tutorials to learn CF and some other online tutorials like EasyCFM.com. Several days efore I recieved two new CF8 tutorials from Lynda.com(Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Essential Training | Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Beyond the Basics) but I got confused completely! David Gassner the tutor has a complete plan to talks about many corners of CF but he starts using CFCs very soon at the middle of the first tutorial. He mentions you can never use CFCs and make all the application using simple CF tags but knowing CFCs helps you make it more reusable and manageable. I found CFCs VERY confusing for myself. I tried to learn it but I didn't get it completely. Maybe because I have no programing background with other languages other than HTML. What do you think? Should I learn it? Does it gradually become the core of CF programing to use CFCs? Please write me your opinions, knowledge and experiences about the subject. Thanks Benign ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298367 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: iterators
Hi there, How are you doing this iterator exactly? I have just made and been using my own dao iterator base component and it has so far been really fast and easy to use (and dang handy, definately a good idea). I would loop like so: cfloop condition=myIteratorObj.Next() #myIteratorObj.GetTitle()# /cfloop Under the hood, the object contains the query and maintains a pointer to the current row - any time you use any of the object's methods, the method uses the data from the current row of the query. This way, there are no conversions happening and so performance is not an issue. I can send you the classes (dao and daoIterator) and an example object that extends them if you like? I think they are easy to read so you should be able to take from them what you will (and ditch what you won't). Dominic -- Blog it up: http://fusion.dominicwatson.co.uk ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298369 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFC, YES OR NO
Yes, Plum is easy to learn, although I think most Plum users are much more advanced than I am, so it is worth noting that it can grow with you as your skills grow. The documentation/tutorials are quite complete through the beginning levels and you can probably work through the tutorials in an afternoon. The rest you can pick up on your own. You can use the whole framework and all that it offers or you can use it just for the application framework/security/css management and code all your pages in the traditional manner. I do both within the same applications. I have a hard time understanding why PLUM was not better received with in the coldfusion community as a whole. I understand it is not oop or certainly not pure mvc...I understand it was written by titans within the coldfusion community that didn't get along with other titans within the coldfusion community...I get that the Plum IDE (it is not really an ide, it's a crud generator) is built in .net, which rubs many the wrong way... but it really is a fantastic bit of work... Mark -Original Message- From: Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFC, YES OR NO On Feb 6, 2008 7:58 PM, Mark Fuqua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benign I'm sure everyone on this list will say yes to learning oop right away. Well, almost everyone. I'll point you instead to productivityenhancement.com where you can download a framework called PLUM. Plum is a framework that uses the best of what coldfusion was designed to be...a quick, easy to learn, scripting language that makes extensive use of custom tags. Download plum, work through the tutorials you'll be building scalable, robust applications in half the development time as the more seasoned oop developers do. Plum makes extensive use of CFC's, but it also has a few dozen custom tags that make development much faster and easier to learn and creates a natural procedural/oop hybrid framework. Not only will you be up and running much faster, but as you delve into the framework's code, you'll learn, by osmosis, best practices for coldfusion development. When you are ready to learn oop, start with an oop language (oop + coldfusion is a bit of a hack), like AS 3.0 or java or .net/c#. Mark -Original Message- From: Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFC, YES OR NO Hi: As a matter of fact I saw your suggestion and it looked very nice. Did you ever use the framework yourself? Is it easy to learn? Is it easy to make applications with PLUM? Thanks Ali ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298370 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CFDOCUMENT not working
There are a number of things that can cause a cfdocument tag to hang. It seems that timeouts are never enforced for third-party calls like images. You only have given us an iceburg-tip piece of information though. What version of CF are you on? What updaters do you have installed? Have you obtained a stack trace with SeeFusion or Fusion-Reactor to get an idea of what is going on behind the scenes? Are you on CF standard or enterprise (throttling)? One of the most common reasons I have found for cfdocuments to hang involve images. Examine your HTML and make sure all the img links are valid. If you are on Windows, run SysInternal's tcpview.exe or netstat to look for open TCP connections attempting to retrieve an external image from a server which is not responding. ~Brad -Original Message- From: Tarek Jubaer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFDOCUMENT not working Hi My my site, i used CFDOCUMENT tag to generate a dynamic PDF file and save it to physical location. It used to work properly. Now it is not working at all. The page hangs up when the PDF file generation code is parsed. Can anyone please help me on this issue? thanks in advance. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298368 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: iterators
Is debugging on? All the calls to the functions get tracked in debugging which can add considerable overhead. It might be more efficient to write these iterators in java and then instantiate the java object in your code. Russ -Original Message- From: Jonathon Stierman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: iterators I've been toying around with the idea of wrapping my output objects in Iterators on my View pages. The idea is that I'd like my Views to be relatively independent of the datatype that they're trying to display. So my View would be able to work with either a Query, Array of Structs, Array of Beans, all using the same looping code on my .cfm page. So I wrote up a definition for my abstract iterator: getCurrentPosition():Numeric getSize():Numeric reset():Void skip(numberOfRowsToSkip:Numeric) skipTo(position:Numeric) atBeginning():Boolean hasMore():Boolean next():Any previous():Any current():Any And I built a few concrete subclasses of that for each data type: QueryIterator, ArrayIterator, BeanIterator. And the code for my View pages becomes: cfloop from=1 to=#Variables.iterator.getSize()# index=x cfset Variables.current = iterator.next() / !--- output the data of the current element (Variables.current) --- /cfloop My problem is that my iterators are running terribly slow. Roughly 10 times slower than cfloop'ing for most Queries. I did some basic time trials, and here are the averages of the execution times: 10 record Query Iterator: 24 ms Cfloop: 4 ms 100 record Query Iterator: 24 ms Cfloop: 4 ms 250 record Query Iterator: 54 ms Cfloop: 11 ms 500 record Query Iterator: 123 ms Cfloop: 17 ms 1000 record Query Iterator: 241 ms Cfloop: 25 ms 1 record Query Iterator: 2648 ms Cfloop: 382 ms For the smaller record sets, the time difference is negligible, but for the larger record sets, the time difference is a little disturbing. I'm not typically going to be looping over 1 records all in one page, but it would let me sleep a little better at night if the time difference is typical sacrifice for abstracting out a looping mechanism. What has been your experience with using iterators? Is it worth the abstraction, or should I just stick to having my Views dependent on the collection type? I can post the code for my CFC's and tests as well, if anyone is interested in seeing them. Jonathon ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298371 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: iterators
Incidentally, I have been using Model-Glue and I always pass the view the query that the iterator contains (I use the iterator object for operations on the data, etc) - afterall, the view needs only to READ the data, the cfquery object is a perfect iterating object for this task. Dominic ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298372 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
Yep, and isn't this the biggest weakness of CF to date? Are other technologies limited to 1GB or ram? PHP/.NET/RoR? This is a JVM limitation, not a CF limitation. And, it's platform-specific. The memory limit for a 32-bit JVM is much higher on, say, Solaris - around 4 GB, if I recall correctly. You won't find many .NET apps using that much RAM either. If I recall correctly, the recommended limit for ASP.NET 1.1 is about 800MB for machines with a 2GB address space limit (practically every Windows server is in that category) no matter what the actual amount of RAM is in the server. I haven't yet found any really large-scale RoR sites, so I haven't bothered to look into its memory consumption. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298373 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: iterators
Russ -- I had debugging on. Turning it off reduced the average by about 500 ms on the 1 record query, so that definitely helps some! Dominic -- I'd love to see what you've got! Post them to this thread, or email them to me, whichever you feel comfortable with. Not sure with what's going on with all my duplicate posts... But my original post has come in three times to me. Hopefully it's just a problem with my mail server. If it's not, sorry everyone! I'll email Michael D to remove the duplicates. Jonathon ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298376 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: iterators
How are you doing this iterator exactly? I have just made and been using my own dao iterator base component and it has so far been really fast and easy to use (and dang handy, definately a good idea). I would loop like so: Also check out Peter Bell's IBO (Iterating Business Object) concept which does something similar. http://ibo.riaforge.org/ -- Josh ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298374 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFExchange Permission Problems
Any Idea why all of my users can access their mailbox by using a cfexchange connection except one? I can OWA with the name/password that is used in the connection string and everything works fine, but Coldfusion complains of invalid access when trying to access the users. Access to the Exchange server denied. Ensure that the user name and password are correct. cfexchangeConnection action=open username=[EMAIL PROTECTED] password=%% server=myexchsrv.mydomain.org connection=testconn1 cfexchangecalendar action=get name=Caltoday connection=testconn1 cfexchangeFilter name=starttime from=#rightNow# to=#nextweek# / /cfexchangecalendar cfexchangeConnection action=close connection=testconn1 Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298377 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: iterators
Russ -- I had debugging on. Turning it off reduced the average by about 500 ms on the 1 record query, so that definitely helps some! Dominic -- I'd love to see what you've got! Post them to this thread, or email them to me, whichever you feel comfortable with. Not sure with what's going on with all my duplicate posts... But my original post has come in three times to me. Hopefully it's just a problem with my mail server. If it's not, sorry everyone! I'll email Michael D to remove the duplicates. Jonathon ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298375 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
The 2GB address space limit only exists on 32 bit architectures, correct? A server running lets say Windows 2003 x64 Server or any flavor of x64 Linux wouldn't have that limitation, correct? So why are we stuck using the outdated 32bit JVM? Russ -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? Yep, and isn't this the biggest weakness of CF to date? Are other technologies limited to 1GB or ram? PHP/.NET/RoR? This is a JVM limitation, not a CF limitation. And, it's platform- specific. The memory limit for a 32-bit JVM is much higher on, say, Solaris - around 4 GB, if I recall correctly. You won't find many .NET apps using that much RAM either. If I recall correctly, the recommended limit for ASP.NET 1.1 is about 800MB for machines with a 2GB address space limit (practically every Windows server is in that category) no matter what the actual amount of RAM is in the server. I haven't yet found any really large-scale RoR sites, so I haven't bothered to look into its memory consumption. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298378 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
I'm not sure that's entirely true. It may be the *best* way, but not the *only* way. Have we really gotten the word out as a community to Adobe in terms of what we are seeing and the trends that are happening? I don't even know what that means. Purchasing a product doesn't make you a member of a community, in any meaningful sense, unless that product is a house. Who speaks for this community? What are we seeing? The trends that you are seeing may not be the trends that I'm seeing. Sales numbers alone are just not going to give the whole picture. I strongly suspect that they're the only part of the picture that Adobe's interested in looking at. The difference is that Java is widely taught in schools, and people know if they learn it they will have no trouble finding a jobthus, there is hardly a lack of experienced developers for it. The reverse is true for CFit is a rare college that has classes for it, developers don't see it as a technology worthy of learning or that will help them get a good job, and thus experienced coders are harder and harder to find. Do you really think enterprises will keep using CF if the number of developers that know it continue to drop? We're used to seeing the posts about CF dying, etc. particularly from outside the community...but we're hearing more and more from inside the community about problems finding developers, companies having to switch to .NET, etc. due to lack of experienced coders, and that just is not going to be something that strictly marketing to the Enterprise is going to fix. Java is widely taught in schools because it is a good teaching language, and the point of a CS degree is to learn how to program, not how to program in language X. CF is emphatically NOT suitable for this purpose. But any CS student worth his salt can pick up CF very quickly. I don't see any evidence that the number of CF developers is decreasing, either. The plural of anecdote is not data. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298379 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
Yep, and isn't this the biggest weakness of CF to date? Are other technologies limited to 1GB or ram? PHP/.NET/RoR? The are if they are limited to pre-JAVA 1.6 (IIRC the version). The limit is not a ColdFusion specific limit, but a limit it inherits from the underlining Java. So any technology bound to the same Java is going to have the same limit. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298381 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
On 2/6/08, Steven Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our business is sort of an ASP model where we have a single, main application to which we essentially sell subscriptions to large clients. Over the years, those clients have demanded unique changes to the app that have caused the main code base to split into separate versions. That wouldn't seem to have much to do with instances Currently we run CF multi-server on JRun, so we have an instance for each of our clients. For some reason, we've always found this desirable, though we've never really seen any clear benefits other than being able to maintain separate CFAdmin settings and restart an instance without affecting all of our clients. Separate CFAdmin settings might not be terribly important in an ASP environment since you're not allowing clients to host or build their own CFML code. But restarting an instance without affecting *ALL* of the instances is pretty important I'd think. We now wish to consolidate our code into a single app that pulls in custom styles, pages, features, content as necessary. One way to make this happen is to have a single application (code base) running on a single CF instance that pulls in custom materials from client directories where necessary. Why a single CF instance? You can have multiple CF instances accessing the exact same code base for example, let's assumg you have your code installed in C:\Inetpub\wwwroot - you could set up 10 IIS web sites that all point to that directory .. and each web site uses a different domain name.. and each web site uses a different instance of Coldfusion. I having a feeling that moving from multi-instance to single-instance is going to be a hard sell. I have been picking up tidbits of information about CF8 that lead me to wonder if multi-instance CF is something on the wane anyway. No, it definately isn't. On the contrary, I suspect there are a lot more people switching from single-instance to multi-instance than the reverse. People using multiple instances don't usually go back to single instances. -- Rick Root New Brian Vander Ark Album, songs in the music player and cool behind the scenes video at www.myspace.com/brianvanderark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298383 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
Are other technologies limited to 1GB or ram? Doesn't Java suffer from this same limitation? It is my understanding that the memory limit is a Java thing, not a CF thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong. ...the fact that you can't have more then 1GB per instance... But don't instances offer a way around that really? You can put 8 instances sharing the same codebase with 1.5 Gigs of RAM apiece and cluster them together. Now you are using all your RAM. Also, perhaps not that many people uses instances for this-- but I kind of surprised that no one has really mentioned High Availability and fail-over. If you have a site with a load that requires more than one instance and needs to have constant uptime but you don't want to pay for a hardware load balancer, simply spread a handful of instances across several physical machines, cluster them together, and let JRUN balance your load for you. It may not be a spotless solution, but it has merit. ~Brad ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298382 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
Whoa What about the ability to run your instances with different JVM args and allocate memory and resources specifically? And what about leveraging more than 1.6 gigs of memory using multi-instances? It seems to me there are resource issues that multi instance addresses as well. Okay, this is the sort of thing I was looking for... and the obvious gap in my knowledge. Have you got any links I can be referred to for discussion on JVM tweaking for performance? We *do* have clients with significantly imbalanced usership, so it would be nice to scale back one in order to boost the other. Thanks for the help so far. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298384 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
The 2GB address space limit only exists on 32 bit architectures, correct? A server running lets say Windows 2003 x64 Server or any flavor of x64 Linux wouldn't have that limitation, correct? So why are we stuck using the outdated 32bit JVM? Maybe you should direct that question to Adobe? Seriously, since they're looking for features to add for CF 9, this seems like an opportune time to ask them that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298380 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: iterators
Yeh, mine is similar with some differences and some nice ideas from Reactor (but with performance), anyways I've zipped some files and posted them here: http://www.dominicwatson.co.uk/downloads/iterator.zip Note, this was all intended for private use - not public release ;) Let me know what you like and hate ( I love it so it's all good by me ) Dominic -- Blog it up: http://fusion.dominicwatson.co.uk ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298385 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
On 2/6/08, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you need a course on basic object orientated design principles e.g. classes, methods, encapsulation, abstraction, inheritance etc. I don't agree with that at all. the use of CFCs doesn't necessarily have anything to do with object oriented design. Lots of CFCs are just groupings of functions to perform application tasks. But they're not really object oriented at all, they're functional. imageCFC for example is just an image manipulation CFC. It's purely functional, and not object oriented in nature at all. The java stuff underneath is object oriented, but the imageCFC itself is not. Should I learn it? I'd say yes. I *WOULD* agree with this. Even if you're not using CFCs for object oriented design, they're awfully handy. Does it gradually become the core of CF programing to use CFCs? For me, yes. In fact, when building a CF application, the first thing I do is write a CFC. Not true. I buid my SQL database first. At least, I write a SQL script with the tables and fields I need. Then I start writing the CFC. Then I write the presentatin stuff in the CFM files. -- Rick Root New Brian Vander Ark Album, songs in the music player and cool behind the scenes video at www.myspace.com/brianvanderark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298386 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: iterators
Russ -- I had debugging on. Turning it off reduced the average by about 500 ms on the 1 record query, so that definitely helps some! Dominic -- I'd love to see what you've got! Post them to this thread, or email them to me, whichever you feel comfortable with. Not sure with what's going on with all my duplicate posts... But my original post has come in three times to me. Hopefully it's just a problem with my mail server. If it's not, sorry everyone! I'll email Michael D to remove the duplicates. Jonathon ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298387 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Anyone using BlazeDS?
I guess you'd have to decide if you're gonna run it on the same server as CF in production.. and if not, running it on the SAME server in staging means that your environments do not match. I don't know all that many places whose development and staging environments exactly match anyway. Those are orgs that have more money and manpower than we do! Rick On 2/6/08, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick... The server I'm thinking of is our staging server. The only time it even has any connections is when one of us is testing out code that's already been developed on our personal machines. I think the only way to know for certain is to just install it. -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone using BlazeDS? On 2/4/08, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone used Blaze, and have some wisdom to share? The potential number of client machines running this app is between 60 and 100. How would Blaze handle this? While we can't be sure, I don't think BlazeDS would have any problem with messaging for 100 clients. Even in a chat type application where the messaging would be pretty significant for 100 clients in an active room. Does/should it run on the same machine as the CF server? It can. Whether or not it should depends purely on your needs. the messaging part of BlazeDS probably doesn't take a lot of cycles, so as long as those 100 clients aren't bogging your CF down, you could probably run BlazeDS on the same machine just fine. -- Rick Root New Brian Vander Ark Album, songs in the music player and cool behind the scenes video at www.myspace.com/brianvanderark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298388 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
-Original Message- From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing? Are other technologies limited to 1GB or ram? Doesn't Java suffer from this same limitation? It is my understanding that the memory limit is a Java thing, not a CF thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong. 32bit Java. 64bit Java doesn't suffer from this limitation AFAIR. Speaking of which, is CF certified on any 64bit java? I remember something about it being certified on x64 Solaris or something. Is anyone using it on a 64bit Java under windows? ...the fact that you can't have more then 1GB per instance... But don't instances offer a way around that really? You can put 8 instances sharing the same codebase with 1.5 Gigs of RAM apiece and cluster them together. Now you are using all your RAM. Sort of. The problem lies when each of your instances needs to hold a lot of data, and especially if that data lies in session scope. Replicating the sessions will cause all of the instances to use the same amount of memory for the session scope, so you don't really get around the 1Gig limit. Also, perhaps not that many people uses instances for this-- but I kind of surprised that no one has really mentioned High Availability and fail-over. If you have a site with a load that requires more than one instance and needs to have constant uptime but you don't want to pay for a hardware load balancer, simply spread a handful of instances across several physical machines, cluster them together, and let JRUN balance your load for you. It may not be a spotless solution, but it has merit. High availability and failover is great, but I would be surprised if .NET didn't have something comparable. Session replication is known to be flaky and doesn't replicate certain objects until CF8. Russ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298390 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
I've got two ongoing How-to series on my site that may help you. The first covers many basics of CFCs and OOP with ColdFusion: http://www.iknowkungfoo.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/8/22/Object-Oriented-Coldfusion--1--Intro-to-Objectcfc The second covers Mach-II, one of the major ColdFusion frameworks, and how to adapt to it from a procedural coding background: http://www.iknowkungfoo.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/2/12/Moving-from-Procedural-to-Object-Oriented-Programming-with-MachII-for-Coldfusion HTH, Adrian Hi: I am using CF for while now but I have no other programing background. I used Lynda.com video tutorials to learn CF and some other online tutorials like EasyCFM.com. Several days efore I recieved two new CF8 tutorials from Lynda.com(Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Essential Training | Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Beyond the Basics) but I got confused completely! David Gassner the tutor has a complete plan to talks about many corners of CF but he starts using CFCs very soon at the middle of the first tutorial. He mentions you can never use CFCs and make all the application using simple CF tags but knowing CFCs helps you make it more reusable and manageable. I found CFCs VERY confusing for myself. I tried to learn it but I didn't get it completely. Maybe because I have no programing background with other languages other than HTML. What do you think? Should I learn it? Does it gradually become the core of CF programing to use CFCs? Please write me your opinions, knowledge and experiences about the subject. Thanks Benign ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298389 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
On Feb 6, 2008 12:24 PM, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't agree with that at all. the use of CFCs doesn't necessarily have anything to do with object oriented design. Lots of CFCs are just groupings of functions to perform application tasks. But they're not really object oriented at all, they're functional. just 'cuz i think this could be an interesting convo... then why use CFCs at all? if you're just grouping similar functions together, why not just a cfinclude to a .cfm? paul kenney actually addressed this a lil' while back: http://www.pjk.us/paul/index.cfm/2007/4/11/Why-do-you-use-CFCs interesting read :) -- Evelyn the dog, having undergone further modification pondered the significance of short-person behaviour in pedal depressed, pan-chromatic resonance, and other highly ambient domains. Arf, she said. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298391 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
On Feb 6, 2008 11:54 PM, Adrian Moreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got two ongoing How-to series on my site that may help you. The first covers many basics of CFCs and OOP with ColdFusion: http://www.iknowkungfoo.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/8/22/Object-Oriented-Coldfusion--1--Intro-to-Objectcfc The second covers Mach-II, one of the major ColdFusion frameworks, and how to adapt to it from a procedural coding background: http://www.iknowkungfoo.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/2/12/Moving-from-Procedural-to-Object-Oriented-Programming-with-MachII-for-Coldfusion HTH, Adrian Thanks. Great tutorial ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298392 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
I have a hard time understanding why PLUM was not better received with in the coldfusion community as a whole. I understand it is not oop or certainly not pure mvc...I understand it was written by titans within the coldfusion community that didn't get along with other titans within the coldfusion community...I get that the Plum IDE (it is not really an ide, it's a crud generator) is built in .net, which rubs many the wrong way... but it really is a fantastic bit of work... The onTap framework also has some similarities to PLUM, although it lacks any code generation and I have yet to write anything in dot-net. It's agnostic about whether or not you use OOP or for that matter even MVC (much like Fusebox in that respect) although imo it does provide a good ready-made structure for MVC-style separation of concerns. In my own apps, my business model is 100% CFC's -- the framework acts as controller and there are includes for the view, which makes it practically little different from the more popular OO-style frameworks like Mach-II or Model-Glue. There are however a lot of semantic differences, perhaps chief among them being an emphasis on the notion of Convention over Configuration, which is a good part of how Ruby on Rails has become so popular. Yet as a philosophy for taking the tedium out of daily programming tasks and freeing up time to focus on key integration points where the application's behavior needs to deviate from the norm, somehow CoC just seems not to create much interest in the ColdFusion community. I remember watching one of the demo videos for RoR where the guy who recorded it kept repeating the phrase look at all the things I'm *not* doing, to emphasize the fact that all the time you would normally spend configuring, etc. can be diverted to working on other tasks. At the time I had actually linked to that demo side by side with my own demo doing something very similar on the home page of the framework domain. There's a lot of stuff in RoR that I disagree with, like they automate the order of input elements in forms based on the order of the columns in the database metadata, which imo is taking CoC too far, and they have a scope called flash (and yes, it causes confusion) which exists only from the beginning of the current request to the end of the following request, which imo is asking for problems related to refresh / concurrency, etc. I also disagreed with some of the philosophy behind PLUM (no disrespect intended). To me it doesn't make a lot of sense either. Though I will say that I've had this one particular experience a few times where someone will download the onTap framework core, open the QuickStart or the Getting Started section of the documentation and then email me saying this link in the Hello World example is broken. Or some other link in another example, but Hello World in particular if they're going through them sequentially. Which either means that they hadn't read the tutorial before sending the email or didn't understand the instructions when they said create this file - THEN - view the following URL. The intention of the link is to show the relationship between the file and the URL, in the same way that a FuseBox tutorial might offer a URL and then explain how to configure the circuit fuse configuration files to make that URL work. I.e. for the fuseaction messaging.sendmessage, the messaging circuit and the sendmessage fuse are declared in different places and so it's important to understand the relationship between them. And it seems from my perspective that people are often willing to spend many hours struggling to learn the ins and outs of best-practices with more traditional OO-style frameworks like Mach-II and ModelGlue but that they often give up after the first 5 minutes with something like the onTap framework (not just onTap, but others also) which are structurally different as a result of different philosophies about development like CoC. So the only thing that really sticks out in my mind as being a likely answer for why PLUM (or onTap or a number of other frameworks) which might all be very effective frameworks seem to get very little attention in the community is that they're different. I think that one thing, irrespective of the relative strengths or weaknesses of the framework, may be the single biggest thing holding other frameworks back. That people either have a difficult time wrapping their heads around the approach simply because they've learned to expect a traditional OO-style approach (with minor variations, i.e. Mach-II vs. ModelGlue) or that they just don't have as much interest in alternative approaches. If that's true, then I'd imagine it might be similar in the Ruby world for example, that while RoR gets a lot of press, it would be difficult to generate much interest in something like Mach-II, irrespective of how well written it is, for no reason other than that peole in the Ruby world have learned to expect a CoC
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Re: CFC, YES OR NO
just 'cuz i think this could be an interesting convo... then why use CFCs at all? if you're just grouping similar functions together, why not just a cfinclude to a .cfm? One good reason is you can cache the CFC in the Application scope (as long as it is a singleton), so it's always in RAM thus the performance is better, and then you can do Application.mycfc.mymethod() which is handy. -- Josh ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298393 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Anyone using BlazeDS?
That's the nice thing. I don't think it's going to go into production. We're thinking that it might just be internal which means that the staging server is just fine. -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone using BlazeDS? I guess you'd have to decide if you're gonna run it on the same server as CF in production.. and if not, running it on the SAME server in staging means that your environments do not match. I don't know all that many places whose development and staging environments exactly match anyway. Those are orgs that have more money and manpower than we do! Rick On 2/6/08, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick... The server I'm thinking of is our staging server. The only time it even has any connections is when one of us is testing out code that's already been developed on our personal machines. I think the only way to know for certain is to just install it. -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone using BlazeDS? On 2/4/08, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone used Blaze, and have some wisdom to share? The potential number of client machines running this app is between 60 and 100. How would Blaze handle this? While we can't be sure, I don't think BlazeDS would have any problem with messaging for 100 clients. Even in a chat type application where the messaging would be pretty significant for 100 clients in an active room. Does/should it run on the same machine as the CF server? It can. Whether or not it should depends purely on your needs. the messaging part of BlazeDS probably doesn't take a lot of cycles, so as long as those 100 clients aren't bogging your CF down, you could probably run BlazeDS on the same machine just fine. -- Rick Root New Brian Vander Ark Album, songs in the music player and cool behind the scenes video at www.myspace.com/brianvanderark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298396 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
Oh ... also speaking of people having a difficult time wrapping their heads around something... I've never, not *once* since I implemented specific support for CFCs in the framework, written an application that wasn't 100% object-oriented in the model layer. And yet somehow, it seems merely because the framework lacks XML configuration files, even though they have ZERO to do with OO, simply because it's a common part of the OO-style of development, I have yet to see anyone other than myself write an article, etc. that referenced the onTap framework without saying very specifically it's not Object-Oriented. Which is unfortunate, because I'm sure it's turned a lot of people away from even trying the framework, simply because of this other person's misconstruance that if there aren't XML config files, it must not be OO. They read the article and think oh it's procedural, why bother. The point being that, as I was saying before, they seem to have a difficult time wrapping their head around it merely because it's not the approach they expect. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298398 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFC, YES OR NO
The real issue I would have is that, as far as I can tell, the framework isn't actively maintained. Does anyone know if there is ongoing development on the Plum framework and tools? Even if there is, I'd recommend looking at one of the more mainstream frameworks like Model-Glue, Fusebox, Coldbox, or Mach-II. You might as well make it a marketable skill if you're going to take the time to learn a framework. No disrespect to Adam and David who clearly put a lot of work into Plum, but I don't think it was ever adopted by wide audience. On Feb 6, 2008 2:18 PM, Gerald Guido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do I start Nothing personal, in fact Plum looks pretty slick, but... 1) Filling out Wizards will not teach you how to ColdFusion or any other language. Quite honestly if that is your approach you would be better off using DreamWeaver (DW) from Adobe or Downloading or Visual Web Developer Express from Microsoft and delving into some of their online tutorials. 2) Learning to program buy using a framework and filling out wizards will teach you how to use the framework/wizards and not the language ifself. Learning ROR does not teach you Ruby any more than Using DW's GUI builder teach you html or CSS. To start I recommend: http://learncf.com/ http://www.cfoop.org/ Those are just my opinions. On Feb 6, 2008 11:28 AM, Mark Fuqua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benign I'm sure everyone on this list will say yes to learning oop right away. Well, almost everyone. I'll point you instead to productivityenhancement.com where you can download a framework called PLUM. Plum is a framework that uses the best of what coldfusion was designed to be...a quick, easy to learn, scripting language that makes extensive use of custom tags. Download plum, work through the tutorials you'll be building scalable, robust applications in half the development time as the more seasoned oop developers do. Plum makes extensive use of CFC's, but it also has a few dozen custom tags that make development much faster and easier to learn and creates a natural procedural/oop hybrid framework. Not only will you be up and running much faster, but as you delve into the framework's code, you'll learn, by osmosis, best practices for coldfusion development. When you are ready to learn oop, start with an oop language (oop + coldfusion is a bit of a hack), like AS 3.0 or java or .net/c#. Mark -Original Message- From: Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFC, YES OR NO Hi: I am using CF for while now but I have no other programing background. I used Lynda.com video tutorials to learn CF and some other online tutorials like EasyCFM.com. Several days efore I recieved two new CF8 tutorials from Lynda.com(Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Essential Training | Lynda.comColdFusion 8 Beyond the Basics) but I got confused completely! David Gassner the tutor has a complete plan to talks about many corners of CF but he starts using CFCs very soon at the middle of the first tutorial. He mentions you can never use CFCs and make all the application using simple CF tags but knowing CFCs helps you make it more reusable and manageable. I found CFCs VERY confusing for myself. I tried to learn it but I didn't get it completely. Maybe because I have no programing background with other languages other than HTML. What do you think? Should I learn it? Does it gradually become the core of CF programing to use CFCs? Please write me your opinions, knowledge and experiences about the subject. Thanks Benign ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298394 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CFC, YES OR NO
CFC's can be cached in the application scope, so you don't have to include the file every time, plus it should run at least slightly faster. Russ -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFC, YES OR NO On Feb 6, 2008 12:24 PM, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't agree with that at all. the use of CFCs doesn't necessarily have anything to do with object oriented design. Lots of CFCs are just groupings of functions to perform application tasks. But they're not really object oriented at all, they're functional. just 'cuz i think this could be an interesting convo... then why use CFCs at all? if you're just grouping similar functions together, why not just a cfinclude to a .cfm? paul kenney actually addressed this a lil' while back: http://www.pjk.us/paul/index.cfm/2007/4/11/Why-do-you-use-CFCs interesting read :) -- Evelyn the dog, having undergone further modification pondered the significance of short-person behaviour in pedal depressed, pan-chromatic resonance, and other highly ambient domains. Arf, she said. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298399 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
32bit Java. 64bit Java doesn't suffer from this limitation AFAIR. Speaking of which, is CF certified on any 64bit java? I remember something about it being certified on x64 Solaris or something. Is anyone using it on a 64bit Java under windows? Hmmm, this knowledge base article shows what is supported: http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=8be22ed6slice Id=2 I also found this on another Adobe page: Enhancement request 59638 has been opened to add 64-bit Java VM support in a future release of ColdFusion MX. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298400 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CF .NET
I have a JS menu that is configured using a CFM file. The CFM file is the one that creates all the menu items based on security permissions. Question is this: How can I use that same configuration on a .NET application? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298401 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Software Recommendations
Project Tracker looks pretty good, and is open source. I'm pretty sure it works on 2005 too: http://projecttracker.riaforge.org/ Mark On Feb 7, 2008 8:05 AM, Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I just finished a meeting with our maintenance department. They showed me this huge POS hosted application that they have been using for managing their projects/maintenance requests. So I get to build a new trouble-ticket system for them. Rather than re-invent the wheel I thought I would solicit this list to see if you all could offer some recommendations to similar applications that are out there. The basic requirements are: Open-source CF CF-8 compatible SQL Server 2005 compatible Relatively inexpensive (the Govonator just proclaimed that we are in a state of fiscal emergency and is proposing HUGE budget cuts to K-12 funding) These are the basic requirements. The main reason for open-source is I know from experience that nothing comes out of the box with everything a customer needs so I will more than likely be making tweaks to it as well as adding functionality like Exchange integration and extending it to work with a budgeting app I need to create, and wireless device (read: Blackberry/Palm) integration as well as others. Thanks, Bruce ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298402 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Is the need for multiple CF instances diminishing?
Russ wrote: The 2GB address space limit only exists on 32 bit architectures, correct? A server running lets say Windows 2003 x64 Server or any flavor of x64 Linux wouldn't have that limitation, correct? So why are we stuck using the outdated 32bit JVM? How long have 64-bit Sun JVMs been out and supported for Windows and Solaris? Would it be a coincidence that CF on Solaris is at 64-bit and CF on Windows isn't? Jochem ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298404 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
