RE: Error message

[Jenny Gavin-Wear]

Many thanks Robert,

I've added some extra verification to the data being written to the cookie,
will see how that goes.

I suspect it is happening when a spam bot hits the form and the data being
provided isn't valid.

Jenny Gavin-Wear
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Tel: 01262 602013
http://www.fasttrackonline.co.uk/


>>-Original Message-
>>From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com]
>>Sent: 20 October 2011 15:34
>>To: cf-talk
>>Subject: RE: Error message
>>
>>
>>
>>It appears you are allowing user to enter some values then
>>storing them as cookies. The error you are showing looks like it
>>may be a syntax error in the CF code where some line is not
>>seeing the values correctly. This could happen if you get a stray
>>" or stray # in your user values somewhere and aren't handling
>>them correctly...
>>
>>Are you handling special characters like " and # in your user
>>entry fields?  I'd check that. Try putting some values containing
>>" or # in your entry fields and see if that can duplicate the
>>error.  Try starting a value with " also.
>>
>>That isn't necessarily the cause, but it's a possiblilty.
>>
>>Robert B. Harrison
>>Director of Interactive Services
>>Austin & Williams
>>125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100
>>Hauppauge NY 11788
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Annoying CF Form Validation Error

[Robert Harrison]

Well, this is just an annoyance, but it seems there is a minor error in the CF 
form validation when you use validate="float".  It does not validate correctly. 
It allows both a $ sign and/or a , to be inserted in the field. 

That's just wrong.

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Re: SHA-1 digest in CF7

[Alan Rother]

SHA-1 is in the algorithm options hash in CF 7

http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/wwhelp/wwhimpl/common/html/wwhelp.htm?context=ColdFusion_Documentation&file=0503.htm

SHA: Generates a 28-character string using the Secure Hash Standard SHA-1
algorithm specified by Nation Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
FIPS-180-2.



On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Rex  wrote:

>
> Yep if you have SQL Server, you can have it create the SHA1 hash for
> you.  Sorry if high level, but I need to run.
>
> - Rex
>
> On 10/20/2011 11:33 AM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> > I know that SHA-1 was not included in 7, but is there a way around
> > this...possibly using a java method to create a hash.  An API we are
> using
> > uses a SHA-1 hash digest and there is no choice in the encryption method.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: SHA-1 digest in CF7

[Rex]

Yep if you have SQL Server, you can have it create the SHA1 hash for 
you.  Sorry if high level, but I need to run.

- Rex

On 10/20/2011 11:33 AM, Eric Roberts wrote:
> I know that SHA-1 was not included in 7, but is there a way around
> this...possibly using a java method to create a hash.  An API we are using
> uses a SHA-1 hash digest and there is no choice in the encryption method.
> Any ideas?
>
> Eric
>
>
> 

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SHA-1 digest in CF7

[Eric Roberts]

I know that SHA-1 was not included in 7, but is there a way around
this...possibly using a java method to create a hash.  An API we are using
uses a SHA-1 hash digest and there is no choice in the encryption method.
Any ideas?

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Re: Displaying and storing 3-state boolean values

[Gerald Guido]

In MySQL there is a data type called ENUM that allows you to store a lost of
preset values like so:

CREATE TABLE sizes (
name ENUM('small', 'medium', 'large')
);

Unfortunately there is no equivalent to ENUM in MSSQL.  However it is
possible to emulate the same functionality using a constraint.

http://www.stev.org/post/2011/05/26/MSSQL-Enum.aspx

HTH,
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On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, John M Bliss  wrote:

>
> I think the clearest method is probably selects with options:
>
> value - display
> NULL - not set (or similar)
> 1 - true/yes/on
> 0 - false/no/off
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Carl Von Stetten
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm rewriting a CF application that stores its data in SQL Server (2005,
> > moving to 2008R2 soon).  I have a number of bit datatype columns in my
> > tables, which correspond to true/false or yes/no values in the
> application.
> >  For some of these values, I need to track if they have not yet been set
> to
> > either true or false.  On the database side, I can allow the columns to
> > contain nulls (and apply a default constraint set to null), so the value
> in
> > the column could be null, 0 or 1.
> >
> > On the application UI side, bit values are typically represented by
> > checkboxes.  It seems to me that checkboxes can only clearly communicate
> two
> > states.  I could use a set of radio buttons, and have neither radio
> button
> > on by default (which would represent null values in the database).  Is
> this
> > the best way, or are there alternatives?
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Question about SQL Encryption VS CF Encryption

[Russ Michaels]

don't forget you can also add any random string to any value before hashing it

so if customers password is "12345" then you can add "678910" to it
before hashing it and also include this in any hash comaprison as
well. This also helps with users who insist on using weak passwords.


On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Cameron Childress  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:26 PM, <> wrote:
>
>> Further more, a hash value cannot be decrypted, then the passwords in the
>> database are 100% protected.
>>
>
> They are certainly not 100% protected.
>
> I've been using bCrypt lately with good results.  More secure than an
> unsalted hash, iterations and salts are stored with the resulting hash so
> they are easier to manage.  Good stuff.
>
> http://blog.mxunit.org/2011/02/hashing-passwords-with-bcrypt-in.html
>
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>
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Re: Displaying and storing 3-state boolean values

[John M Bliss]

I think the clearest method is probably selects with options:

value - display
NULL - not set (or similar)
1 - true/yes/on
0 - false/no/off

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Carl Von Stetten
wrote:

>
> I'm rewriting a CF application that stores its data in SQL Server (2005,
> moving to 2008R2 soon).  I have a number of bit datatype columns in my
> tables, which correspond to true/false or yes/no values in the application.
>  For some of these values, I need to track if they have not yet been set to
> either true or false.  On the database side, I can allow the columns to
> contain nulls (and apply a default constraint set to null), so the value in
> the column could be null, 0 or 1.
>
> On the application UI side, bit values are typically represented by
> checkboxes.  It seems to me that checkboxes can only clearly communicate two
> states.  I could use a set of radio buttons, and have neither radio button
> on by default (which would represent null values in the database).  Is this
> the best way, or are there alternatives?
>
> 

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Displaying and storing 3-state boolean values

[Carl Von Stetten]

I'm rewriting a CF application that stores its data in SQL Server (2005, moving 
to 2008R2 soon).  I have a number of bit datatype columns in my tables, which 
correspond to true/false or yes/no values in the application.  For some of 
these values, I need to track if they have not yet been set to either true or 
false.  On the database side, I can allow the columns to contain nulls (and 
apply a default constraint set to null), so the value in the column could be 
null, 0 or 1.

On the application UI side, bit values are typically represented by checkboxes. 
 It seems to me that checkboxes can only clearly communicate two states.  I 
could use a set of radio buttons, and have neither radio button on by default 
(which would represent null values in the database).  Is this the best way, or 
are there alternatives? 

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Re: Question about SQL Encryption VS CF Encryption

[Cameron Childress]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:26 PM, <> wrote:

> Further more, a hash value cannot be decrypted, then the passwords in the
> database are 100% protected.
>

They are certainly not 100% protected.

I've been using bCrypt lately with good results.  More secure than an
unsalted hash, iterations and salts are stored with the resulting hash so
they are easier to manage.  Good stuff.

http://blog.mxunit.org/2011/02/hashing-passwords-with-bcrypt-in.html

-Cameron

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Re: Question about SQL Encryption VS CF Encryption

[Phillip Vector]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Justin Scott  wrote:
>
>> Further more, a hash value cannot be decrypted, then the
>> passwords in the database are 100% protected.

I once looked up my password on google and there it was. It wasn't a
common word either, but something along the lines of 8y8B*&

I can assure you, hash values CAN be figured out.

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Re: Question about SQL Encryption VS CF Encryption

[Justin Scott]

> Further more, a hash value cannot be decrypted, then the
> passwords in the database are 100% protected.

It's true that a hash can't be "decrypted" in the traditional sense,
but attackers have been building lists of pre-hashed common words to
compare hashes against for years (go search for "rainbow tables" for
more information).  Simple hashing isn't really enough anymore.  Add
salt to that hash, either as an application-wide value, or preferably
a different salt for each user account.  Essentially this is just
adding some known value to the password before hashing so that an
attacker can't rely on a rainbow table to look up the original
password based on the generated hash value (e.g. different salt =
different hash value).


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Re: Question about SQL Encryption VS CF Encryption

[Alan Rother]

As long as they both use the same Hash algorithm

http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/functions_h-im_01.html

You'll need to verify what hash your SQL system is using,

Here are the docs for MS SQL Server

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms174415.aspx



On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Torrent Girl  wrote:

>
> > Actually you don't need to decrypt passwords at all. For something
> > like passwords you could use HASH store them in the data base. Then to
> > check to see that a user's password is correct, also convert that to a
> > has value and compare hash value to hash value. At least, that's how I
> > do it.
> >
> Sorry I do the same thing.
>
> I hash what the user submits and compare it to what's in the DB. That is
> where my question lies:
>
> If I hash the word "tree" with SQL, and then has it with CF, will I get the
> same result?
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Question about SQL Encryption VS CF Encryption

[Torrent Girl]

> Actually you don't need to decrypt passwords at all. For something 
> like passwords you could use HASH store them in the data base. Then to 
> check to see that a user's password is correct, also convert that to a 
> has value and compare hash value to hash value. At least, that's how I 
> do it.
> 
Sorry I do the same thing.

I hash what the user submits and compare it to what's in the DB. That is where 
my question lies:

If I hash the word "tree" with SQL, and then has it with CF, will I get the 
same result?




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Re: Question about SQL Encryption VS CF Encryption

[Torrent Girl]

> If you use the same "settings" - algorithm and key they should be 
> compatible.


So for instance, if I do an md5 hash update on all of the password in sql, I 
can use the CF MD5 hash to check the password when a user logs in?


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Re: Question about SQL Encryption VS CF Encryption

[Claude Schnéegans]

 >>For something like passwords you could use HASH store them in the data base.

Further more, a hash value cannot be decrypted, then the passwords in the 
database are 100% protected.

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RE: Question about SQL Encryption VS CF Encryption

[Robert Harrison]

Actually you don't need to decrypt passwords at all. For something like 
passwords you could use HASH store them in the data base. Then to check to see 
that a user's password is correct, also convert that to a has value and compare 
hash value to hash value. At least, that's how I do it.

Some sample code below:

One storage, convert password to hash value: password='#trim(Hash(form.password1, "SHA"))#', 

On check, convert value you are check to has value...



SELECT id
FROM   tbl_user_ids
WHERE  uid= and password COLLATE Latin1_General_CS_AS=





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Re: Question about SQL Encryption VS CF Encryption

[.jonah]

If you use the same "settings" - algorithm and key they should be 
compatible.

On 10/20/11 9:13 AM, Torrent Girl wrote:
> Hi All.
>
> I have what may be a dumb question.
>
> I am going through the process of encrypting passwords in an existing 
> database but I am doing it via a CF template where I retrieve the top 5 
> records, loop over them and update each record with an encrypted value. I 
> know, I know
>
> I am doing it this way because I received some sort of HEAP error when I 
> tried to update all of the records at once.
>
> I have been at this for 2 days now (there are millions of records)
>
> My question is, if I do the encryption via SQL, can I use CF to decrypt 
> successfully when the user logs? Will the 2 match or will this be two totally 
> different types of encryption?

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Question about SQL Encryption VS CF Encryption

[Torrent Girl]

Hi All.

I have what may be a dumb question. 

I am going through the process of encrypting passwords in an existing database 
but I am doing it via a CF template where I retrieve the top 5 records, 
loop over them and update each record with an encrypted value. I know, I 
know 

I am doing it this way because I received some sort of HEAP error when I tried 
to update all of the records at once.

I have been at this for 2 days now (there are millions of records)

My question is, if I do the encryption via SQL, can I use CF to decrypt 
successfully when the user logs? Will the 2 match or will this be two totally 
different types of encryption?


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Question about SQL Encryption VS CF Encryption

[Torrent Girl]

Hi All.

I have what may be a dumb question. 

I am going through the process of encrypting passwords in an existing database 
but I am doing it via a CF template where I retrieve the top 5 records, 
loop over them and update each record with an encrypted value. I know, I 
know 

I am doing it this way because I received some sort of HEAP error when I tried 
to update all of the records at once.

I have been at this for 2 days now (there are millions of records)

My question is, if I do the encryption via SQL, can I use CF to decrypt 
successfully when the user logs? Will the 2 match or will this be two totally 
different types of encryption?


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RE: Error message

[Robert Harrison]

It appears you are allowing user to enter some values then storing them as 
cookies. The error you are showing looks like it may be a syntax error in the 
CF code where some line is not seeing the values correctly. This could happen 
if you get a stray " or stray # in your user values somewhere and aren't 
handling them correctly... 

Are you handling special characters like " and # in your user entry fields?  
I'd check that. Try putting some values containing " or # in your entry fields 
and see if that can duplicate the error.  Try starting a value with " also.

That isn't necessarily the cause, but it's a possiblilty.

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Re: Images stored in a database...

[Pete Freitag]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Gerald Guido  wrote:
>
> Awesome find Pete. Thanx for Sharing!

You're welcome Gerald. One thing I forgot to mention about the IIS
version (from Helicon) is that it requires CF 9.0.1 running the native
IIS7 connector - it doesn't work in IIS6 compatibility mode.

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Error message

[Jenny Gavin-Wear]

Hi all,

I'm trying to pin down the cause of the following error in the application
log.

"Element is undefined in a Java object of type class
coldfusion.runtime.CookieScope referenced as "

The code it points to is:-







It occurs quite rarely, perhaps 2-3 times a day.

TIA for any suggestions,


Jenny Gavin-Wear
Fast Track Online
Tel: 01262 602013
http://www.fasttrackonline.co.uk/



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