(announce) CF Functions in JavaScript
Ever wished that JavaScript had some of the cool ColdFusion functions like ListContainsNoCase, Trim, or the List structure? Well now it does. This is my initial attempt at porting some CF Functions for use on the client-side (in JS). Good for form validation and the like. Feedback, suggestions, criticism are welcome and desired. This is an ongoing project and will evolve and improve over time. http://devex.allaire.com/developer/gallery/info.cfm?ID=FBB57483-ED7F-11D5-83F800508B94F85A&method=Full This has been released under the BSD license, so feel free to modify and contribute as you wish. Joe -- | | Joe Grossberg :: Programmer :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: | Matrix Group Int'l :: www.matrixgroup.net :: 703.838.9777 | "Hay is for horses." | ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Cold Fusion Magazine? Any Good?
I would recommend it. It's not perfect, but they cover a wide range of subjects (mostly CFML- and SQL, code-oriented) of interest to CF Developers. THey also have a good, albeit small, Q&A section. Best of all, they seem to have stuff suitable for beginners, intermediate and advanced in every issue. Joe ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Is CF still relevant?
1) "JSP is good, but it's a pain to learn." -- would it not be worth the extra time invested to learn it? 2) "Cold Fusion provides a great approace to providing rapid-application development that quite honestly php, asp, and jsp cannot compete with. A seasoned cold-fusion person can keep up to most tasks faster than any other." -- I don't disagree with that, when it comes to building web sites with database-driven content. However, CF seems to fall behind when it comes to other tasks that you might want a server to do, in my experience. If you're calling the better-suited things in as a CF object (e.g. Java, COM, MSXML) to do things, then why not just use those technologies (or families of technologies) and skip the CF entirely? Joe ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Is CF still relevant?
You brought up and interesting point, and Neo will be a big boost to CF, IMHO, and I'll be psyched when it arrives. But if someone knows Java, why not just use JRun at that point? Also, Allaire doesn't seem to have a concrete date for CF Server 5 release, much less Neo (a.k.a. version 6). However, while I think that some additional stuff CF does is good (e.g. integration with Flash; I think the MM/Allaire merger is very complimentary), it seems like it's just way behind on other things. I mean, even Perl programmers can use OOP and XML if they want to, but it's not necessary. With CF, you don't even have that option. ColdFusion just seems like it's always a step (or more) behind the competing technologies. I also don't like the fact that we're basically depending on one vendor for everything except a smattering of custom tags and minor third-party applications. If something in Perl or Python doesn't work, someone fixes it soon. If something in ASP or Java doesn't work, then MS or Sun fixes it (or another company will sell it, because the market is large enough). But since Allaire is solely responsible for CF Studio, CF Server, Spectra, JRun, etc., it seems like we're putting all our eggs in one basket. Like, "Oh, your upgrade to CF Server 4.5 broke your CFHTTP / CFFTP / CFMAIL tag? Well you have to downgrade to 4.0 or just wait ... until ... whenever we finally release 5.0 ... assuming it's fixed then." Like I said, I think CF has its plusses and minuses, but it just seems less compelling to me by the month. Joe >From: "Derek Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Is CF still relevant? >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:40:36 -0700 > >A couple thoughts... > >Don't you think Neo/Java will enable CF to pull in other developers and let >those of us that know Java expand what we would typically do with CF? >Also, >don't you think that Allaire now being Macromedia will enhance it's staying >power and entice more developers to learn CF? > >At our company we use CF because it is fast to develop with. No other >language we've found has been so fast AND powerful. > >Derek Hamilton >Systems Developer > > >- Original Message - >From: "Joseph Grossberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:27 PM >Subject: Is CF still relevant? > > > > Now, before you dismiss this as a troll, please let me elaborate. This >isn't > > so much an instigation or a whine as it is a call for us to take a step >back > > and reevalutate things periodically. > > > > Over the course of my career as a web programmer/developer, I have >worked > > with a variety of sever-side languages and technologies: ColdFusion, >ASP, > > JSP, PHP, Perl and Python. I like some more than others, but I'm not an > > evangelist for any; they each have their uses. And I recognize some of >CF's > > strengths: easy to learn for people who know only tag-based HTML or >don't > > have significant programming experience; built-in admin tool; >specialized > > editor; comes with pre-built tags and web-based administrator. There are > > also major flaws: broken/sketchy tags; no XML parsing; not OOP; >relatively > > small community; etc. > > > > Right now, I work at a web development firm that is primarily "a CF >house" > > (besides me). Our more senior programmers are looking at honing their CF > > skills, while our less experienced webmasters are trying to learn > > ColdFusion. But, I can't help but wonder whether they are wasting their > > time. Would they be better off spending their time learning ASP, Java or > > another non-CF solution? Why or why not? > > > > And how would we tell if and when it was time to give up CF and try > > something else, as all but the most stubborn experts in also-ran >languages > > (Ada, SmallTalk), applications (Netscape, Lotus Notes) and Operating >Systems > > (Amiga) have resignedly done? > > > > Lastly, why do *you* still use CF? Is it because it's what you're best >at, > > and you don't want to try something new (where, temporarily, you'd be a > > novice again)? Is it because your ccompany's legacy code is all in CF? >Is >it > > because you genuinely think that ColdFusion is, generally speaking, the >best > > solution for web application development in 2001? > > > > Joe > > > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Is CF still relevant?
Now, before you dismiss this as a troll, please let me elaborate. This isn't so much an instigation or a whine as it is a call for us to take a step back and reevalutate things periodically. Over the course of my career as a web programmer/developer, I have worked with a variety of sever-side languages and technologies: ColdFusion, ASP, JSP, PHP, Perl and Python. I like some more than others, but I'm not an evangelist for any; they each have their uses. And I recognize some of CF's strengths: easy to learn for people who know only tag-based HTML or don't have significant programming experience; built-in admin tool; specialized editor; comes with pre-built tags and web-based administrator. There are also major flaws: broken/sketchy tags; no XML parsing; not OOP; relatively small community; etc. Right now, I work at a web development firm that is primarily "a CF house" (besides me). Our more senior programmers are looking at honing their CF skills, while our less experienced webmasters are trying to learn ColdFusion. But, I can't help but wonder whether they are wasting their time. Would they be better off spending their time learning ASP, Java or another non-CF solution? Why or why not? And how would we tell if and when it was time to give up CF and try something else, as all but the most stubborn experts in also-ran languages (Ada, SmallTalk), applications (Netscape, Lotus Notes) and Operating Systems (Amiga) have resignedly done? Lastly, why do *you* still use CF? Is it because it's what you're best at, and you don't want to try something new (where, temporarily, you'd be a novice again)? Is it because your ccompany's legacy code is all in CF? Is it because you genuinely think that ColdFusion is, generally speaking, the best solution for web application development in 2001? Joe ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
