Re: Creating formatted documents on the fly n CF

2000-05-01 Thread Max Paperno

Reed,

I've had good success using a product from Caere called OmniForm Internet Filer (or 
something of the sort).  This is similar to Adobe's PDF/FDF forms but is easier to 
work with (not to mention less expensive).  The forms themselves are written using a 
text markup language (using Caere's visual design tool which will import various 
formats as well as do scanning/OCR) and can therefore have CF code embedded in them 
(and then processed via CFINCLUDE, for example).  This would be similar to a RTF 
solution (which is also a text markup language) with the added benefit that you can 
specify which parts of the generated forms are modifiable, if any.  On the client 
side, one needs a little (free) browser plugin to interpret the resulting forms.

Might be worth your time to check out.

Cheers,
-Max

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Re: Creating formatted documents on the fly n CF

2000-05-01 Thread Stephen M. Aylor

Reed,

Hello..

> What would be a good solution in CF?  Interacting with Word in the
> background seems to be harder in a server based environment than when it
is
> on the user's client PC.

Working with Word may be easier... initially.

> What about Using Acrobat forms: generating an
> Acrobat FDF file from CF, and letting Acrobat do the merge?

We're doing this ... using Adobe Acrobat FDFToolkit and CFObject/wddx. So
far so good.

CF and PDF can do this.  Acrobat will likely not be the tool to "merge" the
data.  You'll need Adobe's FDFTookit or another "server" side tool that
manipulates fdf/pdf.  I'd recommend Digital Applications "FDFMerge"
www.digapp.com. Its not the cheapest solution, but is considered by many to
be the best Server Side pdf forms tool available.

> One of the
> variables seems to be the fact that some of the content will vary from one
> type of deal to the next, but a good bit of it is the same.

To keep your sanity, and use PDF Forms for this.. you may need to
standardize your potential layouts as different forms, then
"concatenate(sp?)" or merge the fdf merged forms into one that is displayed
to the user.

> Also, there is
> the fact that the tables of hardware information that need to be generated
> will vary in size - can Acrobat Forms handle that?

Im not sure I understand what you mean?  You can pump db data into your pdf
forms...pretty straight forward, however if you need to change the layout of
your pdf doc dynamically and on the fly - that is a different animal, and
will likey require some "raw" pdf creation tools/libraries.  (www.pdflib.com
www.fastio.com) Not my cup o' tea - but many people doing it daily.


> One of the shortcomings of the current app is that it generates Word docs,
> which are modifiable.  One of the ideas for the new app is to generate PDF
> files as output.  Are there any background PDF generation tools?  I looked
> in the developer's exchange, and saw some PDF tools, but nothing along
this
> line.

One of the cool things we liked about pdf, acrobat 4, is that the form and
individual "fields" can be set to "read only", and the whole pdf can be
"signed" programatically. Any alterations to the form doc after signature
shows a trail by date, by user - all contained within the document (pretty
cool).  Also the protability and index/searchability of pdf's may make it
worth the extra efforts.

As far as server side pdf generation tools go.. heres a few places to start
your quest. (in no particular oder)

www.pdfzone.com  www.planetpdf.com  www.acrobuddies.com  www.acroforms.com
www.digapp.com  www.fastio.com

www.pdflib.com   www.activepdf.com


And of course Adobe's developer sites

All the best,

Stephen M. Aylor
Aylor Insurance Agency, Inc.
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RE: Creating formatted documents on the fly n CF

2000-05-01 Thread Dustin Miller

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You can create RTF files that will open in Word with very little
difficulty.  If you're interested in this approach, just say so and
I'll spill the beans on it.  Or you can do a search of the Forums for
the RTF articles I wrote a few years back that tell you everything
you need to know about creating RTF files from CF Data.

:)

Dustin

> -Original Message-
> From: Reed Powell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Creating formatted documents on the fly n CF
> 
> 
> I just inherited another application, currently written in VBA,
> that needs to be integrated into the rest of my CF web site. Am
> looking for 
> ideas on a
> couple of techniques.
> 
> The application is used to gather information from a salesperson
> about the deal that they are pursuing, and then generates the
> appropriate customer documents (statements of work, etc), that
> contain the correct 
> paragraphs and
> supporting details, based on what the salesperson entered.  For 
> instance, if
> the salesperson says that this is a server management deal, for 
> 15 servers,
> then the SOW will be specific to server management, and there will
> be sections that contain information on those 15 servers.  If it 
> were a network
> support deal, there would be information on routers, etc.
> 
> The current app is in VBA, with  the data in an Access database. 
> VBA interacts with MS Word to create the documents. The application
> actually runs on the client PC, with the Access database on a
> network drive.  
> 
> What would be a good solution in CF?  Interacting with Word in the
> background seems to be harder in a server based environment than 
> when it is
> on the user's client PC.  What about Using Acrobat forms:
> generating an Acrobat FDF file from CF, and letting Acrobat do the
> merge?  One of the variables seems to be the fact that some of the
> content will vary from one type of deal to the next, but a good bit
> of it is the same.  
> Also, there is
> the fact that the tables of hardware information that need to be
> generated will vary in size - can Acrobat Forms handle that?
> 
> If the printing capabilities of HTML were a little further along,
> I'd be thinking of simply generating HTML docs, but things like
> pagination, indexing, etc., are currently a pain to handle. I do
> have the 
> flexibility of
> limiting users to only using IE.
> 
> One of the shortcomings of the current app is that it generates
> Word docs, which are modifiable.  One of the ideas for the new app
> is to generate PDF files as output.  Are there any background PDF
> generation tools?  I looked in the developer's exchange, and saw
> some PDF tools, but nothing 
> along this
> line.
> 
> Thanks for the help!
> -reed
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Creating formatted documents on the fly n CF

2000-05-01 Thread Reed Powell

I just inherited another application, currently written in VBA, that needs
to be integrated into the rest of my CF web site. Am looking for ideas on a
couple of techniques.

The application is used to gather information from a salesperson about the
deal that they are pursuing, and then generates the appropriate customer
documents (statements of work, etc), that contain the correct paragraphs and
supporting details, based on what the salesperson entered.  For instance, if
the salesperson says that this is a server management deal, for 15 servers,
then the SOW will be specific to server management, and there will be
sections that contain information on those 15 servers.  If it were a network
support deal, there would be information on routers, etc.

The current app is in VBA, with  the data in an Access database.  VBA
interacts with MS Word to create the documents. The application actually
runs on the client PC, with the Access database on a network drive.

What would be a good solution in CF?  Interacting with Word in the
background seems to be harder in a server based environment than when it is
on the user's client PC.  What about Using Acrobat forms: generating an
Acrobat FDF file from CF, and letting Acrobat do the merge?  One of the
variables seems to be the fact that some of the content will vary from one
type of deal to the next, but a good bit of it is the same.  Also, there is
the fact that the tables of hardware information that need to be generated
will vary in size - can Acrobat Forms handle that?

If the printing capabilities of HTML were a little further along, I'd be
thinking of simply generating HTML docs, but things like pagination,
indexing, etc., are currently a pain to handle. I do have the flexibility of
limiting users to only using IE.

One of the shortcomings of the current app is that it generates Word docs,
which are modifiable.  One of the ideas for the new app is to generate PDF
files as output.  Are there any background PDF generation tools?  I looked
in the developer's exchange, and saw some PDF tools, but nothing along this
line.

Thanks for the help!
-reed

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