Crystaltech session invalid error
On the CT forum some people have mentioned that their 6.1 servers are now showing session invalid errors, even though they are using a session timeout of 20 mins as per the J2EE and CF Admin settings. Is anyone here having that problem? I'm looking at hosting options now and I don't want to get into a host that's having problems. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206822 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
re: Crystaltech session invalid error
you mean too tell me that you missed that whole ordeal on here? search the archives there is plenty of juice on that. A solution, go to host my site. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:04 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Crystaltech session invalid error On the CT forum some people have mentioned that their 6.1 servers are now showing session invalid errors, even though they are using a session timeout of 20 mins as per the J2EE and CF Admin settings. Is anyone here having that problem? I'm looking at hosting options now and I don't want to get into a host that's having problems. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206823 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Crystaltech session invalid error
LOL I'm with hostmysite and the security there is nonexistent. JSP is enabled and they don't sandbox datasources at all, meaning anyone can read anyone else's code and alter their databases. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 3:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: re: Crystaltech session invalid error you mean too tell me that you missed that whole ordeal on here? search the archives there is plenty of juice on that. A solution, go to host my site. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:04 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Crystaltech session invalid error On the CT forum some people have mentioned that their 6.1 servers are now showing session invalid errors, even though they are using a session timeout of 20 mins as per the J2EE and CF Admin settings. Is anyone here having that problem? I'm looking at hosting options now and I don't want to get into a host that's having problems. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206824 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Crystaltech session invalid error
WTFE dude, they are completely tight assed on security. JSP is enabled and they don't sandbox datasources at all, meaning anyone can read anyone else's code and alter their databases. thats a load of crap, I have to have them configure my sandbox all the time. So prove it, go alter one of my databases its on mysql4 server, database name jamwerxcom. If you are gunna say something like that I hope you can prove it! ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:32 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error LOL I'm with hostmysite and the security there is nonexistent. JSP is enabled and they don't sandbox datasources at all, meaning anyone can read anyone else's code and alter their databases. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 3:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: re: Crystaltech session invalid error you mean too tell me that you missed that whole ordeal on here? search the archives there is plenty of juice on that. A solution, go to host my site. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Crystaltech session invalid error On the CT forum some people have mentioned that their 6.1 servers are now showing session invalid errors, even though they are using a session timeout of 20 mins as per the J2EE and CF Admin settings. Is anyone here having that problem? I'm looking at hosting options now and I don't want to get into a host that's having problems. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206825 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Crystaltech session invalid error
oh and wtf does having JSP enabled have to do with having no security? I'll sit here and patiently wait for my code to be read and my databases altered. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:32 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error LOL I'm with hostmysite and the security there is nonexistent. JSP is enabled and they don't sandbox datasources at all, meaning anyone can read anyone else's code and alter their databases. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 3:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: re: Crystaltech session invalid error you mean too tell me that you missed that whole ordeal on here? search the archives there is plenty of juice on that. A solution, go to host my site. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Crystaltech session invalid error On the CT forum some people have mentioned that their 6.1 servers are now showing session invalid errors, even though they are using a session timeout of 20 mins as per the J2EE and CF Admin settings. Is anyone here having that problem? I'm looking at hosting options now and I don't want to get into a host that's having problems. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206826 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Crystaltech session invalid error
Actually I've been working with another person to do just that. I'm not on the same server as you, since I'm using their linux offering (i.e. the Smarterlinux servers) but I can assure you I could do exactly what I say with the current settings on my account. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 3:38 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error WTFE dude, they are completely tight assed on security. JSP is enabled and they don't sandbox datasources at all, meaning anyone can read anyone else's code and alter their databases. thats a load of crap, I have to have them configure my sandbox all the time. So prove it, go alter one of my databases its on mysql4 server, database name jamwerxcom. If you are gunna say something like that I hope you can prove it! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206827 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Crystaltech session invalid error
JSP runs outside of the CF security sandboxing model and allows full acces to the server. I am able to traverse the entire server using a single JSP file. MM writes about this here: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/security/security_zone/mpsb02-04.html and here http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/6.1/htmldocs/config23.htm -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 3:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error oh and wtf does having JSP enabled have to do with having no security? I'll sit here and patiently wait for my code to be read and my databases altered. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:32 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error LOL I'm with hostmysite and the security there is nonexistent. JSP is enabled and they don't sandbox datasources at all, meaning anyone can read anyone else's code and alter their databases. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 3:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: re: Crystaltech session invalid error you mean too tell me that you missed that whole ordeal on here? search the archives there is plenty of juice on that. A solution, go to host my site. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Crystaltech session invalid error On the CT forum some people have mentioned that their 6.1 servers are now showing session invalid errors, even though they are using a session timeout of 20 mins as per the J2EE and CF Admin settings. Is anyone here having that problem? I'm looking at hosting options now and I don't want to get into a host that's having problems. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206828 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Crystaltech session invalid error
JSP is enabled by default on CFMX and the CF Sandbox cannot restrict access to JSP functionality, hence on shared hosting it's a potential security risk, i.e. disable it. Andy On 5/17/05, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh and wtf does having JSP enabled have to do with having no security? I'll sit here and patiently wait for my code to be read and my databases altered. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:32 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error LOL I'm with hostmysite and the security there is nonexistent. JSP is enabled and they don't sandbox datasources at all, meaning anyone can read anyone else's code and alter their databases. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 3:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: re: Crystaltech session invalid error you mean too tell me that you missed that whole ordeal on here? search the archives there is plenty of juice on that. A solution, go to host my site. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Crystaltech session invalid error On the CT forum some people have mentioned that their 6.1 servers are now showing session invalid errors, even though they are using a session timeout of 20 mins as per the J2EE and CF Admin settings. Is anyone here having that problem? I'm looking at hosting options now and I don't want to get into a host that's having problems. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206829 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Crystaltech session invalid error
All mine are on smarter linux as well. Alter my code, you say anyone can, so do it, because if it is true I sure as hell wanna get them to fix it. And if you can do it with jsp then lets see it, I ain't doubting you but I wanna see proof so I can get it fixed if it is the case. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:52 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error Actually I've been working with another person to do just that. I'm not on the same server as you, since I'm using their linux offering (i.e. the Smarterlinux servers) but I can assure you I could do exactly what I say with the current settings on my account. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 3:38 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error WTFE dude, they are completely tight assed on security. JSP is enabled and they don't sandbox datasources at all, meaning anyone can read anyone else's code and alter their databases. thats a load of crap, I have to have them configure my sandbox all the time. So prove it, go alter one of my databases its on mysql4 server, database name jamwerxcom. If you are gunna say something like that I hope you can prove it! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206830 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Crystaltech session invalid error
what if they are running jsp? ~Dave the disruptor~ From: Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:00 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Crystaltech session invalid error JSP is enabled by default on CFMX and the CF Sandbox cannot restrict access to JSP functionality, hence on shared hosting it's a potential security risk, i.e. disable it. Andy On 5/17/05, dave wrote: oh and wtf does having JSP enabled have to do with having no security? I'll sit here and patiently wait for my code to be read and my databases altered. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error LOL I'm with hostmysite and the security there is nonexistent. JSP is enabled and they don't sandbox datasources at all, meaning anyone can read anyone else's code and alter their databases. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 3:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: re: Crystaltech session invalid error you mean too tell me that you missed that whole ordeal on here? search the archives there is plenty of juice on that. A solution, go to host my site. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:04 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Crystaltech session invalid error On the CT forum some people have mentioned that their 6.1 servers are now showing session invalid errors, even though they are using a session timeout of 20 mins as per the J2EE and CF Admin settings. Is anyone here having that problem? I'm looking at hosting options now and I don't want to get into a host that's having problems. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206831 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Crystaltech session invalid error
I've checked and we are on different servers (I did an nslookup to confirm and we have different IPs and your account isn't in the list of vservers on my server). Darnit. However, I'll ask the other person involved (who is on my server) if they mind if I grab something harmless from their site and DB and post it, or something similar. I have something in mind but it would be a huge favour to ask and this person is not a personal friend or anything... I'll keep you posted. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 4:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error All mine are on smarter linux as well. Alter my code, you say anyone can, so do it, because if it is true I sure as hell wanna get them to fix it. And if you can do it with jsp then lets see it, I ain't doubting you but I wanna see proof so I can get it fixed if it is the case. ~Dave the disruptor~ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206833 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Crystaltech session invalid error
hum, I just ran a jsp page on mine and it wont run http://www.jamwerx.com/1.jsp. If you really think you are on to something I will let u in mine. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:17 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error I've checked and we are on different servers (I did an nslookup to confirm and we have different IPs and your account isn't in the list of vservers on my server). Darnit. However, I'll ask the other person involved (who is on my server) if they mind if I grab something harmless from their site and DB and post it, or something similar. I have something in mind but it would be a huge favour to ask and this person is not a personal friend or anything... I'll keep you posted. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 4:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error All mine are on smarter linux as well. Alter my code, you say anyone can, so do it, because if it is true I sure as hell wanna get them to fix it. And if you can do it with jsp then lets see it, I ain't doubting you but I wanna see proof so I can get it fixed if it is the case. ~Dave the disruptor~ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206834 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Crystaltech session invalid error
I'm responding privately with more info... :-) -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 4:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error hum, I just ran a jsp page on mine and it wont run http://www.jamwerx.com/1.jsp. If you really think you are on to something I will let u in mine. ~Dave the disruptor~ From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:17 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error I've checked and we are on different servers (I did an nslookup to confirm and we have different IPs and your account isn't in the list of vservers on my server). Darnit. However, I'll ask the other person involved (who is on my server) if they mind if I grab something harmless from their site and DB and post it, or something similar. I have something in mind but it would be a huge favour to ask and this person is not a personal friend or anything... I'll keep you posted. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2005 4:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error All mine are on smarter linux as well. Alter my code, you say anyone can, so do it, because if it is true I sure as hell wanna get them to fix it. And if you can do it with jsp then lets see it, I ain't doubting you but I wanna see proof so I can get it fixed if it is the case. ~Dave the disruptor~ ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206835 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Crystaltech session invalid error
Try String instead of string... Ade -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 May 2005 09:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Crystaltech session invalid error hum, I just ran a jsp page on mine and it wont run http://www.jamwerx.com/1.jsp. If you really think you are on to something I will let u in mine. ~Dave the disruptor~ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release Date: 16/05/2005 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206836 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Crystaltech session invalid error
On the CT forum some people have mentioned that their 6.1 servers are now showing session invalid errors, even though they are using a session timeout of 20 mins as per the J2EE and CF Admin settings. Is anyone here having that problem? I'm looking at hosting options now and I don't want to get into a host that's having problems. To reply to this original question, yes I have recently been seeing this on the 6.1 server I am on at Crystaltech. The previous discussions I believe revolved around problems on CF7, and tech support was of no help, as the problem was intermittent and they would only look into it if I could give them the exact steps to reproduce. I ended up putting some extra error trapping on my site, so at least if a customer runs into it, they get a message about what to do (close the browser and then start again). I haven't run into it myself in the last few days, so maybe someone there that has a clue go it straightened out. Mary Jo ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:206881 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
