Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
Yeah, they would have a fix alright... our next version will be out in 3 months... $695 for the upgrade that will include several bug fixes. For a fix for google webservice integration its far more likely that Adobe would provide the fix as a hot-fix than roll it into an update with a separate license. After all, the integration would only be replacing code you can already write yourself in CF, so the lack of a fix wouldn't mean being unable to use the webservice, it would just mean some hours of redrafting your integration. And the accompanying frustration of the developers and companies that had integrated it. For them their only incentives would be to provide it as a hot-fix -- anything else would be nothin'-but-negative for them. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298305 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
Yeah, I still remember when they changed the javascript functions that were generated with CFTREE somewhere around the transition from 4.0 to 5.0 That had a pretty big effect on one of our applications because it actually used the functions and now it became unusable with the change they did. Had we waited for a 100% reverse compatible fix, well we would still be waiting, but I can at least dream that if tags are offered to integrate with 3rd parties that Adobe would update the tags to match changes those parties might do. On Feb 5, 2008 10:14 PM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, they would have a fix alright... our next version will be out in 3 months... $695 for the upgrade that will include several bug fixes. -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys* Even if Google did change things, it means a custom solution would break and need to be revised just like a store bought solution would. So if CF9 had it built into the language and for some reason Google changed their way of doing things then I would surely hope Adobe would come out with a fix. On Feb 5, 2008 9:47 PM, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/5/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contractor: I have some phone messages that I left with your secretary, I have been trying to get in touch with you. Google has now released their newest version and the version that your system was built is no longer supported. The flaw with this being that google doesn't seem to drop support for old API versions that aren't beta I've noticed the adwords API URLs included version numbers. -- Rick Root New Brian Vander Ark Album, songs in the music player and cool behind the scenes video at www.myspace.com/brianvanderark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298311 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
not sure about Q8, but Q13, presumably, implies some sort of single tag/range of tags in cf9 to use those ws?... --- Azadi Saryev Sabai-dee.com http://www.sabai-dee.com Tom Chiverton wrote: 8. Do you want coldfusion to be supported on AMD platform? Are Adobe really suggesting there J2EE server *requires* an Intel chip ? It's all i686/x86_64 isn't it ? They would use a random propietery extension, would they ? 13. Which other products/Services would you want ColdFusion to integrate with? Google/Yahoo/Amazon webservices Umm, CF already does use these webservices. They're a web service... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298177 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
8. Do you want coldfusion to be supported on AMD platform? Are Adobe really suggesting there J2EE server *requires* an Intel chip ? It's all i686/x86_64 isn't it ? They would use a random propietery extension, would they ? 13. Which other products/Services would you want ColdFusion to integrate with? Google/Yahoo/Amazon webservices Umm, CF already does use these webservices. They're a web service... -- Tom Chiverton *http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna/controller.cfm?handler=PostHandleraction=clickpostId=253613nextPage=http%3A%2F%2Fcfchart%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F2008%2F02%2Fcoldfusion%2D9%2Dsurvey%2Ehtml if you've not read it yet This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298175 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
On Tuesday 05 Feb 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: I actually do not even recall seeing Q8 when doing the survey, guess it shows how much I cared about that question. Did you do both ? -- Tom Chiverton Helping to confidentially introduce essential experiences on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298196 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
I thought Q13 also was implying that some tags would be developed for ease of integration. I actually do not even recall seeing Q8 when doing the survey, guess it shows how much I cared about that question. On Feb 5, 2008 3:56 AM, Azadi Saryev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not sure about Q8, but Q13, presumably, implies some sort of single tag/range of tags in cf9 to use those ws?... --- Azadi Saryev Sabai-dee.com http://www.sabai-dee.com Tom Chiverton wrote: 8. Do you want coldfusion to be supported on AMD platform? Are Adobe really suggesting there J2EE server *requires* an Intel chip ? It's all i686/x86_64 isn't it ? They would use a random propietery extension, would they ? 13. Which other products/Services would you want ColdFusion to integrate with? Google/Yahoo/Amazon webservices Umm, CF already does use these webservices. They're a web service... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298193 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
I only did one survey, was Q8 on a different survey than Q13? If they were on the same then I probably just skimmed over Q8, because even reading it here, I just do not care one way or the other about it. On Feb 5, 2008 9:21 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 05 Feb 2008, Aaron Rouse wrote: I actually do not even recall seeing Q8 when doing the survey, guess it shows how much I cared about that question. Did you do both ? -- Tom Chiverton Helping to confidentially introduce essential experiences on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298199 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
not sure about Q8, but Q13, presumably, implies some sort of single tag/range of tags in cf9 to use those ws?... Right, think cffeed... You don't have to use cffeed to use feeds -- after all, they're already xml. You could just build or parse the xml. So what they're asking is if you think it would be an advantage to have something like a cfamazon tag, perhaps also similar to cfexchange since that's integration for a proprietary Microsoft technology. This would simply be integration for a proprietary webservice owned by google, amazon, etc. It's not high on my personal list of things I'd like to see in CF9 (which isn't very long), but I could see where other folks might be interested in having it. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298249 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
Just my 2 cents, but I can see how the cffeed was a perceived need and created for it. XML / RSS is pretty much a stable technology. However the nature of the web services, especially some of the ones that were given as examples on the question, are always being updated. A good example would be the google APIs, they are constantly changing their api to the point that after a few versions, the one version you were working with may not be available anymore. I can understand when an application built on a middle-tier language becomes outdated and needing upgrades, but what happens when the cfgoogle tag no longer works because of a versioning change by google? I think that the bad press that would be caused, and the issues raised with the developers who support ColdFusion by their clients would be too great. Imagine in you will... Client on the phone: We are having issues with the system that you built us 9 months ago, it has stopped working properly. All of our reports are showing errors. Contractor: I have some phone messages that I left with your secretary, I have been trying to get in touch with you. Google has now released their newest version and the version that your system was built is no longer supported. Client: Why did this happen? How did this happen? Can you fix it? I need this working right away. Contractor: The reason why I was calling you was to schedule some time to upgrade your system so that we could avoid down time for you. I have some time later this week, can you get a PO to approve the hours today, and I can start to get working on it? Client: How many hours do you think this will take? cfif cfgoogle Contractor: Well, since this system was originally built on the google tag in ColdFusion and that tag no longer works with current versions of google, we will need to rebuild everything from scratch. I will need XXX hours to get everything running again. Client: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@^*())[EMAIL PROTECTED]@ cfelse Contractor: I've already scoped out what would need to be changed, so the hours should be minimal, if you make the PO out for XX hours, that should cover everything. Client: I will have financial fax over a PO this afternoon. /cfif Just my 2pence -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys* not sure about Q8, but Q13, presumably, implies some sort of single tag/range of tags in cf9 to use those ws?... Right, think cffeed... You don't have to use cffeed to use feeds -- after all, they're already xml. You could just build or parse the xml. So what they're asking is if you think it would be an advantage to have something like a cfamazon tag, perhaps also similar to cfexchange since that's integration for a proprietary Microsoft technology. This would simply be integration for a proprietary webservice owned by google, amazon, etc. It's not high on my personal list of things I'd like to see in CF9 (which isn't very long), but I could see where other folks might be interested in having it. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298280 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
I can understand when an application built on a middle-tier language becomes outdated and needing upgrades, but what happens when the cfgoogle tag no longer works because of a versioning change by google? I think that the bad press that would be caused, and the issues raised with the developers who support ColdFusion by their clients would be too great. I had the same thought. I suspect they would do something akin to cfform where some of the underlying functionality can be modified. With cfform for example you can copy the javascript library to your own directory and modify it for use in your apps. Off the top of my head I'm not sure how that would work specifically -- XSLT springs to mind, but at least at first thought it doesnt seem like a perfect fit to me. Anyway -- the basic concept would be that if the people who own the webservice change the service in some important and non-backward compatible way, then you would be able to update your app to use a new underlying engine and probably someone would maintain a download area for the latest updates to the default code. It doesn't seem like a very graceful notion to me either -- doable, but I also don't see much advantage either. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298287 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
I figured it would mean Adobe would need to release a fix rather quickly. On Feb 5, 2008 6:50 PM, s. isaac dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand when an application built on a middle-tier language becomes outdated and needing upgrades, but what happens when the cfgoogle tag no longer works because of a versioning change by google? I think that the bad press that would be caused, and the issues raised with the developers who support ColdFusion by their clients would be too great. I had the same thought. I suspect they would do something akin to cfform where some of the underlying functionality can be modified. With cfform for example you can copy the javascript library to your own directory and modify it for use in your apps. Off the top of my head I'm not sure how that would work specifically -- XSLT springs to mind, but at least at first thought it doesnt seem like a perfect fit to me. Anyway -- the basic concept would be that if the people who own the webservice change the service in some important and non-backward compatible way, then you would be able to update your app to use a new underlying engine and probably someone would maintain a download area for the latest updates to the default code. It doesn't seem like a very graceful notion to me either -- doable, but I also don't see much advantage either. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298290 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
On 2/5/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contractor: I have some phone messages that I left with your secretary, I have been trying to get in touch with you. Google has now released their newest version and the version that your system was built is no longer supported. The flaw with this being that google doesn't seem to drop support for old API versions that aren't beta I've noticed the adwords API URLs included version numbers. -- Rick Root New Brian Vander Ark Album, songs in the music player and cool behind the scenes video at www.myspace.com/brianvanderark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298293 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
Even if Google did change things, it means a custom solution would break and need to be revised just like a store bought solution would. So if CF9 had it built into the language and for some reason Google changed their way of doing things then I would surely hope Adobe would come out with a fix. On Feb 5, 2008 9:47 PM, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/5/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contractor: I have some phone messages that I left with your secretary, I have been trying to get in touch with you. Google has now released their newest version and the version that your system was built is no longer supported. The flaw with this being that google doesn't seem to drop support for old API versions that aren't beta I've noticed the adwords API URLs included version numbers. -- Rick Root New Brian Vander Ark Album, songs in the music player and cool behind the scenes video at www.myspace.com/brianvanderark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298295 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
Yeah, they would have a fix alright... our next version will be out in 3 months... $695 for the upgrade that will include several bug fixes. -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys* Even if Google did change things, it means a custom solution would break and need to be revised just like a store bought solution would. So if CF9 had it built into the language and for some reason Google changed their way of doing things then I would surely hope Adobe would come out with a fix. On Feb 5, 2008 9:47 PM, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/5/08, William Seiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contractor: I have some phone messages that I left with your secretary, I have been trying to get in touch with you. Google has now released their newest version and the version that your system was built is no longer supported. The flaw with this being that google doesn't seem to drop support for old API versions that aren't beta I've noticed the adwords API URLs included version numbers. -- Rick Root New Brian Vander Ark Album, songs in the music player and cool behind the scenes video at www.myspace.com/brianvanderark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298297 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Funny questions in latest CF9 surveys*
I figured it would mean Adobe would need to release a fix rather quickly. They could take that approach, although it might be more problematic as a result of forcing them to rush to fix things themselves, whereas if they go the route of doing something like cfform, there might be a readily available solution already being distributed by someone else before they're even aware that a fix was needed. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298298 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
