Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-04 Thread Claude Schneegans
 I feel like these toolkit projects are probably more attuned to
performance and stability issues, as they are being used for some
fairly intense apps.

Make no mistake, these tool kits (at least my ODBCMyAdmin) use a lot of 
Javascript,
but what they produce is plain vanilla CFM and HTML code.

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-04 Thread Jim Wright
On 6/4/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I feel like these toolkit projects are probably more attuned to
 performance and stability issues, as they are being used for some
 fairly intense apps.

 Make no mistake, these tool kits (at least my ODBCMyAdmin) use a lot of
 Javascript,
 but what they produce is plain vanilla CFM and HTML code.


Understood...but the toolkits I was referring to in that message were
the AJAX/DHTML javascript libraries like dojo and rico, not database
toolkits like you are developing.

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-03 Thread Claude Schneegans
 There is also a cfmyadmin.

Exact, although CFMyadmin is just PHPMyadmin rewriten in CF, and like 
PHPMyadmin,
it only handles MySQL databases.

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-03 Thread Claude Schneegans
 That's an unfortunate restriction.

When I started this project, Mozilla was still on the drawing board, and 
Netscape
was definitely not able to do the job.
Now it would just be a question of verifying all scripts for 
compatibility with Mozilla.
I t is almost done actually.

 Mice are overrated.  =)  I use keyboard shortcuts all the time.

You can use shortcuts when they helps, but most of the time with 
ODBCMyAdmin,
you just drag'ndrop tables to create joins, you select fields in a 
table, etc.
Shortcuts won't help.
The great advantage is that you never have to type a table or column name,
which you couldn't do with shortcuts either, and you never have a query 
that fails
because of a spelling mistake.

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RE: Generic database management tool

2006-06-03 Thread Eric Roberts
Isn't that what he was asking?  Or did I miss something...I am prone to
brain farts these days hehe 

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 There is also a cfmyadmin.

Exact, although CFMyadmin is just PHPMyadmin rewriten in CF, and like
PHPMyadmin, it only handles MySQL databases.

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-03 Thread Claude Schneegans
 Isn't that what he was asking?

Actually, he didn't specify MySQL.

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-03 Thread Denny Valliant
On 6/2/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 - advanced query buider à la Access, with all types of JOINS, GROUP,
 WHERE, HAVING etc. clauses;
 even UNIONs are supported (not in Access)


Is this a web-based tool?  I assumed so at first, but don't know how you'd
tie that in with cfstudio.  Of course, I never tried to extend studio,
didn't
know you could.  I sorta lost interest when it became homesite, not sure
why exactly.  Sentimentality, I guess. Didn't cf deserve it's own editor?
;-)

Eh.

At any rate, I'd seen a nice, rich web-based query builder some time back,
that never got released, I don't think, as I can't find it now.  My clunky
one
sucks, so I've kept my eye out, sorta.

If'n yers is web-enabled, Got any screen shots?  Not that I know French...
:D


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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-03 Thread Claude Schneegans
 Is this a web-based tool?

Sure: 100%
You just install it on your server, preferabilly on your development server.
For CF5, you just have a CFX to install, for CFMX you don't need.
Presently I have tested it for
- Access,
- MySQL
- Oracle,
- MS SQLServer,
- Sybase

For Access, there is also a Compact database utility.

  I assumed so at first, but don't know how you'd
tie that in with cfstudio. 

You don't actually need CFStudio to run it, just call its home page, but 
it it easy
to tie any web site as a Custom Button in CFStudio. It is just that 
I'always used CFStudio,
and I'm still waiting to see any better product (call it Homesite if you 
like).
I've tried CFEclipse, but CFStudio eclipses it ;-)

 Of course, I never tried to extend studio,
didn't know you could.

See Options - Customized - Add Custom Button,...

   I sorta lost interest when it became homesite, not sure why exactly. 

Actually, when it was first released by Ipswitch Inc. it was Homesite.
Then Allaire bought the product. add the CF stuff in it, and called it 
CF Studio.
Then Macromedia bought Allaire, may be they found that the name 
CFStudio was too much tied to
CF, and it would outshine their own editor Dreamweaver, so they 
rebaptised it Homesite,
but it is essentially the same product.

 Didn't cf deserve it's own editor?

It sure does, and for me it has always been CFStudio! ;-)

 If'n yers is web-enabled, Got any screen shots?  Not that I know 
French...

I'll try to prepare some dynamic demo, note that the system is in 
English, it is just that
if I write the docs and the online help in English myself, it will be 
kind of ... well, couci couça... ;-)

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-03 Thread Denny Valliant
On 6/3/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is this a web-based tool?

 Sure: 100%


Does it run on linux based CF instances?


 I've tried CFEclipse, but CFStudio eclipses it ;-)


Heh. That's totally alright, what's good for the goose
don't mean it's good for the gander.  Although another
nifty feature, is that CFE supports various version of CF,
as well as BlueDragon.  Theoretically you could have
one project in CF 5 and another in 7 and have the editor
know what is available in each project.

Good eat'n, I tell ya what.

Actually, when it was first released by Ipswitch Inc. it was Homesite.
 Then Allaire bought the product. add the CF stuff in it, and called it
 CF Studio.


Interesting backstory.  I appreciate the name better now.  And more
becomes clear about IDEs and CF.

I'll try to prepare some dynamic demo, note that the system is in
 English, it is just that
 if I write the docs and the online help in English myself, it will be
 kind of ... well, couci couça... ;-)


What does couci couça mean again?  It tickles some memory...
your English seems fine to me...

:D


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RE: Generic database management tool

2006-06-03 Thread Snake
If your looking for a totally web based SQL Server database manager, try
www.mylittletools.com

 

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Sent: 04 June 2006 00:34
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Generic database management tool

On 6/3/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is this a web-based tool?

 Sure: 100%


Does it run on linux based CF instances?
.

 I've tried CFEclipse, but CFStudio eclipses it ;-)


Heh. That's totally alright, what's good for the goose don't mean it's good
for the gander.  Although another nifty feature, is that CFE supports
various version of CF, as well as BlueDragon.  Theoretically you could have
one project in CF 5 and another in 7 and have the editor know what is
available in each project.

Good eat'n, I tell ya what.

Actually, when it was first released by Ipswitch Inc. it was Homesite.
 Then Allaire bought the product. add the CF stuff in it, and called it 
 CF Studio.


Interesting backstory.  I appreciate the name better now.  And more becomes
clear about IDEs and CF.

I'll try to prepare some dynamic demo, note that the system is in
 English, it is just that
 if I write the docs and the online help in English myself, it will be 
 kind of ... well, couci couça... ;-)


What does couci couça mean again?  It tickles some memory...
your English seems fine to me...

:D




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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-03 Thread Claude Schneegans
 Does it run on linux based CF instances?

With CFMX, I suppose, although I never tested.
It only uses a CFC in Java.
With CF 5 it needs a CFX (ODBCInfo) which won't run under Linux.

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-03 Thread Jim Wright
 If it's not out there, I'll make one somehow, I guess.  dhtmlgoodies looks
 like it's got stuff to fit the bill, UI wise.

If you haven't already, I'd take a look at dojo...
http://dojotoolkit.org/
If I was going to do some intense AJAX/DHTML work, I'd look at using
one of these toolkits (like dojo, or the one you previously
mentioned...rico) rather than random scripts from something like
dhtmlgoodies.  I'm already a little dubious about using intense
amounts of javascript processing in my pages (and the memory usage and
crashes that I've seen with various AJAX calendars running at the same
time as gmail seem to validate that).
I feel like these toolkit projects are probably more attuned to
performance and stability issues, as they are being used for some
fairly intense apps...whereas a cobbled together group of scripts
might have unintended consequences.

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Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Jim Wright
Is anyone out there using any kind of generic database management
scripts...something that could be plugged in to a homegrown CMS to
provide easy management of those other tables that must be dealt
with?  Basically something where you can define a schema, and it will
produce the pages/forms to browse, edit, add, delete, etc.  I've got
one that I've been using for years which is kludgy and limited, but
gets the job done...I was thinking about writing a new one, but I
wanted to see what is out there first.

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RE: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Munson, Jacob
A lot of people rave about Doug Hughe's Reactor.  I've never used it
(although I mean to some day), but I think it does what I believe you
are looking for.

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 Is anyone out there using any kind of generic database management
 scripts...something that could be plugged in to a homegrown CMS to
 provide easy management of those other tables that must be dealt
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 produce the pages/forms to browse, edit, add, delete, etc.  I've got
 one that I've been using for years which is kludgy and limited, but
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 wanted to see what is out there first.

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Friday 02 June 2006 17:05, Munson, Jacob wrote:
 A lot of people rave about Doug Hughe's Reactor.  I've never used it
 (although I mean to some day), but I think it does what I believe you
 are looking for.

Reactor is a data layer you can build things on top of.
I think Jim is after something that will auto-build a view layer as well.

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Ken Ferguson
Sounds like Jim's after something kinda plum(ish) to me, unless I'm 
reading it wrong.
www.productivityenhancement.com

--Ferg


Tom Chiverton wrote:
 On Friday 02 June 2006 17:05, Munson, Jacob wrote:
   
 A lot of people rave about Doug Hughe's Reactor.  I've never used it
 (although I mean to some day), but I think it does what I believe you
 are looking for.
 

 Reactor is a data layer you can build things on top of.
 I think Jim is after something that will auto-build a view layer as well.

   


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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Jim Wright
 Reactor is a data layer you can build things on top of.
 I think Jim is after something that will auto-build a view layer as well.

Exactly...if I decide to build a new one, I may look at using Reactor
as the data layer.

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Jim Wright
On 6/2/06, Ken Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sounds like Jim's after something kinda plum(ish) to me, unless I'm
 reading it wrong.
 www.productivityenhancement.com

 --Ferg

Plum looks interesting, but it is more complicated than what I'm
currently looking for.  What I want is something that does for
database editing what CFFM does for file management.

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Josh Nathanson
Not sure if this is quite what you're looking for, but I use Navicat for my 
MySQL db management -- it's super dynamite!

http://www.navicat.com

$99 for Windows standard, it's a bargain.  Does data transfer, automated 
backups, import/export, much more.

-- Josh




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Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: Generic database management tool


 On 6/2/06, Ken Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sounds like Jim's after something kinda plum(ish) to me, unless I'm
 reading it wrong.
 www.productivityenhancement.com

 --Ferg

 Plum looks interesting, but it is more complicated than what I'm
 currently looking for.  What I want is something that does for
 database editing what CFFM does for file management.

 -- 
 Jim Wright
 Wright Business Solutions
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 919-417-2257

 

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Doug Hughes
If I'm not mistaken, joe's model-glue 2.0 unity framework will be entering
beta soon.  That has scaffolding of create/edit/delete/list interfaces for
objects in the database (and uses reactor for the data layer by default).
That might worth researchign more, though I don;t think it's publicly
avaliable yet.

Doug

On 6/2/06, Josh Nathanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not sure if this is quite what you're looking for, but I use Navicat for
 my
 MySQL db management -- it's super dynamite!

 http://www.navicat.com

 $99 for Windows standard, it's a bargain.  Does data transfer, automated
 backups, import/export, much more.

 -- Josh




 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:41 AM
 Subject: Re: Generic database management tool


  On 6/2/06, Ken Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sounds like Jim's after something kinda plum(ish) to me, unless I'm
  reading it wrong.
  www.productivityenhancement.com
 
  --Ferg
 
  Plum looks interesting, but it is more complicated than what I'm
  currently looking for.  What I want is something that does for
  database editing what CFFM does for file management.
 
  --
  Jim Wright
  Wright Business Solutions
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  919-417-2257
 
 

 

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Nick de Voil
 Is anyone out there using any kind of generic database management
 scripts...something that could be plugged in to a homegrown CMS to
 provide easy management of those other tables that must be dealt
 with?  Basically something where you can define a schema, and it
will
 produce the pages/forms to browse, edit, add, delete, etc.  I've got
 one that I've been using for years which is kludgy and limited, but
 gets the job done...I was thinking about writing a new one, but I
 wanted to see what is out there first.

When you say, define a schema do you mean you want the tool to build
the database for you as well? Or do you want a tool that you can point
at an existing database that will examine its schema and give you a
forms interface to it?

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Adam Churvis
 Or do you want a tool that you can point
 at an existing database that will examine its schema and give you a
 forms interface to it?

This is what Plum does.
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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Jim Wright
 When you say, define a schema do you mean you want the tool to build
 the database for you as well? Or do you want a tool that you can point
 at an existing database that will examine its schema and give you a
 forms interface to it?


Neither...assume the database is created, and I want a quick way to
put up a form to edit a particular table.  Right now, I have some
scripts where I can define in a configuration file

-the table I want to edit
-a list of fields that should be shown in the list view
-the fields that should be edited in the form view, and what type of
field each is (which determines what type of form control to use, and
simple validation)
-labels that should be used for the fields above

So then it provides and easy and quick interface to manage a table.
This is usually used in the admin section of my homegrown CMS to
manage tables which don't need much in the way of a pretty interface,
but just need a quick and dirty way to edit data.  I was planning on
modifying this to include things like:
-more complicated validation
-sorting and filtering of the list view
-paging through n records in the list view

But I wanted to find out if anyone knew of anything similar out there,
as I don't want to reinvent the wheel.

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Denny Valliant
On 6/2/06, Jim Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 -the table I want to edit
 -a list of fields that should be shown in the list view
 -the fields that should be edited in the form view, and what type of
 field each is (which determines what type of form control to use, and
 simple validation)
 -labels that should be used for the fields above


Heh. I just whipped up something like this using the livegrid
demo from openrico.  I'm really loving that livegrid.

The live search is really handy, and colum sorting etc..

Plus it does a nice fade from the list to the record. Heh. Gotta
love those transitions. And it saves via ajax!  O ;-)

Still pretty ugly/customized, but I'm gonna post the code sometime...
probably...
*cough*

-more complicated validation
 -sorting and filtering of the list view
 -paging through n records in the list view


This is where the livegrid shines (not he validation, the other two).
Really that's all I was trying out, the rest is pretty weak, but if you'd
like to combine them (assuming you wrote the thing you're using),
I can replace your list code with a livegrid, which is pretty slick.

The livegrid is still in beta, and does leak memory, but I've found it
takes a really long time to crash a browser, and it's handy enough
I don't mind it one bit.  Haven't checked openrico or the new 2.0
version, so maybe the memory issue has been addressed since
I started playing with it.

At any rate, woot! for more interactive stuff.
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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Claude Schneegans
 Is anyone out there using any kind of generic database management 
scripts.

I have something like that presently on the back burner.
It is called ODBCMyAdmin, although the name might change since is also 
handles JDBC databases now.
The basic idea is PHPMyAdmin, although more powerful, written in CF and 
can handle any ODBC or JDBC
datasource.
The main features are:
- All writen in CF and Javascript, compatible with IE.
- 100% compatible CF 5 and CFMX, ODBC and JDBC;
- all tables and column names drown from the datasource itself: no name 
to type;
- can produce CFQUERY code for SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE DELETE on any table;
- can generate CFQURYPARAM automatically, based on column types on request;
- can produce a FORM using any fields on any table; some fields may be 
SELECT
with options generated from any other table; all field length and 
maxlength suggested by default from
info from the table specs in the datasource.
- advanced query buider à la Access, with all types of JOINS, GROUP, 
WHERE, HAVING etc. clauses;
even UNIONs are supported (not in Access)
- Browse all tables, columns, queries;
- direct acces to the tool from CF Studio;
ALL above without using any key on your keyboard, only the mouse.
- add, edit, delete columns in any table;
- add, edit, delete indexes in any table;
- add, edit, delete tables in any datasource;
- and of course much more ! ;-)

I use it a lot for myself; my only problem before I can release it are
1º time to finish testing and document it;
2º some native speaking fellow, fluent in French, who would help me with 
the docs and online help.

May be some work for long nights, next winter...

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RE: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Eric Roberts
There is also a cfmyadmin.  I don/t remember the addy, but if you google
cfmyadmin, you will find it.  It's basically the cf version of phpmyadmin

Eric 

-Original Message-
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 02 June 2006 20:54
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Generic database management tool

 Is anyone out there using any kind of generic database management
scripts.

I have something like that presently on the back burner.
It is called ODBCMyAdmin, although the name might change since is also
handles JDBC databases now.
The basic idea is PHPMyAdmin, although more powerful, written in CF and can
handle any ODBC or JDBC datasource.
The main features are:
- All writen in CF and Javascript, compatible with IE.
- 100% compatible CF 5 and CFMX, ODBC and JDBC;
- all tables and column names drown from the datasource itself: no name to
type;
- can produce CFQUERY code for SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE DELETE on any table;
- can generate CFQURYPARAM automatically, based on column types on request;
- can produce a FORM using any fields on any table; some fields may be
SELECT
with options generated from any other table; all field length and
maxlength suggested by default from
info from the table specs in the datasource.
- advanced query buider à la Access, with all types of JOINS, GROUP,
WHERE, HAVING etc. clauses;
even UNIONs are supported (not in Access)
- Browse all tables, columns, queries;
- direct acces to the tool from CF Studio; ALL above without using any key
on your keyboard, only the mouse.
- add, edit, delete columns in any table;
- add, edit, delete indexes in any table;
- add, edit, delete tables in any datasource;
- and of course much more ! ;-)

I use it a lot for myself; my only problem before I can release it are 1º
time to finish testing and document it; 2º some native speaking fellow,
fluent in French, who would help me with the docs and online help.

May be some work for long nights, next winter...

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Re: Generic database management tool

2006-06-02 Thread Rick Root
Claude Schneegans wrote:
 
 - All writen in CF and Javascript, compatible with IE.

That's an unfortunate restriction.

 - direct acces to the tool from CF Studio;

CF What? ;)

 ALL above without using any key on your keyboard, only the mouse.

Mice are overrated.  =)  I use keyboard shortcuts all the time.  I'll 
probably use one to send this message rather than click Send.

 - add, edit, delete columns in any table;
 - add, edit, delete indexes in any table;
 - add, edit, delete tables in any datasource;

That's where the generic part gets hard because of the differences in 
column types from database to database.  It's hard to be generic and 
yet more powerful.

 May be some work for long nights, next winter...

All things considered, I'd still like to see it when and if you do get 
around to releasing it.

Rick


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