Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification
Actually, I think the muddy water is about what is an application... Massimo Brian Hogue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message What is the difference between two CF applications on my PC against two applications on a Hosted PC? Please note that I did not say both applications are mine ... they could be. This seems very muddy water. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification
What I am curious about is after this scare is over, just how many developers have decided to move on to another language. Seems like a lot of people out there are deciding it is time to pick up another language for fear of CF being too much money or not around in the future. So even if MM decides at the last minute not to go up in pricing, how many people did they end up loosing from all of this, but do they really care, I doubt it. - Original Message - From: Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification Actually, I think the muddy water is about what is an application... Massimo Brian Hogue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message What is the difference between two CF applications on my PC against two applications on a Hosted PC? Please note that I did not say both applications are mine ... they could be. This seems very muddy water. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification
What I am curious about is after this scare is over, just how many developers have decided to move on to another language. Sounds like more work for those of us left behind. :) Ken ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification
True, but also sounds like less CF work for people like me. The people that I do small sites for, already do not want to pay a premium for CF and if/when the pricing goes up they will not pay for it period. Just means I get to code their sites in something else, personally I would prefer not to, but I also want to bring in a pay check. I doubt my day job is going to get rid of CF, however if they have to pay a great deal more for the licensing I could easily see them just staying with the current version of CF that they are running on all of their servers and then slowly getting sites redone in ASP since we already do ASP there. - Original Message - From: Ken Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification What I am curious about is after this scare is over, just how many developers have decided to move on to another language. Sounds like more work for those of us left behind. :) Ken ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification
- Original Message - From: Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification True, but also sounds like less CF work for people like me. The people that I do small sites for, already do not want to pay a premium for CF and if/when the pricing goes up they will not pay for it period. Just means I get to code their sites in something else, personally I would prefer not to, but I also want to bring in a pay check. I doubt my day job is going to get rid of CF, however if they have to pay a great deal more for the licensing I could easily see them just staying with the current version of CF that they are running on all of their servers and then slowly getting sites redone in ASP since we already do ASP there. Thats the big problem now, I have been happy to use CF for the past three years in building small sites as I believed it had a real future ahead of it. It seems that MM are abandoning the small developer in favour of chasing the enterprise market - my customers are never going to be able to justify that sort of expense on a server. So the next contract I get I will have to think about using ASP, or more likely PHP, simply because they seem to have a future in the markets I deal in. Maybe we should organise a symbolic demonstration to show MM our feelings on this matter - perhaps if nobody posts to the list for a day they may wake up and realise what they are doing. - Original Message - From: Ken Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification What I am curious about is after this scare is over, just how many developers have decided to move on to another language. Sounds like more work for those of us left behind. :) Ken ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification
That might do something, but I really think MM does not care. - Original Message - From: Wayne Putterill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification - Original Message - From: Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification True, but also sounds like less CF work for people like me. The people that I do small sites for, already do not want to pay a premium for CF and if/when the pricing goes up they will not pay for it period. Just means I get to code their sites in something else, personally I would prefer not to, but I also want to bring in a pay check. I doubt my day job is going to get rid of CF, however if they have to pay a great deal more for the licensing I could easily see them just staying with the current version of CF that they are running on all of their servers and then slowly getting sites redone in ASP since we already do ASP there. Thats the big problem now, I have been happy to use CF for the past three years in building small sites as I believed it had a real future ahead of it. It seems that MM are abandoning the small developer in favour of chasing the enterprise market - my customers are never going to be able to justify that sort of expense on a server. So the next contract I get I will have to think about using ASP, or more likely PHP, simply because they seem to have a future in the markets I deal in. Maybe we should organise a symbolic demonstration to show MM our feelings on this matter - perhaps if nobody posts to the list for a day they may wake up and realise what they are doing. - Original Message - From: Ken Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification What I am curious about is after this scare is over, just how many developers have decided to move on to another language. Sounds like more work for those of us left behind. :) Ken ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification
Yesterday we sent an email to Macromedia ColdFusion hosting partners regarding the new Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 that was cross-posted to this list. The information in the email was unclear, which caused some confusion about ColdFusion Server 5 pricing and licensing policies in general. On behalf of the team, first I want to apologize for any confusion caused by the email. ColdFusion Server 5 is a very exciting release. The focus has been on building features that developers have been requesting for years. You'll find support for user defined functions, incremental page output, charting, a new administrator, and major performance increases among other cool features. At the same time that we've been building enhancements, we've been very focused on quality, and so far, the feedback in the beta program has been very positive. With the exception of the Hosting Service Provider Edition, we're not changing the basic licensing policies or pricing. As a merged company, we're focused on the needs of ColdFusion developers more than ever. Macromedia is deeply committed to the ColdFusion community and the vision behind ColdFusion Server, and we're making a significant investment in the product. We understand that having high quality hosting options is important to developers, and one of our focuses for this release is to expand the number of service providers participating in our hosting partner program. When we announce formally on Monday, there will be a lot more information available about the new release on our Web site. To help clarify the Hosting Service Provider Edition policies, we've posted an FAQ about the new edition at: http://www.allaire.com/products/coldfusion/cf5hostingfaq.html If you have more questions or concerns about this new edition, please feel free to drop me a note. I'm looking forward to your feedback on ColdFusion Server 5! Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification
Hey Michael, Can you please create a new list named: [EMAIL PROTECTED] until Monday, when MM clarifies? J.K - Chris !--- Christopher Cortes |Coming Q3 2001: Consultant | Stonebridge Technologies, Inc. | Optimizing ColdFusion Putting Technology To Work | By Visit us at www.sbti.com | Christopher Cortes Ofc: 713.985.6244 cel: 281.235.6100 | www.osborne.com ---! ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification
Ok, what this means for my company and for Macromedia is... According to the FAQ, we can purchase Pro or Enterprise to host our own applications and be within the license. So our companies bottom line is not really affected as far as development goes. However, I do not see us continuing to offer CF as a standard feature of our hosting packages. At least for version 5. I predict there will be quite a few hosts that provide CF 4.5 as part of a hosting package for a long time, and if they offer CF5 shared hosting at all it will be at a premium. We will upgrade to CF5, but not for all of our servers, and probably never will upgrade a couple past 4.5. The costs are astronomical to offer CF as a standard feature anymore. Who got hurt? The little guy looking for CF5 shared hosting. The development companies are safe. Perhaps the bigger hosters are safe too, with volume discounts and all. I got started in CF because my web host offered it as a standard feature, so I played around with it, and a couple of years later here I am a CF developer. It seems sad to me that a lot of new guys wont get the chance I did. As a web host puts up new servers, CF will be slowly phased out. Either we buy a license for 4.5 or pay through the nose for CF5. Why bother? Maybe 1 out of every 20 of our current sites use CF. Most people cant even figure out FrontPage ;-) Macromedia in one fell swoop, just cut a whole lot of little guys out. Perhaps what Macromedia is really trying to do is sell more copies of pro and enterprise. It is now more cost effective to rent a server or colocate and put CF on it yourself. Still cutting out the new guys though :-( jon - Original Message - From: Jeff Whatcott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: Hosting Service Provider Edition Clarification Yesterday we sent an email to Macromedia ColdFusion hosting partners regarding the new Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 that was cross-posted to this list. The information in the email was unclear, which caused some confusion about ColdFusion Server 5 pricing and licensing policies in general. On behalf of the team, first I want to apologize for any confusion caused by the email. ColdFusion Server 5 is a very exciting release. The focus has been on building features that developers have been requesting for years. You'll find support for user defined functions, incremental page output, charting, a new administrator, and major performance increases among other cool features. At the same time that we've been building enhancements, we've been very focused on quality, and so far, the feedback in the beta program has been very positive. With the exception of the Hosting Service Provider Edition, we're not changing the basic licensing policies or pricing. As a merged company, we're focused on the needs of ColdFusion developers more than ever. Macromedia is deeply committed to the ColdFusion community and the vision behind ColdFusion Server, and we're making a significant investment in the product. We understand that having high quality hosting options is important to developers, and one of our focuses for this release is to expand the number of service providers participating in our hosting partner program. When we announce formally on Monday, there will be a lot more information available about the new release on our Web site. To help clarify the Hosting Service Provider Edition policies, we've posted an FAQ about the new edition at: http://www.allaire.com/products/coldfusion/cf5hostingfaq.html If you have more questions or concerns about this new edition, please feel free to drop me a note. I'm looking forward to your feedback on ColdFusion Server 5! Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
