RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
This is excellent news indeed! Can you imagine Microsoft making even the smallest change in strategy based on the developer community's comments? Reckon we all ought to start talking about Studio now to see if they can turn that into a reliable product that works as advertised? Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP WebWorks -Original Message- Kevin Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:v04220800b712724d63f0 We're definitely listening -- there were excellent points made by this group. We are of course very interested in supporting and growing the ColdFusion community and are very driven by customer feedback, as we are across our product line. I also would like to increase the communication between the ColdFusion team at Macromedia and the community here to avoid misunderstandings -- we'll be working to improve that. In the meantime, let's get back to building great stuff! thanks Kevin ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Hi, I've been sitting in on this list for a few months now, and the hoo-hah about CF5 licensing issues has been the first thread to really draw me in. I began learning ColdFusion just over a year ago when I was employed as a journalist on a website where we were twiddling our thumbs pre-launch and our CF guy was slaving under untold pressure. I learnt enough in a week to be of use to him. Impressed by this (I *never* envisioned myself becoming involved in server-side technologies), I decided to delve further into CF. I now feel confident building relatively secure, fully functional backend site adminstration systems in CF, integrated with frontend output. Most of my 'bread and butter' now comes from corporate clients wanting CF sites built or tweaked; but more importantly to me, I'm able to offer the power of this technology to a number of smaller companies and charities at rates that make CF hosting costs feasible. The shallow learning curve of CF makes the extra cost of hosting a viable option for these smaller organisations - just. Reading the recent thread about CF5 horrified me. Suddenly all the investment I'd made in learning more advanced CF seemed like a waste, and several projects that are very important to me (as well as a lot of business) seemed about to fly out the window. It was encouraging, then, as someone enthusiastically entering into the CF developer community at the very time the Allaire/Macromedia merger is occurring, to see a (relatively) prompt, positive response from MM regarding the reactions on developers mailing lists. Of course I think it would be great if CF was free. I wouldn't have to rely on limited developer hosting accounts for development purposes, and money would be saved all-round. But yeah, I can't see MM going for this. It might pay off if they went for it, but it'd be a risk. On the other hand, it's good they realised they were shooting themselves in the foot by pricing the small- to-middle customers out in favour of ASP or PHP. I really think that CF's shallow learning curve makes this market as important as enterprise customers. Being UK-based is a major factor for me. As bandwidth as so much more expensive outside the US, the extra cost of a non-free server-side technology is much more of an issue. Any drastic hiking of the price will filter down through from ISP's to developers, and back to CF, harming its chances of becoming a reasonable alternative to ASP or PHP. There's a middle way between a free CF Server and one that only big clients can afford. I hope MM are finding it now and follow it through. I feel committed to CF now, and this licensing scare was the first thing to make me question this. I'm hanging in now, as MM's positive response bodes well for the MM-CF developer relationship. I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm one CF newbie who is anxious to see CF flourish for all, not just those with money to burn. cheers, - Gyrus [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://www.tengai.co.uk/steve/ play: http://www.norlonto.net ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
I didn't suggest that they should give one away for free. best, paul At 11:38 PM 4/29/01 -0500, you wrote: Paul, Unfortunate Macromedia doesn't have a million other products to sell where they can turn a profit by giving one big one away for free. They are not really big enough to start playing that kind of game. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
I just wanted to add my Heartfelt thank you regarding MM listening to this group. When the first notice arrived, I was quite upset, as were a large number of people. I truly believe this change was for the best. I am sure CF6 will have more features and perhaps more to come in this area! 8^} Steve At 07:05 PM 4/29/2001 -0700, Kevin Lynch wrote: Hi- We're definitely listening -- there were excellent points made by this group. We are of course very interested in supporting and growing the ColdFusion community and are very driven by customer feedback, as we are across our product line. I also would like to increase the communication between the ColdFusion team at Macromedia and the community here to avoid misunderstandings -- we'll be working to improve that. In the meantime, let's get back to building great stuff! thanks Kevin ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Can we see this Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated Message? or did I miss a previous post about this? Nathan Stanford Senior Programmer/Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: gyrus [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated Hi, I've been sitting in on this list for a few months now, and the hoo-hah about CF5 licensing issues has been the first thread to really draw me in. I began learning ColdFusion just over a year ago when I was employed as a journalist on a website where we were twiddling our thumbs pre-launch and our CF guy was slaving under untold pressure. I learnt enough in a week to be of use to him. Impressed by this (I *never* envisioned myself becoming involved in server-side technologies), I decided to delve further into CF. I now feel confident building relatively secure, fully functional backend site adminstration systems in CF, integrated with frontend output. Most of my 'bread and butter' now comes from corporate clients wanting CF sites built or tweaked; but more importantly to me, I'm able to offer the power of this technology to a number of smaller companies and charities at rates that make CF hosting costs feasible. The shallow learning curve of CF makes the extra cost of hosting a viable option for these smaller organisations - just. Reading the recent thread about CF5 horrified me. Suddenly all the investment I'd made in learning more advanced CF seemed like a waste, and several projects that are very important to me (as well as a lot of business) seemed about to fly out the window. It was encouraging, then, as someone enthusiastically entering into the CF developer community at the very time the Allaire/Macromedia merger is occurring, to see a (relatively) prompt, positive response from MM regarding the reactions on developers mailing lists. Of course I think it would be great if CF was free. I wouldn't have to rely on limited developer hosting accounts for development purposes, and money would be saved all-round. But yeah, I can't see MM going for this. It might pay off if they went for it, but it'd be a risk. On the other hand, it's good they realised they were shooting themselves in the foot by pricing the small- to-middle customers out in favour of ASP or PHP. I really think that CF's shallow learning curve makes this market as important as enterprise customers. Being UK-based is a major factor for me. As bandwidth as so much more expensive outside the US, the extra cost of a non-free server-side technology is much more of an issue. Any drastic hiking of the price will filter down through from ISP's to developers, and back to CF, harming its chances of becoming a reasonable alternative to ASP or PHP. There's a middle way between a free CF Server and one that only big clients can afford. I hope MM are finding it now and follow it through. I feel committed to CF now, and this licensing scare was the first thing to make me question this. I'm hanging in now, as MM's positive response bodes well for the MM-CF developer relationship. I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm one CF newbie who is anxious to see CF flourish for all, not just those with money to burn. cheers, - Gyrus [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: http://www.tengai.co.uk/steve/ play: http://www.norlonto.net ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
FWD: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
I am reposting this for Nathan. -- Original Message -- From: Jeff Whatcott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:56:23 -0400 Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1. We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2. We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3. We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1. We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2. We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3. We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Oh wow. The developers actually influenced a change in corporate policy. Wow! :) Do you folks think this will make the news? :) *happy smile* I'm still going to brush up on my ASP though ^_^ -Gel www.carigamer.com CF Powered Island Gaming At Its Best!(tm) -Original Message- From: Jeff Whatcott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 3. We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
We're putting 2 issues of Fusion Authority out tonight to catch up. One issue was almost dedicated to the CF 5 issues. Now we have to do a rewrite on a lot of stuff. Still, it's really great that A/MM listened to the concerns of the community. If anything proves that they are looking out for the future of ColdFusion and ColdFusion developers, this has to be it. Looks like my plans to talk to MS about adding a CF parser to ASP can wait now. :) Oh wow. The developers actually influenced a change in corporate policy. Wow! :) Do you folks think this will make the news? :) *happy smile* I'm still going to brush up on my ASP though ^_^ -Gel www.carigamer.com CF Powered Island Gaming At Its Best!(tm) -Original Message- From: Jeff Whatcott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 3. We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Oh man, This is great news. Thanks Jeff! And so good to know that this list probably had an impact on this decision!! As for those few that said they didn't want to get involved in the discussions about the licensing changes, price increases and the future of CF I hope they now appreciate the importance of discussing these things on the list, because if we HAD listed to your advice and kept quiet... Then this turn around WOULDN'T have happened!!! Now put away those PHP/ASP books... We've got some coding to get on with Thanks MM! N on 4/30/01 8:56 AM, Jeff Whatcott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1.We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2.We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3.We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
I'm still going to brush up on my ASP though Not a bad move careerwise in general, but I would think this is a better time to concentrate on appreciating the policy change and the fact that Macromedia responded affirmatively (and rapidly) to the feedback offered. Just my opinion of course. Ken ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Nick, Yes, the discussions on this list were definitely a big part of this decision, and yes, folks should voice their opinions. Macromedia (I really have to get used to saying that) is very committed to ColdFusion - I have been saying that for a while now, and I hope this proves it. --- Ben PS For the record, in the future, I think we can do without the foul language that several list participants felt compelled to spew. Those messages were not forwarded to the decision markers anyway, so they did not effect the decision, and accomplished nothing at all. Civility and reason seems to prevail, not potty mouth emotions. -Original Message- From: Nick Texidor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 7:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated Oh man, This is great news. Thanks Jeff! And so good to know that this list probably had an impact on this decision!! As for those few that said they didn't want to get involved in the discussions about the licensing changes, price increases and the future of CF I hope they now appreciate the importance of discussing these things on the list, because if we HAD listed to your advice and kept quiet... Then this turn around WOULDN'T have happened!!! Now put away those PHP/ASP books... We've got some coding to get on with Thanks MM! N on 4/30/01 8:56 AM, Jeff Whatcott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1.We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2.We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3.We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
*nod* *nod* yes yes yes..you know what I meant :) -Gel -Original Message- From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Not a bad move careerwise in general, but I would think this is a better time to concentrate on appreciating the policy change and the fact that Macromedia responded affirmatively (and rapidly) to the feedback offered. Ken ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Jeff, Many, many thanks on listening to the community's feedback!!! (even though, I kept out of the discussion, I followed along on every post from three different lists!) It shows a lot of us that you really are listening and taking our opinions highly. I am astounded and pleased with your rapid response to the issues at hand. It's been a long time since small companies and individuals have had any impact on what the Big Boys do. And, speaking for myself, I feel a lot better in moving forward with continuing to offer ColdFusion as our technology of choice. Especially with one particular international client we just talked into buying CF Enterprise, a month ago. ** sweating bullets is an understatement of how I felt this weekend ** Again! Many thanks Macromedia!!! Erika L. Walker - Instant Messenger Access AIM: WebErika5 | Yahoo: WebErika | MSN: WebErika - Erika L. Walker, VP, RUWebby, LLC http://www.ruwebby.com 973-626-2412 Mobile | 973-244-9120 Office 153 Rutgers Lane, Parsippany, NJ 07054 - Website Design/Programming Database Integration Macromedia Consulting Partner - ColdFusion AskMe.com Expert: WebErika - -Original Message- From: Jeff Whatcott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 6:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1. We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2. We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3. We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
This calls for a celebration! I no longer need to panic about where to find AUD$18,000.00 for a ColdFusion server we didn't want to have. Professional and Enterprise have suited us fine for years. Thanks to everyone at Macromedia for seeing the light! -Original Message- From: Jeff Whatcott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 08:56 To: CF-Talk Subject: Hosting Service Provider Edition ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Jeff, I'm very happy to see that Macromedia listens to its customers. Thank you. I haven't had the opportunity to check out CF 5 yet, so I don't know what features are planned for the Professional and Enterprise versions. As a very small web host, with maybe 30 domains, one thing that _did_ peak my curiosity was what features would be planned for a Service Provider Edition. I think someone was badly misinformed when they drew up the licensing and pricing for this product, but if indeed there is added value to someone doing shared hosting of CF server, there may well be a place for it. It's obviously too late to suggest significant changes for the CF 5 release, but I had wondered if we'd see some nice site-level management features, including some end-user domain management capabilities. Depending on the power of the management and security features bundled into this product, I could see an appropriate price somewhere between Pro and Enterprise, perhaps the cost of Pro plus 20-30%. Right now, the financial incentive for web hosts is still to use CF Pro over Enterprise for shared hosting. I hope to at least see some of the sand-box security features migrated into Pro, so that it IS a good fit for this environemant, and one that will further the stability and reputation of using CF for small sites. Jim -Original Message- From: Jeff Whatcott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 4:59 PM Subject: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1. We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2. We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3. We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Hi- We're definitely listening -- there were excellent points made by this group. We are of course very interested in supporting and growing the ColdFusion community and are very driven by customer feedback, as we are across our product line. I also would like to increase the communication between the ColdFusion team at Macromedia and the community here to avoid misunderstandings -- we'll be working to improve that. In the meantime, let's get back to building great stuff! thanks Kevin At 9:20 AM +1000 4/30/01, Nick Texidor wrote: Oh man, This is great news. Thanks Jeff! And so good to know that this list probably had an impact on this decision!! As for those few that said they didn't want to get involved in the discussions about the licensing changes, price increases and the future of CF I hope they now appreciate the importance of discussing these things on the list, because if we HAD listed to your advice and kept quiet... Then this turn around WOULDN'T have happened!!! Now put away those PHP/ASP books... We've got some coding to get on with Thanks MM! N on 4/30/01 8:56 AM, Jeff Whatcott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1.We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2.We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3.We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
A CF-Partners list is being finished as we speak so that the community can have a central location to post to MM. The list recognizes the community as partners in the success of ColdFusion and by extension Macromedia. It should help in getting public reaction to things rather than having to read 6 or more different lists. (I assume you'll be reading them anyway). Personally, I think that the change in policy is a major coup in the relationship between the community and MM. Hi- We're definitely listening -- there were excellent points made by this group. We are of course very interested in supporting and growing the ColdFusion community and are very driven by customer feedback, as we are across our product line. I also would like to increase the communication between the ColdFusion team at Macromedia and the community here to avoid misunderstandings -- we'll be working to improve that. In the meantime, let's get back to building great stuff! thanks Kevin At 9:20 AM +1000 4/30/01, Nick Texidor wrote: Oh man, This is great news. Thanks Jeff! And so good to know that this list probably had an impact on this decision!! As for those few that said they didn't want to get involved in the discussions about the licensing changes, price increases and the future of CF I hope they now appreciate the importance of discussing these things on the list, because if we HAD listed to your advice and kept quiet... Then this turn around WOULDN'T have happened!!! Now put away those PHP/ASP books... We've got some coding to get on with Thanks MM! N on 4/30/01 8:56 AM, Jeff Whatcott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1.We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2.We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3.We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Thanks again Micheal, this list has been a great resource (as always) A CF-Partners list is being finished as we speak so that the community can have a central location to post to MM. The list recognizes the community as partners in the success of ColdFusion and by extension Macromedia. It should help in getting public reaction to things rather than having to read 6 or more different lists. (I assume you'll be reading them anyway). Personally, I think that the change in policy is a major coup in the relationship between the community and MM. Hi- We're definitely listening -- there were excellent points made by this group. We are of course very interested in supporting and growing the ColdFusion community and are very driven by customer feedback, as we are across our product line. I also would like to increase the communication between the ColdFusion team at Macromedia and the community here to avoid misunderstandings -- we'll be working to improve that. In the meantime, let's get back to building great stuff! thanks Kevin At 9:20 AM +1000 4/30/01, Nick Texidor wrote: Oh man, This is great news. Thanks Jeff! And so good to know that this list probably had an impact on this decision!! As for those few that said they didn't want to get involved in the discussions about the licensing changes, price increases and the future of CF I hope they now appreciate the importance of discussing these things on the list, because if we HAD listed to your advice and kept quiet... Then this turn around WOULDN'T have happened!!! Now put away those PHP/ASP books... We've got some coding to get on with Thanks MM! N on 4/30/01 8:56 AM, Jeff Whatcott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1.We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2.We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3.We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Jeff Whatcott wrote: One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. Perhaps Macromedia might take this example to heart and 1) get community feedback from a broad base before making changes like this 2) make sure that all the materials required to explain policy are ready when the announcement is made And I think we should all remember that the best policy to to yell (politely as Ben points out) loudly and often when changes like this get made -- Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.pixelgeek.com/ ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
I didn't comment on it at the time, but I was intrigued by the suggestion that MM should give CFAS away, and concentrate on productivity products for developers. While a zero price is not what I think would be necessary for CFAS to gain many more developers, a lower price would and would make CFAS more price-competitive with the dark side. I suggest MM should look at this seriously to see if they can convince themselves there is some lower price point at which they'll do as well if not better than they are now. Note that while a lower CFAS is in my interest, having more developers competing is not. So my suggestion is not entirely self-serving... best, paul At 07:28 PM 4/29/01 -0400, you wrote: Nick, Yes, the discussions on this list were definitely a big part of this decision, and yes, folks should voice their opinions. Macromedia (I really have to get used to saying that) is very committed to ColdFusion - I have been saying that for a while now, and I hope this proves it. --- Ben PS For the record, in the future, I think we can do without the foul language that several list participants felt compelled to spew. Those messages were not forwarded to the decision markers anyway, so they did not effect the decision, and accomplished nothing at all. Civility and reason seems to prevail, not potty mouth emotions. -Original Message- From: Nick Texidor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 7:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated Oh man, This is great news. Thanks Jeff! And so good to know that this list probably had an impact on this decision!! As for those few that said they didn't want to get involved in the discussions about the licensing changes, price increases and the future of CF I hope they now appreciate the importance of discussing these things on the list, because if we HAD listed to your advice and kept quiet... Then this turn around WOULDN'T have happened!!! Now put away those PHP/ASP books... We've got some coding to get on with Thanks MM! N on 4/30/01 8:56 AM, Jeff Whatcott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1.We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2.We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3.We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Jeff Whatcott Director ColdFusion Product Marketing Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff, Thank you for listening to the concerns of the Cold Fusion community in the coming release of CF5. I know that I, as one amongst many, posted a quick response regarding my fears on how a new multi-site hosting license may affect my participation with Macromedia and the Cold Fusion product. I have long been a somewhat disgruntled user for Macromedia products, having lived through the Drumbeat/Elemental Software purchase (and from that experience never following the upgrade path through Macromedia), and even moving to Adobe's Live Motion to build Flash projects. With that in mind, I have been very (and stressed on the very) pleasantly surprised about the quick, timely, and responsive position Macromedia has moved in after the premature leak of price-structure changes to Cold Fusion this last week. In particular, I was worried about how a vaguely worded Partner Hosting License and the effect it may have on a developer like myself that builds a lot of small, non-commercial (or commercial) web-sites on my own box. I recognize that the Macromedia clarification of the Partner Hosting License clearly removed my immediate worry and concerns. And while that was good enough for protecting my block, there was still concern by other developers. I applaud Macromedia for responding to them as well. In closing I fully support Macromedia approach to stratify the product, and offer advanced multi-site management tools and server protection for higher prices. Indeed, I highly support any activity that scales a product's cost of features and functionality. This, in my mind, subsidizes the small developer community, while delivering premium (and premium as in functionality only required of specialized web hosts, or partner hosts) to premium clients. Cold Fusion Professional and Enterprise remain fully functional and robust packages, with the knowledge that Macromedia will further support and extent the product for specialized, and niche markets - if I ever am in a position to move that way. Again, thank you for your response time, and I look forward to build a better relationship with Macromedia now that I've experienced this weekend. Stephen R. Cassady [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tallylist.com - Orig. Message - Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1. We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2. We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3. We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Paul, Unfortunate Macromedia doesn't have a million other products to sell where they can turn a profit by giving one big one away for free. They are not really big enough to start playing that kind of game. In truth the cost of the product is justified at it's current price, because Clients are willing to pay it, and since server software is only a small part of the application development budget. Macromedia could never survive on onsee-twosee reduced price products sold to 'loyal' developers. Furthermore a developer shouldn't be burdened with the responsibility of purchasing server app software, ColdFusion Studio ships with a fully functional app server. - Chris !--- Christopher Cortes |Coming Q3 2001: Consultant | Stonebridge Technologies, Inc. | Optimizing ColdFusion Putting Technology To Work | By Visit us at www.sbti.com | Christopher Cortes Ofc: 713.985.6244 cel: 281.235.6100 | www.osborne.com ---! -Original Message- From: Paul Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated I didn't comment on it at the time, but I was intrigued by the suggestion that MM should give CFAS away, and concentrate on productivity products for developers. While a zero price is not what I think would be necessary for CFAS to gain many more developers, a lower price would and would make CFAS more price-competitive with the dark side. I suggest MM should look at this seriously to see if they can convince themselves there is some lower price point at which they'll do as well if not better than they are now. Note that while a lower CFAS is in my interest, having more developers competing is not. So my suggestion is not entirely self-serving... best, paul At 07:28 PM 4/29/01 -0400, you wrote: Nick, Yes, the discussions on this list were definitely a big part of this decision, and yes, folks should voice their opinions. Macromedia (I really have to get used to saying that) is very committed to ColdFusion - I have been saying that for a while now, and I hope this proves it. --- Ben PS For the record, in the future, I think we can do without the foul language that several list participants felt compelled to spew. Those messages were not forwarded to the decision markers anyway, so they did not effect the decision, and accomplished nothing at all. Civility and reason seems to prevail, not potty mouth emotions. -Original Message- From: Nick Texidor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 7:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated Oh man, This is great news. Thanks Jeff! And so good to know that this list probably had an impact on this decision!! As for those few that said they didn't want to get involved in the discussions about the licensing changes, price increases and the future of CF I hope they now appreciate the importance of discussing these things on the list, because if we HAD listed to your advice and kept quiet... Then this turn around WOULDN'T have happened!!! Now put away those PHP/ASP books... We've got some coding to get on with Thanks MM! N on 4/30/01 8:56 AM, Jeff Whatcott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1.We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2.We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3.We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Jeff, and MM, et al... I, for one, cannot begin to express how glad I am to hear that MM made such a wise decision. It renews my faith in the merger and the committment that MM has to ColdFusion. It also restores my faith in the fact that we are truly being heard and that our voices count. I obviously cannot speak for everyone on this list. But I can say that my committment to CF has increased. Thanks, so much, for listening to us. Lee Fuller Chief Technical Officer PrimeDNA Corp / AAA Web Hosting Corp We ARE the net. -Original Message- From: Jeff Whatcott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1. We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2. We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3. We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Couldn't agree more... Lee Fuller Chief Technical Officer PrimeDNA Corp / AAA Web Hosting Corp We ARE the net. --- Ben PS For the record, in the future, I think we can do without the foul language that several list participants felt compelled to spew. Those messages were not forwarded to the decision markers anyway, so they did not effect the decision, and accomplished nothing at all. Civility and reason seems to prevail, not potty mouth emotions. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Jim, What you asked for in the second paragraph is here, http://webteem.cf-developer.net/remotedev2001.cfm login as password The online docs are here. http://www.netwebapps.com/Accounts/index.cfm - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated Jeff, I'm very happy to see that Macromedia listens to its customers. Thank you. I haven't had the opportunity to check out CF 5 yet, so I don't know what features are planned for the Professional and Enterprise versions. As a very small web host, with maybe 30 domains, one thing that _did_ peak my curiosity was what features would be planned for a Service Provider Edition. I think someone was badly misinformed when they drew up the licensing and pricing for this product, but if indeed there is added value to someone doing shared hosting of CF server, there may well be a place for it. It's obviously too late to suggest significant changes for the CF 5 release, but I had wondered if we'd see some nice site-level management features, including some end-user domain management capabilities. Depending on the power of the management and security features bundled into this product, I could see an appropriate price somewhere between Pro and Enterprise, perhaps the cost of Pro plus 20-30%. Right now, the financial incentive for web hosts is still to use CF Pro over Enterprise for shared hosting. I hope to at least see some of the sand-box security features migrated into Pro, so that it IS a good fit for this environemant, and one that will further the stability and reputation of using CF for small sites. Jim -Original Message- From: Jeff Whatcott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 4:59 PM Subject: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1. We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2. We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3. We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
From: Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I didn't comment on it at the time, but I was intrigued by the suggestion that MM should give CFAS away, and concentrate on productivity products for developers. While a zero price is not what I think would be necessary for CFAS to gain many more developers, a lower price would and would make CFAS more price-competitive with the dark side. I suggest MM should look at this seriously to see if they can convince themselves there is some lower price point at which they'll do as well if not better than they are now. Note that while a lower CFAS is in my interest, having more developers competing is not. So my suggestion is not entirely self-serving... I think I was the earliest (1/16/2001) on this list to announce I was firing up a few FreeBSD/PHP/MySQL boxes in response to the original Allaire/Macromedia announcement. My participation on this list has ebbed since that time though I have read the list as frequently as I have the past years (daily). I would like to have my interests and time budgeting decisions re-focused on CFAS. Here are a few thoughts on what might bring me back ... 1. Perhaps a relatively cheap 'subscription' to a fully functional version of CFAS aimed at the small time, single developer who scripts, maintains, hosts and promotes mutliple client's web sites on a single or small cluster of servers. A CFExpress that would be worth keeping loaded longer than a few hours. 2. Such a subscription would be a semi-annual(?) CD purchase of an updated cfengine comprising the full suite of functions and tags available in any version. It would not comprise RAD tools, server farm utilities, Spectra like management suites, jrun devices, studio/ultradev/etc., versioning control or editing software. All those extras should certainly be available according to interest and budget. Successful software has the characteristic of attaining that lofty goal of being seen as an assumed part of a net capable business's basic facilites. Think of a pyramid - a very wide base of many small guys *USING* CFAS topped by layers of more involved hosters deploying thousands of sites. A pyramid is a most stable constuction and very difficult to tip over. I can envision some layer of the CF pyramid being companies to whom the small guys could outsource services that are beyond the small developers capacity and would call for a more complete collection of tools beyond the basic, core CFAS. Spectra could be reworked so that a small developer who is at the point of turning down new business because of time and management problems can buy large scale site management services from someone in the cf community. Why bother with any of this? It seems that there are many, many small time CF developers who find it easy to find non-Fortune500 customers. In aggregate, there just might be as much activity at the base of the community equal to the sum of the higher-rollers combined cash flow. No one knows as there haven't been any surveys directed at estimating this kind of data. One can only go with one's perceptions and anectdotal experiences. The bottom line is that Macromedia has an opportunity to encompass both ends of the market if they can find a way to keep the entirety of the community active, interested and involved. Making the cfengine as ubiquitously available as possible might be the key to achieving that goal. At least, that's my opinion. hope some may find these comments stimulating ... I'm keeping my CF stuff close, but I need to keep ramping up the fbsd/php solution. Pan ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Well, this is certainly good news to start the week... Regards, Howie Hamlin - inFusion Project Manager On-Line Data Solutions, Inc. www.CoolFusion.com 631-737-4668 x101 inFusion Mail Server (iMS) - The Intelligent Mail Server - Original Message - From: Kevin Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated Hi- We're definitely listening -- there were excellent points made by this group. We are of course very interested in supporting and growing the ColdFusion community and are very driven by customer feedback, as we are across our product line. I also would like to increase the communication between the ColdFusion team at Macromedia and the community here to avoid misunderstandings -- we'll be working to improve that. In the meantime, let's get back to building great stuff! thanks Kevin At 9:20 AM +1000 4/30/01, Nick Texidor wrote: Oh man, This is great news. Thanks Jeff! And so good to know that this list probably had an impact on this decision!! As for those few that said they didn't want to get involved in the discussions about the licensing changes, price increases and the future of CF I hope they now appreciate the importance of discussing these things on the list, because if we HAD listed to your advice and kept quiet... Then this turn around WOULDN'T have happened!!! Now put away those PHP/ASP books... We've got some coding to get on with Thanks MM! N on 4/30/01 8:56 AM, Jeff Whatcott at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on valued feedback from the community, we have changed our licensing plans for shared server hosting with ColdFusion Server 5. Here's what you need to know: 1.We do not plan to offer a Hosting Service Provider Edition of ColdFusion Server 5 at this time 2.We plan to license the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 in a way that allows you to provide shared server hosting services 3.We plan to introduce the Professional and Enterprise editions of ColdFusion Server 5 with the same pricing as the 4.5 release The broad availability of high quality, affordable ColdFusion hosting services is important to the continued growth and success of the ColdFusion community. We recognize the role of our partners in making this happen, and we encourage partners who offer hosting services to participate our hosting partner programs, including the Hosting Certification Program. Your involvement will help us better meet your needs in the future. One of the most exciting things about the ColdFusion Server 5 release is that it was conceived based on suggestions and feedback from the ColdFusion developer community. We rely on your continued involvement. Keep it coming. If you have any questions, concerns, or suggestions regarding the ColdFusion business, including licensing and pricing issues, feel free to email me anytime. And as you start using ColdFusion Server 5 in the months ahead, be sure to send your ideas for new features and functionality to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Product Marketing / Macromedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Hosting Service Provider Edition Eliminated
Glad to see that Macromedia is still up to its great traditions of a company that really listen to their customers. Thanks Massimo Kevin Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:v04220800b712724d63f0 We're definitely listening -- there were excellent points made by this group. We are of course very interested in supporting and growing the ColdFusion community and are very driven by customer feedback, as we are across our product line. I also would like to increase the communication between the ColdFusion team at Macromedia and the community here to avoid misunderstandings -- we'll be working to improve that. In the meantime, let's get back to building great stuff! thanks Kevin ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
