Macromedia employee participation (was RE: not another mx boo boo)

2002-10-09 Thread Matt Liotta

IMHO, how people interact on public mailing lists is a reflection on
themselves and not their employers. I welcome and encourage Macromedia
employee participation with CF mailing lists and think they should be
individually responsible for their participation. Macromedia should only
be responsible for their employees in relation to their official duties.

It seems rather easy to separate official emails from Macromedia sent
via employees on these lists from their personal opinion. Sean has done
nothing but contribute to the CF community by participating on this list
and others. While I may disagree with him and his employer on occasion
that doesn't mean I don't appreciate his participation.

It is my wish that people on this list would spend less time getting
offended by emails sent with the best intentions and more time engaging
in technical debates.

Matt Liotta
President  CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

 -Original Message-
 From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:08 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: not another mx boo boo
 
 Yes,I know where his emails come from.  However he makes many comments
to
 his employer and references to it, does not try all that hard to
seperate
 the two.  Heck when he made insultive remarks about the EfNet CF
 community on this list, he had experienced his stay(breifly as it
might
 have been) via work, he got on from a IP at macromedia.com.  But I see
 now, as long as you use a outside media you can then pick and choice
when
 you represent your company and when you just want to be a jerk.  Good
 think I represent no one, means I can be a childish person all the
time.
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: Fitch, Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:  Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:46:54 -0600
 
 Just because Sean works at MM doesn't mean he can't speak _his_ mind.
 
 All his emails come from his personal address, not a MM address.
He's
 able to say his own thoughts.  He just happens to have access to lots
of
 inside CF information at his work.
 
 t
 

**
 Tyler M. Fitch
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
 http://isitedesign.com

**
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:09 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: re: not another mx boo boo
 
 
 From best I can tell it is in fact part of his job.  It is good to
see
 that MM has employees out in these circles to best represent company
 with such attitudes and at times insulting behavior.  Anyone know who
we
 could contact at MM via smail to compliment such things?
 
 Oh, wait, nevermind I am just part of that childish group(Sean The
MM
 hat wearer words).
 
  Sean, You're not impressing me with your defensive
  attitude. Is all this arguing really part of your  job?
 
 --
 Snipe - CF_BotMaster Network=EFNet Channel=ColdFusion
 --
 
 
 
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RE: Macromedia employee participation (was RE: not another mx boo boo)

2002-10-09 Thread Lee Fuller

IM(never to be)HO..

soapbox value=on
I couldn't agree more.  Stop the PC crud, and simply look at what's real
and informative about the email.  Sure, if you want to play the
Customer is always right routine, you could slap the hands of several
of MM's employees on this list.  But you know what, we're NOT always
right.  And since we've all (well, most likely all) been on the cash
register side of the counter and experienced the crap that customers can
spew -- only to have to nod and say yes sir -- let's just remember, we
all have our opinions.

It's part of what makes this country great!  I can stand toe-to-toe with
you and call you an a#*hole, and know that it's my right to do so.

If we're not smart enough to realize the difference between an
official comment and an unofficial one, then I believe we should
sell our 'puters and quit our current job(s).  I'm certain we would have
no problem finding a top-flight position in either the food service or
janitorial industries.
soapbox value=off

| -Original Message-
| From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:23 PM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Macromedia employee participation (was RE: not 
| another mx boo boo)
| 
| 
| IMHO, how people interact on public mailing lists is a 
| reflection on themselves and not their employers. I welcome 
| and encourage Macromedia employee participation with CF 
| mailing lists and think they should be individually 
| responsible for their participation. Macromedia should only 
| be responsible for their employees in relation to their 
| official duties.
| 
| It seems rather easy to separate official emails from 
| Macromedia sent via employees on these lists from their 
| personal opinion. Sean has done nothing but contribute to the 
| CF community by participating on this list and others. While 
| I may disagree with him and his employer on occasion that 
| doesn't mean I don't appreciate his participation.
| 
| It is my wish that people on this list would spend less time 
| getting offended by emails sent with the best intentions and 
| more time engaging in technical debates.
| 
| Matt Liotta
| President  CEO
| Montara Software, Inc.
| http://www.montarasoftware.com/
| 888-408-0900 x901
| 
|  -Original Message-
|  From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|  Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:08 PM
|  To: CF-Talk
|  Subject: RE: not another mx boo boo
|  
|  Yes,I know where his emails come from.  However he makes 
| many comments
| to
|  his employer and references to it, does not try all that hard to
| seperate
|  the two.  Heck when he made insultive remarks about the EfNet CF 
|  community on this list, he had experienced his stay(breifly as it
| might
|  have been) via work, he got on from a IP at macromedia.com. 
|  But I see 
|  now, as long as you use a outside media you can then pick and choice
| when
|  you represent your company and when you just want to be a 
| jerk.  Good 
|  think I represent no one, means I can be a childish person all the
| time.
|  
|  -- Original Message --
|  From: Fitch, Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  Date:  Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:46:54 -0600
|  
|  Just because Sean works at MM doesn't mean he can't speak 
| _his_ mind.
|  
|  All his emails come from his personal address, not a MM address.
| He's
|  able to say his own thoughts.  He just happens to have 
| access to lots
| of
|  inside CF information at his work.
|  
|  t
|  
| 
| *
| *
|  Tyler M. Fitch
|  Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer http://isitedesign.com
| 
| *
| *
|  
|  -Original Message-
|  From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|  Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:09 AM
|  To: CF-Talk
|  Subject: re: not another mx boo boo
|  
|  
|  From best I can tell it is in fact part of his job.  It is good to
| see
|  that MM has employees out in these circles to best 
| represent company 
|  with such attitudes and at times insulting behavior.  
| Anyone know who
| we
|  could contact at MM via smail to compliment such things?
|  
|  Oh, wait, nevermind I am just part of that childish group(Sean The
| MM
|  hat wearer words).
|  
|   Sean, You're not impressing me with your defensive 
| attitude. Is all 
|   this arguing really part of your  job?
|  
|  --
|  Snipe - CF_BotMaster Network=EFNet Channel=ColdFusion
|  --
|  
|  
|  
| 
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Re: Macromedia employee participation (was RE: not another mx boo boo)

2002-10-09 Thread jon hall

Amen.

Wednesday, October 9, 2002, 4:42:07 PM, you wrote:
LF soapbox value=on
snip
LF If we're not smart enough to realize the difference between an
LF official comment and an unofficial one, then I believe we should
LF sell our 'puters and quit our current job(s).  I'm certain we would have
LF no problem finding a top-flight position in either the food service or
LF janitorial industries.
LF soapbox value=off

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