Microsoft Bashing - Was: RE:SQL Worm

2003-01-26 Thread Lee Fuller
This needs to go off to some other place.

However, I wonder why people say this.  It's VERY easy to arm chair
quarterback.  But not so easy to run a multi-billion dollar corporation with
hundreds of thousands of employees, hundreds of products and being in
virtually every part of the world.

At any rate.. Let's take this somewhere else.. It's not tech oriented around
CF.



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Re: Microsoft Bashing - Was: RE:SQL Worm

2003-01-26 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
 This needs to go off to some other place.

 However, I wonder why people say this.
 It's VERY easy to arm chair quarterback.
 But not so easy to run a multi-billion
 dollar corporation with hundreds of
 thousands of employees, hundreds of
 products and being in virtually every
 part of the world.

This is the epitome of arm-chair quarterbacking.

What did our financials look like for last year?
... blah blah...

What are people buying?
... blah blah...

Take the money we made last year and make more of that stuff.
Yes Sir.

But the presidents and executives and trustees of a multinational
conglomerate I think ultimately have little ability to control the machine
-- they can only make decisions in such broad strokes as to ultimately end
up being nearly superfluous themselves. Take the CEO of any given
multinational corp. away and someone else steps in and usually makes roughly
the same decisions. Sure, there are semantic changes -- one guy's more
popular with trustees a, b and c, and the other guy is more popular with
trustees x, y and z, but that doesn't usually dramatically change his
ability to influence the board, etc... Of course, fraud and some other less
than desireable actions can dramatically change an individual's ability to
influence a company, re: Enron  MCI. But then these things likely affect
the quality of their product very little and I doubt many individuals
earning well over 6 figures really care in particular about the quality of
their company's product anyway. At 6 figures it would be very difficult to
squander enough money to significantly affect your standard of living.

 At any rate.. Let's take this somewhere else..
 It's not tech oriented around CF.

Arm chair quarterbacking are we?



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Re: Microsoft Bashing - Was: RE:SQL Worm

2003-01-26 Thread Paris Lundis
Pretty poetic... The CF-Talk group tends to be the folks in the 
ditches.. A few of us own our own thing and do well, but no one I know 
of has 10k employees and all that jazz...

It seems pretty irresponsible to have issues like this worm... I know 
from having maintained environments that needed to support 100 
difficult users with all of their different needs that securing an 
environment takes a strategy no matter what the platform...

Saying you are too big or the problem is too complex just can't be 
allowed to cut it... Liability in my opinion is and has been the 
largest issue businesses face... Say we adopt the same big argument to 
hospitals.. Next thing you know your employee knows about those stress 
meds you have been taking...  Thus HIPAA was created to neutralize the 
irresponsible...

Similiarly, there should be a standards measure that anyone with a 
public facing resource should clearly be able to say they have made the 
best and most calculated base to ensure the reliability and security 
thereof 

If such were upheld/created, fending off lawsuits and government 
regulation as well as lost business would be more honest and easy...

No one would listen if Boeing airplanes started falling out of the sky 
and the men on the line said oh we produce tons of them...  No one 
would listen if their financial data were disclosed and they were 
defrauded...

Protecting your enviroment should be a portion of identifiable time you 
spend or someone in your organization spends in an ongoing manner... If 
you don't have the luxury you will when something fatal happens... And 
remember to yell out the names of your bosses who told you to overlook 
it... Overlook it like the factory worker allowing EPA unapproved 
liquids and gases to sneak out of the plant when told to...

-paris

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Areaindex, L.L.C.
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-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:51:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Microsoft Bashing - Was: RE:SQL Worm

  This needs to go off to some other place.
 
  However, I wonder why people say this.
  It's VERY easy to arm chair quarterback.
  But not so easy to run a multi-billion
  dollar corporation with hundreds of
  thousands of employees, hundreds of
  products and being in virtually every
  part of the world.
 
 This is the epitome of arm-chair quarterbacking.
 
 What did our financials look like for last year?
   ... blah blah...
 
 What are people buying?
   ... blah blah...
 
 Take the money we made last year and make more of that stuff.
   Yes Sir.
 
 But the presidents and executives and trustees of a multinational
 conglomerate I think ultimately have little ability to control the
 machine
 -- they can only make decisions in such broad strokes as to
 ultimately end
 up being nearly superfluous themselves. Take the CEO of any given
 multinational corp. away and someone else steps in and usually makes
 roughly
 the same decisions. Sure, there are semantic changes -- one guy's
 more
 popular with trustees a, b and c, and the other guy is more popular
 with
 trustees x, y and z, but that doesn't usually dramatically change his
 ability to influence the board, etc... Of course, fraud and some
 other less
 than desireable actions can dramatically change an individual's
 ability to
 influence a company, re: Enron  MCI. But then these things likely
 affect
 the quality of their product very little and I doubt many individuals
 earning well over 6 figures really care in particular about the
 quality of
 their company's product anyway. At 6 figures it would be very
 difficult to
 squander enough money to significantly affect your standard of
 living.
 
  At any rate.. Let's take this somewhere else..
  It's not tech oriented around CF.
 
 Arm chair quarterbacking are we?
 
 
 
 s. isaac dealey954-776-0046
 
 new epoch  http://www.turnkey.to
 
 lead architect, tapestry cms   http://products.turnkey.to
 
 tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi
 
 certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer
 http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816
 
 
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RE: Microsoft Bashing - Was: RE:SQL Worm

2003-01-26 Thread Lee Fuller
Nope.. Not at all.  Following the known, and posted, rules of this list.

Hardly in my pervue to call the shots.  Only to make comments and
suggestions to follow the plan.

This is my last post on this list regarding this topic.


|  At any rate.. Let's take this somewhere else..
|  It's not tech oriented around CF.
| 
| Arm chair quarterbacking are we?

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