Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Aaron Rouse]

I have to use Dreamweaver at two of my clients, I do not know the versions
offhand but both are before CC.  The syncing is pretty elementary but
honestly in all the years I have had to use the product it has not failed
to show me that files local v. remote are different.  If I want to see the
difference and compare them then I click the button which then loads up my
default tool(Beyond Compare) and then with that tool I can see the line
differences.  There are rare times that the sync thinks a difference exists
but none at all does, but I am not going to get upset with Dreamweaver over
that because quite frankly sometimes Beyond Compare even does that and we
are talking rare times.  DW is not all that bad of a tool but I guess it
boils down to what and how it is used.  I personally use it for no more
than a code editor and to push/get files off development servers, actually
kind of rare I used it for sync'n except when taking on support of
someone's old project.  I never have used any of the page browsing features
or really any of the design tools and lord knows what else is in there.

I use CFB2 at my office and not yet found time to put 3 on that machine.
 There are a number of minor things I just do not like and hopefully the
recent change takes care of.  Especially in regards to writing HTML, no
matter how much I try to tweak settings I find I often am typing more
elements out in CFB v. DW and that statement does actually apply to both CF
and HTML.

--
Admiral Aaron Rouse
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On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
>
> But I would even go as far as to say that DW file sync, is not feature rich
> and is very basic file sync at best. I doubt it could do line sync'ing in
> any way shape or form.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
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>
>


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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Are they older videos though?

Remember that a lot of functionality was rewriting, because it was part of
the Aptana application that CFB was built on. Since Adobe removed this,
things like FTP have gone out the window. Look to be honest, removing
Aptana is the best thing Adobe could have done. But they should have made
sure all the functionality that it removes should have been re-added back
to CFB 3.0.

CFB is actually a decent editor now, since Apatana has been taken out. A
lot of the previous bugs where due to this over priced junk that Adobe
decided to save time and money with.

But as far as being a higher standard *sigh* That is a
misconception that Adobe have been very good at pulling the wool over our
eyes with. But there attitude will always be, well we gave you mobile
development.

But where CFB shines, is the vast library of plugins for any development.
It is the only editor I use, for all my development in a one stop shop. Try
that with Dreamweaver and sublime etc.

You can't and Adobe know this. Liek dreamweaver, how do I control all my
subversion or git in dreamweaver, you just can't do it. Line debugging,
just can't do it in dreaweaver. If you have been used to something like DW
then the learning curve going forward is always going to be huge, nothing
you do can change that but learn faster.

I only wish that Scooter, would release a version of their great software
as an eclipse plugin. It is as the moment the only time I exit the IDE,
these days.

But I would even go as far as to say that DW file sync, is not feature rich
and is very basic file sync at best. I doubt it could do line sync'ing in
any way shape or form.




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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> Thanks Andrew.   I bow to your experience and wisdom.   I was just going on
> the words of Adobe where they have videos telling about the synchronisation
> and the ftp settings etc in the app.There's my stupidity. I should know
> better than to believe anything those buggers say.  They have fallen short
> so many times I dont know why I keep getting sucked in by them.
>
> Jeez on an area where I do have considerable experience and expertise,
> their major accounts sales effort is not even up to the standard of basic
> learner beginner sales rep standard.  And that's a long way ahead of their
> marketing. So why I thought their IDE would be of a higher standard
> when they've just gone and broken their main development tool
>  (Dreamweaver) i dont know.
>
> More fool me.
>
> Thanks for tolerating me and not calling me a fool.  I'll do that all by
> myself.
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
>
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
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>
>
> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

Thanks Andrew.   I bow to your experience and wisdom.   I was just going on
the words of Adobe where they have videos telling about the synchronisation
and the ftp settings etc in the app.There's my stupidity. I should know
better than to believe anything those buggers say.  They have fallen short
so many times I dont know why I keep getting sucked in by them.

Jeez on an area where I do have considerable experience and expertise,
their major accounts sales effort is not even up to the standard of basic
learner beginner sales rep standard.  And that's a long way ahead of their
marketing. So why I thought their IDE would be of a higher standard
when they've just gone and broken their main development tool
 (Dreamweaver) i dont know.

More fool me.

Thanks for tolerating me and not calling me a fool.  I'll do that all by
myself.

Cheers
Mike Kear


Cheers
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Now come on the day Adobe has things like testing an integration testing
will be the day I die... I mean how can a company be told that there is a
serious backwards compatibility issue over 9 months ago, to ignore that and
never fix it. Yet ColdFusion 11 is now out in the wild and anything using
ORM and Events in ColdFusion from ColdBox will not work on ColdFusion 11
because of this major flaw.

You should know Adobe by now.



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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> Thanks Brian,   I think you might be right.   After all the 'mine's bigger
> than yours' and 'you should be using a REAL IDE'  pi$$ing contests over the
> years between Eclipse users and Dreamweaver users, I figured since Adobe
> are ashamed of ColdFusion and dont want Dreamweaver users to be able to use
> it,  I might as well see if the CF Builder approach was a better one.
>
> So far it's cost me over $1000 in lost time and I'm nowhere near to doing
> with it what I used to do  in Dreamweaver. Sadly I can't go back to
> Dreamweaver, because the last update to the CC version broke it and the CS6
> versions so that when you use .cfm or .cfc files it can take as long as 5
> minutes to switch between two open files.   I dont know what it's doing in
> the background.   Maybe spellchecking "War and Peace" or something.
>
> So I have to persevere.  But I'm NOT a happy camper!!
>
> I think they should have waited a bit longer to release the new version
> until someone had actually used it in the wild.   Didn't they do any beta
> testing?
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Bryan Stevenson <
> br...@electricedgesystems.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Mikenot that this helps you in anyway, but all your issues is why I
> > use code editors for writing code - period
> >
> > I use an FTP client for moving files and I use SVN for knowing what to
> > upload
> >
>
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
> ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>
>
> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Mike,

First let me be very clear, ColdFusion Builder doesn't come with any FTP
support. This is an eclipse plugin that needs to be added to the
installation.

Here is a snippet from SO that explains this.

But again, you would do yourself a huge favor if your used something like
Scooters Beyond Compare, it is the best thing since sliced bread.

As for browsing your website, Eclipse also comes with a web Browser, all
you need to do is open that view and browse to the website in question.
Again I can't stress enough how the whole display the your page in CFB was
a shame to begin with as it never worked for thr majority of people any
way. The reason is because the project needs to be setup in a certain way,
anyway long story short is gone and good riddance to that crap from CFB.

CFB has the edge on everyone else because it has a library of plugins that
can be added to do your workflow with, this is what makes CFB more
appealing than the likes of sublime etc.

But you do what you need to do, if your expecting an editor to do the FTP
stuff for you, then fine go grab the basic FTP plugins and use them, but
you will be using something that is not powerful or fully configurable as
Beyond Compare.



*Eclipse natively supports FTP and SSH. Aptana is not necessary.*

*Native FTP and SSH support in Eclipse is in the "Remote System Explorer
End-User Runtime" Plugin.*

*Install it through Eclipse itself. These instructions may vary slightly
with your version of Eclipse:*

   1. *Go to 'Help' -> 'Install New Software' (in older Eclipses, this is
   called something a bit different)*
   2.
*In the 'Work with:' drop-down, select your version's plugin release site.
   Example: for Kepler, this is  Kepler
   - http://download.eclipse.org/releases/kepler
   *
   3. *In the filter field, type 'remote'.*
   4. *Check the box next to 'Remote System Explorer End-User Runtime'*
   5. *Click 'Next'. It should now download and install.*
   6. *After install, Eclipse may want to restart.*

*Using it, in Eclipse:*

   1. *Window -> Open Perspective -> (perhaps select 'Other') -> Remote
   System Explorer*
   2. *File -> New -> Other -> Remote System Explorer (folder) ->
   Connection (or type Connection into the filter field)*
   3. *Choose FTP from the 'Select Remote System Type' panel.*
   4. *Fill in your FTP host info in the next panel (username and password
   come later).*
   5. *In the Remote Systems panel, right-click the hostname and click
   'connect'.*
   6. *Enter username + password and you're good!*
   7. *Well, not exactly 'good'. The RSE system is fairly unusual, but
   you're connected.*
   8. *And you're one smart cookie! You'll figure out the rest.*

*Edit: To change the default port, follow the instructions on this
page:http://ikool.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/tips-to-access-ftpssh-on-different-ports-using-eclipse-rse/
*




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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> I've had enough of this damned ColdFusion Builder 3 for now.   It's just
> too bloody frustrating.   Maybe I might come back to it,  maybe not.
>
> The FTP/Synchronise thing is just barely something you would expect a
> beginner programmer to produce.Trying to make it work is groping in the
> dark because the help is not related to this product.  Instructions on
> setting up FTP begins :
>
>
>1. Right-click the project in the Navigator view.
>2. Click Synchronize > Create New Synchronize Connection.
>
> But there's no Synchonize option to choose from.  So it's a loser right
> there.The only thing i can find about uploading files to the remote
> server is "Export..."  but there's no help file for that.  Therefore what
> information goes where is just a guess. But dont get anything wrong,
> because you can't change anything.  There's no way to edit your ftp
> settings.And what's worse  once you've set up a ftp spec for a site,
> you can't edit it or set up another one with that same address.   Too bad
> if you have to change your password for any reason.And you can't delete
> an existing one and set it up again if you got your guess wrong the first
> time.
>
>
> In Dreamweaver, to upload a modified file to the site takes 2 clicks.
>  Select the file, then click the up arrow.   It automatically creates
> folders on the remote server if the folder doesnt exist and just puts the
> modified file in there.
>
> In ColdFusion Builder - it's a bloody complicated process. Every time you
> try to export a file,  it downloads the whole file directory from the
> remote site.  If there are hundreds of files on that site, you have to wait
> while it downloads all the file names, dates, etc. It doesnt remember
> the last one - upload a file,  make a single little change, 

Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Bryan Stevenson]

Yep...all that CC crapola is why I stick with Eclipse/CFEclipse - at 
least it's free and won't ever vanish ;-)

I did see someone suggest Sublimeand I've had some folks I'm 
considering hiring mention it as well - the one thing I can say about it 
is it opens FAST!  I haven't had the time to dig in yetbut it could 
be my new free tool ;-)

But heyif it helps you feel betterthe VM I use for my dev work 
has decided to randomly blue screen and restart as of yesterday - so I'm 
feelin some pain too...LOL

Cheers

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President & CEO
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM)
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

Thanks Brian,   I think you might be right.   After all the 'mine's bigger
than yours' and 'you should be using a REAL IDE'  pi$$ing contests over the
years between Eclipse users and Dreamweaver users, I figured since Adobe
are ashamed of ColdFusion and dont want Dreamweaver users to be able to use
it,  I might as well see if the CF Builder approach was a better one.

So far it's cost me over $1000 in lost time and I'm nowhere near to doing
with it what I used to do  in Dreamweaver. Sadly I can't go back to
Dreamweaver, because the last update to the CC version broke it and the CS6
versions so that when you use .cfm or .cfc files it can take as long as 5
minutes to switch between two open files.   I dont know what it's doing in
the background.   Maybe spellchecking "War and Peace" or something.

So I have to persevere.  But I'm NOT a happy camper!!

I think they should have waited a bit longer to release the new version
until someone had actually used it in the wild.   Didn't they do any beta
testing?



On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Bryan Stevenson <
br...@electricedgesystems.com> wrote:

>
> Mikenot that this helps you in anyway, but all your issues is why I
> use code editors for writing code - period
>
> I use an FTP client for moving files and I use SVN for knowing what to
> upload
>


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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Bryan Stevenson]

Mikenot that this helps you in anyway, but all your issues is why I 
use code editors for writing code - period

I use an FTP client for moving files and I use SVN for knowing what to 
upload

I use a browser for testing - never the browser in a code editor way

I've always developed that way and short of a few "how do they do it in 
this editor" issues, I've never been sidelined like you have been

Different strokes for different folks for sure - just an observation 
from someone who develops differently

I also don't have 39 projects going at one time - large plodding 
projects ;-)

Just a thoughtyou may find additional help if you search for how to 
do things in Eclipse - I hope CFBuilder isn't too big of a departure 
from what it's built on top of!!

Best of luck

Cheers

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On 14-05-01 02:42 PM, Mike K wrote:
> I've had enough of this damned ColdFusion Builder 3 for now.   It's just
> too bloody frustrating.   Maybe I might come back to it,  maybe not.
>
> The FTP/Synchronise thing is just barely something you would expect a
> beginner programmer to produce.Trying to make it work is groping in the
> dark because the help is not related to this product.  Instructions on
> setting up FTP begins :
>
>
> 1. Right-click the project in the Navigator view.
> 2. Click Synchronize > Create New Synchronize Connection.
>
> But there's no Synchonize option to choose from.  So it's a loser right
> there.The only thing i can find about uploading files to the remote
> server is "Export..."  but there's no help file for that.  Therefore what
> information goes where is just a guess. But dont get anything wrong,
> because you can't change anything.  There's no way to edit your ftp
> settings.And what's worse  once you've set up a ftp spec for a site,
> you can't edit it or set up another one with that same address.   Too bad
> if you have to change your password for any reason.And you can't delete
> an existing one and set it up again if you got your guess wrong the first
> time.
>
>
> In Dreamweaver, to upload a modified file to the site takes 2 clicks.
>   Select the file, then click the up arrow.   It automatically creates
> folders on the remote server if the folder doesnt exist and just puts the
> modified file in there.
>
> In ColdFusion Builder - it's a bloody complicated process. Every time you
> try to export a file,  it downloads the whole file directory from the
> remote site.  If there are hundreds of files on that site, you have to wait
> while it downloads all the file names, dates, etc. It doesnt remember
> the last one - upload a file,  make a single little change, wait while it
> downloads the directory of the remote site all over again,  then take a few
> seconds  to upload your revised file.In one case, it takes 5 minutes to
> upload a 15kb file because of all that fussing about.
>
> I made an error the first time I set up export specs (probably forgot a
> trailing '/' or something) and now I can't fix it,  can't delete it and do
> it again,  can't synchonise at all.   That site is no longer able to be
> uploaded from ColdFusion Builder 3.
>
> I'm trying really hard, because I honestly want to be open minded about it.
>But I'm not becoming a fan of ColdFusion Builder 3 yet.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Andrew Scott wrote:
>
>> Feel your pain Mike, but perseverance can fix that at times.
>>
>> The root, is what I stated earlier, when I said I usually just set it to
>> the root for ColdFusion and that is the wwwroot in ColdFusion itself and
>> not inetpub or your projects. Yes I agree this area is not well documented
>> nor blogged, because people just don't use the line debugger and its power.
>> I guess you can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink it.
>>
>> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
> ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>
>
> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

I've had enough of this damned ColdFusion Builder 3 for now.   It's just
too bloody frustrating.   Maybe I might come back to it,  maybe not.

The FTP/Synchronise thing is just barely something you would expect a
beginner programmer to produce.Trying to make it work is groping in the
dark because the help is not related to this product.  Instructions on
setting up FTP begins :


   1. Right-click the project in the Navigator view.
   2. Click Synchronize > Create New Synchronize Connection.

But there's no Synchonize option to choose from.  So it's a loser right
there.The only thing i can find about uploading files to the remote
server is "Export..."  but there's no help file for that.  Therefore what
information goes where is just a guess. But dont get anything wrong,
because you can't change anything.  There's no way to edit your ftp
settings.And what's worse  once you've set up a ftp spec for a site,
you can't edit it or set up another one with that same address.   Too bad
if you have to change your password for any reason.And you can't delete
an existing one and set it up again if you got your guess wrong the first
time.


In Dreamweaver, to upload a modified file to the site takes 2 clicks.
 Select the file, then click the up arrow.   It automatically creates
folders on the remote server if the folder doesnt exist and just puts the
modified file in there.

In ColdFusion Builder - it's a bloody complicated process. Every time you
try to export a file,  it downloads the whole file directory from the
remote site.  If there are hundreds of files on that site, you have to wait
while it downloads all the file names, dates, etc. It doesnt remember
the last one - upload a file,  make a single little change, wait while it
downloads the directory of the remote site all over again,  then take a few
seconds  to upload your revised file.In one case, it takes 5 minutes to
upload a 15kb file because of all that fussing about.

I made an error the first time I set up export specs (probably forgot a
trailing '/' or something) and now I can't fix it,  can't delete it and do
it again,  can't synchonise at all.   That site is no longer able to be
uploaded from ColdFusion Builder 3.

I'm trying really hard, because I honestly want to be open minded about it.
  But I'm not becoming a fan of ColdFusion Builder 3 yet.



On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
> Feel your pain Mike, but perseverance can fix that at times.
>
> The root, is what I stated earlier, when I said I usually just set it to
> the root for ColdFusion and that is the wwwroot in ColdFusion itself and
> not inetpub or your projects. Yes I agree this area is not well documented
> nor blogged, because people just don't use the line debugger and its power.
> I guess you can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink it.
>
> Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month


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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Feel your pain Mike, but perseverance can fix that at times.

The root, is what I stated earlier, when I said I usually just set it to
the root for ColdFusion and that is the wwwroot in ColdFusion itself and
not inetpub or your projects. Yes I agree this area is not well documented
nor blogged, because people just don't use the line debugger and its power.
I guess you can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink it.

JRun is J2EE.

ColdFusion standalone still runs as a J2EE application, technically.

I think your going to have issues with FTP, I tried it on the beta version
and couldn't get it to work. You have to go an install the Eclipse plugin,
as the previous FTP stuff was handled by Aptana. I guess Adobe figure that
it is available as a plugin and didn't think about distributing it with
Eclipse. Unless there is some licensing issues doing that.

But in Eclipse you will need to enter the repository for Eclipse and find
the Remote Services something or other, also known as RSE.



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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> So far this has cost me about 8 hours of billable time to setup,  and its
> only required because Adobe decided to take ColdFusion out of Dreamweaver,
>  the tool I've been using for years and years.   It's proving a BLOODY
> EXPENSIVE tool.
>
> A little bit of progress at last. I have to say this term "root" is
> causing me a lot of confusion - document root,   server root,  context root
>   web root.which is which in any location in the server set up.
>  There are so many possibilities at any point its very confusing.
>
> At last I have a setup that will give me 'run as' that opens my default
> browser and displays the page. For the record, even though I have a
> jrun setup,  i found it will display in a browser  if i dont have J2EE
>  settings in the server setup.I still havent found a way to have it
> show the page in CFBuilder - it opens a new window in the default browser.
>No way yet found to open the file in any other browser.  Perhaps when i
> get to the part about live update and mobile devices etc it will come
> clear.
>
> But debug doesnt work.   It gives me an error message:
>
> Next to work on making the FTP work.   (That took me about 5 minutes to get
> to work when I was learning Dreamweaver).
>
> But I'm sticking with it for now, and I'm still prepared to be convinced
> that ColdFusion Builder is a worthwhile IDE.   But the product has a way to
> go to convince me yet.
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
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> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
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>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Andrew Scott  >wrote:
>
> >
> > Dave answered what I was going to say next.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
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> >
> >
>
>
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

So far this has cost me about 8 hours of billable time to setup,  and its
only required because Adobe decided to take ColdFusion out of Dreamweaver,
 the tool I've been using for years and years.   It's proving a BLOODY
EXPENSIVE tool.

A little bit of progress at last. I have to say this term "root" is
causing me a lot of confusion - document root,   server root,  context root
  web root.which is which in any location in the server set up.
 There are so many possibilities at any point its very confusing.

At last I have a setup that will give me 'run as' that opens my default
browser and displays the page. For the record, even though I have a
jrun setup,  i found it will display in a browser  if i dont have J2EE
 settings in the server setup.I still havent found a way to have it
show the page in CFBuilder - it opens a new window in the default browser.
   No way yet found to open the file in any other browser.  Perhaps when i
get to the part about live update and mobile devices etc it will come
clear.

But debug doesnt work.   It gives me an error message:

Next to work on making the FTP work.   (That took me about 5 minutes to get
to work when I was learning Dreamweaver).

But I'm sticking with it for now, and I'm still prepared to be convinced
that ColdFusion Builder is a worthwhile IDE.   But the product has a way to
go to convince me yet.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
> Dave answered what I was going to say next.
>
> Regards,
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Dave Watts]

> Thanks for explaining that.

You're welcome!

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Dave answered what I was going to say next.

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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> The administrator is found at
> http://localhost/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm and its physically at
> D:\Sites\webroot\htdocs\CFIDE\administrator\index.cfm
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Andrew Scott  >wrote:
>
> >
> > lol... np...
> >
> > Well what is the URL you access the Administrator with, does it have
> > cfusion in it?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >
> >
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

The administrator is found at
http://localhost/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm and its physically at
D:\Sites\webroot\htdocs\CFIDE\administrator\index.cfm




On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
> lol... np...
>
> Well what is the URL you access the Administrator with, does it have
> cfusion in it?
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>
>
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

Thanks Dave.  That clears that up.Now I understand what 'context'
means, I realise I set it up as you suggested.I didn't understand what
"context" means because it's something i've never used, apart from setting
up "/" as the context root as one of the many settings when I installed
ColdFusion.

Thanks for explaining that.




On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:50 AM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> > So I hate to be keeping on about it but I dont understand what a context
> > is.  Do i have one?  Why do i want one?
>
> A context root is a URL pattern to which all URLs identified as
> possibly to be processed by CF will conform. In the vast majority of
> cases, it's simply a single slash:
>
> [snip]


>
> Cheers
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Dave Watts]

> So I hate to be keeping on about it but I dont understand what a context
> is.  Do i have one?  Why do i want one?

A context root is a URL pattern to which all URLs identified as
possibly to be processed by CF will conform. In the vast majority of
cases, it's simply a single slash:

/

which means that every URL will be identified as possibly to be
processed by CF. When you set up multiserver, the context root is "/"
by default.

The purpose of the context root in the larger picture is to let you
have multiple J2EE instances on a single web server. Each J2EE
instance associated with a single web server has to have a different
context root, so that the web server can figure out which one should
be processing which request. For example, let's say that I had two
apps on myserver.com, and I wanted each of them to be processed by a
separate J2EE instance:

http://myserver.com/app1/
http://myserver.com/app2/

The context roots for the two instances would therefore be:

/app1
/app2

Very few people use context roots with CF, because very few people are
trying to run different applications with different CF instances
connected to a single virtual web server. But, you might also use
context roots to limit which URLs have to be processed by the CF web
server module. For example, on the Adobe site, and the Macromedia site
before it, for a long time (when they used CF) they used a context
root of /cfusion for all the CF files. That way, the web server could
easily identify whether files had to be sent to the CF web server
module or not.

Again, it's unlikely that you're using anything other than the default
context root, though - and if you were, you'd know it because you'd
have set it up in the first place.

> I have a CF9 setup as J2EE which is what most people did for CF9, as I
> believe.

I don't think most people did that, actually. But maybe they should have!

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

lol... np...

Well what is the URL you access the Administrator with, does it have
cfusion in it?

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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> Oops.   How rude.   Thanks ANDREW!!!   Sorry :)
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:28 AM, Mike K  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Scott but i DO have a J2EE server.  That was how we all set up
> > coldfusion from MX because that's how shared hosting was set up.  So
> anyone
> > using shared hosting set dev servers up the same.
> >
> > So I hate to be keeping on about it but I dont understand what a context
> > is.  Do i have one?  Why do i want one?
> >
> > I have a CF9 setup as J2EE which is what most people did for CF9, as I
> > believe.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Andrew Scott  >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> Context only applies if you install ColdFusion as a J2EE server
> instance,
> >> and you have a context to access that instance. If you only have a
> >> standalone / Multi (pre CF 10) then you will not need to worry about it,
> >> which I said earlier.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrew Scott
> >> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> >> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Mike K  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Andrew,  thanks .   I'm not trying to be stupid here, but I am not
> >> 'getting
> >> > it' yet. " the context if if your using an instance under a
> >> context."
> >> >  What does that mean? How to i know if i'm using a context?I
> >> just
> >> > installed ColdFusion using the defaults that come with the jrun
> install.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Mike Kear
> >> >
> >>
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Mike Kear
> > Windsor, NSW, Australia
> > Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> > AFP Webworks
> > http://afpwebworks.com
> > ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Scott Brady]

I believe it was released the same day as CF11 

> On May 1, 2014, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Scott  wrote:
> 
> 
> Oh I did not know it had been released as yet...
> 
> Regards,
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> 
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

Oops.   How rude.   Thanks ANDREW!!!   Sorry :)




On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:28 AM, Mike K  wrote:

> Thanks Scott but i DO have a J2EE server.  That was how we all set up
> coldfusion from MX because that's how shared hosting was set up.  So anyone
> using shared hosting set dev servers up the same.
>
> So I hate to be keeping on about it but I dont understand what a context
> is.  Do i have one?  Why do i want one?
>
> I have a CF9 setup as J2EE which is what most people did for CF9, as I
> believe.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Andrew Scott wrote:
>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Context only applies if you install ColdFusion as a J2EE server instance,
>> and you have a context to access that instance. If you only have a
>> standalone / Multi (pre CF 10) then you will not need to worry about it,
>> which I said earlier.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrew Scott
>> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
>> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Mike K  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Andrew,  thanks .   I'm not trying to be stupid here, but I am not
>> 'getting
>> > it' yet. " the context if if your using an instance under a
>> context."
>> >  What does that mean? How to i know if i'm using a context?I
>> just
>> > installed ColdFusion using the defaults that come with the jrun install.
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Mike Kear
>> >
>>
> --
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
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>



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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

Thanks Scott but i DO have a J2EE server.  That was how we all set up
coldfusion from MX because that's how shared hosting was set up.  So anyone
using shared hosting set dev servers up the same.

So I hate to be keeping on about it but I dont understand what a context
is.  Do i have one?  Why do i want one?

I have a CF9 setup as J2EE which is what most people did for CF9, as I
believe.




On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:20 AM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
> Mike,
>
> Context only applies if you install ColdFusion as a J2EE server instance,
> and you have a context to access that instance. If you only have a
> standalone / Multi (pre CF 10) then you will not need to worry about it,
> which I said earlier.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Mike K  wrote:
>
> >
> > Andrew,  thanks .   I'm not trying to be stupid here, but I am not
> 'getting
> > it' yet. " the context if if your using an instance under a context."
> >  What does that mean? How to i know if i'm using a context?I just
> > installed ColdFusion using the defaults that come with the jrun install.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Mike Kear
> >
>
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Mike,

Context only applies if you install ColdFusion as a J2EE server instance,
and you have a context to access that instance. If you only have a
standalone / Multi (pre CF 10) then you will not need to worry about it,
which I said earlier.

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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:12 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> Andrew,  thanks .   I'm not trying to be stupid here, but I am not 'getting
> it' yet. " the context if if your using an instance under a context."
>  What does that mean? How to i know if i'm using a context?I just
> installed ColdFusion using the defaults that come with the jrun install.
>
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Andrew Scott  >wrote:
>
> >
> > Actually I did mention the J2EE aspects, the context if if your using an
> > instance under a context.
> >
> > I don't use the run as / view so I am guessing, but you did RMB on the
> > project and select the server to use for this project?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

Andrew,  thanks .   I'm not trying to be stupid here, but I am not 'getting
it' yet. " the context if if your using an instance under a context."
 What does that mean? How to i know if i'm using a context?I just
installed ColdFusion using the defaults that come with the jrun install.


Cheers
Mike Kear


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
> Actually I did mention the J2EE aspects, the context if if your using an
> instance under a context.
>
> I don't use the run as / view so I am guessing, but you did RMB on the
> project and select the server to use for this project?
>
> Regards,
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>
>
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Oh I did not know it had been released as yet...

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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Andrew Scott wrote:

> Actually I did mention the J2EE aspects, the context if if your using an
> instance under a context.
>
> I don't use the run as / view so I am guessing, but you did RMB on the
> project and select the server to use for this project?
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Mike K  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thank you for persevering with me, Andrew.   I'm glad it's not just me
>> being dense.   This is still very confusing.  I suppose once I've set up
>>  a
>> couple of projects it might be understandable.  I'd hope so - i have 39 to
>> set up!!
>>
>> Dean, thanks for the reassurance that code insight actually does work.  I
>> can make code insight work as far as the application.beanfactory.getbean()
>> part - Typing 'application.' will result in getting the insight into the
>> coldspring CFCs.   but when i type the bean name, and want the methods
>> inside my CFC, it doesnt work.  So I suspect the reason for that is that I
>> havent got the server set up properly in the project.Therefore I'm
>> putting this aside for now and I'll come back to it once I've worked out
>> the server settings
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure this is a public beta.  Adobe doesnt say so on the web site.
>> I never use beta software - ever since those awful consequences of using
>> the WIndows95 beta all those years ago.   I'd have noticed if the Adobe
>> website said the word "beta"  I feel sure.
>>
>>
>> i'm putting aside the FTP and code insight things  for the moment and I'll
>> come back to that.   It's quite likely the problems I'm having there are
>> because I havent set up the project's 50,000 settings correctly.   (ok
>> slight exaggeration - its only 35,498 settings ) .I doubt they're
>> goign
>> to work properly if i havent got the folder settings right in the project
>> setup.
>>
>> So here's my structure:
>>
>> I have a coldfusion jrun installation, set to all the default locations.
>>  So it's at c:\jrun4
>> I have apache web server running, with a document root
>> at D:\Sites\webroot\htdocs
>>
>> All my site files are on my d: drive   for example i have the following
>> structure for one of my sites:
>>
>> D:\Sites\MySites\atalkingdog.com.2006
>> D:\Sites\MySites\atalkingdog.com.2006\local-logs   (apache's logs )
>> D:\Sites\MySites\atalkingdog.com.2006\Resources(for working files and
>> notes and bits of images etc)
>> D:\Sites\MySites\atalkingdog.com.2006\site\web(the root of the site).
>>
>> The project still isnt set up properly in CFBuilder, because the 'run as'
>> function gives the error:  "selected file is not in the root of the
>> server"
>>   This happens even after I set up a linked folder to the document root.
>>
>> So I guess the problem is that I havent set up the server correctly.
>>  Can
>> someone help me with this please?  or point me towards a tutorial or a
>> blog
>> entry that covers this aspect?   Sadly the majority of the resources I've
>> found just skip over the tricky bits I'm not understanding.
>>
>> Like for example what is the context root of the server?   No one ever
>> explains the term "context root" as distinct from 'server root' and 'web
>> root' and 'document root'.
>>
>> And in any case, I set up my coldfusion server a year ago on a very
>> stressful day for other reasons.  I can't remember what I typed in as the
>> context root at the time.How do i find out now?
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mike Kear
>> Windsor, NSW, Australia
>> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
>> AFP Webworks
>> http://afpwebworks.com
>> ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>>
>>
>> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Actually I did mention the J2EE aspects, the context if if your using an
instance under a context.

I don't use the run as / view so I am guessing, but you did RMB on the
project and select the server to use for this project?

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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> Thank you for persevering with me, Andrew.   I'm glad it's not just me
> being dense.   This is still very confusing.  I suppose once I've set up  a
> couple of projects it might be understandable.  I'd hope so - i have 39 to
> set up!!
>
> Dean, thanks for the reassurance that code insight actually does work.  I
> can make code insight work as far as the application.beanfactory.getbean()
> part - Typing 'application.' will result in getting the insight into the
> coldspring CFCs.   but when i type the bean name, and want the methods
> inside my CFC, it doesnt work.  So I suspect the reason for that is that I
> havent got the server set up properly in the project.Therefore I'm
> putting this aside for now and I'll come back to it once I've worked out
> the server settings
>
>
> I'm not sure this is a public beta.  Adobe doesnt say so on the web site.
> I never use beta software - ever since those awful consequences of using
> the WIndows95 beta all those years ago.   I'd have noticed if the Adobe
> website said the word "beta"  I feel sure.
>
>
> i'm putting aside the FTP and code insight things  for the moment and I'll
> come back to that.   It's quite likely the problems I'm having there are
> because I havent set up the project's 50,000 settings correctly.   (ok
> slight exaggeration - its only 35,498 settings ) .I doubt they're goign
> to work properly if i havent got the folder settings right in the project
> setup.
>
> So here's my structure:
>
> I have a coldfusion jrun installation, set to all the default locations.
>  So it's at c:\jrun4
> I have apache web server running, with a document root
> at D:\Sites\webroot\htdocs
>
> All my site files are on my d: drive   for example i have the following
> structure for one of my sites:
>
> D:\Sites\MySites\atalkingdog.com.2006
> D:\Sites\MySites\atalkingdog.com.2006\local-logs   (apache's logs )
> D:\Sites\MySites\atalkingdog.com.2006\Resources(for working files and
> notes and bits of images etc)
> D:\Sites\MySites\atalkingdog.com.2006\site\web(the root of the site).
>
> The project still isnt set up properly in CFBuilder, because the 'run as'
> function gives the error:  "selected file is not in the root of the server"
>   This happens even after I set up a linked folder to the document root.
>
> So I guess the problem is that I havent set up the server correctly.Can
> someone help me with this please?  or point me towards a tutorial or a blog
> entry that covers this aspect?   Sadly the majority of the resources I've
> found just skip over the tricky bits I'm not understanding.
>
> Like for example what is the context root of the server?   No one ever
> explains the term "context root" as distinct from 'server root' and 'web
> root' and 'document root'.
>
> And in any case, I set up my coldfusion server a year ago on a very
> stressful day for other reasons.  I can't remember what I typed in as the
> context root at the time.How do i find out now?
>
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
> ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>
>
> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

Thank you for persevering with me, Andrew.   I'm glad it's not just me
being dense.   This is still very confusing.  I suppose once I've set up  a
couple of projects it might be understandable.  I'd hope so - i have 39 to
set up!!

Dean, thanks for the reassurance that code insight actually does work.  I
can make code insight work as far as the application.beanfactory.getbean()
part - Typing 'application.' will result in getting the insight into the
coldspring CFCs.   but when i type the bean name, and want the methods
inside my CFC, it doesnt work.  So I suspect the reason for that is that I
havent got the server set up properly in the project.Therefore I'm
putting this aside for now and I'll come back to it once I've worked out
the server settings


I'm not sure this is a public beta.  Adobe doesnt say so on the web site.
I never use beta software - ever since those awful consequences of using
the WIndows95 beta all those years ago.   I'd have noticed if the Adobe
website said the word "beta"  I feel sure.


i'm putting aside the FTP and code insight things  for the moment and I'll
come back to that.   It's quite likely the problems I'm having there are
because I havent set up the project's 50,000 settings correctly.   (ok
slight exaggeration - its only 35,498 settings ) .I doubt they're goign
to work properly if i havent got the folder settings right in the project
setup.

So here's my structure:

I have a coldfusion jrun installation, set to all the default locations.
 So it's at c:\jrun4
I have apache web server running, with a document root
at D:\Sites\webroot\htdocs

All my site files are on my d: drive   for example i have the following
structure for one of my sites:

D:\Sites\MySites\atalkingdog.com.2006
D:\Sites\MySites\atalkingdog.com.2006\local-logs   (apache's logs )
D:\Sites\MySites\atalkingdog.com.2006\Resources(for working files and
notes and bits of images etc)
D:\Sites\MySites\atalkingdog.com.2006\site\web(the root of the site).

The project still isnt set up properly in CFBuilder, because the 'run as'
function gives the error:  "selected file is not in the root of the server"
  This happens even after I set up a linked folder to the document root.

So I guess the problem is that I havent set up the server correctly.Can
someone help me with this please?  or point me towards a tutorial or a blog
entry that covers this aspect?   Sadly the majority of the resources I've
found just skip over the tricky bits I'm not understanding.

Like for example what is the context root of the server?   No one ever
explains the term "context root" as distinct from 'server root' and 'web
root' and 'document root'.

And in any case, I set up my coldfusion server a year ago on a very
stressful day for other reasons.  I can't remember what I typed in as the
context root at the time.How do i find out now?


Cheers
Mike Kear
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Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Dean Lawrence]

Yes, that is correct. Just as you are telling ColdSpring where the CFC is,
you also have to tell CFB.


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> Ok that's good news, Dean. I see code insight as a  big benefit of
> ColdFusion Builder, but so many things are going wrong these days I was
> getting to assume that this was just not going to work for me.
>  (Sometimes I think there's a malicious supreme being looking over me
> saying "nah ah.   you can't do that" )
>
> So when i create a new CFC, I have to enter it into the ColdSpring.XML so
> Coldspring can find it and also into the CFC Mappings in CFBuilder, as you
> described.   Right?
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Dean Lawrence  wrote:
>
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Code insight does work on CFC that have been invoked using ColdSpring,
> you
> > just need to tell CFB where to find the CFC. Just follow these steps:
> >
> > 1. In the project properties, click on the "CFC Mappings" link.
> > 2. Click on the "New" button in the "CFC Variable Mapping" section.
> > 3. Enter usersDAO for the variable name
> > 4. Enter the dotted path from the website root to the CFC (I keep mine in
> > model directory so I would enter model.userDAO)
> > 5. Click "Ok" to save and exit the properties dialog.
> >
> > After you do this, whenever you create a variable named usersDAO, CFB
> will
> > present code insight for any methods found in usersDAO CFC. So your
> example
> > would work fine.
> >
> > usersDAO = application.beanfactory.getbean("usersDAO")
> >
> > Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
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>
>
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

Ok that's good news, Dean. I see code insight as a  big benefit of
ColdFusion Builder, but so many things are going wrong these days I was
getting to assume that this was just not going to work for me.
 (Sometimes I think there's a malicious supreme being looking over me
saying "nah ah.   you can't do that" )

So when i create a new CFC, I have to enter it into the ColdSpring.XML so
Coldspring can find it and also into the CFC Mappings in CFBuilder, as you
described.   Right?

Cheers
Mike Kear



On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Dean Lawrence  wrote:

>
> Mike,
>
> Code insight does work on CFC that have been invoked using ColdSpring, you
> just need to tell CFB where to find the CFC. Just follow these steps:
>
> 1. In the project properties, click on the "CFC Mappings" link.
> 2. Click on the "New" button in the "CFC Variable Mapping" section.
> 3. Enter usersDAO for the variable name
> 4. Enter the dotted path from the website root to the CFC (I keep mine in
> model directory so I would enter model.userDAO)
> 5. Click "Ok" to save and exit the properties dialog.
>
> After you do this, whenever you create a variable named usersDAO, CFB will
> present code insight for any methods found in usersDAO CFC. So your example
> would work fine.
>
> usersDAO = application.beanfactory.getbean("usersDAO")
>
> Cheers
Mike Kear
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Dean Lawrence]

Mike,

Code insight does work on CFC that have been invoked using ColdSpring, you
just need to tell CFB where to find the CFC. Just follow these steps:

1. In the project properties, click on the "CFC Mappings" link.
2. Click on the "New" button in the "CFC Variable Mapping" section.
3. Enter usersDAO for the variable name
4. Enter the dotted path from the website root to the CFC (I keep mine in
model directory so I would enter model.userDAO)
5. Click "Ok" to save and exit the properties dialog.

After you do this, whenever you create a variable named usersDAO, CFB will
present code insight for any methods found in usersDAO CFC. So your example
would work fine.

usersDAO = application.beanfactory.getbean("usersDAO")



On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> So to summarise then,   ColdFusion Builder 3 is a great IDE, except that
> the following important features dont work for me,  and no one has been
> able to show me that they can work for me ...
>
> [A] FTP doesnt work, and no one has yet offered me any way to make it work.
>
> [B] Code insight apparently doesnt work if you use ColdSpring to
> instantiate the CFCs
> [C] You can't use the view in browser function - apparently it's been
> removed from ColdFusion Builder 3.(Unless someone can tell me where to
> find it).
>
> I can't see the point in paying all that cash for something that doesnt
> even do what UltraEdit can do.
>
> Or have it got it all wrong?Where are the fanboys now that were
> berating me for using Dreamweaver all these years? All these functions
> worked in Dreamweaver right up till Adobe decided that ColdFusion wasnt
> worthy of being in their product.
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
> ColdFusion Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>
>
> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Why does FTP not work? You don't actually say why it doesn't work.

Code insight does work, see where I said you may need to add those mappings
to the project.

Yes you can, the view in browser was and still might be a button that is a
short cut to the run as ColdFusion Application, And just because the button
is not there in the public beta, doesn't mean (And I seriously cross my
fingers as I say this) it will not be in the final release.



Regards,
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On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> So to summarise then,   ColdFusion Builder 3 is a great IDE, except that
> the following important features dont work for me,  and no one has been
> able to show me that they can work for me ...
>
> [A] FTP doesnt work, and no one has yet offered me any way to make it work.
>
> [B] Code insight apparently doesnt work if you use ColdSpring to
> instantiate the CFCs
> [C] You can't use the view in browser function - apparently it's been
> removed from ColdFusion Builder 3.(Unless someone can tell me where to
> find it).
>
> I can't see the point in paying all that cash for something that doesnt
> even do what UltraEdit can do.
>
> Or have it got it all wrong?Where are the fanboys now that were
> berating me for using Dreamweaver all these years? All these functions
> worked in Dreamweaver right up till Adobe decided that ColdFusion wasnt
> worthy of being in their product.
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
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>
>
> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Sort off, I used to do it so that when I add a server to CFB I would use
the one connection to one ColdFusion Instance. Then would use that for
every project, but I found an issue where the run as in the editor wouldn't
work..

Long story short, the server settings in CFB are really a joke and I have
never liked them. It is NOT user friendly and I dare say would turn a lot
of people away from CFB. But what do I know...

Anyway when you set up a server, the very first screen is how to connect to
ColdFusion, in here is the hostname or IP address of the server and the
port that the CFIDE will be found on. Unless your running a J2EE version
you can ignore the J2EE settings and further down is the RDS username and
Password to Connect to that ColdFusion server.

When you go to the next section, you are then presented with where and how
ColdFusion is located as well as the document root for the server as well
as the document root. Now the thing that is not clear here is is this what
ColdFusion sees or is this for the the actual project files.

But this is where it is frigging hard to work out and the documentation is
not clear. But what I have done is used the IIS webroot here for the
document root and used the projects location to get things working. But
this is why the run page in CFB has issues for me, as when I setup a server
with the document root to the projects code it works to a degree.


Personally I tried hard in the CFB1 pre-release days to get Adobe to look
at having one server setup, where I could use the projects path as the
document path for ColdFusion. Otherwise in my case I have around 15-20
websites setup for ColdFusion 9 alone and 2 or 3 for ColdFusion 10, which
means 23 servers in CFB pointing to technically one ColdFusion installation.

Hope I didn't loose you, but this section isnt the best for understanding
from a fresh set of eyes.



Regards,
Andrew Scott
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On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> Ah so since i use  http://dev.sitename as my local url,  I should name the
> server connections dev.afpcms and dev.afpwebworks and dev.sitenameis
> that how you mean?
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Andrew Scott  >wrote:
>
> >
> > Actually that was probably a little vague, what I mean is if you need to
> > connect to more than website using the same ColdFusion instance. In CFB
> you
> > will need to add a server connection for each website.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >
> > Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
> ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>
>
> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

Ah so since i use  http://dev.sitename as my local url,  I should name the
server connections dev.afpcms and dev.afpwebworks and dev.sitenameis
that how you mean?

Cheers
Mike Kear



On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
> Actually that was probably a little vague, what I mean is if you need to
> connect to more than website using the same ColdFusion instance. In CFB you
> will need to add a server connection for each website.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>
> Cheers
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Mike,

With the question below, I am guessing as it is still in development there
are some parts of the rewrite that is still coming. But for now the option
you are seeking is the run as. If you RMB on a file or project you can
select run as ColdFusion Application. This has always been very flakey over
the years, main reason is because it is assumed you are writing very
procedural code.

In other words if you begin relying on frameworks etc like ColdBox you run
into issues with this, or if you have a project structure that is has a
wwwroot inside the project. This is something that has annoyed me from the
very first version of CFB, but if you have a very basic structure then the
run as is what you seek. But again you still need to setup the server
connection correctly in CFB as well as attach the project to that defined
server setting.


Regards,
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On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> Does anyone know if it's possible to have the page run inside CF Builder?
>  Or can i stop looking because it's been removed from version 2 to version
> 3?
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
>
>


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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions]

On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Mike K  wrote:

> Or have it got it all wrong?Where are the fanboys now that were
> berating me for using Dreamweaver all these years? All these functions
> worked in Dreamweaver right up till Adobe decided that ColdFusion wasnt
> worthy of being in their product.
>


[Sublime Text Editor]

http://www.sublimetext.com/

DONE!


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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

So to summarise then,   ColdFusion Builder 3 is a great IDE, except that
the following important features dont work for me,  and no one has been
able to show me that they can work for me ...

[A] FTP doesnt work, and no one has yet offered me any way to make it work.

[B] Code insight apparently doesnt work if you use ColdSpring to
instantiate the CFCs
[C] You can't use the view in browser function - apparently it's been
removed from ColdFusion Builder 3.(Unless someone can tell me where to
find it).

I can't see the point in paying all that cash for something that doesnt
even do what UltraEdit can do.

Or have it got it all wrong?Where are the fanboys now that were
berating me for using Dreamweaver all these years? All these functions
worked in Dreamweaver right up till Adobe decided that ColdFusion wasnt
worthy of being in their product.



Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Actually that was probably a little vague, what I mean is if you need to
connect to more than website using the same ColdFusion instance. In CFB you
will need to add a server connection for each website.

Regards,
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On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> Actually I only have ColdFusion set up on my desktop machine (at least as
> far as this issue is concerned anyway) .  It's a high end standalone PC.  I
> dont have multiple ips and server instances.I just set it up as
> localhost/port 80 /  c:\jrun4 No?   I dont recall entering any ip
> addresses but the ip address of this box on my local network is 10.1.1.9
> and that went in somewhere -I think ColdFusion Builder must have picked
> that up by itself.Not sure what happens if i reboot my router and get a
> new ip for that machine.
>
> I'm not sure why I'd have multiple servers, unless i have different
> versions of CF or maybe Railo as well on the box.Is there any other
> reason to have multiple servers?
>
> Does anyone know if it's possible to have the page run inside CF Builder?
>  Or can i stop looking because it's been removed from version 2 to version
> 3?
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Andrew Scott  >wrote:
>
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > There are a few things that you haven't said if you have setup or not, I
> > have never liked the way CFB defines things and where it is all over the
> > place. Anyway lets start with a few basics.
> >
> > 1) Server setup.
> >
> > When setting up a server in CFB you need to do this for each and every IP
> > and Port. In here you tell it where your website files are located and
> > where CF is located, as well as other things. That part is important for
> > what your looking for.
> >
> > 2) Project Setup
> >
> > It sounds like you have the basics of the project setup. But you need to
> > tell the project which server your using, which is done by RMB on the
> > project and going to properies, which from here you can go into the
> > settings and select which server the project is to use.
> >
> > Also in the project settings in the above step, you also can tell it any
> > mappings you need the IDE to know about, so in the example of custom
> > mappings they can also be added at the above step.
> >
> > Hopefully that can get you going some more, if not ping me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Scott
> > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> > Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Mike K  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Please - I dont want this to degenerate into a 'my ide is better than
> > your
> > > ide'. I'm not going back to CF Studio.  I dont REALLY even want to
> > > leave Dreamweaver - i dont have the time to learn a new IDE now but I'm
> > > forced to because Adobe wont allow sensible use of Dreamweaver for
> > > ColdFusion even though they  have every other technology known to man
> in
> > > there.
> > >
> > > Thank you Will.   Actually I'm not using file view - I'm still learning
> > the
> > > terminology for CFBuilder 3.  I have made a project for one of my
> > existing
> > > sites.  I can see all my files there on my dev machine.  But I can't
> make
> > > it link to the remote (production) server so I can upload files.But
> > > when I do try to export using the FTP setup,  i get an error message
> that
> > > says "/AFPCMS6p2/wwwroot  is already mapped to
> > > org.eclipse.team.ftp.FTPDeploymentProvider"(the /AFPCMS6p2/root
> > is
> > > the root folder of my site on my dev machine)   I have no idea what the
> > > org.eclipse.team.ftp.FTPDeploymentProvider is referring to.   Can't
> find
> > a
> > > reference to that anywhere. And when I cancel out of that after
> > getting
> > > the error,  i get another message saying "should the deployment mapping
> > > specified in the wizard be remembered?  Yes/No".   If i select 'no' i
> > just
> > > get the message back again.  It will only go away if i answer 'yes'.
> > >
> > > Thank you Dean.   You're very helpful too. I get the project concept.
> >  That
> > > makes sense.   Soon as i created a second project I could see how that
> > > aspect works.  What I dont get is how CF Builder will introspect CFCs
> > > instantiated by Coldspring.   I call those in my pages with something
> > like:
> > >
> > > usersDAO = application.beanfactory.getbean("usersDAO")
> > >
> > > but when I do, there is no sign of any kind of hinting or introspection
> > or
> > > code insight.It just stares at me.  I put the period after the
> string
> > > above, hoping that i'd see a drop down list of the available methods as
> > it
> > > does in the video, but no such luck.
> > >
> > > So right now,  what we're looking at is a very expensive text editor
> that
> > > lots of other people say has the potential to save me a lot of work and
> > > mak

Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

Actually I only have ColdFusion set up on my desktop machine (at least as
far as this issue is concerned anyway) .  It's a high end standalone PC.  I
dont have multiple ips and server instances.I just set it up as
localhost/port 80 /  c:\jrun4 No?   I dont recall entering any ip
addresses but the ip address of this box on my local network is 10.1.1.9
and that went in somewhere -I think ColdFusion Builder must have picked
that up by itself.Not sure what happens if i reboot my router and get a
new ip for that machine.

I'm not sure why I'd have multiple servers, unless i have different
versions of CF or maybe Railo as well on the box.Is there any other
reason to have multiple servers?

Does anyone know if it's possible to have the page run inside CF Builder?
 Or can i stop looking because it's been removed from version 2 to version
3?

Cheers
Mike Kear





On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
> Mike,
>
> There are a few things that you haven't said if you have setup or not, I
> have never liked the way CFB defines things and where it is all over the
> place. Anyway lets start with a few basics.
>
> 1) Server setup.
>
> When setting up a server in CFB you need to do this for each and every IP
> and Port. In here you tell it where your website files are located and
> where CF is located, as well as other things. That part is important for
> what your looking for.
>
> 2) Project Setup
>
> It sounds like you have the basics of the project setup. But you need to
> tell the project which server your using, which is done by RMB on the
> project and going to properies, which from here you can go into the
> settings and select which server the project is to use.
>
> Also in the project settings in the above step, you also can tell it any
> mappings you need the IDE to know about, so in the example of custom
> mappings they can also be added at the above step.
>
> Hopefully that can get you going some more, if not ping me.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott
> WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
> Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Mike K  wrote:
>
> >
> > Please - I dont want this to degenerate into a 'my ide is better than
> your
> > ide'. I'm not going back to CF Studio.  I dont REALLY even want to
> > leave Dreamweaver - i dont have the time to learn a new IDE now but I'm
> > forced to because Adobe wont allow sensible use of Dreamweaver for
> > ColdFusion even though they  have every other technology known to man in
> > there.
> >
> > Thank you Will.   Actually I'm not using file view - I'm still learning
> the
> > terminology for CFBuilder 3.  I have made a project for one of my
> existing
> > sites.  I can see all my files there on my dev machine.  But I can't make
> > it link to the remote (production) server so I can upload files.But
> > when I do try to export using the FTP setup,  i get an error message that
> > says "/AFPCMS6p2/wwwroot  is already mapped to
> > org.eclipse.team.ftp.FTPDeploymentProvider"(the /AFPCMS6p2/root
> is
> > the root folder of my site on my dev machine)   I have no idea what the
> > org.eclipse.team.ftp.FTPDeploymentProvider is referring to.   Can't find
> a
> > reference to that anywhere. And when I cancel out of that after
> getting
> > the error,  i get another message saying "should the deployment mapping
> > specified in the wizard be remembered?  Yes/No".   If i select 'no' i
> just
> > get the message back again.  It will only go away if i answer 'yes'.
> >
> > Thank you Dean.   You're very helpful too. I get the project concept.
>  That
> > makes sense.   Soon as i created a second project I could see how that
> > aspect works.  What I dont get is how CF Builder will introspect CFCs
> > instantiated by Coldspring.   I call those in my pages with something
> like:
> >
> > usersDAO = application.beanfactory.getbean("usersDAO")
> >
> > but when I do, there is no sign of any kind of hinting or introspection
> or
> > code insight.It just stares at me.  I put the period after the string
> > above, hoping that i'd see a drop down list of the available methods as
> it
> > does in the video, but no such luck.
> >
> > So right now,  what we're looking at is a very expensive text editor that
> > lots of other people say has the potential to save me a lot of work and
> > make things happen faster.  But which isnt showing me any such benefits.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:00 AM, <> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >  >>Does anyone actually use CF Builder for multiple projects?
> > >
> > > Nothing beats good old CF Studio ! ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Andrew Scott]

Mike,

There are a few things that you haven't said if you have setup or not, I
have never liked the way CFB defines things and where it is all over the
place. Anyway lets start with a few basics.

1) Server setup.

When setting up a server in CFB you need to do this for each and every IP
and Port. In here you tell it where your website files are located and
where CF is located, as well as other things. That part is important for
what your looking for.

2) Project Setup

It sounds like you have the basics of the project setup. But you need to
tell the project which server your using, which is done by RMB on the
project and going to properies, which from here you can go into the
settings and select which server the project is to use.

Also in the project settings in the above step, you also can tell it any
mappings you need the IDE to know about, so in the example of custom
mappings they can also be added at the above step.

Hopefully that can get you going some more, if not ping me.




Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411



On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> Please - I dont want this to degenerate into a 'my ide is better than your
> ide'. I'm not going back to CF Studio.  I dont REALLY even want to
> leave Dreamweaver - i dont have the time to learn a new IDE now but I'm
> forced to because Adobe wont allow sensible use of Dreamweaver for
> ColdFusion even though they  have every other technology known to man in
> there.
>
> Thank you Will.   Actually I'm not using file view - I'm still learning the
> terminology for CFBuilder 3.  I have made a project for one of my existing
> sites.  I can see all my files there on my dev machine.  But I can't make
> it link to the remote (production) server so I can upload files.But
> when I do try to export using the FTP setup,  i get an error message that
> says "/AFPCMS6p2/wwwroot  is already mapped to
> org.eclipse.team.ftp.FTPDeploymentProvider"(the /AFPCMS6p2/root is
> the root folder of my site on my dev machine)   I have no idea what the
> org.eclipse.team.ftp.FTPDeploymentProvider is referring to.   Can't find a
> reference to that anywhere. And when I cancel out of that after getting
> the error,  i get another message saying "should the deployment mapping
> specified in the wizard be remembered?  Yes/No".   If i select 'no' i just
> get the message back again.  It will only go away if i answer 'yes'.
>
> Thank you Dean.   You're very helpful too. I get the project concept.  That
> makes sense.   Soon as i created a second project I could see how that
> aspect works.  What I dont get is how CF Builder will introspect CFCs
> instantiated by Coldspring.   I call those in my pages with something like:
>
> usersDAO = application.beanfactory.getbean("usersDAO")
>
> but when I do, there is no sign of any kind of hinting or introspection or
> code insight.It just stares at me.  I put the period after the string
> above, hoping that i'd see a drop down list of the available methods as it
> does in the video, but no such luck.
>
> So right now,  what we're looking at is a very expensive text editor that
> lots of other people say has the potential to save me a lot of work and
> make things happen faster.  But which isnt showing me any such benefits.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:00 AM, <> wrote:
>
> >
> >  >>Does anyone actually use CF Builder for multiple projects?
> >
> > Nothing beats good old CF Studio ! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

Please - I dont want this to degenerate into a 'my ide is better than your
ide'. I'm not going back to CF Studio.  I dont REALLY even want to
leave Dreamweaver - i dont have the time to learn a new IDE now but I'm
forced to because Adobe wont allow sensible use of Dreamweaver for
ColdFusion even though they  have every other technology known to man in
there.

Thank you Will.   Actually I'm not using file view - I'm still learning the
terminology for CFBuilder 3.  I have made a project for one of my existing
sites.  I can see all my files there on my dev machine.  But I can't make
it link to the remote (production) server so I can upload files.But
when I do try to export using the FTP setup,  i get an error message that
says "/AFPCMS6p2/wwwroot  is already mapped to
org.eclipse.team.ftp.FTPDeploymentProvider"(the /AFPCMS6p2/root is
the root folder of my site on my dev machine)   I have no idea what the
org.eclipse.team.ftp.FTPDeploymentProvider is referring to.   Can't find a
reference to that anywhere. And when I cancel out of that after getting
the error,  i get another message saying "should the deployment mapping
specified in the wizard be remembered?  Yes/No".   If i select 'no' i just
get the message back again.  It will only go away if i answer 'yes'.

Thank you Dean.   You're very helpful too. I get the project concept.  That
makes sense.   Soon as i created a second project I could see how that
aspect works.  What I dont get is how CF Builder will introspect CFCs
instantiated by Coldspring.   I call those in my pages with something like:

usersDAO = application.beanfactory.getbean("usersDAO")

but when I do, there is no sign of any kind of hinting or introspection or
code insight.It just stares at me.  I put the period after the string
above, hoping that i'd see a drop down list of the available methods as it
does in the video, but no such luck.

So right now,  what we're looking at is a very expensive text editor that
lots of other people say has the potential to save me a lot of work and
make things happen faster.  But which isnt showing me any such benefits.




On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:00 AM, <> wrote:

>
>  >>Does anyone actually use CF Builder for multiple projects?
>
> Nothing beats good old CF Studio ! ;-)
>
>
> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Claude Schnéegans]

 >>Does anyone actually use CF Builder for multiple projects?

Nothing beats good old CF Studio ! ;-)


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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Wil Genovese]

I have about 20 client “Projects” is CF Builder. 

You need to create Projects and basically NEVER use the File view.  Use the 
Navigator pane and Create New ColdFusion Project. Point it as your code and you 
should be good to go from there. Eclipse is the base platform here and 
everything is Project based. Once you have that setup everything else should 
start working with minimal config. 






Wil Genovese
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Systems Administrator
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On Apr 30, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Mike K  wrote:

> 
> Does anyone actually use CF Builder for multiple projects?
> 
> Everything I've seen so far seems to assume I'm working for a company with
> one web site.  There's nothing I've found so far showing how to set it up
> for multiple web sites.
> 
> I thought I'd done it right, but apparently not, because I can't preview
> any pages.  I've seen a video on the Adobe web site about using CF Builder
> for Dreamweaver users.The guy just clicks a tab at the bottom of the
> screen called "Safari" and sees the page run right in the window.I
> can't find that tab or any menu item or link where I can do the same thing.
> 
> 
> So after messing about with this damn thing for 4 hours now, I've got
> nowhere.Can't preview a page.  Can't upload anything to the server.
> It's just an expensive text editor so far.
> 
> I can't use code insight either because unless I've missed something, it
> doesnt insight into CFCs instantiated with Coldspring.
> 
> Has anyone managed to make CFBuilder introspect CFCs instantiated with
> ColdSpring?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
> ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
> 
> 
> 

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Re: More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Dean Lawrence]

Mike,

I user CFB / Eclipse for rmultiple clients all the time. You simply create
a new project (File --> New --> ColdFusion Project) for each site that you
are working on. In the navigator pane, you will see each project in a
separate folder. I then create a working set under the filter drop-down
(the little down arrow in the top right of the navigation pane) for each
project. When I select a working set, it hides all my other project folders.

For CFC insight, you simply need to create a CFC Variable Mapping in the
projects properties. Just right click on the project name and choose
properties. From there, click on the CFC Mappings link and create the
mapping. Once you have done so, you will get code insight for your CFC even
if it is instantiated with ColdSpring.

As for the preview button, I know I used to have it in CFB 2, but I don't
see it in CFB 3. However, I have not created a server profile and assigned
it to a project, that may make the difference. However, even when I had it
in CFB 2, I never used it because I typically use a front-end controller,
either a a full framework or a slimmed down one that I created, so the
preview button didn't do me any good when working on an event action page
since the page would error if not called through the controller. So I
always just keep a browser open and tab back and forth between the browser
and the editor.

Hope this helps.


On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Mike K  wrote:

>
> Does anyone actually use CF Builder for multiple projects?
>
> Everything I've seen so far seems to assume I'm working for a company with
> one web site.  There's nothing I've found so far showing how to set it up
> for multiple web sites.
>
> I thought I'd done it right, but apparently not, because I can't preview
> any pages.  I've seen a video on the Adobe web site about using CF Builder
> for Dreamweaver users.The guy just clicks a tab at the bottom of the
> screen called "Safari" and sees the page run right in the window.I
> can't find that tab or any menu item or link where I can do the same thing.
>
>
> So after messing about with this damn thing for 4 hours now, I've got
> nowhere.Can't preview a page.  Can't upload anything to the server.
> It's just an expensive text editor so far.
>
> I can't use code insight either because unless I've missed something, it
> doesnt insight into CFCs instantiated with Coldspring.
>
> Has anyone managed to make CFBuilder introspect CFCs instantiated with
> ColdSpring?
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
> ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>
>
> 

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More CFBuilder 3 frustration

[Mike K]

Does anyone actually use CF Builder for multiple projects?

Everything I've seen so far seems to assume I'm working for a company with
one web site.  There's nothing I've found so far showing how to set it up
for multiple web sites.

I thought I'd done it right, but apparently not, because I can't preview
any pages.  I've seen a video on the Adobe web site about using CF Builder
for Dreamweaver users.The guy just clicks a tab at the bottom of the
screen called "Safari" and sees the page run right in the window.I
can't find that tab or any menu item or link where I can do the same thing.


So after messing about with this damn thing for 4 hours now, I've got
nowhere.Can't preview a page.  Can't upload anything to the server.
It's just an expensive text editor so far.

I can't use code insight either because unless I've missed something, it
doesnt insight into CFCs instantiated with Coldspring.

Has anyone managed to make CFBuilder introspect CFCs instantiated with
ColdSpring?


-- 
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month


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