RE: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update
Rick, Perhaps you could clarify how you make sure you call a 64bit dll first to avoid this issue. Russ -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:rick.r...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 December 2010 22:06 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update Alright, thanks to the kind folks at SupportObjective (www.justcf.com), we figured out this little tidbid. Apparently, Coldfusion's .NET integration when installed on Win7 64 bit can call both 64 bit and 32 bit DLLs. However, it creates the dotnet proxy DLL dynamically when first called - and we were calling a system DLL from the 32 bit framework. So, after stopping the services, deleting all of the cached jar files in the dotnetproxy folder as well as the dotnetcoreproxy.jar in the same instance, and then making sure to FIRST call a DLL from the 64 bit framework... then everything is fine - including calling DLLs from the 32 bit .NET framework Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339903 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Perhaps you could clarify how you make sure you call a 64bit dll first to avoid this issue. Gladly! the assembly / DLL path is different... C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\* vs C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\* rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339904 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update
I have never used any of the .net features in CF, is this a CF setting, or is it simply asp.net settings in IIS you had to change? Russ -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:rick.r...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 December 2010 13:18 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Perhaps you could clarify how you make sure you call a 64bit dll first to avoid this issue. Gladly! the assembly / DLL path is different... C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\* vs C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\* rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339906 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I have never used any of the .net features in CF, is this a CF setting, or is it simply asp.net settings in IIS you had to change? No... See the example here http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.0/CFMLRef/WSc3ff6d0ea77859461172e0811cbec22c24-789c.html Though, in the example, they don't reference a specific DLL because they're using one that is supposed to be included by default, courtesy of the dotnext_coreproxy.config file I think. You actually reference the specific DLL you want to include with the assembly attribute of the cfobject tag. then, you can call the methods just like you would a java class. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339922 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update
Alright, thanks to the kind folks at SupportObjective (www.justcf.com), we figured out this little tidbid. Apparently, Coldfusion's .NET integration when installed on Win7 64 bit can call both 64 bit and 32 bit DLLs. However, it creates the dotnet proxy DLL dynamically when first called - and we were calling a system DLL from the 32 bit framework. So, after stopping the services, deleting all of the cached jar files in the dotnetproxy folder as well as the dotnetcoreproxy.jar in the same instance, and then making sure to FIRST call a DLL from the 64 bit framework... then everything is fine - including calling DLLs from the 32 bit .NET framework Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339898 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update
Rick, That is brilliant... it'll make a nice addition to my .NET integration posts eh... thanks! Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG (402) 408-3733 ext 105 Skype: markakruger www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:rick.r...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 4:06 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update Alright, thanks to the kind folks at SupportObjective (www.justcf.com), we figured out this little tidbid. Apparently, Coldfusion's .NET integration when installed on Win7 64 bit can call both 64 bit and 32 bit DLLs. However, it creates the dotnet proxy DLL dynamically when first called - and we were calling a system DLL from the 32 bit framework. So, after stopping the services, deleting all of the cached jar files in the dotnetproxy folder as well as the dotnetcoreproxy.jar in the same instance, and then making sure to FIRST call a DLL from the 64 bit framework... then everything is fine - including calling DLLs from the 32 bit .NET framework Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339899 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update
I don't know why, but this only worked ONCE after the reboot and I can't get it to work anymore. I've even updated my version of the dot net framework on the server.. I was using .NET 2 and now I'm using .NET 4 ... I've rebooted, re-installed the dot net service over and over again, deleted cached files... etc... argh! On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote: A reboot resolved this problem for me as well On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Stefan Richter ste...@flashcomguru.comwrote: E so I tried rebooting the server... now getting a blank page which is much, much better. Will keep you posted but it seems ok now. So by blank page you mean you're successfully claling .NET dll's now? I'm having the exact same issue... we only use one .NET call, to create virtual directories in IIS automatically... but it quit working... Pete Freitag's blog entry helped me figure out that I needed to copy the neo-dotnetproxy.config file to each instance, which got me to the error you were seeing. I got a little more error information from the error.log in C:\Coldfusion9DotNetService (but it really isn't helpful to me) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339819 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update
A reboot resolved this problem for me as well On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Rick Root rick.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Stefan Richter ste...@flashcomguru.comwrote: E so I tried rebooting the server... now getting a blank page which is much, much better. Will keep you posted but it seems ok now. So by blank page you mean you're successfully claling .NET dll's now? I'm having the exact same issue... we only use one .NET call, to create virtual directories in IIS automatically... but it quit working... Pete Freitag's blog entry helped me figure out that I needed to copy the neo-dotnetproxy.config file to each instance, which got me to the error you were seeing. I got a little more error information from the error.log in C:\Coldfusion9DotNetService (but it really isn't helpful to me) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339798 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Stefan Richter ste...@flashcomguru.comwrote: E so I tried rebooting the server... now getting a blank page which is much, much better. Will keep you posted but it seems ok now. So by blank page you mean you're successfully claling .NET dll's now? I'm having the exact same issue... we only use one .NET call, to create virtual directories in IIS automatically... but it quit working... Pete Freitag's blog entry helped me figure out that I needed to copy the neo-dotnetproxy.config file to each instance, which got me to the error you were seeing. I got a little more error information from the error.log in C:\Coldfusion9DotNetService (but it really isn't helpful to me) Rick .NET-side stack trace = .NET-side stack trace: at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ExceptionFactory.throwException(JNBException e, Hashtable objMap) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ClassInfo..ctor(String name) at com.jnbridge.jnbcore.ObjectHelper.getSubstituteProxy(String returnedType, Type expectedType) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyClass.getSubstituteProxy(String className) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyClass.getType(String className, Boolean noSubstituteProxy) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyClass.isThreadTrue(String className, Hashtable threadTrue, ClassInfo ci) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyClass.generateProxyClassMembers(ModuleBuilder module, ClassInfo ci, Boolean verbose, Boolean noSupporting, Boolean isJSharpCompatible, ReferenceValueData refValData, Hashtable threadTrue, Boolean mapEnums) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyAssembly.addClass(ClassInfo ci) at com.jnbridge.jnbcore.ObjectHelper.getSubstituteProxy(String returnedType, Type expectedType) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyClass.getSubstituteProxy(String className) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyClass.getType(String className, Boolean noSubstituteProxy) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyField.genClassLiteral(TypeBuilder theClass, ReferenceValueOptions rvo) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyClass.generateProxyClassMembers(ModuleBuilder module, ClassInfo ci, Boolean verbose, Boolean noSupporting, Boolean isJSharpCompatible, ReferenceValueData refValData, Hashtable threadTrue, Boolean mapEnums) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyAssembly.addClass(ClassInfo ci) at com.jnbridge.jnbcore.ObjectHelper.getSubstituteProxy(String returnedType, Type expectedType) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyClass.getSubstituteProxy(String className) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyClass.getType(String className, Boolean noSubstituteProxy) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyClass.isThreadTrue(String className, Hashtable threadTrue, ClassInfo ci) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyClass.generateProxyClassMembers(ModuleBuilder module, ClassInfo ci, Boolean verbose, Boolean noSupporting, Boolean isJSharpCompatible, ReferenceValueData refValData, Hashtable threadTrue, Boolean mapEnums) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ProxyAssembly.addClass(ClassInfo ci) at com.jnbridge.jnbcore.ObjectHelper.getSubstituteProxy(String returnedType, Type expectedType) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ExceptionFactory.throwException(JNBException e, Hashtable objMap) at com.jnbridge.jnbcore.ProxyJarFile.close() at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.JNBProxy.generateJavaProxies(String[] classes, Options options, AppDomain dotNetAssembliesAppDomain, Hashtable refValueMap, Hashtable threadTrue) at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.JNBProxy.Main(String[] args) Java-side stack trace: com.jnbridge.jnbcore.ClassNotFoundException: java.lang.Class+EnclosingMethodInfo at com.jnbridge.jnbproxy.ClassInfo.init(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.GeneratedConstructorAccessor60.newInstance(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.java:27) at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:513) at com.jnbridge.jnbcore.JNBDispatcher.construct(Unknown Source) at com.jnbridge.jnbcore.JNBDispatcher.call(Unknown Source) at com.jnbridge.jnbcore.server.b.d.a(Unknown Source) at com.jnbridge.jnbcore.server.b.c.p(Unknown Source) at com.jnbridge.jnbcore.server.b.c.run(Unknown Source) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339790 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: .NET errors after CF 9.01 Update
E so I tried rebooting the server... now getting a blank page which is much, much better. Will keep you posted but it seems ok now. S ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339685 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: .NET DLL driving me nuts....
We've decided to pursue another solution as the CF/.NET integrations proves to be too time consuming. Thanks for you answers. You'll need to restart CF and the .NET service. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software Sent from my Droid On Sep 21, 2010 3:30 AM, Michael Christensen mich...@strib.dk wrote: We were able to determine, that the calls to sample functions that don't work on our development server, does in fact work on our pre-production server. So far so good I guess, but now I am facing a new problem - it seems that CF caches the functions in the DLLs, so that it doesn't reflect the changes when I change a function and (re)call it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337305 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: .NET DLL driving me nuts....
We were able to determine, that the calls to sample functions that don't work
on our development server, does in fact work on our pre-production server.
So far so good I guess, but now I am facing a new problem - it seems that CF
caches the functions in the DLLs, so that it doesn't reflect the changes when I
change a function and (re)call it.
Can you elaborate on goes awry ie What is the actual error message?
Example:
cfset obj = createObject(.net, MyLibrary.TestClass, ExpandPath('.
/MyLibrary.dll')) /
cfset result = obj.getValue(Foo) /
cfoutput#result#/cfoutput
TestClass.cs
=
using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Text;
namespace MyLibrary
{
public class TestClass
{
public string getValue(string Value)
{
return You entered: + Value;
}
}
}
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Re: .NET DLL driving me nuts....
You'll need to restart CF and the .NET service.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
Sent from my Droid
On Sep 21, 2010 3:30 AM, Michael Christensen mich...@strib.dk wrote:
We were able to determine, that the calls to sample functions that don't
work on our development server, does in fact work on our pre-production
server.
So far so good I guess, but now I am facing a new problem - it seems that
CF caches the functions in the DLLs, so that it doesn't reflect the changes
when I change a function and (re)call it.
Can you elaborate on goes awry ie What is the actual error message?
Example:
cfset obj = createObject(.net, MyLibrary.TestClass, ExpandPath('.
/MyLibrary.dll')) /
cfset result = obj.getValue(Foo) /
cfoutput#result#/cfoutput
TestClass.cs
=
using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Text;
namespace MyLibrary
{
public class TestClass
{
public string getValue(string Value)
{
return You entered: + Value;
}
}
}
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RE: .NET DLL driving me nuts....
Are you using a 32 bit or 64bit ColdFusion version, and how are you compiling this in the VS IDE? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Michael Christensen [mailto:mich...@strib.dk] Sent: Monday, 20 September 2010 5:48 PM To: cf-talk Subject: .NET DLL driving me nuts Could anyone provide a working example of; 1) a working C# DLL file (the source obviously) that returns a string (just make it really, really simple) 2) a cfml that uses said DLL file and outputs the returned string I'm about at the end of my wits on this one... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337227 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: .NET DLL driving me nuts....
The thing is, that I can initiate the object, but as soon as I call any methods on it, everything goes awry. Are you using a 32 bit or 64bit ColdFusion version, and how are you compiling this in the VS IDE? Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Could anyone provide a working example of; 1) a working C# DLL file (the source obviously) that returns a string (just make it really, really simple) 2) a cfml that uses said DLL file and outputs the returned string I'm about at the end of my wits on this one... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:337228 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: .NET DLL driving me nuts....
Can you elaborate on goes awry ie What is the actual error message?
Example:
cfset obj = createObject(.net, MyLibrary.TestClass,
ExpandPath('./MyLibrary.dll')) /
cfset result = obj.getValue(Foo) /
cfoutput#result#/cfoutput
TestClass.cs
=
using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Text;
namespace MyLibrary
{
public class TestClass
{
public string getValue(string Value)
{
return You entered: + Value;
}
}
}
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Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Another opportunity to expand your skill-set then. :) As long as you're willing to learn, the basics of Linux (etc) are not actually that hard. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325496 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Try both, see which one you prefer. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325366 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
My suggestion would be .Net. If you go the c# route the code is pretty much identical to java. I'm not sure what your local market is like but on most job boards I have been on, the ASP.Net jobs seem to outnumber the java ones. In order to learn ASP.Net try taking one of the CF Apps you've been working on and convert it to ASP.Net. Duane -Original Message- From: Chris Johnson [mailto:u...@askugg.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:19 AM To: cf-talk Subject: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer With the economy and market as it is, and with current employment's stability starting to wiggle, I'm being forced to investigate other options. I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Not intending to abandon CF at all, but this is a time where flexibility will be key and I'd like to be able to spread a wider net should job seeking become a factor again. Through a couple early searches, there are a few opportunities that list CF as a *PLUS*, while the core competency is either .NET or JAVA. I've looked into .NET a bit, but it seems that for someone with no access to anything on a large scale (Sharepoint, etc.), there's only so far you can go learning .NET in your basement. There's also the factor of .NET not being ONE language, but a combo of several techs rolled into one. I'm curious if .NET, while a web development language, might just look easier to the inexperienced eye? JAVA is a different beast altogether, but seeing as I've been making use of some JAVA in CF7 and CF8 a little here and there, it seems like it would be somewhat familiar at least in the critical getting started phase. Thoughts? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325367 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
My suggestion would be .Net. If you go the c# route the code is pretty much identical to java. Uh... and if he goes the Java route the code is pretty much identical to C#. Although I wouldn't actually use identical; they're very similar but there *are* differences. Again, the best thing is to try *both* and find which one fits him best. Subjective opinions on which one is better aren't a good thing to base a potential career move on. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325373 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Sorry I was under the impression Chris was looking for opinions. -Original Message- From: Peter Boughton [mailto:bought...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:06 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer My suggestion would be .Net. If you go the c# route the code is pretty much identical to java. Uh... and if he goes the Java route the code is pretty much identical to C#. Although I wouldn't actually use identical; they're very similar but there *are* differences. Again, the best thing is to try *both* and find which one fits him best. Subjective opinions on which one is better aren't a good thing to base a potential career move on. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325374 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Sorry I was under the impression Chris was looking for opinions. Well he was, but mine is that he probably shouldn't be - not unless he can verify that it is an objective and balanced opinion from someone with good experience of both. (Not wanting any of this to come across as offensive/etc) Your suggestion of converting an existing app (or part of one) as part of learning a language is a good one, but the rest of your post just seems a bit 'flimsy' to me. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325376 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Both technologies would be substantial shifts from what a CF programmer is used to. Both .NET and Java benefit from having a college education in engineering / computer science, or the equivalent years of experience, since both are have high learning curves. Another technology to learn is Adobe Flex, which is a fantastic emerging technology that you would be able to use to complement existing CF Web sites while learning. Adobe Flex also involves a substantial shift in thinking, but you would be able to reuse your CF knowledge to power the database interactions, since Adobe Flex is only the UI layer. -Mike Chabot On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Chris Johnsonu...@askugg.com wrote: With the economy and market as it is, and with current employment's stability starting to wiggle, I'm being forced to investigate other options. I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Not intending to abandon CF at all, but this is a time where flexibility will be key and I'd like to be able to spread a wider net should job seeking become a factor again. Through a couple early searches, there are a few opportunities that list CF as a *PLUS*, while the core competency is either .NET or JAVA. I've looked into .NET a bit, but it seems that for someone with no access to anything on a large scale (Sharepoint, etc.), there's only so far you can go learning .NET in your basement. There's also the factor of .NET not being ONE language, but a combo of several techs rolled into one. I'm curious if .NET, while a web development language, might just look easier to the inexperienced eye? JAVA is a different beast altogether, but seeing as I've been making use of some JAVA in CF7 and CF8 a little here and there, it seems like it would be somewhat familiar at least in the critical getting started phase. Thoughts? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325377 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
One advantage of choosing Java will be a deeper understanding of CF - increasing your value as a CF developer at well as giving you a second language. Dominic 2009/8/12 Chris Johnson u...@askugg.com With the economy and market as it is, and with current employment's stability starting to wiggle, I'm being forced to investigate other options. I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Not intending to abandon CF at all, but this is a time where flexibility will be key and I'd like to be able to spread a wider net should job seeking become a factor again. Through a couple early searches, there are a few opportunities that list CF as a *PLUS*, while the core competency is either .NET or JAVA. I've looked into .NET a bit, but it seems that for someone with no access to anything on a large scale (Sharepoint, etc.), there's only so far you can go learning .NET in your basement. There's also the factor of .NET not being ONE language, but a combo of several techs rolled into one. I'm curious if .NET, while a web development language, might just look easier to the inexperienced eye? JAVA is a different beast altogether, but seeing as I've been making use of some JAVA in CF7 and CF8 a little here and there, it seems like it would be somewhat familiar at least in the critical getting started phase. Thoughts? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325378 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
+1 to what Peter Said. I recently converted a VB.net app to CF and I must say that I really took a shine to it. MS has an amazing tool set (as does Java for that matter) and I got comfortable in the environment rather quickly. ASP.net reminded me a lot of CF in some respects. The Code Behind aspect reminded me a lot of of using cfms with cfcs. But speaking from a job market prospect Flex is a hot commodity and dove tails very nicely with CF. my $0.02 and worth every penny. G! On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Peter Boughton bought...@gmail.com wrote: Try both, see which one you prefer. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325379 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Lots of jobs doesn't = good paying jobs. Markets flooded with .net php devers don't pay crap and why should they when they have plenty of people who will take next to nothing. I was talking the other day with the head of a php shop and I think he sh*t himself when he looked through a few cfm jobs online and saw what they pay compared to php ones. 40-50k for av php and 80K+ for cfm ones. I'd go with java since there aren't as many out there to drive the price down. There is no way in hell I would take half the money and have to work with windows.. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325380 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325382 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325384 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swainw...@hothorse.com wrote: AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325385 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
If you are out of a job, Adobe is (or at least was) giving away flex builder for free. It's for learning purposes only so you can't actually use it for anything work related. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325386 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. First and foremost, a lot of the answer depends on the other language(s) you are familiar and comfortable with. If you cut your teeth on CF alone I don't know that there is much of a point of reference in any one specific direction. I had to make the shift into the .NET world and can share my thoughts on that process. Because I grew up programming in BASIC (CoCo and qBasic) and had done relatively little in C++ / JAVA, I went with the VB.NET code-behind. C# has a syntax and flow that is much like Java, as others have said. Your observation that NET isn't a *single* language is correct. Even when working with ASP.NET you're dealing with two different languages that simply share objects. In the end it all compiles to bit code and runs on the framework the same way. The biggest thing I had to learn was the concept of events. Until I had my brain wrapped around the concept that every page submits to itself by default and don't have to have things redefined for them I struggled badly. Hatton ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325387 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Flex SDK : http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/ http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/Rob On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote: Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swainw...@hothorse.com wrote: AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325388 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
The SDK includes a compiler. You have to run it through the command line though. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:48 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swainw...@hothorse.com wrote: AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325389 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to find a developers version anywhere. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Jake Churchillj...@cfwebtools.com wrote: If you are out of a job, Adobe is (or at least was) giving away flex builder for free. It's for learning purposes only so you can't actually use it for anything work related. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325390 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Here's a link to what and how you can get flex free from Adobe: https://freeriatools.adobe.com/ Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Rob Parkhill [mailto:robert.parkh...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:52 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer Flex SDK : http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/ http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/Rob On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote: Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swainw...@hothorse.com wrote: AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325391 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Ah. Didn't know it had a compiler. :) Thanks. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jake Churchillj...@cfwebtools.com wrote: The SDK includes a compiler. You have to run it through the command line though. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:48 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swainw...@hothorse.com wrote: AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325392 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=flex3sdk http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=flex3sdktakes you to the SDK download. And yes, you have to compile through the command line. Rob On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote: If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to find a developers version anywhere. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Jake Churchillj...@cfwebtools.com wrote: If you are out of a job, Adobe is (or at least was) giving away flex builder for free. It's for learning purposes only so you can't actually use it for anything work related. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325393 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
AWSOME! Thank you. :) On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Jake Churchillj...@cfwebtools.com wrote: Here's a link to what and how you can get flex free from Adobe: https://freeriatools.adobe.com/ Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Rob Parkhill [mailto:robert.parkh...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:52 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer Flex SDK : http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/ http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/Rob On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote: Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swainw...@hothorse.com wrote: AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325394 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to find a developers version anywhere. It's the first link on this page: http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/flexdownloads/ But I would really recommend that you start with Flex Builder. It's much easier, and it won't take you 60 days to figure out whether you're interested or not. You're much more likely to actually learn Flex with Flex Builder. After that, you may actually know enough about Flex to not use Flex Builder if you choose. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325395 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
I second this. I couldn't imagine learning flex without the tools flexbuilder provides. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:00 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to find a developers version anywhere. It's the first link on this page: http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/flexdownloads/ But I would really recommend that you start with Flex Builder. It's much easier, and it won't take you 60 days to figure out whether you're interested or not. You're much more likely to actually learn Flex with Flex Builder. After that, you may actually know enough about Flex to not use Flex Builder if you choose. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325396 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
There are other alternatives to Flex Builder 3 Flash Builder 4 (was Flex builder) is in Beta. It will probably drop during Max in Oct. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashbuilder4/ There is a flexible at riaforge. http://flexible.riaforge.org/ There is another tool I ran into was Amethyst. I haven't tried it. It has been in beta for ever. http://www.sapphiresteel.com/Download-Amethyst-Adobe-Flex-IDE And you can get code complete with Eclipse using an XML editor http://unlikelyteacher.com/2008/09/26/free-alternative-to-flex-builder/ But Like Dave said Flex Builder is you best bet. G$ On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote: If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to find a developers version anywhere. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Jake Churchillj...@cfwebtools.com wrote: If you are out of a job, Adobe is (or at least was) giving away flex builder for free. It's for learning purposes only so you can't actually use it for anything work related. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325399 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Thirded. Bear in mind the flash builder 4 beta is in labs: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashbuilder4/ and might be for more than another 60 days! Will -Original Message- From: Jake Churchill [mailto:j...@cfwebtools.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 16:07 To: cf-talk Subject: RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I second this. I couldn't imagine learning flex without the tools flexbuilder provides. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:00 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to find a developers version anywhere. It's the first link on this page: http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/flexdownloads/ But I would really recommend that you start with Flex Builder. It's much easier, and it won't take you 60 days to figure out whether you're interested or not. You're much more likely to actually learn Flex with Flex Builder. After that, you may actually know enough about Flex to not use Flex Builder if you choose. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325400 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Well, they're actually pretty similar, so I'm not sure either would be easier or more natural than the other. If you use Java, that does have direct relevance to CF, but beyond that there really isn't one that's a better fit than the other. So, like Peter, I would suggest that you look at both - and maybe learn a bit of both. I'd also suggest that you look at the jobs and see which ones strike you as better, and use that as your guide. I've looked into .NET a bit, but it seems that for someone with no access to anything on a large scale (Sharepoint, etc.), there's only so far you can go learning .NET in your basement. There's also the factor of .NET not being ONE language, but a combo of several techs rolled into one. I'm curious if .NET, while a web development language, might just look easier to the inexperienced eye? Well, you can certainly run Sharepoint in your basement. While Sharepoint is a giant pain to learn and set up, you can run it on a laptop, or even download a VM with it preinstalled. As for .NET not being a language, well, both .NET and Java really correspond to entire infrastructures. You're not just going to learn Java, you'd learn JSP and servlets and JSF, etc, etc. Both are extremely complex and powerful things. The only real difference at that level is that you have multiple .NET languages, but even that distinction is going away - you can write Java in all sorts of languages now, if you really want to. If you are going to learn .NET, I'd recommend that you learn C#, since that is (a) the most like other languages you might learn later like Java and AS3, and (b) the reference language for the .NET framework. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informatio ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325401 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Try both, see which one you prefer. I wish I had the time, money, and mental energy to do that, but I imagine getting my head around one new language/technology will be challenging enough :) I'm a bit of a slow learner, so I'm trying to pace myself and focus on this :) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325402 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
I wish I had the time, money, and mental energy to do that, but I imagine getting my head around one new language/technology will be challenging enough :) Well, actually, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the similarity between C# and Java (and AS3, if you look at that too). The underlying infrastructure is quite a bit different, as is the way you accomplish lots of specific tasks, but this is why you want to try them both. You don't actually have to learn them both fully to try building, say, a single simple web application in both. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325403 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
I suppose another factor is that I've never dealt with anything other than MS-related products on the operating system and server level. Always been on a Windows PC working with code running on IIS servers. IIRC, when I first investigated JAVA, one of the issues was my level of inexperience with non-Windows servers/OS. With the economy and market as it is, and with current employment's stability starting to wiggle, I'm being forced to investigate other options. I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Not intending to abandon CF at all, but this is a time where flexibility will be key and I'd like to be able to spread a wider net should job seeking become a factor again. Through a couple early searches, there are a few opportunities that list CF as a *PLUS*, while the core competency is either .NET or JAVA. I've looked into .NET a bit, but it seems that for someone with no access to anything on a large scale (Sharepoint, etc.), there's only so far you can go learning .NET in your basement. There's also the factor of .NET not being ONE language, but a combo of several techs rolled into one. I'm curious if .NET, while a web development language, might just look easier to the inexperienced eye? JAVA is a different beast altogether, but seeing as I've been making use of some JAVA in CF7 and CF8 a little here and there, it seems like it would be somewhat familiar at least in the critical getting started phase. Thoughts? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325404 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Hi Chris I had a similar issue a while back and went down the C# route, I also started a site which I have to admit I have let slip somewhat that compares CF syntax to C#.net http://www.cfdot.net Hope this helps. Jose Diaz On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Chris Johnson u...@askugg.com wrote: I suppose another factor is that I've never dealt with anything other than MS-related products on the operating system and server level. Always been on a Windows PC working with code running on IIS servers. IIRC, when I first investigated JAVA, one of the issues was my level of inexperience with non-Windows servers/OS. With the economy and market as it is, and with current employment's stability starting to wiggle, I'm being forced to investigate other options. I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Not intending to abandon CF at all, but this is a time where flexibility will be key and I'd like to be able to spread a wider net should job seeking become a factor again. Through a couple early searches, there are a few opportunities that list CF as a *PLUS*, while the core competency is either .NET or JAVA. I've looked into .NET a bit, but it seems that for someone with no access to anything on a large scale (Sharepoint, etc.), there's only so far you can go learning .NET in your basement. There's also the factor of .NET not being ONE language, but a combo of several techs rolled into one. I'm curious if .NET, while a web development language, might just look easier to the inexperienced eye? JAVA is a different beast altogether, but seeing as I've been making use of some JAVA in CF7 and CF8 a little here and there, it seems like it would be somewhat familiar at least in the critical getting started phase. Thoughts? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325418 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .net cookies transfer to CF Session Values?
James Holmes wrote: So, basically, the username and password is written out in plain text in the cookie for anyone to steal. Great security. I didn't write the .net part! But yup, I didn't like the way it looked either. But: a. I like my job b. they pay well and often c. the .net folks are IN HOUSE and I'm not d. they *hate* Coldfusion e. keep my mouth shut = keep my job! Read the value of the cookie from the COOKIE scope and send the user|pass|pin to your code to log them in. That was the plan - I just wasn't sure how to grab the values to start with. Then, hope that no-one executes a successful XSS attack on your users. Then, fire the .NET developer. ...and I'll let the in-house IT department worry about that part! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321299 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .net cookies transfer to CF Session Values?
write them to javascript cookie vars, then yank them outta there into cf session variables cfRas On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Les Mizzell lesm...@bellsouth.net wrote: I've got a client that's decided to try and use a .net login system written for one of their sites for *all* their sites, including the huge CF site I maintain for them. Looking at the .net code for this thing *really* reminds me why I like Coldfusion so much - sheesh, 15 or so files and a couple thousand lines of code to log somebody in? Anyway, it all comes down to the below if the login is successful: Response.Cookies[mysite_loggedin].Value = user+|+pass+|+pin; Response.Cookies[mysite_loggedin].Expires = DateTime.Now.AddDays(14); HttpCookie aCookie = new HttpCookie(mysite_loggedin); aCookie.Value = user+|+pass+|+pin; aCookie.Expires = DateTime.Now.AddDays(14); Response.Cookies.Add(aCookie); I'd like to be able to transfer those cookie values over to CF Session values, which thusly would have them counted as logged in on the CF Admin section of the CF site. I'm not .net literate - but could somebody point me in the right direction to be able to swap the .net cookes/values for CF session values? Ideas? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321236 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .net cookies transfer to CF Session Values?
So, basically, the username and password is written out in plain text in the cookie for anyone to steal. Great security. Anyway, don't just trust the existence of the cookie - you need to log the user in to your site with the username and password. Otherwise, I can just manipulate my browser to set a cookie called mysite_loggedin and get logged in to your site. Read the value of the cookie from the COOKIE scope and send the user|pass|pin to your code to log them in. Then, hope that no-one executes a successful XSS attack on your users. Then, fire the .NET developer. mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ 2009/4/2 Les Mizzell lesm...@bellsouth.net: I've got a client that's decided to try and use a .net login system written for one of their sites for *all* their sites, including the huge CF site I maintain for them. Looking at the .net code for this thing *really* reminds me why I like Coldfusion so much - sheesh, 15 or so files and a couple thousand lines of code to log somebody in? Anyway, it all comes down to the below if the login is successful: Response.Cookies[mysite_loggedin].Value = user+|+pass+|+pin; Response.Cookies[mysite_loggedin].Expires = DateTime.Now.AddDays(14); HttpCookie aCookie = new HttpCookie(mysite_loggedin); aCookie.Value = user+|+pass+|+pin; aCookie.Expires = DateTime.Now.AddDays(14); Response.Cookies.Add(aCookie); I'd like to be able to transfer those cookie values over to CF Session values, which thusly would have them counted as logged in on the CF Admin section of the CF site. I'm not .net literate - but could somebody point me in the right direction to be able to swap the .net cookes/values for CF session values? Ideas? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321258 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .Net Training C# for .Net training in New Hampshire or N.Shore of Mass
On Friday 14 Nov 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would anyone be able to recommend good company for classroom training for .Net 3.5 and C# for .Net? On a ColdFusion mailing list ? :-) -- Tom Chiverton Helping to synergistically extend systems This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:315696 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .Net Training C# for .Net training in New Hampshire or N.Shore of Mass
Would anyone be able to recommend good company for classroom training for .Net 3.5 and C# for .Net? Adam Churvis, who's posted recently here on the list, offers .NET training. I can't speak from personal experience, but he definitely knows what he's doing. I think his company is Productivity Enhancement (http://www.productivityenhancement.com/). Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:315698 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: .Net Training C# for .Net training in New Hampshire or N.Shore of Mass
New Horizons in Nashua. -Original Message- From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:33 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .Net Training C# for .Net training in New Hampshire or N.Shore of Mass On Friday 14 Nov 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would anyone be able to recommend good company for classroom training for .Net 3.5 and C# for .Net? On a ColdFusion mailing list ? :-) -- Tom Chiverton Helping to synergistically extend systems This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:315702 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET getting CF session variables
Well, Bluedragon.NET would no doubt do it, but in CF you'd probably have to use some sort of webservice or other integration. On 1/25/07, Richard Colman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I create session variables on user login within CF. Is there some reasonable way to a .NET application to pick up and use those session variables? Rick Colman -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267563 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET getting CF session variables
This is ColdFusion I gather so moving to another platform regardless of need is probably not an option. I would be interested to see if other people have done this, both in classic ASP and in ASP.NET. Is it even possible... Strange a google doesn't come with anything meaningful non BD. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: James Holmes To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Jan 24 23:59:34 2007 Subject: Re: .NET getting CF session variables Well, Bluedragon.NET would no doubt do it, but in CF you'd probably have to use some sort of webservice or other integration. On 1/25/07, Richard Colman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I create session variables on user login within CF. Is there some reasonable way to a .NET application to pick up and use those session variables? Rick Colman -- ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267564 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET getting CF session variables
Sharing session _variables_ is not a big deal - you can read the users cookie for the values, pass them in the URL, whatever. Sharing the actual _session_ is another thing altogether, and something you aren't likely to have much luck with. The session contents are fairly black-boxed within the system, for good reason. Sharing session info to outside processes leaves open all sorts of security concerns. If you need to have true session sharing between a .NET app and a ColdFusion app, it's likely that moving to BlueDragon.NET is the only option. On Jan 24, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: This is ColdFusion I gather so moving to another platform regardless of need is probably not an option. I would be interested to see if other people have done this, both in classic ASP and in ASP.NET. Is it even possible... Strange a google doesn't come with anything meaningful non BD. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: James Holmes To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Jan 24 23:59:34 2007 Subject: Re: .NET getting CF session variables Well, Bluedragon.NET would no doubt do it, but in CF you'd probably have to use some sort of webservice or other integration. On 1/25/07, Richard Colman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I create session variables on user login within CF. Is there some reasonable way to a .NET application to pick up and use those session variables? Rick Colman -- ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267565 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: .NET Help Please
The report works from the programmers desktop. However, when loaded onto the server it fails. With the following error. All permissions on the file, folder, and IIS are the same. I have actually gone in and opened up the permissions on the file to FULL for EVERYONE, USERS, and all other users that had access to the file. All to no avail. ... Error in File G:\BloodCountLoss\wwwRoot\dnHemapheresisDnrSummary.rpt: Access to report file denied. Another program may be using it. My guess is that the file is locked by something. You can probably fix this by simply rebooting the server, or if you don't want to reboot you can identify and remove the lock if possible. Google windows remove file lock for more information. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:259226 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET Help Please
The report works from the programmers desktop. However, when My guess is that the file is locked by something. You can probably fix this by simply rebooting the server, or if you don't want to reboot you can identify and remove the lock if possible. Google windows remove file lock for more information. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:259228 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET Help Please
I've tried rebooting the server to no avail. The report works from the programmers desktop. However, when My guess is that the file is locked by something. You can probably fix this by simply rebooting the server, or if you don't want to reboot you can identify and remove the lock if possible. Google windows remove file lock for more information. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:259229 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET Help Please
You can also use Process Explorer from Sysinternals... A fantastic tool This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Sun Nov 05 18:58:36 2006 Subject: RE: .NET Help Please The report works from the programmers desktop. However, when loaded onto the server it fails. With the following error. All permissions on the file, folder, and IIS are the same. I have actually gone in and opened up the permissions on the file to FULL for EVERYONE, USERS, and all other users that had access to the file. All to no avail. ... Error in File G:\BloodCountLoss\wwwRoot\dnHemapheresisDnrSummary.rpt: Access to report file denied. Another program may be using it. My guess is that the file is locked by something. You can probably fix this by simply rebooting the server, or if you don't want to reboot you can identify and remove the lock if possible. Google windows remove file lock for more information. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:259231 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!!
Can you determine if the sessions are simply timing out? It may be as simple as increasing the IIS session timeout value. -Original Message- From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!! We have a project that was poorly planned. One piece of the project was built by a very experienced CF developer. Another piece was built by a good programmer fairly new to CF, with the help of a senior CF developer. The third piece was built in .NET by a good developer with lots of GUI experience but no web experience. The .NET piece is the entry point and both CF pieces point back to the entry point. So I can log in, work in the .NET piece then move to either of the CF pieces but almost always end up back in the .NET piece. The issue we are running into is that the .NET session variables exist in .NET. There are no problems with them. However, if a user moves from the .NET piece to either of the CF pieces the .NET Session variables no longer exist upon return to the .NET piece. All pieces are within a single website. Any idea what might be causing this or how to address the issue? Ken ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227025 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!!
Hi Ken, Is there a reason that the entry point is in .NET while everything else is CF? It seems logical that it might be wise to encompass the complete app within one platform... Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 14, 2005 12:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!! We have a project that was poorly planned. One piece of the project was built by a very experienced CF developer. Another piece was built by a good programmer fairly new to CF, with the help of a senior CF developer. The third piece was built in .NET by a good developer with lots of GUI experience but no web experience. The .NET piece is the entry point and both CF pieces point back to the entry point. So I can log in, work in the .NET piece then move to either of the CF pieces but almost always end up back in the .NET piece. The issue we are running into is that the .NET session variables exist in .NET. There are no problems with them. However, if a user moves from the .NET piece to either of the CF pieces the .NET Session variables no longer exist upon return to the .NET piece. All pieces are within a single website. Any idea what might be causing this or how to address the issue? Ken Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227026 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET Variables within ColdFusion HELP!!!
Can you determine if the sessions are simply timing out? It may be as simple as increasing the IIS session timeout value. Not unless the default timeout is less then a minute. It happens immediately. Click on a link from an aspx page to a cfm page, click a link back and suddenly no .NET session data. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227027 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!!
It does not appear to be a timeout issue. We can stay within .NET without an issue. As soon as we leave .NET there are no Session variables upon return, even if we click out then right back in. -Original Message- From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!! Can you determine if the sessions are simply timing out? It may be as simple as increasing the IIS session timeout value. -Original Message- From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!! We have a project that was poorly planned. One piece of the project was built by a very experienced CF developer. Another piece was built by a good programmer fairly new to CF, with the help of a senior CF developer. The third piece was built in .NET by a good developer with lots of GUI experience but no web experience. The .NET piece is the entry point and both CF pieces point back to the entry point. So I can log in, work in the .NET piece then move to either of the CF pieces but almost always end up back in the .NET piece. The issue we are running into is that the .NET session variables exist in .NET. There are no problems with them. However, if a user moves from the .NET piece to either of the CF pieces the .NET Session variables no longer exist upon return to the .NET piece. All pieces are within a single website. Any idea what might be causing this or how to address the issue? Ken ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227028 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!!
Couple of answers to your question. The .NET portion is more than just an entry point. It contains additional functionality. We are doing what we can to continue as a CF house. There has been a push for .NET by non-IS related management (read all you want between the lines). One of the ways we are trying to do this is using both .NET and CF. Attempting to show that .NET is no better than CF and they can actually work together. (remember, the poorly planned project comment at the start of the original post). Better planning and testing would have raised this issue earlier. -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!! Hi Ken, Is there a reason that the entry point is in .NET while everything else is CF? It seems logical that it might be wise to encompass the complete app within one platform... Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 14, 2005 12:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!! We have a project that was poorly planned. One piece of the project was built by a very experienced CF developer. Another piece was built by a good programmer fairly new to CF, with the help of a senior CF developer. The third piece was built in .NET by a good developer with lots of GUI experience but no web experience. The .NET piece is the entry point and both CF pieces point back to the entry point. So I can log in, work in the .NET piece then move to either of the CF pieces but almost always end up back in the .NET piece. The issue we are running into is that the .NET session variables exist in .NET. There are no problems with them. However, if a user moves from the .NET piece to either of the CF pieces the .NET Session variables no longer exist upon return to the .NET piece. All pieces are within a single website. Any idea what might be causing this or how to address the issue? Ken Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227029 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!!
Ken, Can you find out if the .NET session is set to be killed once the app gets out of .NET environment? Looks like the session is killed once you navigate to different web site or a different section in a web site. Agha Mehdi IDT - eBusiness Program Manager -Original Message- From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!! Couple of answers to your question. The .NET portion is more than just an entry point. It contains additional functionality. We are doing what we can to continue as a CF house. There has been a push for .NET by non-IS related management (read all you want between the lines). One of the ways we are trying to do this is using both .NET and CF. Attempting to show that .NET is no better than CF and they can actually work together. (remember, the poorly planned project comment at the start of the original post). Better planning and testing would have raised this issue earlier. -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!! Hi Ken, Is there a reason that the entry point is in .NET while everything else is CF? It seems logical that it might be wise to encompass the complete app within one platform... Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 14, 2005 12:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!! We have a project that was poorly planned. One piece of the project was built by a very experienced CF developer. Another piece was built by a good programmer fairly new to CF, with the help of a senior CF developer. The third piece was built in .NET by a good developer with lots of GUI experience but no web experience. The .NET piece is the entry point and both CF pieces point back to the entry point. So I can log in, work in the .NET piece then move to either of the CF pieces but almost always end up back in the .NET piece. The issue we are running into is that the .NET session variables exist in .NET. There are no problems with them. However, if a user moves from the .NET piece to either of the CF pieces the .NET Session variables no longer exist upon return to the .NET piece. All pieces are within a single website. Any idea what might be causing this or how to address the issue? Ken Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227030 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET Variables within ColdFusion HELP!!!
Can you find out if the .NET session is set to be killed once the app gets out of .NET environment? Looks like the session is killed once you navigate to different web site or a different section in a web site. We can determine that the .NET session is not killed, but it may be being cleared. But when the application returns to the .NET portion the session ID still exists, but none of the session values do. Strangely if we put the ColdFusion under a different domain, this problem does not occur. If the .NET code links to the CF code in the other domain and then the CF code returns to the .NET code in the original domain the .NET session values are just fine. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227031 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!!
Just wated to chimne in and say BlueDragon would have possibly ben a good fit for this combined technology projectalthough I know that doesn't help with you current dilema. I do know I've seen this session lost issue posted many times on this list...but I've never read them...so I don't know if there is a solution. If you haven't searched already...check the archives and you may find your answer ;-) I will pay attention to this thread to see what the solution will be ;-) Good luck Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227034 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET Variables within ColdFusion HELP!!!
Current testing is leading to something in the .NET coding. I created a simple set of pages in ASP.NET (VB) and ColdFusion, each setting session values and displaying them on following pages. I can bounce between the two application servers with no trouble. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227040 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!!
This is another plug for Blue Dragin I'm afraid. With Blue Dragon.net you can mix and match CFML and asp.net, and session variables will be available to both. I.E session vars create din the .net code are available to CFML and vice versa. You can also include asp.net cod einto a .cfm file and vice versa. Russ -Original Message- From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 December 2005 18:27 To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!! We have a project that was poorly planned. One piece of the project was built by a very experienced CF developer. Another piece was built by a good programmer fairly new to CF, with the help of a senior CF developer. The third piece was built in .NET by a good developer with lots of GUI experience but no web experience. The .NET piece is the entry point and both CF pieces point back to the entry point. So I can log in, work in the .NET piece then move to either of the CF pieces but almost always end up back in the .NET piece. The issue we are running into is that the .NET session variables exist in ..NET. There are no problems with them. However, if a user moves from the ..NET piece to either of the CF pieces the .NET Session variables no longer exist upon return to the .NET piece. All pieces are within a single website. Any idea what might be causing this or how to address the issue? Ken Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227051 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!!
Bryan says BD would have possibly been a good fit but doesn't help with the current dillema. Perhaps it still can. :-) Ken, if you're interested in hearing more, contact me off-list, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or feel free to call me at 678 256 5395. /charlie Just wated to chimne in and say BlueDragon would have possibly ben a good fit for this combined technology projectalthough I know that doesn't help with you current dilema. Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227061 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!!
Bryan says BD would have possibly been a good fit but doesn't help with the current dillema. Perhaps it still can. Well yes CharlieI assumed he didn't want a whole new dev environment and to rip the app apart ;-) but Ken...I'd call Charlie if I were you ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227065 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .NET Variables wiithin ColdFusion HELP!!!
How are you maintaining the session in .NET? With cookies or with URL variables? On 12/15/05, Ken Ketsdever [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a project that was poorly planned. [snip] The issue we are running into is that the .NET session variables exist in .NET. There are no problems with them. However, if a user moves from the .NET piece to either of the CF pieces the .NET Session variables no longer exist upon return to the .NET piece. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:227076 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .NET suggestions
Maybe you need to forward this Dilbert cartoon to the CTO http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20050823.html Marlon On 8/20/05, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, If your CTO is dead set on not using CFML and you need to get knee deep in ASP.Net, then I suggest picking up the following book: Build Your Own ASP.NET Website Using C# VB.NET http://www.sitepoint.com/books/aspnet1/ Its, IMO, the best book around. Its straight to the point without being as big as War Peace. You'll still need a good C# reference but this book will give you the fundamentals you'll need to start working. Rey... Tom McNeer wrote: To Kevin and Matthew -- Thanks for the references. To others, particularly Matt, since he's the one who raised the real issue -- I'm well aware of BD .NET and its advantages. I've had lunch with Charlie Arehart and Brian O'Reilly. (And for that matter, Brian called me a few minutes ago because of this post). But while I wouldn't characterize the situation exactly as Matt did, it does seem (at the moment) as if the determination is that the CF code base will be replaced. I intend to discuss Blue Dragon as an option with this client. But my current guess is that he will choose to rewrite the applications to eliminate the CFML. If that's the final decision, then we will need to be writing C#, I guess. And if we get to that point -- does anyone else have any other suggestions for the best books/courses/online resources? -- http://www.ReyBango.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216056 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .NET suggestions
On 8/23/05, Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you need to forward this Dilbert cartoon to the CTO On the other hand, maybe I'd like to keep the account. ;-) -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216057 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .NET suggestions
I completely second the recommendation for the C# books by Jesse Liberty. And if you ever get a chance to see him speak, do it. He is very articulate and bright and conveys information well. Robyn Here are two books I have and recommend (both by Jesse Liberty): Learning C# http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/learncsharp This book will give you a good foundation and is for beginners to the language or programming in general. If you have prior programming experience you should be able to get through this book fairly quickly. Programming C# http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progcsharp4 If you have prior programming experience you can go right to this book, but even if you do I'd suggest starting with Learning C# so you don't get distracted by all of the more advanced areas of .net programming in this book. Andy ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216059 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET suggestions
Tom, Not to mention you might like C#, most do but are only afraid of the initial complexity. Just the learning curve you need to pass. Within a month you figured out that datasets are not all that ;) Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 22 augustus 2005 14:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: .NET suggestions I just want to thank everyone for their kind suggestions. On 8/20/05, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your CTO is dead set on not using CFML and you need to get knee deep in ASP.Net, then I suggest picking up the following book: Well, he's not mine, but the situation is likely to fall out that way. Again, thanks to all for your help. Besides, learning another technology may be a pain, but it's not a bad thing. And they could have chosen to find another development firm, too. -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215891 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .NET suggestions
I just want to thank everyone for their kind suggestions. On 8/20/05, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your CTO is dead set on not using CFML and you need to get knee deep in ASP.Net, then I suggest picking up the following book: Well, he's not mine, but the situation is likely to fall out that way. Again, thanks to all for your help. Besides, learning another technology may be a pain, but it's not a bad thing. And they could have chosen to find another development firm, too. -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215889 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET suggestions
Within a month you figured out that datasets are not all that ;) Basically, struct of queries... =] Kevin -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 22, 2005 7:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: .NET suggestions Tom, Not to mention you might like C#, most do but are only afraid of the initial complexity. Just the learning curve you need to pass. Within a month you figured out that datasets are not all that ;) Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: maandag 22 augustus 2005 14:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: .NET suggestions I just want to thank everyone for their kind suggestions. On 8/20/05, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your CTO is dead set on not using CFML and you need to get knee deep in ASP.Net, then I suggest picking up the following book: Well, he's not mine, but the situation is likely to fall out that way. Again, thanks to all for your help. Besides, learning another technology may be a pain, but it's not a bad thing. And they could have chosen to find another development firm, too. -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215896 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .NET suggestions
Tom, If your CTO is dead set on not using CFML and you need to get knee deep in ASP.Net, then I suggest picking up the following book: Build Your Own ASP.NET Website Using C# VB.NET http://www.sitepoint.com/books/aspnet1/ Its, IMO, the best book around. Its straight to the point without being as big as War Peace. You'll still need a good C# reference but this book will give you the fundamentals you'll need to start working. Rey... Tom McNeer wrote: To Kevin and Matthew -- Thanks for the references. To others, particularly Matt, since he's the one who raised the real issue -- I'm well aware of BD .NET and its advantages. I've had lunch with Charlie Arehart and Brian O'Reilly. (And for that matter, Brian called me a few minutes ago because of this post). But while I wouldn't characterize the situation exactly as Matt did, it does seem (at the moment) as if the determination is that the CF code base will be replaced. I intend to discuss Blue Dragon as an option with this client. But my current guess is that he will choose to rewrite the applications to eliminate the CFML. If that's the final decision, then we will need to be writing C#, I guess. And if we get to that point -- does anyone else have any other suggestions for the best books/courses/online resources? -- http://www.ReyBango.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215864 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET suggestions
Microsoft ASP.NET Step by Step - Microsoft Press Definitely get Visual Studio.Net now - don't try to manually compile a page. Take an application you have already written in CF and convert it using ..NET. http://www.asp.net is the official Microsoft website for ASP.NET Matthew Small -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET suggestions Hi, We have a long-time client who has a new CIO, and he has decided that the CF applications which we have built for them over the past three years will be migrated to the .NET framework. This isn't a debatable decision, so I'm not asking for ammunition against the change. It's going to happen. Fortunately, it appears as if they will allow us to make the migration, since we know both their business and the existing apps. Unfortunately, we have not been developing applications using .NET. So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215761 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET suggestions
I would suggest you look at BlueDragon. Then you can deploy on .NET but still using CFML. Much less of a learning curve and will make the migration quicker methinks. Russ -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 August 2005 15:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET suggestions Hi, We have a long-time client who has a new CIO, and he has decided that the CF applications which we have built for them over the past three years will be migrated to the .NET framework. This isn't a debatable decision, so I'm not asking for ammunition against the change. It's going to happen. Fortunately, it appears as if they will allow us to make the migration, since we know both their business and the existing apps. Unfortunately, we have not been developing applications using .NET. So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215762 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET suggestions
If the issue is that the applications need to use the .NET framework, then is BlueDragon.NET an option? Or is the issue is that CIO in question is one who believes that web applications Don't really work and Aren't really professional if they aren't built in ASP... I guess I'm asking, is it really the framework that's at issue, or is it a manager who doesn't know to separate the framework from the language interacting with it? Matt Osbun Web Developer Health Systems, International -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 9:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET suggestions Hi, We have a long-time client who has a new CIO, and he has decided that the CF applications which we have built for them over the past three years will be migrated to the .NET framework. This isn't a debatable decision, so I'm not asking for ammunition against the change. It's going to happen. Fortunately, it appears as if they will allow us to make the migration, since we know both their business and the existing apps. Unfortunately, we have not been developing applications using .NET. So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215763 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET suggestions
Actually, the free editor at asp.net is quite good, but I'd still suggest getting VS.NET. Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 19, 2005 8:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: .NET suggestions Microsoft ASP.NET Step by Step - Microsoft Press Definitely get Visual Studio.Net now - don't try to manually compile a page. Take an application you have already written in CF and convert it using ...NET. http://www.asp.net is the official Microsoft website for ASP.NET Matthew Small -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET suggestions Hi, We have a long-time client who has a new CIO, and he has decided that the CF applications which we have built for them over the past three years will be migrated to the .NET framework. This isn't a debatable decision, so I'm not asking for ammunition against the change. It's going to happen. Fortunately, it appears as if they will allow us to make the migration, since we know both their business and the existing apps. Unfortunately, we have not been developing applications using .NET. So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215771 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET suggestions
Good point. I've not used it myself, but I've heard good things about it. Matthew Small -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 11:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: .NET suggestions Actually, the free editor at asp.net is quite good, but I'd still suggest getting VS.NET. Cheers, Kevin ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215773 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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To Kevin and Matthew -- Thanks for the references. To others, particularly Matt, since he's the one who raised the real issue -- I'm well aware of BD .NET and its advantages. I've had lunch with Charlie Arehart and Brian O'Reilly. (And for that matter, Brian called me a few minutes ago because of this post). But while I wouldn't characterize the situation exactly as Matt did, it does seem (at the moment) as if the determination is that the CF code base will be replaced. I intend to discuss Blue Dragon as an option with this client. But my current guess is that he will choose to rewrite the applications to eliminate the CFML. If that's the final decision, then we will need to be writing C#, I guess. And if we get to that point -- does anyone else have any other suggestions for the best books/courses/online resources? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215774 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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In that case, speaking generically, I've always had a lot of success with O'Reilly Press and the 10-Minute Solutions lines of reference books. Specifically, I bought a .NET 10-minute Solutions book some time ago, and rather like it. If you're not familiar with the line, the author gives Real World (their term) problems and solutions in the given language, along with code. In this case, VB.NET. http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0782142532.html O'reilly has a C# Cookbook: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/csharpckbk/ C# Essentials: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/csharpess2/ And C# In A Nutshell http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/csharpnut2/ I haven't read those, but I've always liked the O'Reilly books. Matt Osbun Web Developer Health Systems, International -Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: .NET suggestions To Kevin and Matthew -- Thanks for the references. To others, particularly Matt, since he's the one who raised the real issue -- I'm well aware of BD .NET and its advantages. I've had lunch with Charlie Arehart and Brian O'Reilly. (And for that matter, Brian called me a few minutes ago because of this post). But while I wouldn't characterize the situation exactly as Matt did, it does seem (at the moment) as if the determination is that the CF code base will be replaced. I intend to discuss Blue Dragon as an option with this client. But my current guess is that he will choose to rewrite the applications to eliminate the CFML. If that's the final decision, then we will need to be writing C#, I guess. And if we get to that point -- does anyone else have any other suggestions for the best books/courses/online resources? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215782 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .NET suggestions
Tom McNeer wrote: We have a long-time client who has a new CIO, and he has decided that the CF applications which we have built for them over the past three years will be migrated to the .NET framework. This isn't a debatable decision, so I'm not asking for ammunition against the change. It's going to happen. Fortunately, it appears as if they will allow us to make the migration, since we know both their business and the existing apps. Unfortunately, we have not been developing applications using .NET. So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? I suggest looking at: Migrating from ColdFusion to ASP.NET Author: Joel Mueller, Microsoft Corporation Summary: Learn how to migrate from ColdFusion to ASP.NET. A comparison of ColdFusion MX and ASP.NET as well as common task scenarios for each application development framework are included. (25 printed pages) http://tinyurl.com/h8tx http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/e n-us/dnaspp/html/coldfusiontoaspnet.asp ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215787 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET suggestions
Tom, There are several very good books available to get you started. ASP.NET Website Programming by Marco Bellinaso and Kevin Hoffman is a good book covering the basics of the framework. Iit assumes you know a fair deal of c# and starts with building a foundation for further use throughout the book, and then covering 3 tier development, io operations by building a file manager, database operations by building a portal, basic security foundations for .NET, and in the end you will have build a complete portal with user management, forums, a blog, and file management. It also addresses aspects like caching techniques, webservices, xslt etc. A good start for the newcomer. The most difficult part I experienced in the learning process was to figure out, if what I wanted to do was already available in the .NET framework. There is just so much to find out, but it is real fun and development speed is very high. Micha From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/19/2005 5:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: .NET suggestions To Kevin and Matthew -- Thanks for the references. To others, particularly Matt, since he's the one who raised the real issue -- I'm well aware of BD .NET and its advantages. I've had lunch with Charlie Arehart and Brian O'Reilly. (And for that matter, Brian called me a few minutes ago because of this post). But while I wouldn't characterize the situation exactly as Matt did, it does seem (at the moment) as if the determination is that the CF code base will be replaced. I intend to discuss Blue Dragon as an option with this client. But my current guess is that he will choose to rewrite the applications to eliminate the CFML. If that's the final decision, then we will need to be writing C#, I guess. And if we get to that point -- does anyone else have any other suggestions for the best books/courses/online resources? -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215835 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .NET suggestions
Charles -- Thanks, I had forgotten about that comparison. A little outdated, but helpful. And Micha -- Iit assumes you know a fair deal of c# but if I don't? (which I don't yet, though I'd rather learn C# than VBScript). -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215839 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET suggestions
Tom, Then there is another good book, and that is (and ofcourse there are many others) C# for Professionals from Wrox. It is about 1300 pages, and covers literally everything for C#. Micha From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 8/19/2005 10:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: .NET suggestions Charles -- Thanks, I had forgotten about that comparison. A little outdated, but helpful. And Micha -- Iit assumes you know a fair deal of c# . but if I don't? (which I don't yet, though I'd rather learn C# than VBScript). -- Thanks, Tom Tom McNeer MediumCool http://www.mediumcool.com 530 Means St NW, Suite 110 Atlanta, GA 30318 404.589.0560 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215842 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .NET suggestions
-Original Message- From: Tom McNeer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: .NET suggestions So -- what resources would you folks suggest for CF Developers needing to learn to use the .NET framework? Adam and David Churvis have offered a class specifically for this purpose in the past, but they don't seem to have one scheduled at the moment. I'll try to contact them directly. Books, online resources (including MS, of course), whatever. What's been helpful to you? Here are two books I have and recommend (both by Jesse Liberty): Learning C# http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/learncsharp This book will give you a good foundation and is for beginners to the language or programming in general. If you have prior programming experience you should be able to get through this book fairly quickly. Programming C# http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progcsharp4 If you have prior programming experience you can go right to this book, but even if you do I'd suggest starting with Learning C# so you don't get distracted by all of the more advanced areas of .net programming in this book. Andy ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215855 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .net (please don't hit me)
Yes. -Original Message- From: Dave Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 July 2005 14:25 To: CF-Talk Subject: .net (please don't hit me) Is it possible to run CF5 and ASP.net (framework) on the same box? Any gotchas? TIA Dave ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:211315 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .net (please don't hit me)
You can use BD.net -Mensaje original- De: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:16 AM Para: CF-Talk Asunto: RE: .net (please don't hit me) Yes. -Original Message- From: Dave Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 July 2005 14:25 To: CF-Talk Subject: .net (please don't hit me) Is it possible to run CF5 and ASP.net (framework) on the same box? Any gotchas? TIA Dave ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:211317 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .net (please don't hit me)
Or you can just run CF 5 and ASP.NET on the same machine, since BD.NET is CF 6 and because if someone is asking about running cf 5 he is talking about legacy code on a server that probably already has a cf 5 license. I don't know of any gotchas because I didn't work on that part of our server migration. However, we did have issues with NT authentication in CF 5 when we went from IIS 5 to IIS 6. Our ASP code required a few changes, but there was an upgrade in ASP versions invoved also. On 7/7/05, David Manriquez Farias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can use BD.net -Mensaje original- De: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:16 AM Para: CF-Talk Asunto: RE: .net (please don't hit me) Yes. -Original Message- From: Dave Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 July 2005 14:25 To: CF-Talk Subject: .net (please don't hit me) Is it possible to run CF5 and ASP.net (framework) on the same box? Any gotchas? -- You can't destroy EVERYthing. Where would you sit? The Tick Now for hire... http://www.blivit.org/mr_urc/index.cfm Now blogging http://www.blivit.org/blog/index.cfm ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:211349 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .net (please don't hit me)
I'm with David. I would strongly reccomend checking out Blue Dragon ..NET edition. Why run CFML along side .NET if you and run it IN .NET. Blue dragon is pretty good on the compatability with CF 5, and the license is reasonable. I'm sure Charlie or someone else from New Atlanta will be along soon enough to pimp thier product in this discussion :) Adam H On 7/7/05, Jennifer Larkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or you can just run CF 5 and ASP.NET on the same machine, since BD.NET is CF 6 and because if someone is asking about running cf 5 he is talking about legacy code on a server that probably already has a cf 5 license. I don't know of any gotchas because I didn't work on that part of our server migration. However, we did have issues with NT authentication in CF 5 when we went from IIS 5 to IIS 6. Our ASP code required a few changes, but there was an upgrade in ASP versions invoved also. On 7/7/05, David Manriquez Farias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can use BD.net -Mensaje original- De: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:16 AM Para: CF-Talk Asunto: RE: .net (please don't hit me) Yes. -Original Message- From: Dave Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 July 2005 14:25 To: CF-Talk Subject: .net (please don't hit me) Is it possible to run CF5 and ASP.net (framework) on the same box? Any gotchas? -- You can't destroy EVERYthing. Where would you sit? The Tick Now for hire... http://www.blivit.org/mr_urc/index.cfm Now blogging http://www.blivit.org/blog/index.cfm ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:211352 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .Net Web Service HELP!
Thanks everyone for helping, but maybe I should explain it a bit better. I have to send an array of data and an array of boolean through the web service. I know that both arrays are good but I get a mismatch error or a paramator not found error. Array example of Data: 123.0 TRUE 2 334.9 FALSE 5 TimeOnTest=123.0 HasDied=TRUE SubGroup=2 ArrayOfBoolean Example FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE the Web service expects a total of 5 in the array. Thanks again! EP! - Original Message - From: Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: .Net Web Service HELP! Hey guys, You might also like convertDotNetDataset() (http://clearsoftware.net/client/convertDotNetDataset.cfm) - accounts for multi-table datasets, which is where I hit a wall with DotNetGlue. Cheers, Joe On 4/13/05, Kevin Aebig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out DotNetGlue... we use it for all of our dot net WS calls. http://www.af-design.com/resources/coldfusion/ Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Ernie Pena [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: .Net Web Service HELP! I am connecting to a .net web service and I am able to get a response on a simple test, however when I try to send the complex data I get an error. I'm not sure what I need to do but I'm sure the data I'm sending over isnt quite right or is it. First let me show you the .net ws because its an internal site I can only paste the code. ...NET Web Service xml method: StopCheckingRule requires two an Array (aPatients) and an Array of Boolean (aSubGroupContinueIndicators) - POST /IVBuMelWebSvc/TrialConductor.asmx HTTP/1.1 Host: biostat252.mdacc.tmc.edu Content-Type: text/xml; charset=utf-8 Content-Length: length SOAPAction: TrialIVBuMel/CheckStoppingRule ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? soap:Envelope xmlns:xsi=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns:xsd=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema; xmlns:soap=http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/; soap:Body CheckStoppingRule xmlns=TrialIVBuMel aPatients Patient TimeOnTestdouble/TimeOnTest SubGroupint/SubGroup HasDiedboolean/HasDied /Patient Patient TimeOnTestdouble/TimeOnTest SubGroupint/SubGroup HasDiedboolean/HasDied /Patient /aPatients aSubGroupContinueIndicators booleanboolean/boolean booleanboolean/boolean /aSubGroupContinueIndicators sErrorsstring/sErrors /CheckStoppingRule /soap:Body /soap:Envelope - My Code: - cfset aPatients = arrayNew(1) / cfset aPatients [1] = createObject(component, Patient) / cfset aPatients [1].TimeOnTest = 23 / cfset aPatients [1].SubGroup = 2 / cfset aPatients [1].HasDied = FALSE / cfset Indicators = arrayNew(1)/ cfset Indicators[1] = FALSE / cfset Indicators[2] = FALSE / cfset Indicators[3] = FALSE / cfset Indicators[4] = FALSE / cfset Indicators[5] = FALSE / CFSCRIPT ws = CreateObject(webservice, http://biostat252.mdacc.tmc.edu/IVBuMelWebSvc/TrialConductor.asmx?wsdl;); sErrors = ws.CheckStoppingRule(aPatients=#aPatients#,aSubGroupContinueIndicators=#I ndicators#); writeoutput(sErrors); /CFSCRIPT - Any help with this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance Ernie Pena U. T. M. D. Anderson Cancer Center ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:202757 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: .Net Web Service HELP!
Ernie, I was having a similar problem with a complex WS call for an internal project and eventually I ended up building a Java-based solution to deal with it. There are actually a lot of helpful tools to accomplish this sort of task in Java. I would be happy to share the solution with you if you like. Email me offlist, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob Munn Thanks everyone for helping, but maybe I should explain it a bit better. I have to send an array of data and an array of boolean through the web service. I know that both arrays are good but I get a mismatch error or a paramator not found error. Array example of Data: 123.0 TRUE 2 334.9 FALSE 5 TimeOnTest=123.0 HasDied=TRUE SubGroup=2 ArrayOfBoolean Example FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE the Web service expects a total of 5 in the array. Thanks again! EP! - Original Message - From: Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: .Net Web Service HELP! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:202880 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .Net Web Service HELP!
The simplest way is to convert any complex ColdFusion structure to an XML representation. I did something similar for a client of mine sending CF queries to a .NET client. Had to convert all queries and structures to XML first. Check out http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=648 -Original Message- From: Ernie Pena [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: .Net Web Service HELP! I am connecting to a .net web service and I am able to get a response on a simple test, however when I try to send the complex data I get an error. I'm not sure what I need to do but I'm sure the data I'm sending over isnt quite right or is it. First let me show you the .net ws because its an internal site I can only paste the code. ...NET Web Service xml method: StopCheckingRule requires two an Array (aPatients) and an Array of Boolean (aSubGroupContinueIndicators) - POST /IVBuMelWebSvc/TrialConductor.asmx HTTP/1.1 Host: biostat252.mdacc.tmc.edu Content-Type: text/xml; charset=utf-8 Content-Length: length SOAPAction: TrialIVBuMel/CheckStoppingRule ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? soap:Envelope xmlns:xsi=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns:xsd=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema; xmlns:soap=http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/; soap:Body CheckStoppingRule xmlns=TrialIVBuMel aPatients Patient TimeOnTestdouble/TimeOnTest SubGroupint/SubGroup HasDiedboolean/HasDied /Patient Patient TimeOnTestdouble/TimeOnTest SubGroupint/SubGroup HasDiedboolean/HasDied /Patient /aPatients aSubGroupContinueIndicators booleanboolean/boolean booleanboolean/boolean /aSubGroupContinueIndicators sErrorsstring/sErrors /CheckStoppingRule /soap:Body /soap:Envelope - My Code: - cfset aPatients = arrayNew(1) / cfset aPatients [1] = createObject(component, Patient) / cfset aPatients [1].TimeOnTest = 23 / cfset aPatients [1].SubGroup = 2 / cfset aPatients [1].HasDied = FALSE / cfset Indicators = arrayNew(1)/ cfset Indicators[1] = FALSE / cfset Indicators[2] = FALSE / cfset Indicators[3] = FALSE / cfset Indicators[4] = FALSE / cfset Indicators[5] = FALSE / CFSCRIPT ws = CreateObject(webservice, http://biostat252.mdacc.tmc.edu/IVBuMelWebSvc/TrialConductor.asmx?wsdl;); sErrors = ws.CheckStoppingRule(aPatients=#aPatients#,aSubGroupContinueIndicators=#I ndicators#); writeoutput(sErrors); /CFSCRIPT - Any help with this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance Ernie Pena U. T. M. D. Anderson Cancer Center ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:202547 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .Net Web Service HELP!
Check out DotNetGlue... we use it for all of our dot net WS calls. http://www.af-design.com/resources/coldfusion/ Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Ernie Pena [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: .Net Web Service HELP! I am connecting to a .net web service and I am able to get a response on a simple test, however when I try to send the complex data I get an error. I'm not sure what I need to do but I'm sure the data I'm sending over isnt quite right or is it. First let me show you the .net ws because its an internal site I can only paste the code. ...NET Web Service xml method: StopCheckingRule requires two an Array (aPatients) and an Array of Boolean (aSubGroupContinueIndicators) - POST /IVBuMelWebSvc/TrialConductor.asmx HTTP/1.1 Host: biostat252.mdacc.tmc.edu Content-Type: text/xml; charset=utf-8 Content-Length: length SOAPAction: TrialIVBuMel/CheckStoppingRule ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? soap:Envelope xmlns:xsi=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance; xmlns:xsd=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema; xmlns:soap=http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/; soap:Body CheckStoppingRule xmlns=TrialIVBuMel aPatients Patient TimeOnTestdouble/TimeOnTest SubGroupint/SubGroup HasDiedboolean/HasDied /Patient Patient TimeOnTestdouble/TimeOnTest SubGroupint/SubGroup HasDiedboolean/HasDied /Patient /aPatients aSubGroupContinueIndicators booleanboolean/boolean booleanboolean/boolean /aSubGroupContinueIndicators sErrorsstring/sErrors /CheckStoppingRule /soap:Body /soap:Envelope - My Code: - cfset aPatients = arrayNew(1) / cfset aPatients [1] = createObject(component, Patient) / cfset aPatients [1].TimeOnTest = 23 / cfset aPatients [1].SubGroup = 2 / cfset aPatients [1].HasDied = FALSE / cfset Indicators = arrayNew(1)/ cfset Indicators[1] = FALSE / cfset Indicators[2] = FALSE / cfset Indicators[3] = FALSE / cfset Indicators[4] = FALSE / cfset Indicators[5] = FALSE / CFSCRIPT ws = CreateObject(webservice, http://biostat252.mdacc.tmc.edu/IVBuMelWebSvc/TrialConductor.asmx?wsdl;); sErrors = ws.CheckStoppingRule(aPatients=#aPatients#,aSubGroupContinueIndicators=#I ndicators#); writeoutput(sErrors); /CFSCRIPT - Any help with this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance Ernie Pena U. T. M. D. Anderson Cancer Center ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:202586 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
