Re: ANN: Open source ColdFusion CRM solution
I've always understood GPL3 to be free software. I didn't think he was tring to sell anything. I was happy to see the post. I would also recommend posting it to riaforge Marius. Good work! Greg On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please clear any systems for sale, classes for pay, etc. with me before sending to the list. I'd like to prevent the list from becoming a free-for-all where each hosting company and product advertises. Thank you. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Marius Milosav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everybody, I'm on cf-talk for a lng time and since I remember there were discussions (and complaints) about the lack of cf based open source applications. After some soul searching I have decided to release VICO solution as an open source application under the GPL3 license. VICO is a ColdFusion, multi-language enhanced CRM suite of applications that contains the following modules: *Virtual Help Desk (VHD)* is a very powerful Help Desk application. Some of the main VHD features: - rules based ticket creation by email - user defined escalation rules - SLA tracking - ticket flagging and updates by email - calendar dashboard view included are two separate modules for development purposes: Issue ticket (Bug Tracking) and Test Case *Virtual Sales Force (VSF)* - sales force management - lead, opportunity, quota and account management - calendar and contact management - expense, purchase order, VHD integration - available Outlook integration *Virtual Project Management (VPM)* full blown project management application - phase, task management - rule based project access - document management - resource allocation across multiple projects - template based project creation *Time Tracker* *Expense Management Invoice Purchase Order (PO) Administration Knowledge Base Portal Calendar* Currently it runs on CF8 with MS-SQL2000 or 2005 back end. A long time ago I had a few customers running it on Linux with Sybase and Oracle, but the last few versions were tested only on Windows and MS-SQL. I'm looking forward to your comments, suggestions, opinions and any ideas you may have to make this a very successful endeavor. There is a demo version that you can try: http://www.scorpiosoft.com/vicoDemo/ Regards Marius .. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311486 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: ANN: Open source ColdFusion CRM solution
I'm sorry Michael, you are right. Believe it or not my first impulse to contact you before hand. CfTalk is a rock solid list for CF development and should remain that way. Anybody who is interested in the first announcement please contact me of list. Thank you Marius -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 25, 2008 12:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ANN: Open source ColdFusion CRM solution Please clear any systems for sale, classes for pay, etc. with me before sending to the list. I'd like to prevent the list from becoming a free-for-all where each hosting company and product advertises. Thank you. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311487 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ANN: Open source ColdFusion CRM solution
I've always understood GPL3 to be free software. GPL doesn't require that software not be sold. It simply requires that you provide the source code when you do sell it. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311488 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: ANN: Open source ColdFusion CRM solution
This is really good. Thanks for sharing it. I honestly had no idea it existed. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311489 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: ANN: Open source ColdFusion CRM solution
GPL doesn't require that software not be sold. Well...either way, it seems that this instance of sharing/promoting/whatever has certainly been unfairly targeted and singled out with Don't do this without talking to me first when through the years there have been countless instances of others who have promoted their offerings, with many *only* for sale, to the community. I can understand Michael's concern about not wanting the list to become free-for-all marketplace and lose its identify, but the response to someone who, at first appearance, is simply deciding to graciously share something with this community, which has complained often and sometimes loudly, that there is nothing offered to the community that people aren't selling which keeps the popularity of CF down!, seems a bit heavy-handed. So, I guess the new policy is, that no one is to mention any product, open-source or closed, for sale or given freely, unless it has been approved first. Let's see how many follow that new policy and when they don't, how many get smacked because of it. Again, I'm not saying Michael's policy of wanting to screen all mentioned applications is wrong...it would help insure their quality, but I've just never (and that doesn't mean I haven't missed it along the way) seen any mention of said policy. We should all be watching for the disclaimer at the bottom of each message that promotes a product or service to the community under *any* license, that states this app has been approved for us to know about. Marius, assuming your intentions were good in sharing your CRM solution, I'm sorry that you had to bear the brunt of the announcement of the new policy in such a blunt manner. Hmmm...maybe: begin faux response to Marius Hi, Marius... Thanks for sharing the info about your CRM with the community and making it open source! (Does that mean without cost, as well?) Either way, it good to know it's out there. A note to the community: To keep the list from becoming a marketplace, please send all emails concerning products for use or sale, under all licenses, to me (Michael), for screening and approval for posting. Remember, too, when anyone asks for a product that might provide a solution to a problem, the product has to be screened before it can be mentioned on this list. /end of faux response to Marius Marius, I hope you weren't too put off by the response to your offering. It's appreciated! Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ANN: Open source ColdFusion CRM solution I've always understood GPL3 to be free software. GPL doesn't require that software not be sold. It simply requires that you provide the source code when you do sell it. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311498 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: ANN: Open source ColdFusion CRM solution
Well...either way, it seems that this instance of sharing/promoting/whatever has certainly been unfairly targeted and singled out with Don't do this without talking to me first when through the years there have been countless instances of others who have promoted their offerings, with many *only* for sale, to the community. Absolutely. But this is Mike D's list, and he can adjust the rules as he sees fit - just like I do on the lists I manage. I've almost certainly violated this policy in the past, but will do my best not to do so in the future. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311501 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: ANN: Open source ColdFusion CRM solution
Its not a matter of unfairly singled out as I have made the same request to a number of people in the past. Conferences and hosting companies have been the main ones but they have not been alone. When I saw the post with its full feature list and then a demo version, it yelled sales post to me. I prefer to review sales type posts before they are sent and to make sure that they are properly notes as being sales posts. I'd like to keep this list as technically specific as possible. I've deleted and moved threads in the past to try and keep the technical quality here. As for increasing the popularity of ColdFusion products, I'm not only all for it but I do what I can to help in various ways. In the latest Flex Authority, we did a review on two Flex information sites. Doing a product review where the product brings something to the community (rather than just a sales review) is well within the mission scope of the two journal lines (both online and in print). The main problem here is that the rebuke was public rather than private. I have to make one public once in a while to make sure people know what's going on. I'm sorry that Marius got hit with it. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311505 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ANN: Open source ColdFusion CRM solution
Please clear any systems for sale, classes for pay, etc. with me before sending to the list. I'd like to prevent the list from becoming a free-for-all where each hosting company and product advertises. Thank you. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Marius Milosav [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello Everybody, I'm on cf-talk for a lng time and since I remember there were discussions (and complaints) about the lack of cf based open source applications. After some soul searching I have decided to release VICO solution as an open source application under the GPL3 license. VICO is a ColdFusion, multi-language enhanced CRM suite of applications that contains the following modules: *Virtual Help Desk (VHD)* is a very powerful Help Desk application. Some of the main VHD features: - rules based ticket creation by email - user defined escalation rules - SLA tracking - ticket flagging and updates by email - calendar dashboard view included are two separate modules for development purposes: Issue ticket (Bug Tracking) and Test Case *Virtual Sales Force (VSF)* - sales force management - lead, opportunity, quota and account management - calendar and contact management - expense, purchase order, VHD integration - available Outlook integration *Virtual Project Management (VPM)* full blown project management application - phase, task management - rule based project access - document management - resource allocation across multiple projects - template based project creation *Time Tracker* *Expense Management Invoice Purchase Order (PO) Administration Knowledge Base Portal Calendar* Currently it runs on CF8 with MS-SQL2000 or 2005 back end. A long time ago I had a few customers running it on Linux with Sybase and Oracle, but the last few versions were tested only on Windows and MS-SQL. I'm looking forward to your comments, suggestions, opinions and any ideas you may have to make this a very successful endeavor. There is a demo version that you can try: http://www.scorpiosoft.com/vicoDemo/ Regards Marius .. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311485 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
