Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-31 Thread Russ Michaels

yes but only if not using sandboxes.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> > cfobject sure, but cfcontent ?
>
> CFCONTENT does pose a significant security risk (information leakage)
> in a shared environment - you can use it to fetch any file that CF can
> read.
>
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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-31 Thread Dave Watts

> cfobject sure, but cfcontent ?

CFCONTENT does pose a significant security risk (information leakage)
in a shared environment - you can use it to fetch any file that CF can
read.

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-31 Thread Russ Michaels

cfobject sure, but cfcontent ?

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:

>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Russ Michaels wrote:
> > well the only reason they could have all those tags disabled is because
> > they do not use security sandboxes, which would imply they are hosting
> with
> > the standard edition of ColdFusion, and tus have to disable any tag which
> > allows files to be read/written from the server.
>
> If that were the case they would disable tags like cffile and
> cfdirectory. Instead, what they have disabled are those tags that
> allows you to instantiate arbitrary Java/COM/.NET classes and run
> executables. (Plus cfdump which uses cfobject internally so would be
> broken if enabled.) Those are the tags that allow you to bypass even a
> properly configured security sandbox.
>
> Unfortunately sandboxes are imperfect and this is the price you pay if
> you have to share an instance with somebody else.
>
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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-31 Thread Bruce Sorge

Her husband is a Major in the Army. She works for DHS.


On Aug 31, 2012, at 7:32 AM, Scott Stewart  wrote:

> 
> She's only about 30 (ish) miles from where I'm living and she must be
> loaded... Great Falls is not a cheap area :)
> 
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I just looked it up and she is in great falls.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 4S.
>> 
>> On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Scott Stewart 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Where at in Alexandria?
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-31 Thread Jochem van Dieten

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Russ Michaels wrote:
> well the only reason they could have all those tags disabled is because
> they do not use security sandboxes, which would imply they are hosting with
> the standard edition of ColdFusion, and tus have to disable any tag which
> allows files to be read/written from the server.

If that were the case they would disable tags like cffile and
cfdirectory. Instead, what they have disabled are those tags that
allows you to instantiate arbitrary Java/COM/.NET classes and run
executables. (Plus cfdump which uses cfobject internally so would be
broken if enabled.) Those are the tags that allow you to bypass even a
properly configured security sandbox.

Unfortunately sandboxes are imperfect and this is the price you pay if
you have to share an instance with somebody else.

Jochem

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-31 Thread Scott Stewart

She's only about 30 (ish) miles from where I'm living and she must be
loaded... Great Falls is not a cheap area :)

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:

>
> I just looked it up and she is in great falls.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4S.
>
> On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Scott Stewart 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Where at in Alexandria?
> >
>
> 

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RE: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Eric Roberts

Didn't Ben Nadel come up with a way to invoke object when cfobject and
cfinvoke and creatobject were disabled?  It was a long time ago...


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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:10 PM
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Subject: Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT


Have they disabled createObject() (they probably have, though)

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
>
> So I discovered today that the hosting company that I am using has
disabled CFOBJECT, which sucks because the PayPal API that I am using uses
the CFOBJECT tag. Is there an alternative to this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
> 



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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Bruce Sorge

I just looked it up and she is in great falls. 

Sent from my iPhone 4S. 

On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Scott Stewart  wrote:

> 
> Where at in Alexandria?
> 

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stewart

Where at in Alexandria?

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:

>
> I'll do that. My sister lives in Alexandria now so when I get to Fort
> Benning GA. in October I plan to visit her soon. I'll hit you up when I am
> in the area.
>
> Bruce
> On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Scott Stewart 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > No problem, buy me a beer next time yer in DC
> >
>
>
> 

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Bruce Sorge

I'll do that. My sister lives in Alexandria now so when I get to Fort Benning 
GA. in October I plan to visit her soon. I'll hit you up when I am in the area.

Bruce
On Aug 30, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Scott Stewart  wrote:

> 
> No problem, buy me a beer next time yer in DC
> 


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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stewart

No problem, buy me a beer next time yer in DC

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:

>
> Thanks Scott, that worked perfectly.
>
> Bruce
> On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Scott Stewart 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > How is createObject() being used?
> > Based on this list you can use it to call ColdFusion components
> >
> > 
> >
>
>
> 

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Bruce Sorge

Thanks Scott, that worked perfectly.

Bruce
On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:24 PM, Scott Stewart  wrote:

> 
> How is createObject() being used?
> Based on this list you can use it to call ColdFusion components
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Bruce Sorge

I would Ben but the host is the clients choice, I have to live with it. 

Sent from my iPhone 4S. 

On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Ben Forta  wrote:

> 
> Bruce,
> 
> One word (well, ok, two words) - "dump them". Use a host that will give you
> full control over your own instance or virtual machine.
> 
> --- Ben
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:21 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT
> 
> 
> This is everything that they disabled:
> 
> On the shared ColdFusion servers you will have access to all tags and
> functions except for the following:
> 
> CF Tags:
> CFCOLLECTION
> CFCONTENT
> CFDUMP
> CFEXECUTE
> CFLOG
> CFOBJECT
> CFOBJECTCACHE
> CFREGISTRY
> 
> 
> CF Functions:
> SetProfileString
> CreateObject(COM)
> CreateObject(CORBA)
> CreateObject(JAVA)
> On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Have they disabled createObject() (they probably have, though)
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I discovered today that the hosting company that I am using has
> disabled CFOBJECT, which sucks because the PayPal API that I am using uses
> the CFOBJECT tag. Is there an alternative to this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Bruce
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Russ Michaels

well the only reason they could have all those tags disabled is because
they do not use security sandboxes, which would imply they are hosting with
the standard edition of ColdFusion, and tus have to disable any tag which
allows files to be read/written from the server.
This is really not viable for shared hosting, you really need to use
enterprise edition.
There are plenty of cf hosts out there who run enterprise and will allow
you to use those tags.

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Matt Quackenbush

Wow. I didn't even pay attention to the fact that cfdump is on their list.
That is asinine.


On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Leigh  wrote:

>
>> One word (well, ok, two words) - "dump them".
>
> I do not think he can .. CFDUMP is on the disabled list ;-)
>
>
> 

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RE: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Leigh

   > One word (well, ok, two words) - "dump them". 

I do not think he can .. CFDUMP is on the disabled list ;-)


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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Bruce Sorge

The legacy code on x.com

Sent from my iPhone 4S. 

On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Michael van Leest  wrote:

> 
> A bit of topic, but which Paypal api are you using??
> 
> 2012/8/30 Matt Quackenbush 
> 
>> 
>> Time for a new host. :-)
>> 
>> In the meantime, though, createObject( "Component" ) is not disabled,
>> according to that list. So you should be able to refactor and use that
>> instead of cfobject.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> This is everything that they disabled:
>>> 
>>> On the shared ColdFusion servers you will have access to all tags and
>>> functions except for the following:
>>> 
>>> CF Tags:
>>> CFCOLLECTION
>>> CFCONTENT
>>> CFDUMP
>>> CFEXECUTE
>>> CFLOG
>>> CFOBJECT
>>> CFOBJECTCACHE
>>> CFREGISTRY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> CF Functions:
>>> SetProfileString
>>> CreateObject(COM)
>>> CreateObject(CORBA)
>>> CreateObject(JAVA)
>>> On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz  wrote:
>>> 
 
 Have they disabled createObject() (they probably have, though)
 
 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
> 
> So I discovered today that the hosting company that I am using has
>>> disabled CFOBJECT, which sucks because the PayPal API that I am using
>> uses
>>> the CFOBJECT tag. Is there an alternative to this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
 
 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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RE: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Ben Forta

Bruce,

One word (well, ok, two words) - "dump them". Use a host that will give you
full control over your own instance or virtual machine.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:21 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT


This is everything that they disabled:

On the shared ColdFusion servers you will have access to all tags and
functions except for the following:

CF Tags:
CFCOLLECTION
CFCONTENT
CFDUMP
CFEXECUTE
CFLOG
CFOBJECT
CFOBJECTCACHE
CFREGISTRY


CF Functions:
SetProfileString
CreateObject(COM)
CreateObject(CORBA)
CreateObject(JAVA)
On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz  wrote:

> 
> Have they disabled createObject() (they probably have, though)
> 
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
>> 
>> So I discovered today that the hosting company that I am using has
disabled CFOBJECT, which sucks because the PayPal API that I am using uses
the CFOBJECT tag. Is there an alternative to this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Michael van Leest

A bit of topic, but which Paypal api are you using??

2012/8/30 Matt Quackenbush 

>
> Time for a new host. :-)
>
> In the meantime, though, createObject( "Component" ) is not disabled,
> according to that list. So you should be able to refactor and use that
> instead of cfobject.
>
> HTH
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
>
> >
> > This is everything that they disabled:
> >
> > On the shared ColdFusion servers you will have access to all tags and
> > functions except for the following:
> >
> > CF Tags:
> > CFCOLLECTION
> > CFCONTENT
> > CFDUMP
> > CFEXECUTE
> > CFLOG
> > CFOBJECT
> > CFOBJECTCACHE
> > CFREGISTRY
> >
> >
> > CF Functions:
> > SetProfileString
> > CreateObject(COM)
> > CreateObject(CORBA)
> > CreateObject(JAVA)
> > On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Have they disabled createObject() (they probably have, though)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> So I discovered today that the hosting company that I am using has
> > disabled CFOBJECT, which sucks because the PayPal API that I am using
> uses
> > the CFOBJECT tag. Is there an alternative to this?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Bruce
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Matt Quackenbush

Time for a new host. :-)

In the meantime, though, createObject( "Component" ) is not disabled,
according to that list. So you should be able to refactor and use that
instead of cfobject.

HTH


On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:

>
> This is everything that they disabled:
>
> On the shared ColdFusion servers you will have access to all tags and
> functions except for the following:
>
> CF Tags:
> CFCOLLECTION
> CFCONTENT
> CFDUMP
> CFEXECUTE
> CFLOG
> CFOBJECT
> CFOBJECTCACHE
> CFREGISTRY
>
>
> CF Functions:
> SetProfileString
> CreateObject(COM)
> CreateObject(CORBA)
> CreateObject(JAVA)
> On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz  wrote:
>
> >
> > Have they disabled createObject() (they probably have, though)
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
> >>
> >> So I discovered today that the hosting company that I am using has
> disabled CFOBJECT, which sucks because the PayPal API that I am using uses
> the CFOBJECT tag. Is there an alternative to this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stewart

How is createObject() being used?
Based on this list you can use it to call ColdFusion components



On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:

>
> This is everything that they disabled:
>
> On the shared ColdFusion servers you will have access to all tags and
> functions except for the following:
>
> CF Tags:
> CFCOLLECTION
> CFCONTENT
> CFDUMP
> CFEXECUTE
> CFLOG
> CFOBJECT
> CFOBJECTCACHE
> CFREGISTRY
>
>
> CF Functions:
> SetProfileString
> CreateObject(COM)
> CreateObject(CORBA)
> CreateObject(JAVA)
> On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz  wrote:
>
> >
> > Have they disabled createObject() (they probably have, though)
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
> >>
> >> So I discovered today that the hosting company that I am using has
> disabled CFOBJECT, which sucks because the PayPal API that I am using uses
> the CFOBJECT tag. Is there an alternative to this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Bruce Sorge

This is everything that they disabled:

On the shared ColdFusion servers you will have access to all tags and functions 
except for the following:

CF Tags:
CFCOLLECTION
CFCONTENT
CFDUMP
CFEXECUTE
CFLOG
CFOBJECT
CFOBJECTCACHE
CFREGISTRY


CF Functions:
SetProfileString
CreateObject(COM)
CreateObject(CORBA)
CreateObject(JAVA)
On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz  wrote:

> 
> Have they disabled createObject() (they probably have, though)
> 
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
>> 
>> So I discovered today that the hosting company that I am using has disabled 
>> CFOBJECT, which sucks because the PayPal API that I am using uses the 
>> CFOBJECT tag. Is there an alternative to this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stewart

try cfinvoke

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:

>
> So I discovered today that the hosting company that I am using has
> disabled CFOBJECT, which sucks because the PayPal API that I am using uses
> the CFOBJECT tag. Is there an alternative to this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
> 

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Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz

Have they disabled createObject() (they probably have, though)

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
>
> So I discovered today that the hosting company that I am using has disabled 
> CFOBJECT, which sucks because the PayPal API that I am using uses the 
> CFOBJECT tag. Is there an alternative to this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
> 

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