RE: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Nat Papovich]

Dave, you may not have gotten as far actually attempting to download the
64-bit JVM, but prior to 1.5, it's only available for Itanium, not AMD64. I
am running AMD64.

NAT

>From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:48:35 -0500
>
>> You mean "supports" as "officially supported", correct? I 
>> think this thread is more about "Is it possible to run CFMX 
>> on a 64-bit jvm".
>
>No, I mean "supports" as "actually works correctly". There are plenty of
>things in CFMX which stop working with any JVMs newer than 1.4.2_05.
>
>As for the 64-bit vs 32-bit part, I don't know. There is a 64-bit version
of
>1.4.2_05, though.
>
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RE: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Nat Papovich]

Apparently it works, but I've since given up:



NAT

Subject: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs
From: Dave Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:16:10 -0400

Try CF on Tomcat on a 1.5 64-bit jvm, I'm really interested to hear if it
works.

>I'm on digest, BTW...
>
>Both are the problem. 



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RE: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Dave Watts]

> Dave, would you mind noting the "plenty of things" you're referring
> to? I believe you've noted that CFLDAP stops working, but what else?
> Also, are these things OS-specific that you're aware of? Just curious.

You know, I really wish I had a complete list. Paul Hastings has mentioned a
bunch of things that have failed with newer JVMs. To the best of my
knowledge, none of these things appeared to be OS-specific.

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Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Dave Carabetta]

On 11/30/05, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You mean "supports" as "officially supported", correct? I
> > think this thread is more about "Is it possible to run CFMX
> > on a 64-bit jvm".
>
> No, I mean "supports" as "actually works correctly". There are plenty of
> things in CFMX which stop working with any JVMs newer than 1.4.2_05.
>
> As for the 64-bit vs 32-bit part, I don't know. There is a 64-bit version of
> 1.4.2_05, though.
>

Dave, would you mind noting the "plenty of things" you're referring
to? I believe you've noted that CFLDAP stops working, but what else?
Also, are these things OS-specific that you're aware of? Just curious.

Regards,
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RE: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Dave Watts]

> You mean "supports" as "officially supported", correct? I 
> think this thread is more about "Is it possible to run CFMX 
> on a 64-bit jvm".

No, I mean "supports" as "actually works correctly". There are plenty of
things in CFMX which stop working with any JVMs newer than 1.4.2_05.

As for the 64-bit vs 32-bit part, I don't know. There is a 64-bit version of
1.4.2_05, though.

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Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Dave Ross]

You mean "supports" as "officially supported", correct? I think this thread is 
more about "Is it possible to run CFMX on a 64-bit jvm".

>> Is JRun the problem or is CF? You could try running CF7 in 
>> J2EE config on top of Tomcat (which does run on J2SE 5.0 in 
>> 64bit mode nicely), or any other app server for that matter.
>
>JRun supports the 1.5 JVM, but CFMX doesn't.
>
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Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Dave Ross]

Try CF on Tomcat on a 1.5 64-bit jvm, I'm really interested to hear if it works.

>I'm on digest, BTW...
>
>Both are the problem. 
>
>As you mentioned, CF7 by default, comes with it's 1.4.2_05 32-bit version.
>So if I install that alone, it will run on 32-bit. If I separately install
>1.5 64-bit, and point CF to that java.home, it will not start, complaining
>about jvm.dll. 
>
>If I install Jrun first, then upgrade to U6 (which "supports" 1.5), then
>point it to 1.5 64-bit, it complains the same message.
>
>I have also gone so far as to install U6 into my
>server-embedded-whatever-you-call-it install of CF's runtime folder, which
>is the Jrun folder. 
>
>Nothing produces the desired effect. There is just an inconsistency with
>Jrun (standalone or embedded) responding to the 64-bit version of jvm.dll.
>Without either digging into Jrun or digging into the dll, I am quitting.
>
>NAT
>
>
>Subject: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs
>From: Dave Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:13:48 -0400
>Thread:
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messages&threadid=43
>495&forumid=4#225589
>
>Is JRun the problem or is CF? You could try running CF7 in J2EE config on
>top of Tomcat (which does run on J2SE 5.0 in 64bit mode nicely), or any
>other app server for that matter.
>
>If you get it to work, please allocate over 2gb of RAM to the JVM so I can
>be jealous.
>
>Thanks!
>
>-Dave
>
>> p.s. I should say that I know MM states that it won't work, and a lot 
>> of people say it won't work, but I'm interested if anyone is under the 
>> radar and does have it working.
>> 
>NAT

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RE: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Dave Watts]

> Is JRun the problem or is CF? You could try running CF7 in 
> J2EE config on top of Tomcat (which does run on J2SE 5.0 in 
> 64bit mode nicely), or any other app server for that matter.

JRun supports the 1.5 JVM, but CFMX doesn't.

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RE: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Nat Papovich]

I'm on digest, BTW...

Both are the problem. 

As you mentioned, CF7 by default, comes with it's 1.4.2_05 32-bit version.
So if I install that alone, it will run on 32-bit. If I separately install
1.5 64-bit, and point CF to that java.home, it will not start, complaining
about jvm.dll. 

If I install Jrun first, then upgrade to U6 (which "supports" 1.5), then
point it to 1.5 64-bit, it complains the same message.

I have also gone so far as to install U6 into my
server-embedded-whatever-you-call-it install of CF's runtime folder, which
is the Jrun folder. 

Nothing produces the desired effect. There is just an inconsistency with
Jrun (standalone or embedded) responding to the 64-bit version of jvm.dll.
Without either digging into Jrun or digging into the dll, I am quitting.

NAT


Subject: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs
From: Dave Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:13:48 -0400
Thread:
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messages&threadid=43
495&forumid=4#225589

Is JRun the problem or is CF? You could try running CF7 in J2EE config on
top of Tomcat (which does run on J2SE 5.0 in 64bit mode nicely), or any
other app server for that matter.

If you get it to work, please allocate over 2gb of RAM to the JVM so I can
be jealous.

Thanks!

-Dave

> p.s. I should say that I know MM states that it won't work, and a lot 
> of people say it won't work, but I'm interested if anyone is under the 
> radar and does have it working.
> 
NAT


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RE: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Paul]

Thanks for the clarification!

-Original Message-
From: Dave Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

The problem is that he's trying to run it on a 64-bit 5.0 JVM. I was asking
whether it was CF or JRun that was causing the issue, because you can run CF
on most J2EE app servers.

The default install of CF will use a 32bit 1.4.2 JVM even if installed on a
64-bit OS.

-Dave



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Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Dave Ross]

The problem is that he's trying to run it on a 64-bit 5.0 JVM. I was asking 
whether it was CF or JRun that was causing the issue, because you can run CF on 
most J2EE app servers.

The default install of CF will use a 32bit 1.4.2 JVM even if installed on a 
64-bit OS.

-Dave

>I'm so close to grasping this conversation...
>
>Does the original question mean that a default installation of CFMX 7.01
>will not run on Windows Server 64-bit?  Or is the problem simply because he
>is trying to run it w/ a pre-installed JRun install?
>
>Thanks...
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Dave Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:14 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs
>
>Is JRun the problem or is CF? You could try running CF7 in J2EE config on
>top of Tomcat (which does run on J2SE 5.0 in 64bit mode nicely), or any
>other app server for that matter.
>
>If you get it to work, please allocate over 2gb of RAM to the JVM so I can
>be jealous.
>
>Thanks!
>
>-Dave
>
>> p.s. I should say that I know MM states that it won't work, and a lot 
>> of people say it won't work, but I'm interested if anyone is under the 
>> radar and does have it working.
>> 
>NAT

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RE: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Paul]

I'm so close to grasping this conversation...

Does the original question mean that a default installation of CFMX 7.01
will not run on Windows Server 64-bit?  Or is the problem simply because he
is trying to run it w/ a pre-installed JRun install?

Thanks...

-Original Message-
From: Dave Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

Is JRun the problem or is CF? You could try running CF7 in J2EE config on
top of Tomcat (which does run on J2SE 5.0 in 64bit mode nicely), or any
other app server for that matter.

If you get it to work, please allocate over 2gb of RAM to the JVM so I can
be jealous.

Thanks!

-Dave

> p.s. I should say that I know MM states that it won't work, and a lot 
> of people say it won't work, but I'm interested if anyone is under the 
> radar and does have it working.
> 
NAT



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Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Dave Ross]

Is JRun the problem or is CF? You could try running CF7 in J2EE config on top 
of Tomcat (which does run on J2SE 5.0 in 64bit mode nicely), or any other app 
server for that matter.

If you get it to work, please allocate over 2gb of RAM to the JVM so I can be 
jealous.

Thanks!

-Dave

> p.s. I should say that I know MM states that it won't work, and a lot 
> of people say it won't work, but I'm interested if anyone is under the 
> radar and does have it working.
> 
NAT

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RE: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Dave Watts]

> > 1. Install J2SDK 1.5.0_05 AMD64 edition
> 
> that alone will give big chunks of cf the heebie-jeebies, 
> 64-bit OS or otherwise.

I'd pay good money for a complete list of JVM dependencies - the 1.4.2_05
JVM is just so damn old!

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Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Paul Hastings]

Nat Papovich wrote:
> 1. Install J2SDK 1.5.0_05 AMD64 edition

that alone will give big chunks of cf the heebie-jeebies, 64-bit OS or 
otherwise.

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Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Dave Carabetta]

On 11/28/05, Nat Papovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am running Win2k3 x64 on AMD64 and cannot get JRun4 U6 to use JVM 1.5 
> 64-bit. I keep getting the following error in cfusion-err.log (or 
> admin-err.log, when I try to start that service):
>
> Error loading: c:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.5.0_05\jre\bin\server\jvm.dll
>
> My steps were:
> 1. Install J2SDK 1.5.0_05 AMD64 edition
> 2. Install CFMX 7.01 with option #2, JRun server
> 3. Ran Updater 6 on Jrun 4
> 4. Point jvm.config java.home to the above JDK path
> 5. Attempt to start services
>
> Anyone have JRun operating under 64-bit JVM?
>

That's not supported and, as you saw, won't work I don't think:

http://www.macromedia.com/go/f760350a

Ben Forta did something similar a few months back to get CF/JRun up
and running. It might not be ideal, but this was his experience:

http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=A61BC32C-3048-80A9-EF40C1C41FA6A74A

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Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Nat Papovich]

p.s. I should say that I know MM states that it won't work, and a lot of people 
say it won't work, but I'm interested if anyone is under the radar and does 
have it working.

NAT

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Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Nat Papovich]

I am running Win2k3 x64 on AMD64 and cannot get JRun4 U6 to use JVM 1.5 64-bit. 
I keep getting the following error in cfusion-err.log (or admin-err.log, when I 
try to start that service):

Error loading: c:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.5.0_05\jre\bin\server\jvm.dll

My steps were:
1. Install J2SDK 1.5.0_05 AMD64 edition
2. Install CFMX 7.01 with option #2, JRun server
3. Ran Updater 6 on Jrun 4
4. Point jvm.config java.home to the above JDK path
5. Attempt to start services

Anyone have JRun operating under 64-bit JVM?

NAT

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Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Jorge Tejada]

>
>
> No, CF will not work on a 64-bit linux OS. I found out this helpful bit
> of information only after building the server and installing CF...
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=baec9c0c
>
> If you install RHEL4 in 32-bit mode then it will work.
>
> Tim.
>
>
ouch! :(, that's very bad.
But I wonder if I could install coldFusion on a Windows Server and doing NAT
to it from my Linux server,
do you think if doing this will give me any problems?


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RE: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Tim Blair]

Jorge,

> will it work on a linux 64-bit OS?, exactly RHEL4

No, CF will not work on a 64-bit linux OS.  I found out this helpful bit
of information only after building the server and installing CF...

http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=baec9c0c

If you install RHEL4 in 32-bit mode then it will work. 

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Re: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Jorge Tejada]

will it work on a linux 64-bit OS?, exactly RHEL4

On 11/3/05, Tim Blair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Will CF7 work on a 64-bit processor running with a 32-bit OS?
>
> The answer is yes: you just have to run a copy of the installer where
> the download hadn't aborted in the middle... Doh!
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RE: CF7 and 64-bit CPUs

[Tim Blair]

> Will CF7 work on a 64-bit processor running with a 32-bit OS?

The answer is yes: you just have to run a copy of the installer where
the download hadn't aborted in the middle...  Doh! 

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