Re: CFMX Memory Issue

[Christian Cantrell]

You just started getting this error after installing the additional  
RAM?  Does this other server that you mention also have 2.5gb of RAM?   
If you take the RAM out of the server, does ColdFusion then behave as  
expected?  What does a "Windows error 2" generally indicate?

Sorry to answer questions with more questions, but I have no idea what  
might be going on here.  ColdFusion can defiantly run with the amount  
of RAM that you are allocating, however I am not familiar enough with  
Windows servers to know what might be going wrong.  It sounds to me  
like it could just as likely be a Windows or even a hardware issue as a  
ColdFusion issue.  You might try posing information about the error to  
a Windows group or list.

As for Macromedia support options, you can find them here:

http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/

Christian

On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 09:19 AM, Joshua Miller wrote:

> I posted this last week but no one seemed to have any ideas, or the
> title wasn't interesting enough and I can't find any information
> anywhere about this problem, so I thought I'd repost.
>
> We recently added 1.5gb of RAM to our application server bringing the
> total to 2.5gb. I changed the JVM Max Memory setting in CFAdministrator
> but now I'm getting a Windows error 2 when CFMX starts and it's
> reporting to my Server Monitor software that the ColdFusion MX service
> is down. Everything works correctly (ie: can serve pages, etc.) but  
> CFMX
> isn't using the amount of memory I specified.
>
> I set the JVM Max Memory setting to 1664mb (we have plenty to afford
> this) and it tops out at around 600mb usage under heavy load and could
> use the additional memory that's been allocated.
>
> Even if I set the JVM Max Memory setting back to the default 512mb it
> still gives this error.
>
> I've double-checked the settings against another instance of CFMX
> running in another location and they're identical except for this value
> but one starts and the other won't. The only difference is I've never
> changed the setting on the other server.
>
> Anyone? Any Macromedians out there have a clue or know how I can get
> Email support from Macromedia?
>
> Joshua Miller
> Head Programmer / IT Manager
> Garrison Enterprises Inc.
> www.garrisonenterprises.net 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (704) 569-9044 ext. 254
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RE: CFMX Memory Issue

[Joshua Miller]

I dug out the error message, here's what it is - likely NOT a Windows
Error:

Error occurred during initialization of VM
Could not reserve enough space for object heap
Error occurred during initialization of VM
Could not reserve enough space for object heap listening on port 2901

I started getting this error after installing the RAM and changing the
setting in CFMX ... Didn't error until I tried to change the JVM Max
Memory setting. I know this to be true because my server monitor didn't
choke for the first 2 days the RAM was installed and the setting hadn't
been changed. The day I changed the setting I started getting bombed
with messages from the Server Monitor that CFMX service was down.

I know there is plenty of memory to allocate the 1664mb. If I change the
value back to 512 I still get the same problem. The other server has
only 384mb RAM (it's a development server that only I use) and it's set
to 512mb but I only have 384mb in that server. I know there's not enough
RAM to support 512mb to the JVM on that box, so why doesn't it choke
when starting with the JVM setting higher than the amount of RAM on that
system?

The server is at 3rd party host and as much as I would like to toy
around with removing memory, etc. they charge $65 an hour to do that
kind of thing - and it's a live server. I thought I'd ask some other
CF-ers before I went spending money on trying to fix something. 

As for the Macromedia Support - I have issues with paying $200+ to find
out why the CFMX Service errors because I change a setting in
CFAdministrator that shouldn't cause an error in the first place. There
is plenty of memory to support the change and the RAM is fine. I had the
hosting company verify that it was correctly installed and that nothing
else was failing as a result of the upgrade.

One other item to note is that we also added a second processor to the
machine when upgrading the memory ... But it seems unlikely that would
affect the VM heap memory allocation.

Anyone have any clues?

Joshua Miller
Head Programmer / IT Manager
Garrison Enterprises Inc.
www.garrisonenterprises.net
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-Original Message-
From: Brad Howerter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 2:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFMX Memory Issue


I have a similar problem with our server running CFMX.  If I try to
specify a JVM Max Memory setting greater than 1700MB, the coldFusion
service will not start; it errors with WIndows Error 2.  The server has
4 Gigs of memory, so 1800MB should be okay.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 09:19 AM, Joshua Miller wrote:

> I posted this last week but no one seemed to have any ideas, or the 
> title wasn't interesting enough and I can't find any information 
> anywhere about this problem, so I thought I'd repost.
>
> We recently added 1.5gb of RAM to our application server bringing the 
> total to 2.5gb. I changed the JVM Max Memory setting in 
> CFAdministrator but now I'm getting a Windows error 2 when CFMX starts

> and it's reporting to my Server Monitor software that the ColdFusion 
> MX service is down. Everything works correctly (ie: can serve pages,
etc.) but
> CFMX
> isn't using the amount of memory I specified.
>
> I set the JVM Max Memory setting to 1664mb (we have plenty to afford
> this) and it tops out at around 600mb usage under heavy load and could

> use the additional memory that's been allocated.
>
> Even if I set the JVM Max Memory setting back to the default 512mb it 
> still gives this error.
>
> I've double-checked the settings against another instance of CFMX 
> running in another location and they're identical except for this 
> value but one starts and the other won't. The only difference is I've 
> never changed the setting on the other server.
>
> Anyone? Any Macromedians out there have a clue or know how I can get 
> Email support from Macromedia?
>
> Joshua Miller
> Head Programmer / IT Manager
> Garrison Enterprises Inc.
> www.garrisonenterprises.net 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (704) 569-9044 ext. 254

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Re: CFMX Memory Issue

[Jesse Houwing]

Joshua Miller wrote:

>I dug out the error message, here's what it is - likely NOT a Windows
>Error:
>
>Error occurred during initialization of VM
>Could not reserve enough space for object heap
>Error occurred during initialization of VM
>Could not reserve enough space for object heap listening on port 2901
>
>I started getting this error after installing the RAM and changing the
>setting in CFMX ... Didn't error until I tried to change the JVM Max
>Memory setting. I know this to be true because my server monitor didn't
>choke for the first 2 days the RAM was installed and the setting hadn't
>been changed. The day I changed the setting I started getting bombed
>with messages from the Server Monitor that CFMX service was down.
>
>I know there is plenty of memory to allocate the 1664mb. If I change the
>value back to 512 I still get the same problem. The other server has
>only 384mb RAM (it's a development server that only I use) and it's set
>to 512mb but I only have 384mb in that server. I know there's not enough
>RAM to support 512mb to the JVM on that box, so why doesn't it choke
>when starting with the JVM setting higher than the amount of RAM on that
>system?
>
>The server is at 3rd party host and as much as I would like to toy
>around with removing memory, etc. they charge $65 an hour to do that
>kind of thing - and it's a live server. I thought I'd ask some other
>CF-ers before I went spending money on trying to fix something. 
>
>As for the Macromedia Support - I have issues with paying $200+ to find
>out why the CFMX Service errors because I change a setting in
>CFAdministrator that shouldn't cause an error in the first place. There
>is plenty of memory to support the change and the RAM is fine. I had the
>hosting company verify that it was correctly installed and that nothing
>else was failing as a result of the upgrade.
>
>One other item to note is that we also added a second processor to the
>machine when upgrading the memory ... But it seems unlikely that would
>affect the VM heap memory allocation.
>
>Anyone have any clues?
>
>Joshua Miller
>  
>
Have you tried a different JVM? Sun's JDK 1.4 or JRockit 7.0?

Maybe they won't error out with such an abundance of memory

Jesse

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Re: CFMX Memory Issue

[Jochem van Dieten]

Joshua Miller wrote:
> I dug out the error message, here's what it is - likely NOT a Windows
> Error:
> 
> Error occurred during initialization of VM
> Could not reserve enough space for object heap
> Error occurred during initialization of VM
> Could not reserve enough space for object heap listening on port 2901

What is that port 2901 doing there? Can you dig out if any weird ports 
are used somewhere? Do you have the CF MX ODBC services running? Do you 
need them to run?

Jochem

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RE: CFMX Memory Issue

[Debbie Dickerson]

ColdFusion MX: TCP/IP Ports Used
http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=23518&Method=Full

2901 is listed as the port for JNDI.

Deb

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX Memory Issue


Honestly I have no idea what port 2901 is doing in there. This is a
default install of CFMX and I just assumed it was something that CF used
internally.

Port 2901 is something called ALLSTORCNS (http://keir.net/portlist.html)
and has TCP and UDP associations. A quick search on Google for
ALLSTORCNS returns nothing of much use, just confirmation that it's
typically on port 2901.

A quick Port Scan of my server shows it's open, same for my other
Windows2K Server, but not true for my WindowsXP Pro machine (not running
CFMX). It's also open on my RedHat 7.3 machine that has the Developer
Edition of CFMX installed. Scanning my Mac OSX machine with CFMX J2EE
shows the port is closed.

Thinking this may have something to do with CFMX I started port scanning
servers I know run CF - it's not open on all of the servers, so I'm not
sure if it's related to CFMX or not. Anyone @macromedia.com know if this
is something related to CFMX or is this something different altogether?

I DO have the CFMX ODBC service running - it's installed by default and
I assumed it was required. We connect to a MS SQL Server 2000 server and
1 or 2 small Access databases, is the ODBC service not required when
using these RDBMS?

All that's running on our server currently is:
CFMX with the latest updater
IIS 5
iMail 7
SQL Server 2000 - Running on the second processor for data backups only
- we use a separate SQL box for our live databases.

If I stop services for SQL Server and iMail I still get the same
results.

Joshua Miller
Head Programmer / IT Manager
Garrison Enterprises Inc.
www.garrisonenterprises.net
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-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX Memory Issue


Joshua Miller wrote:
> I dug out the error message, here's what it is - likely NOT a Windows
> Error:
> 
> Error occurred during initialization of VM
> Could not reserve enough space for object heap
> Error occurred during initialization of VM
> Could not reserve enough space for object heap listening on port 2901

What is that port 2901 doing there? Can you dig out if any weird ports 
are used somewhere? Do you have the CF MX ODBC services running? Do you 
need them to run?

Jochem



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Re: CFMX Memory Issue

[Jochem van Dieten]

Joshua Miller wrote:
> Honestly I have no idea what port 2901 is doing in there. This is a
> default install of CFMX and I just assumed it was something that CF used
> internally.

http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=12&threadid=430911
http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=12&threadid=442570


> I DO have the CFMX ODBC service running - it's installed by default and
> I assumed it was required. We connect to a MS SQL Server 2000 server and
> 1 or 2 small Access databases, is the ODBC service not required when
> using these RDBMS?

Depends on which drivers you are using. If you are not using the 
JDBC-ODBC bridge you should be able to shut it down (disabling 
unnecessary services is always good).

Jochem

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RE: CFMX Memory Issue

[Joshua Miller]

I guess I could give that a shot. I've heard Jrockit is best for Windows
servers, is this true?

Joshua Miller
Head Programmer / IT Manager
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-Original Message-
From: Jesse Houwing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 3:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX Memory Issue


Joshua Miller wrote:

>I dug out the error message, here's what it is - likely NOT a Windows
>Error:
>
>Error occurred during initialization of VM
>Could not reserve enough space for object heap
>Error occurred during initialization of VM
>Could not reserve enough space for object heap listening on port 2901
>
>I started getting this error after installing the RAM and changing the 
>setting in CFMX ... Didn't error until I tried to change the JVM Max 
>Memory setting. I know this to be true because my server monitor didn't

>choke for the first 2 days the RAM was installed and the setting hadn't

>been changed. The day I changed the setting I started getting bombed 
>with messages from the Server Monitor that CFMX service was down.
>
>I know there is plenty of memory to allocate the 1664mb. If I change 
>the value back to 512 I still get the same problem. The other server 
>has only 384mb RAM (it's a development server that only I use) and it's

>set to 512mb but I only have 384mb in that server. I know there's not 
>enough RAM to support 512mb to the JVM on that box, so why doesn't it 
>choke when starting with the JVM setting higher than the amount of RAM 
>on that system?
>
>The server is at 3rd party host and as much as I would like to toy 
>around with removing memory, etc. they charge $65 an hour to do that 
>kind of thing - and it's a live server. I thought I'd ask some other 
>CF-ers before I went spending money on trying to fix something.
>
>As for the Macromedia Support - I have issues with paying $200+ to find

>out why the CFMX Service errors because I change a setting in 
>CFAdministrator that shouldn't cause an error in the first place. There

>is plenty of memory to support the change and the RAM is fine. I had 
>the hosting company verify that it was correctly installed and that 
>nothing else was failing as a result of the upgrade.
>
>One other item to note is that we also added a second processor to the 
>machine when upgrading the memory ... But it seems unlikely that would 
>affect the VM heap memory allocation.
>
>Anyone have any clues?
>
>Joshua Miller
>  
>
Have you tried a different JVM? Sun's JDK 1.4 or JRockit 7.0?

Maybe they won't error out with such an abundance of memory

Jesse


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