RE: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-21 Thread Rick Faircloth
Thanks, Zaphod...

I areadyhave vmWare player installed, so I'll give this
appliance a look-over.

Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 12:37 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE
 
 This one.
 
 http://www.young-technologies.com/Software/Subversion-Virtual-Machine/
 
 
 
 On 10/20/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Which subversion appliance are you using?
 
  Rick
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:39 PM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE
  
   I've started using a subversion vmware appliance in the free vmware
   player.  Best of both worlds there.
  




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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Jo�o_Fernandes
Rick

If you want to get started with CFEclipse, take a look into Mark Drew 
MAX presentation about CFEclipse that I just posted on my blog.
http://www.onflexwithcf.org/index.cfm/2007/10/20/Using-Eclipse-for-ColdFusion-Development--Videos

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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Brian Kotek
I was going to say the same thing. This issue isn't really a case of
Homesite vs. Eclipse, it's about always, always, always using source
control. Always.


On 10/19/07, Paul Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
  write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
  again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.

 Source control, Source control, Source control or to put it more
 concisely,
 SVN, SVN, SVN!

 There are some great Subversion plugins for CFEclipse :-) Subclipse is the
 one I believe most of the CFEclipse users use...

 Paul



 

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RE: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Robert Rawlins - Think Blue
This is very true Brian, I agree whole heartedly,

However, in the past I've always found subversion a total pain in the arse
to setup and configure, it's just very confusing. My guess is that this
stems from the fact that it was seemingly developed with Linux in mind, with
command lines and compiling binaries, if they made it a little more
intuitive to people (I suspect a large number of new developers will opt for
windows OS as its 'what they know'), instead of the linuxy style methods
they've used, I'm sure it would be more widely adopted by less experienced
developers.

It reminds me of the same reason why so many people pick up the bad habit of
developing using access databases, it's simply because to a beginner
developer they seem more accessible than a proper DBMS, As a novice
developer trying to figure out installation and configuration of MySQL or
SQL Server is quite confusing, especially when you have to setup management
studio or phpMyAdmin, whereas the concept of a single file which can be
easily created in a nice desktop based GUI is very simple to grasp, so most
novice developers will start with access, especially considering all that
functionality comes 'out of the box' with m$ office.

I completely agree that source control through a proper SVN approach will
pay dividends, but it's just one of those concepts that isn't 

A) Publicised to people properly, if you mention subversion to most amateur
developers they would stare blankly back at you, however, ftp is very
familiar. 

And.

B) Accessible and simple enough to implement, even with these 'one touch'
style solutions that subversion released for windows users.

They're just my thoughts,

Another quick gripe is with some of the guides and support documents I've
read in the past, they're always typical Linux user style blog posts and
forum remarks, showing a total lack of sympathy toward new and learning
developers, making wide sweeping statements like 'and then simply update
your system environment variables, and you're done!'... amateur users won't
have a clue what you're on about, even someone whom is reasonably
experienced with Linux development finds that stuff confusing.

Heh, man I'm in a tired and grouchy mood today, can you tell? Lol

Sorry for the rantish post chaps,

Rob

-Original Message-
From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 20 October 2007 15:43
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

I was going to say the same thing. This issue isn't really a case of
Homesite vs. Eclipse, it's about always, always, always using source
control. Always.


On 10/19/07, Paul Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
  write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
  again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.

 Source control, Source control, Source control or to put it more
 concisely,
 SVN, SVN, SVN!

 There are some great Subversion plugins for CFEclipse :-) Subclipse is the
 one I believe most of the CFEclipse users use...

 Paul



 



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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Brian Kotek
If you happen to be on Windows, setting up Subversion is as simple as
clicking one button:

http://svn1clicksetup.tigris.org/

:-)

On 10/20/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is very true Brian, I agree whole heartedly,

 However, in the past I've always found subversion a total pain in the arse
 to setup and configure, it's just very confusing.


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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Brian Kotek
D'oh, answered before I saw your note about the one click installers.

I agree that learning to use version control is a bit of a hurdle initially.
However, I'd say that it is something that you simply HAVE to learn. Anyone
who isn't using it should simply accept that need to do this (even if it's
just because everyone else is doing it, because in this case everyone
else is right). The benefits to doing so, and the risks of not doing so,
are simply irrefutable. And, honestly, it's really not that difficult to get
going with it.

As for docs, I used http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ early on. But with the
built-in SVN tools for Eclipse and Windows/OSX, pulling and committing to
the repository is really pretty straightforward (right click  commit.
done!)



On 10/20/07, Robert Rawlins - Think Blue 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 A) Publicised to people properly, if you mention subversion to most
 amateur
 developers they would stare blankly back at you, however, ftp is very
 familiar.

 And.

 B) Accessible and simple enough to implement, even with these 'one touch'
 style solutions that subversion released for windows users.

 They're just my thoughts,

 Another quick gripe is with some of the guides and support documents I've
 read in the past, they're always typical Linux user style blog posts and
 forum remarks, showing a total lack of sympathy toward new and learning
 developers, making wide sweeping statements like 'and then simply update
 your system environment variables, and you're done!'... amateur users
 won't
 have a clue what you're on about, even someone whom is reasonably
 experienced with Linux development finds that stuff confusing.

 Heh, man I'm in a tired and grouchy mood today, can you tell? Lol

 Sorry for the rantish post chaps,

 Rob




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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Aaron Rouse
Source control is ones best friend but depending on the environments you
work in, it can be a task to try and get it up and running.  Most of the
places I do work for they do not run any form(or a form worth mentioning) of
source control on their servers.  Some of the places they have the laptops
that are provided to do the coding on, locked down to the point where you
could not just make it act like some sort of stand alone server so it does
all the things you wish the servers out of your control could do.

On 10/19/07, Paul Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
  write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
  again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.

 Source control, Source control, Source control or to put it more
 concisely,
 SVN, SVN, SVN!

 There are some great Subversion plugins for CFEclipse :-) Subclipse is the
 one I believe most of the CFEclipse users use...

 Paul



 

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RE: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Yeah...until he gets the error that stops the interface from
loading...hehehe

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

richard, meet cfeclipse.  cfeclipse, meet richard.

this is going to be the start of a beautiful relationship.

On 10/19/07, Richard Colman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
 write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
 again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.

 What a piece of crap.

 Rick Colman

 



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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Cutter (CF Related)
It can be confusing. Fortunately other's have gone before you on this road.

http://www.trajiklyhip.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/3/12/Configuring-a-Development-Environment-with-Apache-Subversion-TortoiseSVN-and-Subclipse

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Robert Rawlins - Think Blue wrote:
 This is very true Brian, I agree whole heartedly,

 However, in the past I've always found subversion a total pain in the arse
 to setup and configure, it's just very confusing. My guess is that this
 stems from the fact that it was seemingly developed with Linux in mind, with
 command lines and compiling binaries, if they made it a little more
 intuitive to people (I suspect a large number of new developers will opt for
 windows OS as its 'what they know'), instead of the linuxy style methods
 they've used, I'm sure it would be more widely adopted by less experienced
 developers.

 It reminds me of the same reason why so many people pick up the bad habit of
 developing using access databases, it's simply because to a beginner
 developer they seem more accessible than a proper DBMS, As a novice
 developer trying to figure out installation and configuration of MySQL or
 SQL Server is quite confusing, especially when you have to setup management
 studio or phpMyAdmin, whereas the concept of a single file which can be
 easily created in a nice desktop based GUI is very simple to grasp, so most
 novice developers will start with access, especially considering all that
 functionality comes 'out of the box' with m$ office.

 I completely agree that source control through a proper SVN approach will
 pay dividends, but it's just one of those concepts that isn't 

 A) Publicised to people properly, if you mention subversion to most amateur
 developers they would stare blankly back at you, however, ftp is very
 familiar. 

 And.

 B) Accessible and simple enough to implement, even with these 'one touch'
 style solutions that subversion released for windows users.

 They're just my thoughts,

 Another quick gripe is with some of the guides and support documents I've
 read in the past, they're always typical Linux user style blog posts and
 forum remarks, showing a total lack of sympathy toward new and learning
 developers, making wide sweeping statements like 'and then simply update
 your system environment variables, and you're done!'... amateur users won't
 have a clue what you're on about, even someone whom is reasonably
 experienced with Linux development finds that stuff confusing.

 Heh, man I'm in a tired and grouchy mood today, can you tell? Lol

 Sorry for the rantish post chaps,

 Rob

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 20 October 2007 15:43
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

 I was going to say the same thing. This issue isn't really a case of
 Homesite vs. Eclipse, it's about always, always, always using source
 control. Always.


 On 10/19/07, Paul Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
 write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
 again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.
   
 Source control, Source control, Source control or to put it more
 concisely,
 SVN, SVN, SVN!

 There are some great Subversion plugins for CFEclipse :-) Subclipse is the
 one I believe most of the CFEclipse users use...

 Paul




 



 

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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread David McCan
Death to HomeSite+?  You may have gotten your wish.  I got a copy of the web 
CS3 suite with Dreamweaver and could not find a copy of HomeSite+.  It had come 
bundled with previous versions of Dreamweaver. 

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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I've started using a subversion vmware appliance in the free vmware
player.  Best of both worlds there.



On 10/20/07, Cutter (CF Related) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It can be confusing. Fortunately other's have gone before you on this road.

 http://www.trajiklyhip.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/3/12/Configuring-a-Development-Environment-with-Apache-Subversion-TortoiseSVN-and-Subclipse

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 Adobe Certified Expert
 Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
 
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 Robert Rawlins - Think Blue wrote:
  This is very true Brian, I agree whole heartedly,
 
  However, in the past I've always found subversion a total pain in the arse
  to setup and configure, it's just very confusing. My guess is that this
  stems from the fact that it was seemingly developed with Linux in mind, with
  command lines and compiling binaries, if they made it a little more
  intuitive to people (I suspect a large number of new developers will opt for
  windows OS as its 'what they know'), instead of the linuxy style methods
  they've used, I'm sure it would be more widely adopted by less experienced
  developers.
 
  It reminds me of the same reason why so many people pick up the bad habit of
  developing using access databases, it's simply because to a beginner
  developer they seem more accessible than a proper DBMS, As a novice
  developer trying to figure out installation and configuration of MySQL or
  SQL Server is quite confusing, especially when you have to setup management
  studio or phpMyAdmin, whereas the concept of a single file which can be
  easily created in a nice desktop based GUI is very simple to grasp, so most
  novice developers will start with access, especially considering all that
  functionality comes 'out of the box' with m$ office.
 
  I completely agree that source control through a proper SVN approach will
  pay dividends, but it's just one of those concepts that isn't
 
  A) Publicised to people properly, if you mention subversion to most amateur
  developers they would stare blankly back at you, however, ftp is very
  familiar.
 
  And.
 
  B) Accessible and simple enough to implement, even with these 'one touch'
  style solutions that subversion released for windows users.
 
  They're just my thoughts,
 
  Another quick gripe is with some of the guides and support documents I've
  read in the past, they're always typical Linux user style blog posts and
  forum remarks, showing a total lack of sympathy toward new and learning
  developers, making wide sweeping statements like 'and then simply update
  your system environment variables, and you're done!'... amateur users won't
  have a clue what you're on about, even someone whom is reasonably
  experienced with Linux development finds that stuff confusing.
 
  Heh, man I'm in a tired and grouchy mood today, can you tell? Lol
 
  Sorry for the rantish post chaps,
 
  Rob
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 20 October 2007 15:43
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE
 
  I was going to say the same thing. This issue isn't really a case of
  Homesite vs. Eclipse, it's about always, always, always using source
  control. Always.
 
 
  On 10/19/07, Paul Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
  write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
  again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.
 
  Source control, Source control, Source control or to put it more
  concisely,
  SVN, SVN, SVN!
 
  There are some great Subversion plugins for CFEclipse :-) Subclipse is the
  one I believe most of the CFEclipse users use...
 
  Paul
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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RE: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Rick Faircloth
Which subversion appliance are you using?

Rick

 -Original Message-
 From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:39 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE
 
 I've started using a subversion vmware appliance in the free vmware
 player.  Best of both worlds there.
 
 
 




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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-20 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
This one.

http://www.young-technologies.com/Software/Subversion-Virtual-Machine/



On 10/20/07, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Which subversion appliance are you using?

 Rick

  -Original Message-
  From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:39 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE
 
  I've started using a subversion vmware appliance in the free vmware
  player.  Best of both worlds there.
 
 
 




 

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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-19 Thread Charlie Griefer
richard, meet cfeclipse.  cfeclipse, meet richard.

this is going to be the start of a beautiful relationship.

On 10/19/07, Richard Colman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
 write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
 again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.

 What a piece of crap.

 Rick Colman

 

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RE: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-19 Thread Richard Colman
I fall prey to making quick updates directly on the server for
low-volume/low-usage applications. My BAD ...

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From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

 F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN).

Are you really editing files directly on your server?
I never do that, always develop on my working station, with CF 5 and
CFMX installed.
When everything looks ok, I update the server by FTP.

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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-19 Thread Rey Bango
Richard,

Look to see if your homesite install dir has an AutoBackup dir. If it 
does, your file may be in there.

Rey...

Richard Colman wrote:
 I fall prey to making quick updates directly on the server for
 low-volume/low-usage applications. My BAD ...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:30 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: DEATH to HOMESITE
 
  F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN).
 
 Are you really editing files directly on your server?
 I never do that, always develop on my working station, with CF 5 and
 CFMX installed.
 When everything looks ok, I update the server by FTP.
 
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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-19 Thread J.J. Merrick
n Richard meet subversion... subversion richard :-)




On 10/19/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 richard, meet cfeclipse.  cfeclipse, meet richard.

 this is going to be the start of a beautiful relationship.

 On 10/19/07, Richard Colman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
  write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
  again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.
 
  What a piece of crap.
 
  Rick Colman
 
 

 

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RE: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-19 Thread Paul Vernon
 F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
 write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
 again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.

Source control, Source control, Source control or to put it more concisely,
SVN, SVN, SVN!

There are some great Subversion plugins for CFEclipse :-) Subclipse is the
one I believe most of the CFEclipse users use...

Paul



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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-19 Thread Chris Jordan
LOL! :o)

On 10/19/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 richard, meet cfeclipse.  cfeclipse, meet richard.

 this is going to be the start of a beautiful relationship.

 On 10/19/07, Richard Colman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
  write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
  again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.
 
  What a piece of crap.
 
  Rick Colman
 
 

 

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RE: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-19 Thread Nick Call
Rick, don't panic yet. This has happened to me countless times before.
There's a .tmp file somewhere on your hard drive with the source code for
the page(s) you were trying to save when the Homesite+'s FTP interface
pukes. All you have to do is find them. I regret that I cannot remember
exactly where I found them. 

Good Luck.
Nick


-Original Message-
From: Richard Colman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: DEATH to HOMESITE

F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN). I do a file
write, it hangs, and I have to kill HomeSite. When I start homesite
again, guess what, the file is gone from the server.

What a piece of crap.

Rick Colman



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Re: DEATH to HOMESITE

2007-10-19 Thread Claude Schneegans
 F*cking HomeSite+ wiped out my file on the server (AGAIN).

Are you really editing files directly on your server?
I never do that, always develop on my working station, with CF 5 and 
CFMX installed.
When everything looks ok, I update the server by FTP.

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