RE: FTP; non-techies using
Thanks. I was hoping to avoid the applet route, but I guess I don't have a choice here. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dennis Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using >> upload an entire directory at a >> time and have some sort of idea of how >> long it's going to take >> Is my only option here a java applet? When doing an HTTP upload I don't believe that there is any way for the server to know how large the file is until it is uploaded so server side scripting will not accomplish what you want. So to answer your question: Yes a java or activeX applet is most likely your only solution. A Quick search in google turned up these: http://www.jscape.com/ftpapplet/ http://fileup.softartisans.com/default.aspx?PageID=136 http://www.catalyst.com/products/filetransfer/index.html Best regards, Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A Web Design and Hosting Company Wolcott, CT 06716 USA tel: (203)879-2844 fax: (203)879-6254 http://www.uxbinternet.com/ http://dennis.uxb.net/ -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using Right, however, there are a number of issues with that method which make it a little less than desirable. First the user is limited to the number of I choose to display on the form. Secondly there is no way to monitor file upload progress. Most users would assume that something is wrong if they have to wait 10 minutes while the browser uploads the file in the background without a page refresh or progress bar. Basically I want the user to be able to upload an entire directory at a time and have some sort of idea of how long it's going to take and whatnot. Is my only option here a java applet? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using I seem to remember a tag that could do this in the MM Exchange. Making a form page to upload multiple files should be easy though. -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using How does everyone handle uploading multiple files at once? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using Just to clarify, On those sites, the client DOES have CFFile capability, as I do build that into every ecommerce site I create as part of the Add and Modify Product pages. It's just that when they upload fifty or 100 products at a shot using my web based data entry system, (data entry is fast) having to "browse" for ever Thumbnail, every larger view image , then wait for these to upload before moving on to the next product and so forth is a HUGE pain in their butt. So I don't have any problem offering them FTP as well as the cffile function (with restrictions and contractual coverage). Offering BOTH where it makes sense, with my previous caveats, is the only way to go from a professional perspective that covers your needs and theirs. Take it a step further, check the file dimensions and auto-downsize on the fly if it's too big for the wonderful front end you'll design. Custom Cold Fusion tags in the tag gallery - gotta love em! At 02:44 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: >Good point Rafael. > >-Original Message- >From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:36 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: FTP; non-techies using > >Very good question - some long term experience here: > >I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds >or >thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a >larger >view image... Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this >(he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store >site)... > >Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions >and >image dimension parameters do you have set up? I provide the specific >info >in writing to them. > >I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory > >that the front end site points to. In that sub, there's a directory for > >Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... > >Because
RE: FTP; non-techies using
>> upload an entire directory at a >> time and have some sort of idea of how >> long it's going to take >> Is my only option here a java applet? When doing an HTTP upload I dont believe that there is any way for the server to know how large the file is until it is uploaded so server side scripting will not accomplish what you want. So to answer your question: Yes a java or activeX applet is most likely your only solution. A Quick search in google turned up these: http://www.jscape.com/ftpapplet/ http://fileup.softartisans.com/default.aspx?PageID=136 http://www.catalyst.com/products/filetransfer/index.html Best regards, Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A Web Design and Hosting Company Wolcott, CT 06716 USA tel: (203)879-2844 fax: (203)879-6254 http://www.uxbinternet.com/ http://dennis.uxb.net/ -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using Right, however, there are a number of issues with that method which make it a little less than desirable. First the user is limited to the number of I choose to display on the form. Secondly there is no way to monitor file upload progress. Most users would assume that something is wrong if they have to wait 10 minutes while the browser uploads the file in the background without a page refresh or progress bar. Basically I want the user to be able to upload an entire directory at a time and have some sort of idea of how long it's going to take and whatnot. Is my only option here a java applet? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using I seem to remember a tag that could do this in the MM Exchange. Making a form page to upload multiple files should be easy though. -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using How does everyone handle uploading multiple files at once? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using Just to clarify, On those sites, the client DOES have CFFile capability, as I do build that into every ecommerce site I create as part of the Add and Modify Product pages. It's just that when they upload fifty or 100 products at a shot using my web based data entry system, (data entry is fast) having to "browse" for ever Thumbnail, every larger view image , then wait for these to upload before moving on to the next product and so forth is a HUGE pain in their butt. So I don't have any problem offering them FTP as well as the cffile function (with restrictions and contractual coverage). Offering BOTH where it makes sense, with my previous caveats, is the only way to go from a professional perspective that covers your needs and theirs. Take it a step further, check the file dimensions and auto-downsize on the fly if it's too big for the wonderful front end you'll design. Custom Cold Fusion tags in the tag gallery - gotta love em! At 02:44 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: >Good point Rafael. > >-Original Message- >From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:36 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: FTP; non-techies using > >Very good question - some long term experience here: > >I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds >or >thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a >larger >view image... Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this >(he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store >site)... > >Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions >and >image dimension parameters do you have set up? I provide the specific >info >in writing to them. > >I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory > >that the front end site points to. In that sub, there's a directory for > >Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... > >Because they're not using cffile, I cant guarantee the image name will >match on a field in the database, so I've informed them that if they >post >an image and it's not showing up, it's on their dime if I need to Figure >it >Out or Fix it. > >HERE's one - Client owns a Luggage site. Gets his images on CD from >each >of his manufacturers.
RE: FTP; non-techies using
Right, however, there are a number of issues with that method which make it a little less than desirable. First the user is limited to the number of I choose to display on the form. Secondly there is no way to monitor file upload progress. Most users would assume that something is wrong if they have to wait 10 minutes while the browser uploads the file in the background without a page refresh or progress bar. Basically I want the user to be able to upload an entire directory at a time and have some sort of idea of how long it's going to take and whatnot. Is my only option here a java applet? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using I seem to remember a tag that could do this in the MM Exchange. Making a form page to upload multiple files should be easy though. -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using How does everyone handle uploading multiple files at once? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using Just to clarify, On those sites, the client DOES have CFFile capability, as I do build that into every ecommerce site I create as part of the Add and Modify Product pages. It's just that when they upload fifty or 100 products at a shot using my web based data entry system, (data entry is fast) having to "browse" for ever Thumbnail, every larger view image , then wait for these to upload before moving on to the next product and so forth is a HUGE pain in their butt. So I don't have any problem offering them FTP as well as the cffile function (with restrictions and contractual coverage). Offering BOTH where it makes sense, with my previous caveats, is the only way to go from a professional perspective that covers your needs and theirs. Take it a step further, check the file dimensions and auto-downsize on the fly if it's too big for the wonderful front end you'll design. Custom Cold Fusion tags in the tag gallery - gotta love em! At 02:44 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: >Good point Rafael. > >-Original Message- >From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:36 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: FTP; non-techies using > >Very good question - some long term experience here: > >I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds >or >thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a >larger >view image... Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this >(he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store >site)... > >Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions >and >image dimension parameters do you have set up? I provide the specific >info >in writing to them. > >I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory > >that the front end site points to. In that sub, there's a directory for > >Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... > >Because they're not using cffile, I cant guarantee the image name will >match on a field in the database, so I've informed them that if they >post >an image and it's not showing up, it's on their dime if I need to Figure >it >Out or Fix it. > >HERE's one - Client owns a Luggage site. Gets his images on CD from >each >of his manufacturers. SOME are JPG already, some are GIF, and some are > >TIFF. >OH YEAH - Some of those JPG files - they're not RGB / Web enabled Jpgs, >they're CMYK JPGs so some browsers dont display them at all , some do, >and >some display only half the layering. > >Guess who had to figure that out, and then TRAIN the client on >conversion? I did, for a FEE. Yep. > >Oh yeah - File sizes - if you say they cant make them bigger than >200x160, >and they violate that, the front end looks like Crapola... SO I then >needed to teach that client how to do Batch Resizing of files in >Photoshop. Again, for a fee. > >AND to be extra sure it was as visitor friendly as possible, I run a >CFDirectory on their upload directory on the fly to be sure the photo is > >there before I call it... for which I got a fee. > >So, they can pay you now, or if you cover your ass with instructions AND > >written agreement that "somt
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As long as you lock your client into a sub-directory location, without permission to move UP, do regular anti-virus scans, and check for non gif,jpg,pdf,doc, mp3 or video file types, you should be fine. At 04:32 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: >Thanks everybody for the input. > >Right now I'm leaning to eating the $100. I just saw that they have >aspUpload. If that works - the world is good. I guess I'll have to work a >little bit on asp skills. > >Re the client, he's good with photoshop (he's a photographer) so file size >and type is not an issue. But I'm scared to death to give him access to his >site. I have his files on my dev server (err, laptop) so I could always fix >things up quickly. > >Gil > >-Original Message- >From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:36 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: FTP; non-techies using > > Very good question - some long term experience here: > > I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds or > thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a larger > view image... Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this > (he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store >site)... > > Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions and > image dimension parameters do you have set up? I provide the specific >info > in writing to them. > > I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory > that the front end site points to. In that sub, there's a directory for > Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... > > Because they're not using cffile, I cant guarantee the image name will > match on a field in the database, so I've informed them that if they post > an image and it's not showing up, it's on their dime if I need to Figure >it > Out or Fix it. > > HERE's one - Client owns a Luggage site. Gets his images on CD from each > of his manufacturers. SOME are JPG already, some are GIF, and some are > TIFF. > OH YEAH - Some of those JPG files - they're not RGB / Web enabled Jpgs, > they're CMYK JPGs so some browsers dont display them at all , some do, and > some display only half the layering. > > Guess who had to figure that out, and then TRAIN the client on > conversion? I did, for a FEE. Yep. > > Oh yeah - File sizes - if you say they cant make them bigger than 200x160, > and they violate that, the front end looks like Crapola... SO I then > needed to teach that client how to do Batch Resizing of files in > Photoshop. Again, for a fee. > > AND to be extra sure it was as visitor friendly as possible, I run a > CFDirectory on their upload directory on the fly to be sure the photo is > there before I call it... for which I got a fee. > > So, they can pay you now, or if you cover your ass with instructions AND > written agreement that "somthing doesnt work on Their process,and if you > fix it you get a fee" then you're pretty much covered. > > OH YEAH - Better run Antivirus on that directory... and Limit the file > type uploads as well... > > At 01:22 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: > >Has anybody had experience with having a non-techie upload files (in this > >case photos) to their website? > > > > > >I will tfp. Just show me how. > > > > > >To save $100 the site-owner would rather use a site that doesn't permit > >CFFILE. > > > >Just wondering if there's been any disasters. > > > >Gil Midonnet > > > >-- > >[ > >-- >[ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Thanks everybody for the input. Right now I'm leaning to eating the $100. I just saw that they have aspUpload. If that works - the world is good. I guess I'll have to work a little bit on asp skills. Re the client, he's good with photoshop (he's a photographer) so file size and type is not an issue. But I'm scared to death to give him access to his site. I have his files on my dev server (err, laptop) so I could always fix things up quickly. Gil -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FTP; non-techies using Very good question - some long term experience here: I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds or thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a larger view image... Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this (he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store site)... Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions and image dimension parameters do you have set up? I provide the specific info in writing to them. I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory that the front end site points to. In that sub, there's a directory for Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... Because they're not using cffile, I cant guarantee the image name will match on a field in the database, so I've informed them that if they post an image and it's not showing up, it's on their dime if I need to Figure it Out or Fix it. HERE's one - Client owns a Luggage site. Gets his images on CD from each of his manufacturers. SOME are JPG already, some are GIF, and some are TIFF. OH YEAH - Some of those JPG files - they're not RGB / Web enabled Jpgs, they're CMYK JPGs so some browsers dont display them at all , some do, and some display only half the layering. Guess who had to figure that out, and then TRAIN the client on conversion? I did, for a FEE. Yep. Oh yeah - File sizes - if you say they cant make them bigger than 200x160, and they violate that, the front end looks like Crapola... SO I then needed to teach that client how to do Batch Resizing of files in Photoshop. Again, for a fee. AND to be extra sure it was as visitor friendly as possible, I run a CFDirectory on their upload directory on the fly to be sure the photo is there before I call it... for which I got a fee. So, they can pay you now, or if you cover your ass with instructions AND written agreement that "somthing doesnt work on Their process,and if you fix it you get a fee" then you're pretty much covered. OH YEAH - Better run Antivirus on that directory... and Limit the file type uploads as well... At 01:22 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: >Has anybody had experience with having a non-techie upload files (in this >case photos) to their website? > > >I will tfp. Just show me how. > > >To save $100 the site-owner would rather use a site that doesn't permit >CFFILE. > >Just wondering if there's been any disasters. > >Gil Midonnet > >-- >[ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I seem to remember a tag that could do this in the MM Exchange. Making a form page to upload multiple files should be easy though. -Original Message- From: Adam Wayne Lehman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using How does everyone handle uploading multiple files at once? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using Just to clarify, On those sites, the client DOES have CFFile capability, as I do build that into every ecommerce site I create as part of the Add and Modify Product pages. It's just that when they upload fifty or 100 products at a shot using my web based data entry system, (data entry is fast) having to "browse" for ever Thumbnail, every larger view image , then wait for these to upload before moving on to the next product and so forth is a HUGE pain in their butt. So I don't have any problem offering them FTP as well as the cffile function (with restrictions and contractual coverage). Offering BOTH where it makes sense, with my previous caveats, is the only way to go from a professional perspective that covers your needs and theirs. Take it a step further, check the file dimensions and auto-downsize on the fly if it's too big for the wonderful front end you'll design. Custom Cold Fusion tags in the tag gallery - gotta love em! At 02:44 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: >Good point Rafael. > >-Original Message- >From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:36 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: FTP; non-techies using > >Very good question - some long term experience here: > >I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds >or >thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a >larger >view image... Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this >(he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store >site)... > >Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions >and >image dimension parameters do you have set up? I provide the specific >info >in writing to them. > >I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory > >that the front end site points to. In that sub, there's a directory for > >Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... > >Because they're not using cffile, I cant guarantee the image name will >match on a field in the database, so I've informed them that if they >post >an image and it's not showing up, it's on their dime if I need to Figure >it >Out or Fix it. > >HERE's one - Client owns a Luggage site. Gets his images on CD from >each >of his manufacturers. SOME are JPG already, some are GIF, and some are > >TIFF. >OH YEAH - Some of those JPG files - they're not RGB / Web enabled Jpgs, >they're CMYK JPGs so some browsers dont display them at all , some do, >and >some display only half the layering. > >Guess who had to figure that out, and then TRAIN the client on >conversion? I did, for a FEE. Yep. > >Oh yeah - File sizes - if you say they cant make them bigger than >200x160, >and they violate that, the front end looks like Crapola... SO I then >needed to teach that client how to do Batch Resizing of files in >Photoshop. Again, for a fee. > >AND to be extra sure it was as visitor friendly as possible, I run a >CFDirectory on their upload directory on the fly to be sure the photo is > >there before I call it... for which I got a fee. > >So, they can pay you now, or if you cover your ass with instructions AND > >written agreement that "somthing doesnt work on Their process,and if you > >fix it you get a fee" then you're pretty much covered. > >OH YEAH - Better run Antivirus on that directory... and Limit the file >type uploads as well... > >At 01:22 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: > >Has anybody had experience with having a non-techie upload files (in >this > >case photos) to their website? > > > > > >I will tfp. Just show me how. > > > > > >To save $100 the site-owner would rather use a site that doesn't permit > >CFFILE. > > > >Just wondering if there's been any disasters. > > > >Gil Midonnet > > > >-- > >[ > _ > > >-- >[ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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How does everyone handle uploading multiple files at once? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: FTP; non-techies using Just to clarify, On those sites, the client DOES have CFFile capability, as I do build that into every ecommerce site I create as part of the Add and Modify Product pages. It's just that when they upload fifty or 100 products at a shot using my web based data entry system, (data entry is fast) having to "browse" for ever Thumbnail, every larger view image , then wait for these to upload before moving on to the next product and so forth is a HUGE pain in their butt. So I don't have any problem offering them FTP as well as the cffile function (with restrictions and contractual coverage). Offering BOTH where it makes sense, with my previous caveats, is the only way to go from a professional perspective that covers your needs and theirs. Take it a step further, check the file dimensions and auto-downsize on the fly if it's too big for the wonderful front end you'll design. Custom Cold Fusion tags in the tag gallery - gotta love em! At 02:44 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: >Good point Rafael. > >-Original Message- >From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:36 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: FTP; non-techies using > >Very good question - some long term experience here: > >I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds >or >thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a >larger >view image... Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this >(he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store >site)... > >Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions >and >image dimension parameters do you have set up? I provide the specific >info >in writing to them. > >I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory > >that the front end site points to. In that sub, there's a directory for > >Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... > >Because they're not using cffile, I cant guarantee the image name will >match on a field in the database, so I've informed them that if they >post >an image and it's not showing up, it's on their dime if I need to Figure >it >Out or Fix it. > >HERE's one - Client owns a Luggage site. Gets his images on CD from >each >of his manufacturers. SOME are JPG already, some are GIF, and some are > >TIFF. >OH YEAH - Some of those JPG files - they're not RGB / Web enabled Jpgs, >they're CMYK JPGs so some browsers dont display them at all , some do, >and >some display only half the layering. > >Guess who had to figure that out, and then TRAIN the client on >conversion? I did, for a FEE. Yep. > >Oh yeah - File sizes - if you say they cant make them bigger than >200x160, >and they violate that, the front end looks like Crapola... SO I then >needed to teach that client how to do Batch Resizing of files in >Photoshop. Again, for a fee. > >AND to be extra sure it was as visitor friendly as possible, I run a >CFDirectory on their upload directory on the fly to be sure the photo is > >there before I call it... for which I got a fee. > >So, they can pay you now, or if you cover your ass with instructions AND > >written agreement that "somthing doesnt work on Their process,and if you > >fix it you get a fee" then you're pretty much covered. > >OH YEAH - Better run Antivirus on that directory... and Limit the file >type uploads as well... > >At 01:22 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: > >Has anybody had experience with having a non-techie upload files (in >this > >case photos) to their website? > > > > > >I will tfp. Just show me how. > > > > > >To save $100 the site-owner would rather use a site that doesn't permit > >CFFILE. > > > >Just wondering if there's been any disasters. > > > >Gil Midonnet > > > >-- > >[ > _ > > >-- >[ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Just to clarify, On those sites, the client DOES have CFFile capability, as I do build that into every ecommerce site I create as part of the Add and Modify Product pages. It's just that when they upload fifty or 100 products at a shot using my web based data entry system, (data entry is fast) having to "browse" for ever Thumbnail, every larger view image , then wait for these to upload before moving on to the next product and so forth is a HUGE pain in their butt. So I don't have any problem offering them FTP as well as the cffile function (with restrictions and contractual coverage). Offering BOTH where it makes sense, with my previous caveats, is the only way to go from a professional perspective that covers your needs and theirs. Take it a step further, check the file dimensions and auto-downsize on the fly if it's too big for the wonderful front end you'll design. Custom Cold Fusion tags in the tag gallery - gotta love em! At 02:44 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: >Good point Rafael. > >-Original Message- >From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:36 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: FTP; non-techies using > >Very good question - some long term experience here: > >I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds >or >thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a >larger >view image... Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this >(he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store >site)... > >Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions >and >image dimension parameters do you have set up? I provide the specific >info >in writing to them. > >I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory > >that the front end site points to. In that sub, there's a directory for > >Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... > >Because they're not using cffile, I cant guarantee the image name will >match on a field in the database, so I've informed them that if they >post >an image and it's not showing up, it's on their dime if I need to Figure >it >Out or Fix it. > >HERE's one - Client owns a Luggage site. Gets his images on CD from >each >of his manufacturers. SOME are JPG already, some are GIF, and some are > >TIFF. >OH YEAH - Some of those JPG files - they're not RGB / Web enabled Jpgs, >they're CMYK JPGs so some browsers dont display them at all , some do, >and >some display only half the layering. > >Guess who had to figure that out, and then TRAIN the client on >conversion? I did, for a FEE. Yep. > >Oh yeah - File sizes - if you say they cant make them bigger than >200x160, >and they violate that, the front end looks like Crapola... SO I then >needed to teach that client how to do Batch Resizing of files in >Photoshop. Again, for a fee. > >AND to be extra sure it was as visitor friendly as possible, I run a >CFDirectory on their upload directory on the fly to be sure the photo is > >there before I call it... for which I got a fee. > >So, they can pay you now, or if you cover your ass with instructions AND > >written agreement that "somthing doesnt work on Their process,and if you > >fix it you get a fee" then you're pretty much covered. > >OH YEAH - Better run Antivirus on that directory... and Limit the file >type uploads as well... > >At 01:22 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: > >Has anybody had experience with having a non-techie upload files (in >this > >case photos) to their website? > > > > > >I will tfp. Just show me how. > > > > > >To save $100 the site-owner would rather use a site that doesn't permit > >CFFILE. > > > >Just wondering if there's been any disasters. > > > >Gil Midonnet > > > >-- > >[ > _ > > >-- >[ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: FTP; non-techies using
Good point Rafael. -Original Message- From: Rafael Bleiweiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: FTP; non-techies using Very good question - some long term experience here: I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds or thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a larger view image... Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this (he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store site)... Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions and image dimension parameters do you have set up? I provide the specific info in writing to them. I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory that the front end site points to. In that sub, there's a directory for Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... Because they're not using cffile, I cant guarantee the image name will match on a field in the database, so I've informed them that if they post an image and it's not showing up, it's on their dime if I need to Figure it Out or Fix it. HERE's one - Client owns a Luggage site. Gets his images on CD from each of his manufacturers. SOME are JPG already, some are GIF, and some are TIFF. OH YEAH - Some of those JPG files - they're not RGB / Web enabled Jpgs, they're CMYK JPGs so some browsers dont display them at all , some do, and some display only half the layering. Guess who had to figure that out, and then TRAIN the client on conversion? I did, for a FEE. Yep. Oh yeah - File sizes - if you say they cant make them bigger than 200x160, and they violate that, the front end looks like Crapola... SO I then needed to teach that client how to do Batch Resizing of files in Photoshop. Again, for a fee. AND to be extra sure it was as visitor friendly as possible, I run a CFDirectory on their upload directory on the fly to be sure the photo is there before I call it... for which I got a fee. So, they can pay you now, or if you cover your ass with instructions AND written agreement that "somthing doesnt work on Their process,and if you fix it you get a fee" then you're pretty much covered. OH YEAH - Better run Antivirus on that directory... and Limit the file type uploads as well... At 01:22 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: >Has anybody had experience with having a non-techie upload files (in this >case photos) to their website? > > >I will tfp. Just show me how. > > >To save $100 the site-owner would rather use a site that doesn't permit >CFFILE. > >Just wondering if there's been any disasters. > >Gil Midonnet > >-- >[ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: FTP; non-techies using
Very good question - some long term experience here: I have half a dozen clients who maintain ecommerce sites with hundreds or thousands of products - each one having at least a Thumbnail and a larger view image... Two of them wanted FTP and a new client also wants this (he's also going to be uploading MP3 sound track samples - music store site)... Here's the challenge - what naming convention, file size restrictions and image dimension parameters do you have set up? I provide the specific info in writing to them. I also as was previously suggested, limit them to a special subdirectory that the front end site points to. In that sub, there's a directory for Thumbnails, one for Larger View images, etc... Because they're not using cffile, I cant guarantee the image name will match on a field in the database, so I've informed them that if they post an image and it's not showing up, it's on their dime if I need to Figure it Out or Fix it. HERE's one - Client owns a Luggage site. Gets his images on CD from each of his manufacturers. SOME are JPG already, some are GIF, and some are TIFF. OH YEAH - Some of those JPG files - they're not RGB / Web enabled Jpgs, they're CMYK JPGs so some browsers dont display them at all , some do, and some display only half the layering. Guess who had to figure that out, and then TRAIN the client on conversion? I did, for a FEE. Yep. Oh yeah - File sizes - if you say they cant make them bigger than 200x160, and they violate that, the front end looks like Crapola... SO I then needed to teach that client how to do Batch Resizing of files in Photoshop. Again, for a fee. AND to be extra sure it was as visitor friendly as possible, I run a CFDirectory on their upload directory on the fly to be sure the photo is there before I call it... for which I got a fee. So, they can pay you now, or if you cover your ass with instructions AND written agreement that "somthing doesnt work on Their process,and if you fix it you get a fee" then you're pretty much covered. OH YEAH - Better run Antivirus on that directory... and Limit the file type uploads as well... At 01:22 PM 10/27/03, you wrote: >Has anybody had experience with having a non-techie upload files (in this >case photos) to their website? > > >I will tfp. Just show me how. > > >To save $100 the site-owner would rather use a site that doesn't permit >CFFILE. > >Just wondering if there's been any disasters. > >Gil Midonnet > >-- >[ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I agree. Makes it easier on the customer too. They wont get frustrated and call, and you wont have to troubleshoot why they can't use FTP and hear stuff like "Well it worked yesterday/I didn't do anything/I just turned it on/etc." Meanwhile, they are running WinME with Gator, Zone Alarm, Norton's, McAffe, Pop Up Stopper, AOL/Net Zero and a 9600 baud line. And yes folks, I had a client with that same config. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re:FTP; non-techies using My advice? Eat the $100 and give them the CFFILE tool. You're going to run into more coding/validation and (here's the $100 issue) site problem issues with a non-validating tool. Make a good tool, give it to them for free. Use it on other sites, use it to keep your maintenance (or reputation-bashing) costs down. It's worth it. >Has anybody had experience with having a non-techie upload files (in this >case photos) to their website? > > > I will tfp. Just show me how. > > >To save $100 the site-owner would rather use a site that doesn't permit >CFFILE. > >Just wondering if there's been any disasters. > >Gil Midonnet > _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: FTP; non-techies using
if you can swing it, sandbox the directory they are uploading to by itself, so all they can do is screw up the files they are uploading. And make sure you have an agreement saying you'll charge them if for the time to fix anything they screw up. I've done this type of thing for a couple sites, and it's generally worked pretty well, though I've always had reasonably competent users, just not particularly web savvy. -Original Message- From: mayo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: FTP; non-techies using Has anybody had experience with having a non-techie upload files (in this case photos) to their website? I will tfp. Just show me how. To save $100 the site-owner would rather use a site that doesn't permit CFFILE. Just wondering if there's been any disasters. Gil Midonnet [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
