Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
For those who are wondering where their list-email is going: It seems SpamAssassin 3.1 is tagging some mail from HoF as spam because of the way headers are handled. The x-mailer, mimeole and outlook headers are stripped from messages. But because Outlook uses a special algorithm to generate messageids, SpamAssassin recognizes the messageid as originating from Outlook. That means that the following tests in SpamAssassin are triggered: MSGID_DOLLARS: (__OUTLOOK_DOLLARS_MSGID !__HAS_OUTLOOK_IN_MAILER !__UNUSABLE_MSGID) RATWARE_MS_HASH (__MSGID_DOLLARS_OK !__HAS_X_MAILER) RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME (__MSGID_DOLLARS_OK !__MIMEOLE_MS) In parenthesis are the macro expansions of these tests which are pretty self-explaining. This is even submitted as a SpamAssassin bug http://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=4678 Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:231686 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
God can't help you! This is Google we're takling about!! :OD -Original Message- From: Jim Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have sent a message to the big g about it. -jim ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229656 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
I read cf-talk in gmail exclusively and mine have been coming through fine. About 1 out of 1000 gets tagged as spam for me. Did you mark any of the cf-talk stuff as spam? On 1/15/06, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good proportion of my cf-talk list mail is now being flagged as spam / junk by Gmail. It started on Jan 11 or Jan 12. Michael, did you make any changes then or is this just Gmail tightening it's filters? -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229624 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
I had removed the footer text ads at that point. Maybe I should put them back in and see if it changes back to normal. :) A good proportion of my cf-talk list mail is now being flagged as spam / junk by Gmail. It started on Jan 11 or Jan 12. Michael, did you make any changes then or is this just Gmail tightening it's filters? -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229625 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
It's happening to me too Sean. About 6 or 7 out of 30 each day wind up in my spam folder. On 1/15/06, Ryan Guill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read cf-talk in gmail exclusively and mine have been coming through fine. About 1 out of 1000 gets tagged as spam for me. Did you mark any of the cf-talk stuff as spam? On 1/15/06, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good proportion of my cf-talk list mail is now being flagged as spam / junk by Gmail. It started on Jan 11 or Jan 12. Michael, did you make any changes then or is this just Gmail tightening it's filters? -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229627 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
same here..probably an even higher percentage...I wish gmail would have an option to not mark labeled items as spam...I have a filter to mark things sent to cf-talk with a cftalk label and have them skip the inbox...the annoying thing is that when you un-spam the spammed items, gmail returns them to the inbox! If anyone comes up with a neat solution, let me knowit happens on a bio-fuels group I subscribe to as well. I have sent a message to the big g about it. -jim On 1/15/06, Alan Rother [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's happening to me too Sean. About 6 or 7 out of 30 each day wind up in my spam folder. On 1/15/06, Ryan Guill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read cf-talk in gmail exclusively and mine have been coming through fine. About 1 out of 1000 gets tagged as spam for me. Did you mark any of the cf-talk stuff as spam? On 1/15/06, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good proportion of my cf-talk list mail is now being flagged as spam / junk by Gmail. It started on Jan 11 or Jan 12. Michael, did you make any changes then or is this just Gmail tightening it's filters? -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229628 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
I've contacted Google about it through proper channels and if I don't hear back in the coming week, I'll use some of my non-proper channels. :) It may be the change-over in IP from 64.118.74.245 to 64.118.74.249. Personally, I have not seen more than a handful of messages set to spam, but different accounts probably have different thresholds for spam. It should clear up over time as people notice the messages set to spam and fix it. I'll see what heading changes can be made to speed up the process. A good proportion of my cf-talk list mail is now being flagged as spam / junk by Gmail. It started on Jan 11 or Jan 12. Michael, did you make any changes then or is this just Gmail tightening it's filters? -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229630 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
for what it is worth -- I have had a couple of Mike's messages wind up in spam, but no others. I had a similar problem with community a while back and realized I had marked a whole bunch of messages as spam instead of deleting them. Dana On 1/15/06, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've contacted Google about it through proper channels and if I don't hear back in the coming week, I'll use some of my non-proper channels. :) It may be the change-over in IP from 64.118.74.245 to 64.118.74.249. Personally, I have not seen more than a handful of messages set to spam, but different accounts probably have different thresholds for spam. It should clear up over time as people notice the messages set to spam and fix it. I'll see what heading changes can be made to speed up the process. A good proportion of my cf-talk list mail is now being flagged as spam / junk by Gmail. It started on Jan 11 or Jan 12. Michael, did you make any changes then or is this just Gmail tightening it's filters? -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229631 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
I spoke to soon. After realizing that the 11th is pretty recent, I checked my spam folder and ayup, there were about a dozen cf-talk posts there. for what it is worth -- I have had a couple of Mike's messages wind up in spam, but no others. I had a similar problem with community a while back and realized I had marked a whole bunch of messages as spam instead of deleting them. Dana On 1/15/06, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229633 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
I'm seeing the same thing as some of the others - cf-talk messages being marked as spam in reasonable numbers for no reason. Over a day, perhaps 5-10 from various people will get marked. On 1/16/06, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for what it is worth -- I have had a couple of Mike's messages wind up in spam, but no others. I had a similar problem with community a while back and realized I had marked a whole bunch of messages as spam instead of deleting them. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229634 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
there is a Not Spam button when i go into my Gmail Spam Filtered Box. tony On 1/15/06, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm seeing the same thing as some of the others - cf-talk messages being marked as spam in reasonable numbers for no reason. Over a day, perhaps 5-10 from various people will get marked. On 1/16/06, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for what it is worth -- I have had a couple of Mike's messages wind up in spam, but no others. I had a similar problem with community a while back and realized I had marked a whole bunch of messages as spam instead of deleting them. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229635 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
I get the same problem in Outlook... lot is marked as spam everyday. -Original Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)? there is a Not Spam button when i go into my Gmail Spam Filtered Box. tony On 1/15/06, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm seeing the same thing as some of the others - cf-talk messages being marked as spam in reasonable numbers for no reason. Over a day, perhaps 5-10 from various people will get marked. On 1/16/06, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for what it is worth -- I have had a couple of Mike's messages wind up in spam, but no others. I had a similar problem with community a while back and realized I had marked a whole bunch of messages as spam instead of deleting them. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229639 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
Sean Corfield wrote: A good proportion of my cf-talk list mail is now being flagged as spam / junk by Gmail. It started on Jan 11 or Jan 12. I am seeing lots of hits in my email filters on rules matching messageids and occasionally when a message triggers 3 rules or more it gets marked as spam. Only happens on people using MUAs that do not adhere to RFC 2822 3.6.4 (or maybe even just Outlook) so I am not worried: if people really wanted me to read their email they would use a MUA that followed the rules :) Michael: are you rewriting In-Reply-To headers as References headers? Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229644 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Gmail thinks cf-talk is spam (since January 11th)?
Been happenning to me too. Not many, a few a day or so. I not Spam them each time, so that the filter might pick up on it. So far it's an annoyance only. J On 1/15/06, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is a Not Spam button when i go into my Gmail Spam Filtered Box. tony On 1/15/06, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm seeing the same thing as some of the others - cf-talk messages being marked as spam in reasonable numbers for no reason. Over a day, perhaps 5-10 from various people will get marked. On 1/16/06, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for what it is worth -- I have had a couple of Mike's messages wind up in spam, but no others. I had a similar problem with community a while back and realized I had marked a whole bunch of messages as spam instead of deleting them. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:229652 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
