Re: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
I am, well at least professionally. I fiddle with PHP as a hobby, and my job hasn't required me to switch over yet, so I guess I still qualify. -- Jamie Keane Programmer SolutionMasters, Inc. 9111 Monroe Rd., Suite 100 Charlotte, NC 28270 www.solutionmasters.com 704.563.5559 x 228 Voice 704.849.9291 Fax -Original Message- From: Todd Ashworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Re: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) >Me > >- Original Message - >From: "Owens, Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:22 PM >Subject: RE: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) > > >> >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Gregory Harris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:32 AM >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Subject: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) >> > >> > How many dedicated CF programmers are there still out there? >> > >> Me. >> >> >> >> = >> Howard Owens >> Web Producer >> InsideVC.com >> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> = >> - - > >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ >> To Unsubscribe visit >http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or >send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in >the body. >> > > >--- --- >Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ >To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
This thread is getting silly. I have programmed in C, C++, Java, Perl, TCL, BASIC, Fortran, Assembly, Lisp, Prolog, Shell, Pascal, Modula-2, APL, Forth, Lex/YACC, HyperTalk, and plenty of other less known languages. I use whatever language and development environment is the most productive for a given project. By productive I mean I can finish projects in the least time with the least errors and finish with the most maintainable applications. Right now I need to build interactive web sites connected to database backends. I personally find Cold Fusion to be by far the most productive environment to do this FOR ME. You may find something else works better for you. That's great for both of us. Count me in as a dedicated Cold Fusion programmer (until the next revolution sweeps everything we know away in a few years). At 08:32 PM 8/30/00 -0400, Todd Ashworth wrote: >Me > >- Original Message - >From: "Owens, Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:22 PM >Subject: RE: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) > > >> >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Gregory Harris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:32 AM >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Subject: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) >> > >> > How many dedicated CF programmers are there still out there? >> > >> Me. >> >> >> >> = >> Howard Owens >> Web Producer >> InsideVC.com >> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> = >> -- > >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ >> To Unsubscribe visit >http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or >send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in >the body. >> > > >-- >Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ >To Unsubscribe visit >http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a >message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --- Peter Theobald, Chief Technology Officer LiquidStreaming http://www.liquidstreaming.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 1.212.545.1232 Fax 1.212.679.8032 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
DEDICATED, DEDICATED, DEDICATD! MOTIVATED, MOTIVATED, MOTIVATD! and FIREDUP LOL, next stupid question? Fred I'm going to go write some angry code now - Original Message - From: "Owens, Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:22 PM Subject: RE: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gregory Harris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:32 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) > > > > How many dedicated CF programmers are there still out there? > > > Me. > > > > = > Howard Owens > Web Producer > InsideVC.com > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > = > -- > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ > To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. > -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
Me - Original Message - From: "Owens, Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:22 PM Subject: RE: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gregory Harris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:32 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) > > > > How many dedicated CF programmers are there still out there? > > > Me. > > > > = > Howard Owens > Web Producer > InsideVC.com > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > = > -- > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ > To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. > -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
> -Original Message- > From: Gregory Harris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:32 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) > > How many dedicated CF programmers are there still out there? > Me. = Howard Owens Web Producer InsideVC.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
High Performance Fortran? Sounds like Object Cobol :) Steve -Original Message- From: Stewart McGowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:27 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) I'm learning HPF (high performance fortran) but i wouldn't look at that as a trend :)) wap for fun, and cf for work, cos it might not be perfect for everything, but its good enough for most things, In the UK at least CF is on an upward curve in terms of usage and in fact wage bills Stew -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
Jeremy, Your rant produced a thought I hadn't had before. I wonder how competitive ASP would be vs. CF if it were not free, but instead offered at roughly the same price point? I just finished up a post to a thread on an HWG list that someone started by asking about free or low cost web/database solutions. There is a large community out there that is really into "free" and/or open source software. They sneer at companies that offer what they term "proprietary" solutions. All other things being equal, I can't imagine that nearly as many people would bother to learn and use ASP, if they had to pay for it. I'm kind of surprised that Allaire hasn't pushed their own free options more aggressively. It would be a serious coup, if they started offering Studio for free. I have no idea what their sales figures look like, but it would seem they make most of their money off of their enterprise class offerings and support subscriptions. Studio for free would certainly kick ASP's butt. Regards, --John Microsoft is giving away ASP like they gave away Internet Explorer. IE, ASP+ .NET all of this is a part of Microsofts agenda to push them as a premiere devleoper of Applicaton servers provider tools and Applications Services through Microsoft. I truly believe giving away ASP does not hurt competition but if they make ASP+ a better tool and still give it away for free they are STLL practicing monopolistic tactics and I still truly believe even tho this is seemingly counterproductive at first that microsoft should be broken into at the very least Applications Company and Operating System Company. I just think it is highly un-fair of MS to be doing something like this. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
> Depends entirely on the cheap plastic toy that will be known as CF5. ;-> > > Should be able to tell fairly quickly with RC1 if the cf train is derailing > and it's time to jump to one of the other passing trains. > Which will probably appear sometime in 2nd qrt 2001.? ~Justin MacCarthy -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
I do not believe given the current state of affairs HDML/WML/WAP and what not are what is the future so I am not going to use these technologies unless it fits the bill. You thought that Netscape, IE cross browser development was fun? Its the *same* thing in the cellular / wireless world. Ive written some WML stuff and it is incredibly simple and the WAP protocol was rather easy to grasp so Im just waiting for something better to come along before I get into WAP. I think this is just a stepping stone (as a few other people on this list may have said :-) I cant remember Jeremy Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Insert Quarter] -Original Message- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) I have taken to learning ASP but only to broaden the array of services we can offer our clients. We use CF mostly for smaller to mid size business and it is much quicker and easier to develop in than ASP. I also picked up WAP as well just to put on the resume and to get a jump on everyone else before the next big thing hits:: wireless apps. Kevin Schmidt Internet Services Manager Peterson, WIlliams & Bizer Office: 734.995.5000 Mobile: 734.649.4843 - Original Message - From: "Gregory Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:31 AM Subject: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) In light of some of the issues regarding coldfusion as of late, I've already taken up learning ASP and WAP (the latter having no resemblance whatsoever to a server language, but still handy for the resume), are many other once Cold-Fusion only people doing the same thing now? How many dedicated CF programmers are there still out there? How many have started practicing a new language? Just wondering as the heretics in this group are speaking of the end, will it be so? Gregory Harris Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/30 8:03 AM >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > > > Well I can think of one REALLY good reason why ASP > users might > > > > deal without nifty things like built in HTTP, etc. > where CF users > > > > might insist on said functionality: > > > > > > > Cost of ASP: $0.00 > > > > Cost of ColdFusion: $1199.95 (From Necx.com) > > > > > If you compare the labor costs for training and development for > > > entry-level and mid-level CF developers vs ASP developers, > > > that $1199, or the $3000+ that you'd pay for CF Enterprise > > > Edition, will pay for itself in less than a week, I suspect. > > > > I'd like to see some actual statistics backing up that claim. > > I hear people use this argument all the time. "CF ultimately > > costs less because it's so much easier to learn and faster to > > develop applications with." Well, this is definitely not true > > all of the time, and given that there are so many people out > > there who know VB (I think VB is still the most widely used > > programming language in the U.S.), it's not that difficult to > > find an ASP programmer, or to train someone who already knows VB. > > Unfortunately, of course, I don't have any "actual > statistics". I'm sure > that's no surprise to you. What I do have is anecdotal > experience, which you > might argue is useless. Nevertheless, I'm going to let fly with it. I *almost* hate to continue this portion of the thread, but I'll swap the subject line & give it a life of its own One rather major thing just came to mind which tilts the "cost" argument back in ASP's favor: We upgraded all our ASP servers to Win2k with no problems. All of the code still worked afterwards with no kludging whatsoever. It truly was a painless upgrade. Then we tried to upgrade our CF Server to Win2k First we find that 4.0.1 isn't supported under 2k, so there's some more money to Allaire for a new version just so it works on the current OS, but anyways We try the install and it absolutely DESTROYS our main application. Everything is locked properly, no code problems that any or our developers are aware of. Yet within minutes of rebooting the server with Win2k & CF4.5.1, we start getting PCode errors, random exception errors, etc. At one point, the CFML parser reported an error on line 4,598,123 or a 200 line file!! We spent hours on the phone with Allaire tech support, and their response was, "Sorry... We don't know what's wrong." FORTUNATELY, we'd broken the mirror of the two drives in that machine before we started
RE: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
I'm learning HPF (high performance fortran) but i wouldn't look at that as a trend :)) wap for fun, and cf for work, cos it might not be perfect for everything, but its good enough for most things, In the UK at least CF is on an upward curve in terms of usage and in fact wage bills Stew >In light of some of the issues regarding coldfusion as of late, I've already taken up learning ASP and WAP (the latter >having no resemblance whatsoever to a server language, but still handy for the resume), are many other once Cold-Fusion >only people doing the same thing now? How many dedicated CF programmers are there still out there? How many have started >practicing a new language? Just wondering as the heretics in this group are speaking of the end, will it be so? >Gregory Harris -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
I know very little about ASP and as far as having it as a skill im not even real worried. Here are some reasons why I dont just jump on every language. YMMV however.. I have been programming for around 5 years and can pick up any procedural language rather quickly. (Natural|Functional) languages are another story (Scheme, Lisp etc. etc.) Instead of really worrying about which tool to use I use the best one. CF fits the bill for some things, maybe ASP or PHP does for others, depending on server type, financial situation etc. The idea behind CF, ASP, PHP, JSP, mod_perl etc. functionally the same. You need a tool to communicate with a database and give enough programming functionality to allow for Rapid Application Development, and reasonable application maintenance. The client interface is a Web Browser which means your talking in HTML and for spiffier interfaces DHTML. The nice thing about this model is that as a developer my time invested in learning HTML/DHTML(Client) and Time spent learning Relational Databases(Part of the Server) applies regardless of the tool I use to generate my HTML. Many of the techniques you learn apply regardless of what tool ASP, CF whatever you use. You are going to be performing the same higher level operations every time. Generate a form, get user input post the form to a object/tempalte/jsp/whatever that posts it to a database. So, WHY oh WHY must we compare CF to ASP??? Use the one you like and you can manage the most effective but dont make it into a pissing contest, which it obviosuly is not. Now I realize not all people can pick up languages as easy as others but once people really get the idea of HTTP model of communicating the tool to use becomes easier to select. Most of the time it *is* CF for the functionality it offers, the fact that many many people *pay* for CF instead of taking ASP for free says something to me about CF just as a casual observer. Now to rant a little about ASP. Microsoft is giving away ASP like they gave away Internet Explorer. IE, ASP+ .NET all of this is a part of Microsofts agenda to push them as a premiere devleoper of Applicaton servers provider tools and Applications Services through Microsoft. I truly believe giving away ASP does not hurt competition but if they make ASP+ a better tool and still give it away for free they are STLL practicing monopolistic tactics and I still truly believe even tho this is seemingly counterproductive at first that microsoft should be broken into at the very least Applications Company and Operating System Company. I just think it is highly un-fair of MS to be doing something like this. Jeremy Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Insert Quarter] -Original Message- From: Gregory Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 11:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) In light of some of the issues regarding coldfusion as of late, I've already taken up learning ASP and WAP (the latter having no resemblance whatsoever to a server language, but still handy for the resume), are many other once Cold-Fusion only people doing the same thing now? How many dedicated CF programmers are there still out there? How many have started practicing a new language? Just wondering as the heretics in this group are speaking of the end, will it be so? Gregory Harris Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/30 8:03 AM >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > > > Well I can think of one REALLY good reason why ASP > users might > > > > deal without nifty things like built in HTTP, etc. > where CF users > > > > might insist on said functionality: > > > > > > > Cost of ASP: $0.00 > > > > Cost of ColdFusion: $1199.95 (From Necx.com) > > > > > If you compare the labor costs for training and development for > > > entry-level and mid-level CF developers vs ASP developers, > > > that $1199, or the $3000+ that you'd pay for CF Enterprise > > > Edition, will pay for itself in less than a week, I suspect. > > > > I'd like to see some actual statistics backing up that claim. > > I hear people use this argument all the time. "CF ultimately > > costs less because it's so much easier to learn and faster to > > develop applications with." Well, this is definitely not true > > all of the time, and given that there are so many people out > > there who know VB (I think VB is still the most widely used > > programming language in the U.S.), it's not that difficult to > > find an ASP programmer, or to train someone who already knows VB. > > Unfortunately, of course, I don't have any "actual > statistics". I'm sure > that's no surprise to you. What I do have is anecdotal > experience, which you > might argue is useless. Nevertheless, I'm going to let fly with it. I *almost* hate to continue this portion of the thread, but I'll swap the subject line & give it a life of its own One rather
Re: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
I have taken to learning ASP but only to broaden the array of services we can offer our clients. We use CF mostly for smaller to mid size business and it is much quicker and easier to develop in than ASP. I also picked up WAP as well just to put on the resume and to get a jump on everyone else before the next big thing hits:: wireless apps. Kevin Schmidt Internet Services Manager Peterson, WIlliams & Bizer Office: 734.995.5000 Mobile: 734.649.4843 - Original Message - From: "Gregory Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:31 AM Subject: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP) In light of some of the issues regarding coldfusion as of late, I've already taken up learning ASP and WAP (the latter having no resemblance whatsoever to a server language, but still handy for the resume), are many other once Cold-Fusion only people doing the same thing now? How many dedicated CF programmers are there still out there? How many have started practicing a new language? Just wondering as the heretics in this group are speaking of the end, will it be so? Gregory Harris Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/30 8:03 AM >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > > > Well I can think of one REALLY good reason why ASP > users might > > > > deal without nifty things like built in HTTP, etc. > where CF users > > > > might insist on said functionality: > > > > > > > Cost of ASP: $0.00 > > > > Cost of ColdFusion: $1199.95 (From Necx.com) > > > > > If you compare the labor costs for training and development for > > > entry-level and mid-level CF developers vs ASP developers, > > > that $1199, or the $3000+ that you'd pay for CF Enterprise > > > Edition, will pay for itself in less than a week, I suspect. > > > > I'd like to see some actual statistics backing up that claim. > > I hear people use this argument all the time. "CF ultimately > > costs less because it's so much easier to learn and faster to > > develop applications with." Well, this is definitely not true > > all of the time, and given that there are so many people out > > there who know VB (I think VB is still the most widely used > > programming language in the U.S.), it's not that difficult to > > find an ASP programmer, or to train someone who already knows VB. > > Unfortunately, of course, I don't have any "actual > statistics". I'm sure > that's no surprise to you. What I do have is anecdotal > experience, which you > might argue is useless. Nevertheless, I'm going to let fly with it. I *almost* hate to continue this portion of the thread, but I'll swap the subject line & give it a life of its own One rather major thing just came to mind which tilts the "cost" argument back in ASP's favor: We upgraded all our ASP servers to Win2k with no problems. All of the code still worked afterwards with no kludging whatsoever. It truly was a painless upgrade. Then we tried to upgrade our CF Server to Win2k First we find that 4.0.1 isn't supported under 2k, so there's some more money to Allaire for a new version just so it works on the current OS, but anyways We try the install and it absolutely DESTROYS our main application. Everything is locked properly, no code problems that any or our developers are aware of. Yet within minutes of rebooting the server with Win2k & CF4.5.1, we start getting PCode errors, random exception errors, etc. At one point, the CFML parser reported an error on line 4,598,123 or a 200 line file!! We spent hours on the phone with Allaire tech support, and their response was, "Sorry... We don't know what's wrong." FORTUNATELY, we'd broken the mirror of the two drives in that machine before we started & took out one of the drives as a contingency plan. We simply had to put the old drive in, sync the other drive back to it, and we were back to where we started. At what I pay myself & my staff, that couple of days MORE than made up for the cost difference in training, and that's to say NOTHING of two days worth of lost sales! (And before anyone says, "You should have tested before upgrading a production server..." We DID. The problems just didn't show up until you put a production load on it...) When you add to that the inordinate amount of time I have to spend kludging CF to make things like CFHTTP, CFMAIL, CFSTOREDPROC, etc. behave the way they're supposed to behave I don't care if you could teach CF in 30 minutes or less. I still spend more to develop and maintain a CF app than I do an ASP app. Am I alone on this one? The only reason I still keep CF around is the tremendous codebase that was written for it before all of Allaire's little programming quirks started showing up. If I could translate to ASP or even PHP, I'd be gone in a heartbeat... Sorry to bash the language of choice on this list, but I did want to make that point... Basically, with all of the
RE: Has the Apocalypse cometh? (Was RE: CF vs. ASP)
> In light of some of the issues regarding coldfusion as of late, > I've already taken up learning ASP and WAP (the latter having no > resemblance whatsoever to a server language, but still handy for > the resume), are many other once Cold-Fusion only people doing > the same thing now? How many dedicated CF programmers are there > still out there? How many have started practicing a new > language? Just wondering as the heretics in this group are > speaking of the end, will it be so? Depends entirely on the cheap plastic toy that will be known as CF5. ;-> Should be able to tell fairly quickly with RC1 if the cf train is derailing and it's time to jump to one of the other passing trains. --min, (having flashbacks to any ozzie train special on pbs a while back) -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
