Re: Lazlo
On Wednesday 06 Oct 2004 19:32 pm, Stacy Young wrote: - Lack/weak/verbose remote service infrastructre (huge) In what way ? It seems to talk SOAP, JavaRPC and several others. - Couldn't leverage remoting (we're lifting heavy data, made big diff over soap) - Apps were heavy and sluggish What do you mean by remoting here ? How is that different from 'remote service' ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Lazlo
On Wednesday 06 Oct 2004 18:34 pm, Mike Chambers wrote: We also just announced Free / Non-Commercial licenses for Flex: IMVHO, that wont help - Flex is still priced out of the market place except for a few very large companies. But I've said that before now :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Lazlo
i think its too high as well even my host is having a hard time spitting out that much cash to get it friggin cool stuff though but i remember when laszlo wasnt exactly cheap flex is much easier to work with -- Original Message -- From: Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:43:00 +0100 On Wednesday 06 Oct 2004 18:34 pm, Mike Chambers wrote: We also just announced Free / Non-Commercial licenses for Flex: IMVHO, that wont help - Flex is still priced out of the market place except for a few very large companies. But I've said that before now :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Lazlo
dave wrote: i think its too high as well even my host is having a hard time spitting out that much cash to get it Your host? http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/faq/#item-f13 Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: Lazlo
Interesting... Who qualifies for this license? Bloggers who want to showcase Flex applications on their personal blog. ...! I wonder if having a blog is all that's required ;O) Ade -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 October 2004 13:05 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Lazlo dave wrote: i think its too high as well even my host is having a hard time spitting out that much cash to get it Your host? http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/faq/#item-f13 Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: Lazlo
In what way ? It seems to talk SOAP, JavaRPC and several others. I can't speak for their latest release emerging but previous versions had little infrastructure available in this area. What do you mean by remoting here ? How is that different from 'remote service' ? SOAP vs MM's Protocol. Inherently a flash player weak point but remoting protocol offers significant performance boost over SOAP. (in real world, I'm not making an academic claim here) Perhaps the latest release supports it, don't know. I'd suggest taking both for a spin in a real world app scenario. Devil is in the details...I can attest to that coming from traditional flash RIA background then trying Laszlo and eventually settling on Flex. As for price, it's not our primary concern. Of course we'd rather pay less but our 2 machine cluster will support a large array of RIAs going forward. In comparison to actual development costs (regardless of the technology used) the sticker price is a small fraction of that cost. My point being our decision to remain on the flex train comes down to a combination factors other that the price tag. Both Developer and User experience with the technology, time already investedin tech ramp up, stability of the product, reputation of the company driving the product, responsive to our requirements input...etc We're certainly nobody special in the thick of things yet we often have direct access to MM engineers and product folks who are taking our input directly into the product. That kind of communication is critical for us...and is available to anyone really on flexcoders. To summarize. I've done my in-depth comparison and found Flex to be well beyond their implementation. I'll brush up on Laszlo's latest offering but it'd take a helluva push to move us of our current path. Cheers! Stace [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Lazlo
hum, i didnt know that but maybe thats what they mean about working out a deal to get it. i think they are limiting the users doing it that way but.. someone from MM is coming to our cfug next week too talk about it, so maybe i will get the answers -- Original Message -- From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:04:33 +0200 dave wrote: i think its too high as well even my host is having a hard time spitting out that much cash to get it Your host? http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/faq/#item-f13 Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Lazlo
On Wednesday 06 Oct 2004 15:09 pm, Damien McKenna wrote: http://www.laszlosystems.com/ Lazlo is a Flex-like that has just been released as an open source technology *O*. *O*. *O*. *O*. ___ __/\__/ _ \| |__ | |__ | |__ | |__ __/\__ \ / | | | '_ \| '_ \| '_ \| '_ \\ / /__\ |_| | | | | | | | | | | | | /__\ \/\___/|_| |_|_| |_|_| |_|_| |_| \/ :waves bye bye to any need to think about Flex ever again. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Lazlo
On Wednesday 06 Oct 2004 15:25 pm, Thomas Chiverton wrote: :waves bye bye to any need to think about Flex ever again. Speaking of which, isn't Flex now dead in the water, or at least listing heavily ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Lazlo
Damien McKenna wrote: XML-based language for programming and is extremely easy to use, if the tutorials are anything to go by.Looks awesome! if the tutorials are anything to go by, it doesn't seem to know unicode from a hole in the ground. at least that's my impression of 'laszlo in 10 minutes' [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Lazlo
Looks like Laszlo is broke: Service Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later. On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:09:13 -0400, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend to everyone interested in doing Flex-like development to take a look at: http://www.laszlosystems.com/ Lazlo is a Flex-like that has just been released as an open source technology (Common Public License), runs on a J2EE platform (Tomcat 5) and displays to the user in a Flash 5 interface.It has its own XML-based language for programming and is extremely easy to use, if the tutorials are anything to go by.Looks awesome! -- *Damien McKenna* - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 Nothing endures but change. - Heraclitus [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Lazlo
the surprise traffic maybe?they were GOOGED!ha! Doug On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:42:08 -0400, Scott Stroz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like Laszlo is broke: Service Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later. On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:09:13 -0400, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend to everyone interested in doing Flex-like development to take a look at: http://www.laszlosystems.com/ Lazlo is a Flex-like that has just been released as an open source technology (Common Public License), runs on a J2EE platform (Tomcat 5) and displays to the user in a Flash 5 interface.It has its own XML-based language for programming and is extremely easy to use, if the tutorials are anything to go by.Looks awesome! -- *Damien McKenna* - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 Nothing endures but change. - Heraclitus [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Lazlo
Umm, no. It is actually doing very well. http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/flexbuilder/productinfo/ brz_flexbuilder/ We also just announced Free / Non-Commercial licenses for Flex: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2004/ flex_ncni_license.html More info here: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/ mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 6, 2004, at 7:43 AM, Thomas Chiverton wrote: On Wednesday 06 Oct 2004 15:25 pm, Thomas Chiverton wrote: :waves bye bye to any need to think about Flex ever again. Speaking of which, isn't Flex now dead in the water, or at least listing heavily ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: Lazlo
Flex is in full swing. Rocks. Checkout flexcoders on yahoo. Laszlo had no other option, needs major a complete new approach for me to even glance at it. Maybe something along the ways of...er...flex ? Cheers, Stace From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Lazlo On Wednesday 06 Oct 2004 15:25 pm, Thomas Chiverton wrote: :waves bye bye to any need to think about Flex ever again. Speaking of which, isn't Flex now dead in the water, or at least listing heavily ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: Lazlo
But hey, no complaints on having options...and if it helps drive down market prices, great ! -S From: Stacy Young Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Lazlo Flex is in full swing. Rocks. Checkout flexcoders on yahoo. Laszlo had no other option, needs major a complete new approach for me to even glance at it. Maybe something along the ways of...er...flex ? Cheers, Stace From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Lazlo On Wednesday 06 Oct 2004 15:25 pm, Thomas Chiverton wrote: :waves bye bye to any need to think about Flex ever again. Speaking of which, isn't Flex now dead in the water, or at least listing heavily ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Lazlo
Stacy Young wrote: Laszlo had no other option, needs major a complete new approach for me to even glance at it. Maybe something along the ways of...er...flex ? What didn't you like about Laszlo? -- *Damien McKenna* - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 Nothing endures but change. - Heraclitus [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Lazlo
Thomas Chiverton wrote: Speaking of which, isn't Flex now dead in the water, or at least listing heavily ? Maybe you're thinking of Central. evil laugh -- mwahahaha -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: Lazlo
- Lack/weak/verbose remote service infrastructre (huge) - Couldn't leverage remoting (we're lifting heavy data, made big diff over soap) - Apps were heavy and sluggish - Try developing in both, Flex is currently more productive. We've had very positive reception of our first Flex apps that have been rolled out internally. With that being said, any improvements going forward will only fuel a more competitive marketplace so bring it on! :D Stace From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 2:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Lazlo Stacy Young wrote: Laszlo had no other option, needs major a complete new approach for me to even glance at it. Maybe something along the ways of...er...flex ? What didn't you like about Laszlo? -- *Damien McKenna* - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 Nothing endures but change. - Heraclitus [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
