RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
We have a wireless initiative here. Our docs and residents all have IPaq's. We are looking into the clipboards or tablets. Very cool stuff. -Original Message- From:Dave Carabetta [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:58 AM To:CF-Talk Subject:Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead As a quick aside, I don't know if I see their product as being overly successful in hospitals. It seems that their product is dependent on running in a browser. Most doctors (my brother and father being two of them) carry around PDAs with their patient info, not cumbersome laptops. Unless the UI was designed with PDAs and other handheld devices in mind (the article doesn't mention that), it's a nice-sounding product, but not terribly usable in the real world. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137658 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
We use PACS here... Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/2003 1:45:11 AM Howard, how established is PACS or EMR with the doctors? Just curious because I spend several years in TeleRadiology/PACS. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead One of my doctors is part of a very large group. Every member of the medical staff carries around a wireless clipboard .. it is really just a laptop designed to be held and used like a clipboard, or an 8x10 PDA. The entire office is digital. No paper charts or records of any kind (except archives). It's a very cool set up. It's WindowsXP. Full internet access, too. If medical staff wanted an application they could access from any modern computer, then Flash would make a good deal of sense. ~~ Howard Owens Internet Operations Cordinator Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co. www.venturacountystar.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: GoCatGo1956 ~~ -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead As a quick aside, I don't know if I see their product as being overly successful in hospitals. It seems that their product is dependent on running in a browser. Most doctors (my brother and father being two of them) carry around PDAs with their patient info, not cumbersome laptops. Unless the UI was designed with PDAs and other handheld devices in mind (the article doesn't mention that), it's a nice-sounding product, but not terribly usable in the real world. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137659 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
I've seen the tablets in action. Very spiffy! -Original Message- From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead We have a wireless initiative here. Our docs and residents all have IPaq's. We are looking into the clipboards or tablets. Very cool stuff. -Original Message- From:Dave Carabetta [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:58 AM To:CF-Talk Subject:Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead As a quick aside, I don't know if I see their product as being overly successful in hospitals. It seems that their product is dependent on running in a browser. Most doctors (my brother and father being two of them) carry around PDAs with their patient info, not cumbersome laptops. Unless the UI was designed with PDAs and other handheld devices in mind (the article doesn't mention that), it's a nice-sounding product, but not terribly usable in the real world. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137660 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Macromedia in Medicine? was RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
I wonder how much usage of ColdFusion-Flash there is in Medical Imaging or in Medicine? In our last medical project we were using CF to front end SQL Server databases to allow Radiologists to view and distribute patient files so that Primary Care Physicians could review these with their patients in a browser. The back-end to all this were large SAN and WAN infrastructures where Radiologists could do full interpretations of X-Ray, CT, MRI, Nuclear Medicine and other patient images. That was 4-5 years ago. With the current state of ColdFusion and Flash the opportunities for MM in medicine are much greater. It is a huge market and still very fragmented, as one doctor once said to me There is no Microsoft of Medical Software! Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 7:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead We use PACS here... Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/2003 1:45:11 AM Howard, how established is PACS or EMR with the doctors? Just curious because I spend several years in TeleRadiology/PACS. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead One of my doctors is part of a very large group. Every member of the medical staff carries around a wireless clipboard .. it is really just a laptop designed to be held and used like a clipboard, or an 8x10 PDA. The entire office is digital. No paper charts or records of any kind (except archives). It's a very cool set up. It's WindowsXP. Full internet access, too. If medical staff wanted an application they could access from any modern computer, then Flash would make a good deal of sense. ~~ Howard Owens Internet Operations Cordinator Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co. www.venturacountystar.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: GoCatGo1956 ~~ -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead As a quick aside, I don't know if I see their product as being overly successful in hospitals. It seems that their product is dependent on running in a browser. Most doctors (my brother and father being two of them) carry around PDAs with their patient info, not cumbersome laptops. Unless the UI was designed with PDAs and other handheld devices in mind (the article doesn't mention that), it's a nice-sounding product, but not terribly usable in the real world. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137669 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
The writer of that article is obviously a nitwit. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Marius Milosav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead Interesting article: http://update.internetweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/ecvx0BddvJ0V30B8Mu0AF Marius Milosav www.scorpiosoft.com It's not about technology, it's about people. Virtual Company (VICO) Application Demo www.scorpiosoft.com/vicodemo/login.cfm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137466 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
That seems like a vacuous comment, in what fashion do you mean that? - Calvin - Original Message - From: Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead The writer of that article is obviously a nitwit. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Marius Milosav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead Interesting article: http://update.internetweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/ecvx0BddvJ0V30B8Mu0AF Marius Milosav www.scorpiosoft.com It's not about technology, it's about people. Virtual Company (VICO) Application Demo www.scorpiosoft.com/vicodemo/login.cfm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137469 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
Interesting article: http://update.internetweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/ecvx0BddvJ0V30B8Mu0AF Well, your subject is misleading because the reality is that the only technology they didn't use was .NET. They *did* use Java as the back end server technology (JRun). For interfaces, there's really not much of a dispute that Flash is the best solution for a rich interface in the web browser. However, I wonder how this changes if Eolas wins their lawsuit!! ;) (NOTE: Please don't re-open this topic as this is intended to be sarcastic). As a quick aside, I don't know if I see their product as being overly successful in hospitals. It seems that their product is dependent on running in a browser. Most doctors (my brother and father being two of them) carry around PDAs with their patient info, not cumbersome laptops. Unless the UI was designed with PDAs and other handheld devices in mind (the article doesn't mention that), it's a nice-sounding product, but not terribly usable in the real world. Regards, Dave. _ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137472 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
Because Flash can work just fine with .Net and Java and they're not mutually exclusive. One is for interface and the others are back end, but that's not presented at all in the article. The author does mention that they considered ActiveX for the interface, but that's ActiveX not .Net or Java either. I can't even tell from the article what the company chose for their back end, but if I were an exec I would assume it was Flash. Instead of writing an article that points out that developers could leverage the best of both worlds, the .Net or Java architecture they're already familiar with and the advanced UI capabilities of Flash, he makes it out to be a battle royale in which there can be only one. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 8:44 AM Subject: Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead That seems like a vacuous comment, in what fashion do you mean that? - Calvin - Original Message - From: Kevin Graeme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead The writer of that article is obviously a nitwit. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Marius Milosav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead Interesting article: http://update.internetweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/ecvx0BddvJ0V30B8Mu0AF Marius Milosav www.scorpiosoft.com It's not about technology, it's about people. Virtual Company (VICO) Application Demo www.scorpiosoft.com/vicodemo/login.cfm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137473 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
Why? I think he was talking specifically about client technology...They still using Java on back end...and I've seen screens of the app they're talking about. Looked impressive! Stace -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 18, 2003 9:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead The writer of that article is obviously a nitwit. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Marius Milosav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead Interesting article: http://update.internetweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/ecvx0BddvJ0V30B8Mu0AF Marius Milosav www.scorpiosoft.com It's not about technology, it's about people. Virtual Company (VICO) Application Demo www.scorpiosoft.com/vicodemo/login.cfm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137475 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
Because Flash can work just fine with .Net and Java and they're not mutually exclusive. One is for interface and the others are back end, but that's not presented at all in the article. The author does mention that they considered ActiveX for the interface, but that's ActiveX not .Net or Java either. I can't even tell from the article what the company chose for their back end, but if I were an exec I would assume it was Flash. The article actually explicitly says they used JRun as their back end. Blue Iris uses Macromedia's Java-based application server, JRun, to connect the client to back end databases. While other application servers could be used, JRun is the best option. It probably wouldn't be worth (using another server) for the amount of effort you'd have to put in, Nelson said. Those other products don't offer anything more than we currently get from JRun. Instead of writing an article that points out that developers could leverage the best of both worlds, the .Net or Java architecture they're already familiar with and the advanced UI capabilities of Flash, he makes it out to be a battle royale in which there can be only one. I didn't get that impression at all. He explicitly said they used JRun (see above snippet), so they do, in fact, leverage existing technology. As for why they didn't use .NET, the author said that they did not want to be tied to Internet Explorer, which I think is reasonable. Regards, Dave. _ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137477 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
True, he could have been more clear that he was talking about client technologies... -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 18, 2003 10:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead Because Flash can work just fine with .Net and Java and they're not mutually exclusive. One is for interface and the others are back end, but that's not presented at all in the article. The author does mention that they considered ActiveX for the interface, but that's ActiveX not .Net or Java either. I can't even tell from the article what the company chose for their back end, but if I were an exec I would assume it was Flash. Instead of writing an article that points out that developers could leverage the best of both worlds, the .Net or Java architecture they're already familiar with and the advanced UI capabilities of Flash, he makes it out to be a battle royale in which there can be only one. -Kevin AVIS IMPORTANT: --- Les informations contenues dans le present document et ses pieces jointes sont strictement confidentielles et reservees a l'usage de la (des) personne(s) a qui il est adresse. Si vous n'etes pas le destinataire, soyez avise que toute divulgation, distribution, copie, ou autre utilisation de ces informations est strictement prohibee. Si vous avez recu ce document par erreur, veuillez s'il vous plait communiquer immediatement avec l'expediteur et detruire ce document sans en faire de copie sous quelque forme. WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137478 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
Alright, fine. I'm a nitwit too. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:10 AM Subject: Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead Because Flash can work just fine with .Net and Java and they're not mutually exclusive. One is for interface and the others are back end, but that's not presented at all in the article. The author does mention that they considered ActiveX for the interface, but that's ActiveX not .Net or Java either. I can't even tell from the article what the company chose for their back end, but if I were an exec I would assume it was Flash. The article actually explicitly says they used JRun as their back end. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137480 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
One of my doctors is part of a very large group. Every member of the medical staff carries around a wireless clipboard .. it is really just a laptop designed to be held and used like a clipboard, or an 8x10 PDA. The entire office is digital. No paper charts or records of any kind (except archives). It's a very cool set up. It's WindowsXP. Full internet access, too. If medical staff wanted an application they could access from any modern computer, then Flash would make a good deal of sense. ~~ Howard Owens Internet Operations Cordinator Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co. www.venturacountystar.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: GoCatGo1956 ~~ -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead As a quick aside, I don't know if I see their product as being overly successful in hospitals. It seems that their product is dependent on running in a browser. Most doctors (my brother and father being two of them) carry around PDAs with their patient info, not cumbersome laptops. Unless the UI was designed with PDAs and other handheld devices in mind (the article doesn't mention that), it's a nice-sounding product, but not terribly usable in the real world. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137633 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead
Howard, how established is PACS or EMR with the doctors? Just curious because I spend several years in TeleRadiology/PACS. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt Webapper Services LLC Web Site http://www.webapper.com Blog http://www.webapper.net Webapper Web Application Specialists -Original Message- From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead One of my doctors is part of a very large group. Every member of the medical staff carries around a wireless clipboard .. it is really just a laptop designed to be held and used like a clipboard, or an 8x10 PDA. The entire office is digital. No paper charts or records of any kind (except archives). It's a very cool set up. It's WindowsXP. Full internet access, too. If medical staff wanted an application they could access from any modern computer, then Flash would make a good deal of sense. ~~ Howard Owens Internet Operations Cordinator Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co. www.venturacountystar.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: GoCatGo1956 ~~ -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT .Net? Java? No Thanks, We'll Take Macromedia Instead As a quick aside, I don't know if I see their product as being overly successful in hospitals. It seems that their product is dependent on running in a browser. Most doctors (my brother and father being two of them) carry around PDAs with their patient info, not cumbersome laptops. Unless the UI was designed with PDAs and other handheld devices in mind (the article doesn't mention that), it's a nice-sounding product, but not terribly usable in the real world. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137643 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
