Re: Replying after the message
Lol, yeah. Thanks. Will need to ensure Outlook allows this! "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Mark Henderson To: CF-Talk Sent: Thu Sep 07 08:22:44 2006 Subject: Re: Replying after the message Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > What lists are these? http://webdesign-l.com/ The list owner is Steven Champeon, and let me give you fair warning - if you wish to join do *NOT* top post on this one! http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d run by Eric Meyer. Both are most definitely worth joining. Mark ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252331 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Replying after the message
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > What lists are these? http://webdesign-l.com/ The list owner is Steven Champeon, and let me give you fair warning - if you wish to join do *NOT* top post on this one! http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d run by Eric Meyer. Both are most definitely worth joining. Mark ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252329 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Replying after the message
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > LOL, yeah well "corporate rules" That's why I don't post from a corporate address: I think it is unprofessional to bombard readers with all that junk. It is a one-time setup issue for me vs. a recurring reading experience for everybody on the list. Jochem ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252201 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Replying after the message
> From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 06 September 2006 13:01 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Replying after the message > > That isn't very convincing from somebody with a 15 line signature. There's an RFC about that, too :-) ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252198 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Replying after the message
I think we need to wrap this thread up as it may get ugly for no apparent reason. =) Teddy On 9/6/06, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > > An RFC for posting, lol. > > > > Looks like I will have to scroll for more, and more, and more:-) > > That isn't very convincing from somebody with a 15 line signature. > > Jochem > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252196 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Replying after the message
LOL, yeah well "corporate rules", and besides the sig is at the end ;-p -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2006 13:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Replying after the message Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > An RFC for posting, lol. > > Looks like I will have to scroll for more, and more, and more:-) That isn't very convincing from somebody with a 15 line signature. Jochem ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252195 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Replying after the message
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > An RFC for posting, lol. > > Looks like I will have to scroll for more, and more, and more:-) That isn't very convincing from somebody with a 15 line signature. Jochem ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252191 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Replying after the message
An RFC for posting, lol. Looks like I will have to scroll for more, and more, and more:-) "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Sep 06 00:31:29 2006 Subject: RE: Replying after the message > I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it > probably does make sense the way we read etc, but does anyone > else find a reply after a message damn annoying?! No, it's just you. Here are some relevant links. The RFC in question (yes, there is one!): http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 - go to page 7 Posting styles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting What Top-Posting Is (my favorite description): http://blinkynet.net/comp/toppost.html Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252176 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Replying after the message
What lists are these? "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Mark Henderson To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Sep 06 05:06:13 2006 Subject: RE: Replying after the message Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it > probably does make sense the way we read etc, but does anyone > else find a reply after a message damn annoying?! Then Dave Watts responded > No, it's just you. I totally agree with Dave but that is just my opinion of course. In fact, if you happen to be on either the WDD design or css-discuss lists (and those struggling to learn css really should join) you'll get politely scolded for top posting (and sometimes NOT so politely!). Trimming of course certainly does help, and often leaving the entire contents of the previous email intact, whether you bottom or top post, makes readability difficult. Truly though, there really is no right or wrong answer on this one, it's more a matter of preference. Microsoft's default has definitely made top posting the *norm* however. Here is an argument *for* top posting, though as already stated I'm certainly not an advocate: http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/10/03/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot-or-hea d-one-round-in-the-bottom-vs-top-posting-war/ Mark -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by ISPNZ's automated virus detection system, and is believed to be clean. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252175 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Replying after the message
I think that in is most cases, I am reading on my Blackberry and for long posts, you get a scroll for more, and more just to read a reply... I think it is a preference, got a to love a top v bottom preference! "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Mark Henderson To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Sep 06 05:06:13 2006 Subject: RE: Replying after the message Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it > probably does make sense the way we read etc, but does anyone > else find a reply after a message damn annoying?! Then Dave Watts responded > No, it's just you. I totally agree with Dave but that is just my opinion of course. In fact, if you happen to be on either the WDD design or css-discuss lists (and those struggling to learn css really should join) you'll get politely scolded for top posting (and sometimes NOT so politely!). Trimming of course certainly does help, and often leaving the entire contents of the previous email intact, whether you bottom or top post, makes readability difficult. Truly though, there really is no right or wrong answer on this one, it's more a matter of preference. Microsoft's default has definitely made top posting the *norm* however. Here is an argument *for* top posting, though as already stated I'm certainly not an advocate: http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/10/03/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot-or-hea d-one-round-in-the-bottom-vs-top-posting-war/ Mark -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by ISPNZ's automated virus detection system, and is believed to be clean. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252173 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Replying after the message
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: > I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it > probably does make sense the way we read etc, but does anyone > else find a reply after a message damn annoying?! Then Dave Watts responded > No, it's just you. I totally agree with Dave but that is just my opinion of course. In fact, if you happen to be on either the WDD design or css-discuss lists (and those struggling to learn css really should join) you'll get politely scolded for top posting (and sometimes NOT so politely!). Trimming of course certainly does help, and often leaving the entire contents of the previous email intact, whether you bottom or top post, makes readability difficult. Truly though, there really is no right or wrong answer on this one, it's more a matter of preference. Microsoft's default has definitely made top posting the *norm* however. Here is an argument *for* top posting, though as already stated I'm certainly not an advocate: http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/10/03/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot-or-hea d-one-round-in-the-bottom-vs-top-posting-war/ Mark -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by ISPNZ's automated virus detection system, and is believed to be clean. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252169 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Replying after the message
>Josh Nathanson wrote: >> So, on the average, it would seem putting the reply at the top would save >> the most >scrolling time. > >Of course, there won't be much scrolling if the person replying has >properly trimmed the previous message to highlight the particular >question or subject that they are responding to. It would be even better if the person also didn't use HTML messages. On the web archive, when you only get the digest version or in my email client (I have html turned off) html mail frankly sucks. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252150 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Replying after the message
Josh Nathanson wrote: > So, on the average, it would seem putting the reply at the top would save the > most scrolling time. Of course, there won't be much scrolling if the person replying has properly trimmed the previous message to highlight the particular question or subject that they are responding to. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252146 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Replying after the message
Like you, I personally prefer the reply at the top, so I don't have to scroll down unless I need to review the OP. Usually the subject line is enough to tell me what I'm reading about, so most of the time I don't need to review the OP, but I do always want to read the reply. So, on the average, it would seem putting the reply at the top would save the most scrolling time. -- Josh - Original Message - From: "Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: OT: Replying after the message >I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it probably does make > sense the way we read etc, but does anyone else find a reply after a > message > damn annoying?! > > No fingers at anyone just a gripe. > > > > > > > "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, > Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is > confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of > the > intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please > note > that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the > information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have > received this communication in error please return it to the sender or > call > our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within > this > communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." > Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com > > ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252145 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Replying after the message
> I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it > probably does make sense the way we read etc, but does anyone > else find a reply after a message damn annoying?! No, it's just you. Here are some relevant links. The RFC in question (yes, there is one!): http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 - go to page 7 Posting styles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting What Top-Posting Is (my favorite description): http://blinkynet.net/comp/toppost.html Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:252142 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
