RE: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
Well it's always possible that Crayola JUST switched away from that. :) -Original Message- From: Beru [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better Taken out of the Crayola case study: *Macromedia Products: *Five Macromedia ColdFusion Studio 4.5, 4 Macromedia ColdFusion Enterprise 4.5.1, Macromedia Flash, Dreamweaver, Dreamweaver UltraDev, Fireworks, FreeHand And this is just an example of the content of these case studies! Really, either Adobe take out these slightly ;-) outdated pages, or they revamp/update them a little... A prospect or IT who is shown this kind of page will run away from CF, IMHO!!! (I just hope this doesn't reflect the commitment level of Adobe...) Albert On 2/5/08, Josh Nathanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They should put out a request specifically for people who are switching to CF to contact them for use in their marketing materials as case studies. They might get for example that FigLeaf client Dave Watts mentioned. Good idea. They do have quite a few case studies already, but you can never have too many. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/customers/ -- Josh - Original Message - From: s. isaac dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better I'm not surprised. The big question continues to be What can Adobe do to promote ColdFusion? CF gets press on releases, and Adobe has actively and aggressively marketed toward the government IT sector for a few years now. I just want to see the articles that say Yeah, we're migrating from .Net to ColdFusion. It's just a much more dynamic and integrated platform. They should put out a request specifically for people who are switching to CF to contact them for use in their marketing materials as case studies. They might get for example that FigLeaf client Dave Watts mentioned. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298319 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
Sure...I'm sure that interview was done about 2 or 3 months ago. -Original Message- From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better Too late. Looks like they've already converted ( http://www.uline.com/ ). On Feb 5, 2008 9:23 AM, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This morning I read something disturbing. Weekly I get InformationWeek, which really caters more to CIOs and SysAds more than developers. That's part of why what I read disturbed me so much. They run a weekly column titled CIO Values, in which they profile some CIO or CTO from a variety of industries. Someone who has provided value to their company, and the companies they've worked with before. This week they profiled Bill Santille of Uline, a 'Shipping Supply Specialist' if Google has it right. (http://tinyurl.com/2fsj74) In the article they have the interviewee's 'Three top initiatives' that they are working towards. In Mr Santille's he states, in his second initiative: Rewrite entire sales/customer service application by replacing green-screen application with Java... But, his third initiative states: Replace current Web-based front end for Internet transactions with Microsoft .Net code. The existing platform is written in ColdFusion... OK, from an integration standpoint it would definitely make more sense to stay with ColdFusion, being that it's J2EE native. So, where is this guy's thinking? Well, he probably doesn't know any better. What's worse, it's published in a nationally distributed magazine to IT executives. Hey Adobe! Somebody needs to talk to this guy -- http://www.web-rat.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298188 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
Actually, I had seen this article already and brought it to the attention of Kristen Schofield and Adam Lehman at Adobe. Kristen said she'd see what she could do. So Adobe has already been alerted. Judith Dinowitz Editor-in-Chief: Fusion Authority http://www.fusionauthority.com I would like to see some articles that said they were going from .NET to CF as well but it is always the other way around. I'm working with a client who's transitioning from .NET to CF right now. That said, I think there are more people going the other way. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298203 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
I'm not surprised. The big question continues to be What can Adobe do to promote ColdFusion? CF gets press on releases, and Adobe has actively and aggressively marketed toward the government IT sector for a few years now. I just want to see the articles that say Yeah, we're migrating from .Net to ColdFusion. It's just a much more dynamic and integrated platform. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com Andy Matthews wrote: Sure...I'm sure that interview was done about 2 or 3 months ago. -Original Message- From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better Too late. Looks like they've already converted ( http://www.uline.com/ ). On Feb 5, 2008 9:23 AM, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This morning I read something disturbing. Weekly I get InformationWeek, which really caters more to CIOs and SysAds more than developers. That's part of why what I read disturbed me so much. They run a weekly column titled CIO Values, in which they profile some CIO or CTO from a variety of industries. Someone who has provided value to their company, and the companies they've worked with before. This week they profiled Bill Santille of Uline, a 'Shipping Supply Specialist' if Google has it right. (http://tinyurl.com/2fsj74) In the article they have the interviewee's 'Three top initiatives' that they are working towards. In Mr Santille's he states, in his second initiative: Rewrite entire sales/customer service application by replacing green-screen application with Java... But, his third initiative states: Replace current Web-based front end for Internet transactions with Microsoft .Net code. The existing platform is written in ColdFusion... OK, from an integration standpoint it would definitely make more sense to stay with ColdFusion, being that it's J2EE native. So, where is this guy's thinking? Well, he probably doesn't know any better. What's worse, it's published in a nationally distributed magazine to IT executives. Hey Adobe! Somebody needs to talk to this guy -- http://www.web-rat.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298189 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
I would like to see some articles that said they were going from .NET to CF as well but it is always the other way around. I do a lot of work for a worldwide company that has over 80k employees and their standard was ColdFusion with Oracle since sometime around the year 2000. They are in the process of changing their standard to SharePoint and when that can not do it then ASP.NET. I think they are retaining Oracle although pretty certain the SharePoint cluster is using MSSQL. I personally never see people going to ColdFusion but routinely see people leaving it. On Feb 5, 2008 8:51 AM, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not surprised. The big question continues to be What can Adobe do to promote ColdFusion? CF gets press on releases, and Adobe has actively and aggressively marketed toward the government IT sector for a few years now. I just want to see the articles that say Yeah, we're migrating from .Net to ColdFusion. It's just a much more dynamic and integrated platform. Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com Andy Matthews wrote: Sure...I'm sure that interview was done about 2 or 3 months ago. -Original Message- From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better Too late. Looks like they've already converted ( http://www.uline.com/). On Feb 5, 2008 9:23 AM, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This morning I read something disturbing. Weekly I get InformationWeek, which really caters more to CIOs and SysAds more than developers. That's part of why what I read disturbed me so much. They run a weekly column titled CIO Values, in which they profile some CIO or CTO from a variety of industries. Someone who has provided value to their company, and the companies they've worked with before. This week they profiled Bill Santille of Uline, a 'Shipping Supply Specialist' if Google has it right. (http://tinyurl.com/2fsj74) In the article they have the interviewee's 'Three top initiatives' that they are working towards. In Mr Santille's he states, in his second initiative: Rewrite entire sales/customer service application by replacing green-screen application with Java... But, his third initiative states: Replace current Web-based front end for Internet transactions with Microsoft .Net code. The existing platform is written in ColdFusion... OK, from an integration standpoint it would definitely make more sense to stay with ColdFusion, being that it's J2EE native. So, where is this guy's thinking? Well, he probably doesn't know any better. What's worse, it's published in a nationally distributed magazine to IT executives. Hey Adobe! Somebody needs to talk to this guy -- http://www.web-rat.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298192 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
I would like to see some articles that said they were going from .NET to CF as well but it is always the other way around. I'm working with a client who's transitioning from .NET to CF right now. That said, I think there are more people going the other way. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298194 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
I don't know, it looks like they are using the old .asp extension rather than .NETs .aspx extension :) Did he 'upgrade' into something older and slower? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better Sure...I'm sure that interview was done about 2 or 3 months ago. -Original Message- From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better Too late. Looks like they've already converted ( http://www.uline.com/ ). On Feb 5, 2008 9:23 AM, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This morning I read something disturbing. Weekly I get InformationWeek, which really caters more to CIOs and SysAds more than developers. That's part of why what I read disturbed me so much. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298216 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
Wow, Judith, you are fast! I only received my magazine copy yesterday. I copied Ben and Damon on my original post (I had the wrong email for Kristen) Steve Cutter Blades Adobe Certified Professional Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com Judith Dinowitz wrote: Actually, I had seen this article already and brought it to the attention of Kristen Schofield and Adam Lehman at Adobe. Kristen said she'd see what she could do. So Adobe has already been alerted. Judith Dinowitz Editor-in-Chief: Fusion Authority http://www.fusionauthority.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298236 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
That's funny. ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: William Seiter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better I don't know, it looks like they are using the old .asp extension rather than .NETs .aspx extension :) Did he 'upgrade' into something older and slower? William -- William E. Seiter Have you ever read a book that changed your life? Go to: www.winninginthemargins.com Enter passkey: goldengrove Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer http://William.Seiter.com -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better Sure...I'm sure that interview was done about 2 or 3 months ago. -Original Message- From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better Too late. Looks like they've already converted ( http://www.uline.com/ ). On Feb 5, 2008 9:23 AM, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This morning I read something disturbing. Weekly I get InformationWeek, which really caters more to CIOs and SysAds more than developers. That's part of why what I read disturbed me so much. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298241 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
I'm not surprised. The big question continues to be What can Adobe do to promote ColdFusion? CF gets press on releases, and Adobe has actively and aggressively marketed toward the government IT sector for a few years now. I just want to see the articles that say Yeah, we're migrating from .Net to ColdFusion. It's just a much more dynamic and integrated platform. They should put out a request specifically for people who are switching to CF to contact them for use in their marketing materials as case studies. They might get for example that FigLeaf client Dave Watts mentioned. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298246 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
Agreed, I know one of the big things here that the IT Architects used to say CF is a dead or dying language was all the examples they could show of businesses going away from it. Although they were on a mission to go pure MS and not sure if anything could have beat them off that mission. On Feb 5, 2008 2:19 PM, s. isaac dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They should put out a request specifically for people who are switching to CF to contact them for use in their marketing materials as case studies. They might get for example that FigLeaf client Dave Watts mentioned. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 503.236.3691 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:298254 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
