RE: Simple html question
Bravo!!! Someone cc this to IE, NS, Opera etc... -Original Message- From: Gabriel Robichaud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Simple html question CHARLIE... I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF!! cheers! Charlie Griefer wrote: > Well, the 'big question' may not be that big to everybody :) > > Yes, it works in NS. Will it work in NS 4.x? I don't know. > > Personally, I don't worry about NS 4.x anymore. In my opinion, the number > of users with NS 4.x is an acceptable level of loss. I can't spend > resources on making sure a page will render properly for a browser that > represents such a small % of my audience. To me, that time spent would be a > greater loss. > > This might not be the most popular stance...but given the limited resources > that I do have to work with, my feeling is that if my code is > standards-compliant (by current standards), then I've done my job. Also > (and I'm sure this is a very naive belief), I feel that the more we, as Web > Developers, cater to each and every browser (if i do *this* then it will > work correctly in that browser...and add a condition here to make sure it > works in *that* browser), then we give the browser companies no motivation > to ensure that their products will render code 'properly'. > > I know that digresses a bit from the original comment (dealing with older > browsers)...but I'm curious to know if others feel this way...and if so, do > you act on it? Or are you in a position where you don't have the option (or > desire) to discount any certain browser(s)? > > As this isn't directly related to CF, hope it's not considered off-topic. > Seems that since we all develop for the Web, it would be relevant. > > Charlie > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: Simple html question > > > >>and the big question...does it work in Nutscrape and if so...how far back? >>version 4.x? ;-) >> >>Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. >>VP & Director of E-Commerce Development >>Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. >>t. 250.920.8830 >>e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>- >>Macromedia Associate Partner >>www.macromedia.com >>--------- >>Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group >>Founder & Director >>www.cfug-vancouverisland.com >>- Original Message - >>From: "Andre Mohamed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:47 AM >>Subject: RE: Simple html question >> >> >> >>>You can't get smaller than 1 pixel thickness (unless you consider >>>dotted/dashed borders) >>> >>> >>> >>>hello world >>> >>> >>> >>>That's as thin as you can get (it definitely doesn't look the same the >>>default border - though that depends on your browser) >>> >>>Andri >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: 12 August 2003 17:36 >>>To: CF-Talk >>>Subject: Simple html question >>> >>>Hi, >>>Just a very simple question, >>>is it possible to apply a style to a to manipulate its border, >>>border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout our designer has >>>done. >>> >>>I tried , but this just >>>gives >>>the default border of one. >>> >>>Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with CF studio >>>4.5, >>> >>>Respectfully, >>> >>>j. >>> >>> >> > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Simple html question
I usually use style="border: 1px solid #00;" Jeff - Original Message - From: "John McCosker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Simple html question Hi, Just a very simple question, is it possible to apply a style to a to manipulate its border, border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout our designer has done. I tried , but this just gives the default border of one. Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with CF studio 4.5, Respectfully, j. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Simple html question
Designing for Netscape 4.7 and below simply does not make sense any more UNLESS server logs show that THAT PARTICULAR company has an unusally high percentage of NS 4.x users. My logs show NS 4.x users at under 2-3%. I'm sure there are still companies with NS4.7 on their desktops. If you work for one of those companies, and are unable to persuade a NS7 rollout well, I guess you would have to add NS4.7 to your list. Gilbert Midonnet -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Simple html question and the big question...does it work in Nutscrape and if so...how far back? version 4.x? ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Andre Mohamed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: RE: Simple html question > You can't get smaller than 1 pixel thickness (unless you consider > dotted/dashed borders) > > > > hello world > > > > That's as thin as you can get (it definitely doesn't look the same the > default border - though that depends on your browser) > > André > > -Original Message- > From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 12 August 2003 17:36 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Simple html question > > Hi, > Just a very simple question, > is it possible to apply a style to a to manipulate its border, > border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout our designer has > done. > > I tried , but this just > gives > the default border of one. > > Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with CF studio > 4.5, > > Respectfully, > > j. > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Simple html question
Well, the 'big question' may not be that big to everybody :) Yes, it works in NS. Will it work in NS 4.x? I don't know. Personally, I don't worry about NS 4.x anymore. In my opinion, the number of users with NS 4.x is an acceptable level of loss. I can't spend resources on making sure a page will render properly for a browser that represents such a small % of my audience. To me, that time spent would be a greater loss. This might not be the most popular stance...but given the limited resources that I do have to work with, my feeling is that if my code is standards-compliant (by current standards), then I've done my job. Also (and I'm sure this is a very naive belief), I feel that the more we, as Web Developers, cater to each and every browser (if i do *this* then it will work correctly in that browser...and add a condition here to make sure it works in *that* browser), then we give the browser companies no motivation to ensure that their products will render code 'properly'. I know that digresses a bit from the original comment (dealing with older browsers)...but I'm curious to know if others feel this way...and if so, do you act on it? Or are you in a position where you don't have the option (or desire) to discount any certain browser(s)? As this isn't directly related to CF, hope it's not considered off-topic. Seems that since we all develop for the Web, it would be relevant. Charlie - Original Message - From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Simple html question > and the big question...does it work in Nutscrape and if so...how far back? > version 4.x? ;-) > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > t. 250.920.8830 > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > Macromedia Associate Partner > www.macromedia.com > - > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > Founder & Director > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > - Original Message - > From: "Andre Mohamed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:47 AM > Subject: RE: Simple html question > > > > You can't get smaller than 1 pixel thickness (unless you consider > > dotted/dashed borders) > > > > > > > > hello world > > > > > > > > That's as thin as you can get (it definitely doesn't look the same the > > default border - though that depends on your browser) > > > > André > > > > -Original Message- > > From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 12 August 2003 17:36 > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Simple html question > > > > Hi, > > Just a very simple question, > > is it possible to apply a style to a to manipulate its border, > > border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout our designer has > > done. > > > > I tried , but this just > > gives > > the default border of one. > > > > Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with CF studio > > 4.5, > > > > Respectfully, > > > > j. > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Simple html question
You can't get smaller than 1 pixel thickness (unless you consider dotted/dashed borders) hello world That's as thin as you can get (it definitely doesn't look the same the default border - though that depends on your browser) André -Original Message- From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2003 17:36 To: CF-Talk Subject: Simple html question Hi, Just a very simple question, is it possible to apply a style to a to manipulate its border, border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout our designer has done. I tried , but this just gives the default border of one. Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with CF studio 4.5, Respectfully, j. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Simple html question
and the big question...does it work in Nutscrape and if so...how far back? version 4.x? ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: "Andre Mohamed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: RE: Simple html question > You can't get smaller than 1 pixel thickness (unless you consider > dotted/dashed borders) > > > > hello world > > > > That's as thin as you can get (it definitely doesn't look the same the > default border - though that depends on your browser) > > André > > -Original Message- > From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 12 August 2003 17:36 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Simple html question > > Hi, > Just a very simple question, > is it possible to apply a style to a to manipulate its border, > border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout our designer has > done. > > I tried , but this just > gives > the default border of one. > > Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with CF studio > 4.5, > > Respectfully, > > j. > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Simple html question
Sure you can. Border:.1em solid black -Original Message- From: Andre Mohamed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Simple html question You can't get smaller than 1 pixel thickness (unless you consider dotted/dashed borders) hello world That's as thin as you can get (it definitely doesn't look the same the default border - though that depends on your browser) André -Original Message- From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2003 17:36 To: CF-Talk Subject: Simple html question Hi, Just a very simple question, is it possible to apply a style to a to manipulate its border, border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout our designer has done. I tried , but this just gives the default border of one. Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with CF studio 4.5, Respectfully, j. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Simple html question
give this a try: charlie - Original Message - From: "John McCosker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Simple html question > Hi, > Just a very simple question, > is it possible to apply a style to a to manipulate its border, > border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout our designer has done. > > I tried , but this just gives > the default border of one. > > Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with CF studio 4.5, > > Respectfully, > > j. > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Simple html question
Charlie, I agree on all counts. Things are now at the stage where it's even worth wondering hard whether you make the site ideal even for NS. Yesterday 92% of the visitors to our major site (30k sessions a day) were MS IE 5.0 or higher. 60% were IE6. Which is unfortunate, because I think that NS7 is somewhat better than IE6. I long since stopped worrying about Opera (other than putting some code in to say 'we think you are having a problem that only ever arises on Opera. Please contact Opera'). When we first converted the site to CF (early 2000) we did worry about NS a lot more, and had specific code to handle - in particular - the size of boxes on forms differently. Now it's simply not worth worrying about. Like you I feel that W3C is good enough. Regards, Alan Ford - Original Message - From: Charlie Griefer To: CF-Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Simple html question Well, the 'big question' may not be that big to everybody :) Yes, it works in NS. Will it work in NS 4.x? I don't know. Personally, I don't worry about NS 4.x anymore. In my opinion, the number of users with NS 4.x is an acceptable level of loss. I can't spend resources on making sure a page will render properly for a browser that represents such a small % of my audience. To me, that time spent would be a greater loss. This might not be the most popular stance...but given the limited resources that I do have to work with, my feeling is that if my code is standards-compliant (by current standards), then I've done my job. Also (and I'm sure this is a very naive belief), I feel that the more we, as Web Developers, cater to each and every browser (if i do *this* then it will work correctly in that browser...and add a condition here to make sure it works in *that* browser), then we give the browser companies no motivation to ensure that their products will render code 'properly'. I know that digresses a bit from the original comment (dealing with older browsers)...but I'm curious to know if others feel this way...and if so, do you act on it? Or are you in a position where you don't have the option (or desire) to discount any certain browser(s)? As this isn't directly related to CF, hope it's not considered off-topic. Seems that since we all develop for the Web, it would be relevant. Charlie - Original Message - From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Simple html question > and the big question...does it work in Nutscrape and if so...how far back? > version 4.x? ;-) > > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > t. 250.920.8830 > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > Macromedia Associate Partner > www.macromedia.com > - > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group > Founder & Director > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com > ----- Original Message - > From: "Andre Mohamed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:47 AM > Subject: RE: Simple html question > > > > You can't get smaller than 1 pixel thickness (unless you consider > > dotted/dashed borders) > > > > > > > > hello world > > > > > > > > That's as thin as you can get (it definitely doesn't look the same the > > default border - though that depends on your browser) > > > > André > > > > -Original Message- > > From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 12 August 2003 17:36 > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Simple html question > > > > Hi, > > Just a very simple question, > > is it possible to apply a style to a to manipulate its border, > > border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout our designer has > > done. > > > > I tried , but this just > > gives > > the default border of one. > > > > Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with CF studio > > 4.5, > > > > Respectfully, > > > > j. > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Simple html question
CHARLIE... I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF!! cheers! Charlie Griefer wrote: > Well, the 'big question' may not be that big to everybody :) > > Yes, it works in NS. Will it work in NS 4.x? I don't know. > > Personally, I don't worry about NS 4.x anymore. In my opinion, the number > of users with NS 4.x is an acceptable level of loss. I can't spend > resources on making sure a page will render properly for a browser that > represents such a small % of my audience. To me, that time spent would be a > greater loss. > > This might not be the most popular stance...but given the limited resources > that I do have to work with, my feeling is that if my code is > standards-compliant (by current standards), then I've done my job. Also > (and I'm sure this is a very naive belief), I feel that the more we, as Web > Developers, cater to each and every browser (if i do *this* then it will > work correctly in that browser...and add a condition here to make sure it > works in *that* browser), then we give the browser companies no motivation > to ensure that their products will render code 'properly'. > > I know that digresses a bit from the original comment (dealing with older > browsers)...but I'm curious to know if others feel this way...and if so, do > you act on it? Or are you in a position where you don't have the option (or > desire) to discount any certain browser(s)? > > As this isn't directly related to CF, hope it's not considered off-topic. > Seems that since we all develop for the Web, it would be relevant. > > Charlie > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: Simple html question > > > >>and the big question...does it work in Nutscrape and if so...how far back? >>version 4.x? ;-) >> >>Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. >>VP & Director of E-Commerce Development >>Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. >>t. 250.920.8830 >>e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>- >>Macromedia Associate Partner >>www.macromedia.com >>--------- >>Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group >>Founder & Director >>www.cfug-vancouverisland.com >>- Original Message - >>From: "Andre Mohamed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:47 AM >>Subject: RE: Simple html question >> >> >> >>>You can't get smaller than 1 pixel thickness (unless you consider >>>dotted/dashed borders) >>> >>> >>> >>>hello world >>> >>> >>> >>>That's as thin as you can get (it definitely doesn't look the same the >>>default border - though that depends on your browser) >>> >>>Andri >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: 12 August 2003 17:36 >>>To: CF-Talk >>>Subject: Simple html question >>> >>>Hi, >>>Just a very simple question, >>>is it possible to apply a style to a to manipulate its border, >>>border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout our designer has >>>done. >>> >>>I tried , but this just >>>gives >>>the default border of one. >>> >>>Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with CF studio >>>4.5, >>> >>>Respectfully, >>> >>>j. >>> >>> >> > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Simple html question
Cheers Charlie that works :) -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2003 17:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Simple html question give this a try: charlie - Original Message - From: "John McCosker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Simple html question > Hi, > Just a very simple question, > is it possible to apply a style to a to manipulate its border, > border="1" is just a tab to thick for the fine layout our designer has done. > > I tried , but this just gives > the default border of one. > > Can't seem to find anything in the style editor shipped with CF studio 4.5, > > Respectfully, > > j. > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
