RE: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
I used it when I was FIRST starting CF development. It is REALLY basic. Even as my first true CF exposure, it was REALLY REALLY simplistic. I don't remember how much it cost, but if you have any background in CF already, there isn't much point in it. However, if you have never even written a and the price is right, it is a good intro. If you have any web knowledge at all, you can probably crank thru it in about 15 minutes. jake -Original Message- From: Claremont, Timothy S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 9:55 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback on the product before I commit. Tim Claremont Xerox Corporation -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
In a message dated 08/24/2000 11:04:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback on the product before I commit. >> I just finished going through it. I felt I needed to reinforce what I saw in Fast Track to Cold Fusion. There are a lot of details that are not explained in any way by the tutorial (regarding HOW or WHY they work, just "do it this way.") And there are several typos in the code that absolutely DROVE ME CRAZY. But I did troubleshoot all of them & make everything work. That boosted my confidence in itself. But I didn't really have the time to spend doing it. When all was said and done, it did not come up to the skill level of the challenges I am facing (but then, neither do I LOL). I would recommend it for someone who is just starting out & has a mentor handy to help with the kinks. I'd be happy to share my typo annotations if it would be of any value. :-) Oriole -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
If you're a beginner, Skillbuilding is a GREAT way to get started. I bought it right off the bat, and went through it from beginning to end in three nights after work. By the time I was finished, I knew ColdFusion was the thing I was looking for to get me excited about leaving my job in Test Engineering to go back into development. I enrolled in the FastTrack class very soon after, and I was much better prepared for the class than some of the people who had no experience at all with CF. So if you're a newbie, Skillbuilding is well worth the cost. -Kev > -Original Message- > From: Claremont, Timothy S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:55 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion > > > > Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is > available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? > > I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback on the > product before I > commit. > > > Tim Claremont > Xerox Corporation > > > -- > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ > To Unsubscribe visit > http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf > _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
SkillBuilding is a well put together training tool. However, if you have any amount of CF development experience, you may not benefit from it as it is quite basic. You may also choose to visit a local CFUG, which may have copies to lend to members. JM -Original Message- From: Claremont, Timothy S To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: 24/08/00 10:55 AM Subject: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback on the product before I commit. Tim Claremont Xerox Corporation -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
I have used the SkillBuilding CD. It's very basic and good for an introduction to the basic uses of SQL and CF in a web page. If you already have experience in DBs and HTML I'd suggest just doing a couple practice projects with searches and simple logic etc., which is basically what the CD does. There is absolutely no thinking involved in the CD. It holds your hand through the easiest steps and goes at a slow pace. You're best off making your own training exercises for new users or picking up a book and doing little projects, which we have begun to do. - Original Message - From: "Claremont, Timothy S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 9:55 AM Subject: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion > > Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is > available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? > > I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback on the product before I > commit. > > > Tim Claremont > Xerox Corporation > > > -- > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ > To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. > -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
Good but really,really basic. If you want a good intro and far beyond, get Ben Forta's book: The ColdFusion Web Application Construction Kit. craig thomas: pk interactive nyc : www.pkinteractive.com : vox +1 212.273.9623 : fax +1 212.273.9642 -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
We have it. The developers who have used it say its just about identical to the Fast Track to Cold Fusion class. They can usually code simply CFML after running the training CD. I have no personal experience with it, I have been coding Cold Fusion before it was created and never bothered to run it. Mary |+-> || "Claremont, Timothy| || S" | || | || | || 08/24/2000 10:55 AM| || Please respond to | || cf-talk| || | |+-> >| || | To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | cc: (bcc: Mary Baotic/na/Hyperion) | | Subject: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion | >| Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback on the product before I commit. Tim Claremont Xerox Corporation -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01C00DE6.4538DF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It'll take you through the basics, but is by no means thorough. It'll get you up and started, but its definitely no substitute for the books... I finished in a few hours of one day.. Scott Becker Web Developer : ConnectWise, Inc. www.ConnectWise.com -Original Message- From: Claremont, Timothy S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:55 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback on the product before I commit. Tim Claremont Xerox Corporation -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. --_=_NextPart_001_01C00DE6.4538DF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion It'll take you through the basics, but is by no means = thorough. It'll get you up and started, but its definitely no = substitute for the books... I finished in a few hours of one day.. Scott Becker Web Developer : ConnectWise, Inc. www.ConnectWise.com -Original Message- From: Claremont, Timothy S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]= ox.com] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:55 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion Has anyone had any experience with the interactive = training CD that is available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding = with ColdFusion"? I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback = on the product before I commit. Tim Claremont Xerox Corporation ---= --- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/= To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=3Dlists&body=3Dli= sts/cf_talk" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=3Dlists= &body=3Dlists/cf_talk or send a message to = [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the = body. --_=_NextPart_001_01C00DE6.4538DF20-- -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
That's how I got my start with CF. Good resource if your just starting out. Covers the basic pretty well. Tim Bahlke, CIFO Graphica p. 230-0570 f. 230-0083 -Original Message- From: Claremont, Timothy S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:55 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback on the product before I commit. Tim Claremont Xerox Corporation -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
At 10:55 8/24/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is >available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? > >I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback on the product before I >commit. If you are totaly new to cold fusion, its probably a good intro. To me they seemed to talk very s-l-o-w and it was hard to sit through. Its aimed at the newbie. Ryan -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
Recommended for beginner or first time CF user Great interactive training CD Not certain there is a CF v4.5 training CD out there yet, but I have v4.0 If you decided to get v4.5 training CD, let me know how it turn out. Regards, Kent Ho -Original Message- From: Claremont, Timothy S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 7:55 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback on the product before I commit. Tim Claremont Xerox Corporation -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
it is ok... if you've done much it won't be worth that much... but, I'm not big in cbt training... maybe someone would offer up a 'used' one for a little less?? As for me... I've given my to the 'new kid on the block' - je -Original Message- From: Claremont, Timothy S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:55 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback on the product before I commit. Tim Claremont Xerox Corporation -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
I don't know about the licensing on Skillbuilding, but if it's legal to resell it I'd be happy to buy someone's used copy. Feel free to contact me off-list. Regards, Marc Garrett - Original Message - From: "Claremont, Timothy S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:55 AM Subject: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion > > Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is > available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion
No can do. It is a CFUG copy that is pegged as "Not for resale" by Allaire and actually belongs to the Ottawa CFUG. As suggested, I would recommend you visit a local CFUG, which may be able to lend you a copy. If in the odd chance you are in Ottawa (which I doubt...), come to our next meeting on Sept 12 and I will set you up. JM -Original Message- From: Marc Garrett To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24/08/00 4:18 PM Subject: Re: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion Hi Jim, Would you have any interest in selling your copy of Skillbuilding? Thanks, Marc Garrett - Original Message - From: "Milks, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:38 AM Subject: RE: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion > SkillBuilding is a well put together training tool. However, if you have any > amount of CF development experience, you may not benefit from it as it is > quite basic. You may also choose to visit a local CFUG, which may have > copies to lend to members. > > JM > > -Original Message- > From: Claremont, Timothy S > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Sent: 24/08/00 10:55 AM > Subject: SkillBuilding with ColdFusion > > > Has anyone had any experience with the interactive training CD that is > available from Allaire called "SkillBuilding with ColdFusion"? > > I am about ready to order it, but want some feedback on the product > before I > commit. > > > Tim Claremont > Xerox Corporation > > > > -- > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ > To Unsubscribe visit > http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk > or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > 'unsubscribe' in the body. > -- > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ > To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. > -- Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
