RE: jr CF
If your having problems getting a job doing cf it's purely because you don't have the skills, not the experience. Read, read, read then start creating pages to build a portfolio. cf is a very easy language to learn. And you can get the general basics down in under a month if you put the time into it. If you can show someone your skills with a portfolio it doesn't matter that your inexperienced. They'll give you a chance if you can prove that your sharp and can learn the advanced stuff. Rob Flesher Cold Fusion Applications Developer LivingNexus, LLD. N. 19th Street, Suite 210 Arlington, VA 22209 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: "Lloyd, Kendre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: jr CF >Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:18:59 -0500 > >I was in accounting for several years. I work for a non profit. I took a >lateral in Electronic Pubs and found cold fusion. I simply began doing it. >Once I did my first application with it, the company invested in me by >paying for the basic cold fusion class. The more aps I did, the happier >they were and sent me to advanced cold fusion. It took me a year to get >the >promotion, title and salary to go with it all, but it was worth it. Find a >small growing concern with system needs, take what you already know there, >show it, work hard and the rewards will come. It worked for me. Yeah, I >could have taken my little bit of knowledge and fudged a higher paying job >elsewhere, I saw folks do that, but I wanted a solid foundation and having >a >company willing to help me grow in it helps. > >I am finding that the combination of programming and accounting is really a >good thing to have. > >Good luck, find a place to grow and work and study hard. I found that >actually using and applying Cold Fusion was better than any of the courses >I >took. I get the updated manuals, I have Ben Fortas 4.0 and a good SQL >manual. Also I use Goodmans Java script bible and pay close attention to >this list. I have found many valuable lessons on this list. It is >amazing >the stuff you can get and learn free. I have to admit that having Cold >Fusion here at work helps because I can see the results quickly, but you >can >learn a great deal even at CF web sites. Like someone else said, do a web >page showing your skills. THen base your resume on that. > > > > > Ellen Swartz wrote: > > > > > > Very interesting thread. > > > > > > I am not alone and it does not make me feel any better. > > > I have been struggling for the last 6 months between getting > > several part-time > > > jobs to make some $ and finding an entry level CF position or > > internship. I > > > got about 10 interviews with local companies that all ended the > > same way. > > > "Sorry, you don't have enough experience. Go home, work hard > > and contact us > > > again when you are ready." > > > > > > Let's face it. What company is going to hire an accountant with > > no experience > > > and barely any knowledge? > > > If CF was tought in college we would not be were we are now. We > > still would > > > not have the real life experience but we would have a lot more > > knowledge and > > > consequently a lot more chances to find an entry level CF job. > > > > > > I got to a point where I was wondering if I should pay a > > company to hire me > > > and give me some real life experience. I would work for freee > > if I was given > > > the opportunity (only on-site with a local company). It's > > either that (and I > > > agree I would be taken advantage of) or spent another year > > strugging learning > > > in 6 months at home what I would probably learn in a month > > working full time. > > > > > > Why don't we start something. > > > CF guru could teach one or twice a week and be paid for it. > > > Example: I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL. If an experience CF > > could give a class > > > to 10 CF beginners at least once a week and get paid by us (how > > much would > > > have to be determined) maybe we would learn faster and smarter. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jeff Houser > > AIM: Reboog711 | ICQ: 5246969 | Phone: 860-229-2781 > > -- > > DotComIt, LLC > > Computer Consultant specializing in database driven web data > > Lotus Notes/Domino, Cold Fusion > > -- > > Half of the Alternative Folk Acoustic Duo called Far Cry Fly > > http://www.farcryfly.com > >
RE: jr CF
If your having problems getting a job doing cf it's purely because you don't have the skills, not the experience. Read, read, read then start creating pages to build a portfolio. cf is a very easy language to learn. And you can get the general basics down in under a month if you put the time into it. If you can show someone your skills with a portfolio it doesn't matter that your inexperienced. They'll give you a chance if you can prove that your sharp and can learn the advanced stuff. Rob Flesher Cold Fusion Applications Developer LivingNexus, LLD. N. 19th Street, Suite 210 Arlington, VA 22209 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: "Lloyd, Kendre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: jr CF >Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:18:59 -0500 > >I was in accounting for several years. I work for a non profit. I took a >lateral in Electronic Pubs and found cold fusion. I simply began doing it. >Once I did my first application with it, the company invested in me by >paying for the basic cold fusion class. The more aps I did, the happier >they were and sent me to advanced cold fusion. It took me a year to get >the >promotion, title and salary to go with it all, but it was worth it. Find a >small growing concern with system needs, take what you already know there, >show it, work hard and the rewards will come. It worked for me. Yeah, I >could have taken my little bit of knowledge and fudged a higher paying job >elsewhere, I saw folks do that, but I wanted a solid foundation and having >a >company willing to help me grow in it helps. > >I am finding that the combination of programming and accounting is really a >good thing to have. > >Good luck, find a place to grow and work and study hard. I found that >actually using and applying Cold Fusion was better than any of the courses >I >took. I get the updated manuals, I have Ben Fortas 4.0 and a good SQL >manual. Also I use Goodmans Java script bible and pay close attention to >this list. I have found many valuable lessons on this list. It is >amazing >the stuff you can get and learn free. I have to admit that having Cold >Fusion here at work helps because I can see the results quickly, but you >can >learn a great deal even at CF web sites. Like someone else said, do a web >page showing your skills. THen base your resume on that. > > > > > Ellen Swartz wrote: > > > > > > Very interesting thread. > > > > > > I am not alone and it does not make me feel any better. > > > I have been struggling for the last 6 months between getting > > several part-time > > > jobs to make some $ and finding an entry level CF position or > > internship. I > > > got about 10 interviews with local companies that all ended the > > same way. > > > "Sorry, you don't have enough experience. Go home, work hard > > and contact us > > > again when you are ready." > > > > > > Let's face it. What company is going to hire an accountant with > > no experience > > > and barely any knowledge? > > > If CF was tought in college we would not be were we are now. We > > still would > > > not have the real life experience but we would have a lot more > > knowledge and > > > consequently a lot more chances to find an entry level CF job. > > > > > > I got to a point where I was wondering if I should pay a > > company to hire me > > > and give me some real life experience. I would work for freee > > if I was given > > > the opportunity (only on-site with a local company). It's > > either that (and I > > > agree I would be taken advantage of) or spent another year > > strugging learning > > > in 6 months at home what I would probably learn in a month > > working full time. > > > > > > Why don't we start something. > > > CF guru could teach one or twice a week and be paid for it. > > > Example: I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL. If an experience CF > > could give a class > > > to 10 CF beginners at least once a week and get paid by us (how > > much would > > > have to be determined) maybe we would learn faster and smarter. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jeff Houser > > AIM: Reboog711 | ICQ: 5246969 | Phone: 860-229-2781 > > -- > > DotComIt, LLC > > Computer Consultant specializing in database driven web data > > Lotus Notes/Domino, Cold Fusion > > -- > > Half of the Alternative Folk Acoustic Duo called Far Cry Fly > > http://www.farcryfly.com > >
Re: jr CF
That is probably the best advice I've seen on the list so far for the newbies. I wouldn't be where I am today without the site I was running. Here's my story... I was a senior in high school, very into computers and just getting into CGI and perl for interactive web development for a few sites I was doing for some friends and the local high school. Since I was also into BBSing, I attended SysCon (http://www.1syscon.org) to meet some like-minded people and get a little vacation. At this small conference in Vegas, I was introduced to CF by the owner of a development company in California (which I now work for). Six months later I went back to Vegas for the conference again, but this time I was the luckly winner of my very own copy of CF Server 4.0. A few weeks later I realized what I had and discovered its true power when I converted all of my web sites from perl into CF. I got the Forta books and played with CF for the next 5 months, then went back to SysCon again (they do their conference every 6 months instead of annually). This time around, the CF developers that had also attended all of the other Syscons mentioned that they were looking for some talent, so I gave them some URLs to look at and went home thinking I would never hear anything else about it. A couple of weeks later they called and told me that they were interesetd in possibly hiring me. Less than a month later I moved out of my parents house and took the job. Now, a year later, I'm still with the same company. Anyway, if you're a CF "newbie" the best thing you can do to teach yourself CF and to show others that you know your stuff is to do your own web site to demonstrate your skills. ___ Justin Scott :: [Staff Developer] http://www.annex.com - Original Message - From: "Warrick, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 12:23 PM Subject: RE: jr CF My advice: Setup a web site which demostrates your skills. If you can demonstrate that you are knowledgeable about EVERY CF tag in the book, I'm sure you'll get a job. ---mark -- Mark Warrick Phone: (714) 547-5386 Efax.com Fax: (801) 730-7289 Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com ICQ: 346566 -- > -Original Message- > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 11:28 AM > To: CF-Jobs > Subject: Re: jr CF > > > > Things I would recommend: > > Take the Allaire courses. The beginner one and the advanced one on > Cold Fusion. Even if you pay for it out of your own pocket. They > aren't substitute for real-world experience, but will probably look > better on a resume than "I self-taught myself at home for the past 6 > months." > > Become active in the local CFUG, or try to start one if there isn't one. > Go to meetings, and if you can, get involved in the web site (which will > most likely use Cold Fusion). Although, recruiting at meetings is > generally frowned upon by the CFUG managers, I have been to meetings that > do a 'business card swap' at the end of the meeting. You may > even be able > to do this sort of work telecommuting for a CFUG if there isn't > one local. > > Look up local non-profit or volunteer run organizations. Can you get > involved with their web site, will ColdFusion help. > > I just don't think it's right for a company to pay someone nothing, > (that includes internships) for work. I wouldn't expect an intern > or a jr developer to receive the compensation someone w/ 4+ years > experience would, either. > > > > Ellen Swartz wrote: > > > > Very interesting thread. > > > > I am not alone and it does not make me feel any better. > > I have been struggling for the last 6 months between getting > several part-time > > jobs to make some $ and finding an entry level CF position or > internship. I > > got about 10 interviews with local companies that all ended the > same way. > > "Sorry, you don't have enough experience. Go home, work hard > and contact us > > again when you are ready." > > > > Let's face it. What company is going to hire an accountant with > no experience > > and barely any knowledge? > > If CF was tought in college we would not be were we are now. We > still would > > not have the real life experience but we would have a lot more > knowledge and > > consequently a lot more chances to find an entry level CF job.
RE: jr CF
I was in accounting for several years. I work for a non profit. I took a lateral in Electronic Pubs and found cold fusion. I simply began doing it. Once I did my first application with it, the company invested in me by paying for the basic cold fusion class. The more aps I did, the happier they were and sent me to advanced cold fusion. It took me a year to get the promotion, title and salary to go with it all, but it was worth it. Find a small growing concern with system needs, take what you already know there, show it, work hard and the rewards will come. It worked for me. Yeah, I could have taken my little bit of knowledge and fudged a higher paying job elsewhere, I saw folks do that, but I wanted a solid foundation and having a company willing to help me grow in it helps. I am finding that the combination of programming and accounting is really a good thing to have. Good luck, find a place to grow and work and study hard. I found that actually using and applying Cold Fusion was better than any of the courses I took. I get the updated manuals, I have Ben Fortas 4.0 and a good SQL manual. Also I use Goodmans Java script bible and pay close attention to this list. I have found many valuable lessons on this list. It is amazing the stuff you can get and learn free. I have to admit that having Cold Fusion here at work helps because I can see the results quickly, but you can learn a great deal even at CF web sites. Like someone else said, do a web page showing your skills. THen base your resume on that. > > Ellen Swartz wrote: > > > > Very interesting thread. > > > > I am not alone and it does not make me feel any better. > > I have been struggling for the last 6 months between getting > several part-time > > jobs to make some $ and finding an entry level CF position or > internship. I > > got about 10 interviews with local companies that all ended the > same way. > > "Sorry, you don't have enough experience. Go home, work hard > and contact us > > again when you are ready." > > > > Let's face it. What company is going to hire an accountant with > no experience > > and barely any knowledge? > > If CF was tought in college we would not be were we are now. We > still would > > not have the real life experience but we would have a lot more > knowledge and > > consequently a lot more chances to find an entry level CF job. > > > > I got to a point where I was wondering if I should pay a > company to hire me > > and give me some real life experience. I would work for freee > if I was given > > the opportunity (only on-site with a local company). It's > either that (and I > > agree I would be taken advantage of) or spent another year > strugging learning > > in 6 months at home what I would probably learn in a month > working full time. > > > > Why don't we start something. > > CF guru could teach one or twice a week and be paid for it. > > Example: I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL. If an experience CF > could give a class > > to 10 CF beginners at least once a week and get paid by us (how > much would > > have to be determined) maybe we would learn faster and smarter. > > > > > > -- > Jeff Houser > AIM: Reboog711 | ICQ: 5246969 | Phone: 860-229-2781 > -- > DotComIt, LLC > Computer Consultant specializing in database driven web data > Lotus Notes/Domino, Cold Fusion > -- > Half of the Alternative Folk Acoustic Duo called Far Cry Fly > http://www.farcryfly.com > http://www.mp3.com/FarCryFly > -- > Does Everyone Think I'm a Cynical? > -- > > To Unsubscribe visit > http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf _jobs or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=sts or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: jr CF
I'd have to disagree. The type of employment you would want wouldn't be a varying type... Since you're starting out focus on quality not quantity. Otherwise you'll get a position you can't hand;e... You should focus on taking a basic skillset and setting it a fire... Then look at broading that strong skillset... My 2 cents.. - Original Message - From: Warrick, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 1:23 PM Subject: RE: jr CF My advice: Setup a web site which demostrates your skills. If you can demonstrate that you are knowledgeable about EVERY CF tag in the book, I'm sure you'll get a job. ---mark -- Mark Warrick Phone: (714) 547-5386 Efax.com Fax: (801) 730-7289 Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com ICQ: 346566 -- > -Original Message- > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 11:28 AM > To: CF-Jobs > Subject: Re: jr CF > > > > Things I would recommend: > > Take the Allaire courses. The beginner one and the advanced one on > Cold Fusion. Even if you pay for it out of your own pocket. They > aren't substitute for real-world experience, but will probably look > better on a resume than "I self-taught myself at home for the past 6 > months." > > Become active in the local CFUG, or try to start one if there isn't one. > Go to meetings, and if you can, get involved in the web site (which will > most likely use Cold Fusion). Although, recruiting at meetings is > generally frowned upon by the CFUG managers, I have been to meetings that > do a 'business card swap' at the end of the meeting. You may > even be able > to do this sort of work telecommuting for a CFUG if there isn't > one local. > > Look up local non-profit or volunteer run organizations. Can you get > involved with their web site, will ColdFusion help. > > I just don't think it's right for a company to pay someone nothing, > (that includes internships) for work. I wouldn't expect an intern > or a jr developer to receive the compensation someone w/ 4+ years > experience would, either. > > > > Ellen Swartz wrote: > > > > Very interesting thread. > > > > I am not alone and it does not make me feel any better. > > I have been struggling for the last 6 months between getting > several part-time > > jobs to make some $ and finding an entry level CF position or > internship. I > > got about 10 interviews with local companies that all ended the > same way. > > "Sorry, you don't have enough experience. Go home, work hard > and contact us > > again when you are ready." > > > > Let's face it. What company is going to hire an accountant with > no experience > > and barely any knowledge? > > If CF was tought in college we would not be were we are now. We > still would > > not have the real life experience but we would have a lot more > knowledge and > > consequently a lot more chances to find an entry level CF job. > > > > I got to a point where I was wondering if I should pay a > company to hire me > > and give me some real life experience. I would work for freee > if I was given > > the opportunity (only on-site with a local company). It's > either that (and I > > agree I would be taken advantage of) or spent another year > strugging learning > > in 6 months at home what I would probably learn in a month > working full time. > > > > Why don't we start something. > > CF guru could teach one or twice a week and be paid for it. > > Example: I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL. If an experience CF > could give a class > > to 10 CF beginners at least once a week and get paid by us (how > much would > > have to be determined) maybe we would learn faster and smarter. > > > > > > -- > Jeff Houser > AIM: Reboog711 | ICQ: 5246969 | Phone: 860-229-2781 > -- > DotComIt, LLC > Computer Consultant specializing in database driven web data > Lotus Notes/Domino, Cold Fusion > -- > Half of the Alternative Folk Acoustic Duo called Far Cry Fly > http://www.farcryfly.com > http://www.mp3.com/FarCryFly > -- > Does Everyone Think I'm a Cynical? > -- > > To Unsubscribe visit > http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf _jobs
RE: jr CF
My advice: Setup a web site which demostrates your skills. If you can demonstrate that you are knowledgeable about EVERY CF tag in the book, I'm sure you'll get a job. ---mark -- Mark Warrick Phone: (714) 547-5386 Efax.com Fax: (801) 730-7289 Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com ICQ: 346566 -- > -Original Message- > From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 11:28 AM > To: CF-Jobs > Subject: Re: jr CF > > > > Things I would recommend: > > Take the Allaire courses. The beginner one and the advanced one on > Cold Fusion. Even if you pay for it out of your own pocket. They > aren't substitute for real-world experience, but will probably look > better on a resume than "I self-taught myself at home for the past 6 > months." > > Become active in the local CFUG, or try to start one if there isn't one. > Go to meetings, and if you can, get involved in the web site (which will > most likely use Cold Fusion). Although, recruiting at meetings is > generally frowned upon by the CFUG managers, I have been to meetings that > do a 'business card swap' at the end of the meeting. You may > even be able > to do this sort of work telecommuting for a CFUG if there isn't > one local. > > Look up local non-profit or volunteer run organizations. Can you get > involved with their web site, will ColdFusion help. > > I just don't think it's right for a company to pay someone nothing, > (that includes internships) for work. I wouldn't expect an intern > or a jr developer to receive the compensation someone w/ 4+ years > experience would, either. > > > > Ellen Swartz wrote: > > > > Very interesting thread. > > > > I am not alone and it does not make me feel any better. > > I have been struggling for the last 6 months between getting > several part-time > > jobs to make some $ and finding an entry level CF position or > internship. I > > got about 10 interviews with local companies that all ended the > same way. > > "Sorry, you don't have enough experience. Go home, work hard > and contact us > > again when you are ready." > > > > Let's face it. What company is going to hire an accountant with > no experience > > and barely any knowledge? > > If CF was tought in college we would not be were we are now. We > still would > > not have the real life experience but we would have a lot more > knowledge and > > consequently a lot more chances to find an entry level CF job. > > > > I got to a point where I was wondering if I should pay a > company to hire me > > and give me some real life experience. I would work for freee > if I was given > > the opportunity (only on-site with a local company). It's > either that (and I > > agree I would be taken advantage of) or spent another year > strugging learning > > in 6 months at home what I would probably learn in a month > working full time. > > > > Why don't we start something. > > CF guru could teach one or twice a week and be paid for it. > > Example: I live in Fort Lauderdale, FL. If an experience CF > could give a class > > to 10 CF beginners at least once a week and get paid by us (how > much would > > have to be determined) maybe we would learn faster and smarter. > > > > > > -- > Jeff Houser > AIM: Reboog711 | ICQ: 5246969 | Phone: 860-229-2781 > -- > DotComIt, LLC > Computer Consultant specializing in database driven web data > Lotus Notes/Domino, Cold Fusion > -- > Half of the Alternative Folk Acoustic Duo called Far Cry Fly > http://www.farcryfly.com > http://www.mp3.com/FarCryFly > -- > Does Everyone Think I'm a Cynical? > -- > > To Unsubscribe visit > http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf _jobs or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebarRsts or send a message with 'unsubscribe' in the body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
