RE: keywording for search engine hits
suggestions: 1. don't repeat words 2. separate by commas in a meta tag (do a keywords and description one too) 3. think like a user, and put those words in there. 4. put your words in google, see who comes up first, and get their list, see how they did it...copy them, use them, and don't feel bad at all ;) 5.good luck search engines are as fickle as 14 yr old girls @ the mall tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: keywording for search engine hits Any good rules to follow for making sure that keywords are picked up by the search engines, especially without having the keywords actually render on the page?I've been hearing that the engines are getting smart about not collecting keywords from meta-tags - is that correct?What about putting keywords in HTML that's inside of a stylesheet or DIV that is hidden?Will Google etc pick those up?Any other good ideas? thanks -reed [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: keywording for search engine hits
In truth I have no idea what so ever. If you do a Google search on ColdFusion, you will not find HoF listed. Google does search us (www.houseoffusion.com/banners/bots) and we've got 10's to 100's of thousands of pages archived by them (SES urls rock) but no listing under that keyword. I'm talking withwww.globalpromoter.com (Jason Dowdell from the list) to get better coverage. My suggestion is to talk to get an expert to review your site and tell you what to do. Any good rules to follow for making sure that keywords are picked up by the search engines, especially without having the keywords actually render on the page?I've been hearing that the engines are getting smart about not collecting keywords from meta-tags - is that correct?What about putting keywords in HTML that's inside of a stylesheet or DIV that is hidden?Will Google etc pick those up?Any other good ideas? thanks -reed [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: keywording for search engine hits
also... http://searchenginewatch.com/webmasters/article.php/2167931 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: keywording for search engine hits Any good rules to follow for making sure that keywords are picked up by the search engines, especially without having the keywords actually render on the page?I've been hearing that the engines are getting smart about not collecting keywords from meta-tags - is that correct?What about putting keywords in HTML that's inside of a stylesheet or DIV that is hidden?Will Google etc pick those up?Any other good ideas? thanks -reed [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: keywording for search engine hits
Any good rules to follow for making sure that keywords are picked up by the search engines, especially without having the keywords actually render on the page?I've been hearing that the engines are getting smart about not collecting keywords from meta-tags - is that correct?What about putting keywords in HTML that's inside of a stylesheet or DIV that is hidden?Will Google etc pick those up?Any other good ideas? IIRC, Inktomi is the only search engine that still really pays attention to meta keywords. The search companies are getting much better at looking at the actual content of the page and filtering out attempts to stuff the ballot. Unless things have changed in the last few months, the best way to get highly ranked is to have lots of sites link to your site. And not only should they link, but the link text should be the keywords you care about because that is weighted heavily. Also, descriptive titles, proper use of and descriptive H1 header and key words in the first paragraph are good too. You have to be really careful of too much gross SEO because Google will ban you outright if they feel you're stuffing the ballot. The SearchEngineWatch site that Tony mentioned is a good source of info. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: keywording for search engine hits
5. good luck search engines are as fickle as 14 yr old girls @ the mall Dude, what are you spending your nights doing? Rick -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: keywording for search engine hits suggestions: 1. don't repeat words 2. separate by commas in a meta tag (do a keywords and description one too) 3. think like a user, and put those words in there. 4. put your words in google, see who comes up first, and get their list, see how they did it...copy them, use them, and don't feel bad at all ;) 5.good luck search engines are as fickle as 14 yr old girls @ the mall tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: keywording for search engine hits Any good rules to follow for making sure that keywords are picked up by the search engines, especially without having the keywords actually render on the page?I've been hearing that the engines are getting smart about not collecting keywords from meta-tags - is that correct?What about putting keywords in HTML that's inside of a stylesheet or DIV that is hidden?Will Google etc pick those up?Any other good ideas? thanks -reed _ [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4Todays Threads] [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:155994This Message] [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4Subscription] [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=984.904.4Fast Unsubscribe] [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/signin/User Settings] _ HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 \n --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.583 / Virus Database: 369 - Release Date: 2/10/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.583 / Virus Database: 369 - Release Date: 2/10/2004 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: keywording for search engine hits
You should have seen my reaction when I first read it.I missed the @ the mall part.I was very concerned :-) John Burns -Original Message- From: cfhelp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: keywording for search engine hits 5. good luck search engines are as fickle as 14 yr old girls @ the mall Dude, what are you spending your nights doing? Rick -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: keywording for search engine hits suggestions: 1. don't repeat words 2. separate by commas in a meta tag (do a keywords and description one too) 3. think like a user, and put those words in there. 4. put your words in google, see who comes up first, and get their list, see how they did it...copy them, use them, and don't feel bad at all ;) 5.good luck search engines are as fickle as 14 yr old girls @ the mall tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: keywording for search engine hits Any good rules to follow for making sure that keywords are picked up by the search engines, especially without having the keywords actually render on the page?I've been hearing that the engines are getting smart about not collecting keywords from meta-tags - is that correct? What about putting keywords in HTML that's inside of a stylesheet or DIV that is hidden?Will Google etc pick those up?Any other good ideas? thanks -reed _ [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4Todays Threads] [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:155994This Message] [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4Subscription] [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=984.904.4Fa st Unsubscribe] [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/signin/User Settings] _ HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 \n --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.583 / Virus Database: 369 - Release Date: 2/10/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.583 / Virus Database: 369 - Release Date: 2/10/2004 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: keywording for search engine hits
stalking.why? :) come on man... I try to stay @ least above 18 I mean, nothing, im married now... -Original Message- From: cfhelp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: keywording for search engine hits 5. good luck search engines are as fickle as 14 yr old girls @ the mall Dude, what are you spending your nights doing? Rick -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: keywording for search engine hits suggestions: 1. don't repeat words 2. separate by commas in a meta tag (do a keywords and description one too) 3. think like a user, and put those words in there. 4. put your words in google, see who comes up first, and get their list, see how they did it...copy them, use them, and don't feel bad at all ;) 5.good luck search engines are as fickle as 14 yr old girls @ the mall tony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: keywording for search engine hits Any good rules to follow for making sure that keywords are picked up by the search engines, especially without having the keywords actually render on the page?I've been hearing that the engines are getting smart about not collecting keywords from meta-tags - is that correct?What about putting keywords in HTML that's inside of a stylesheet or DIV that is hidden?Will Google etc pick those up?Any other good ideas? thanks -reed _ [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4Todays Threads] [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:155994This Message] [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4Subscription] [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=984.904.4Fast Unsubscribe] [HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/signin/User Settings] _ HYPERLINK http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 \n --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.583 / Virus Database: 369 - Release Date: 2/10/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.583 / Virus Database: 369 - Release Date: 2/10/2004 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: keywording for search engine hits
Any good rules to follow for making sure that keywords are picked up by the search engines, especially without having the keywords actually render on the page?I've been hearing that the engines are getting smart about not collecting keywords from meta-tags - is that correct?What about putting keywords in HTML that's inside of a stylesheet or DIV that is hidden?Will Google etc pick those up?Any other good ideas? Here's a great new article to help you out with Google (and, I would imagine, other engines as a results). In short, it just got a lot harder to boost your rankings: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/brandy-google-update Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: keywording for search engine hits
Any good rules to follow for making sure that keywords are picked up by the search engines, especially without having the keywords actually render on the page?I've been hearing that the engines are getting smart about not collecting keywords from meta-tags - is that correct?What about putting keywords in HTML that's inside of a stylesheet or DIV that is hidden?Will Google etc pick those up?Any other good ideas? One thing I can say is to install the GoogleBar and look at it's Page Rank option once you've searched - it gives you a good indication on how good that page is for it's ranking There are MANY search engine articles out there, the better ones you have to pay for Remember this though - you pay for what you get - if you look for free articles, you won't get much, but if you pay for the items, generally it'll be worth the money (some aren't though, but you've got to take the rough with the smooth) There are companies who specialise in Search Engine Rankings and placements - so they must do something for their money g [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: keywording for search engine hits
a)Google google florida and read up.This was only the first step in the rollout of a much more comprehensive, fundamental shift in how they show results.As I recall this was a really good article: http://www.searchengineguide.com/lloyd/2003/1125_bl1.html b)Keywords do indeed appear to be on the decline.However, the recent Yahoo shift away from Google results and over to Inktomi, which Yahoo owns, may indicate a rise in their use... unless Inktomi also drops them; if they haven't already.The reasoning: abuse. c)Put your keywords in your page, url (my_keyword_laden_url.cfm) and page title for best results.Put them in the page content.If you try and hide them you will perish in flames.Search engines are actively making it their Mission In Life to find and eradicate such cheaters from the face of the Earth. d)Don't play any games, like stuffing into alt image tags and such.They will find you, if not sooner, then later, and you will perish in flames. e)Buy pay-per-click placement everywhere.Advertising costs money in every other sector; and that model has slowly been taking over on the web.I've got clients that literally spend thousands monthly, but they all make it back and then some. -- --- Matt Robertson,[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: keywording for search engine hits
By providing people with creatives and cut-and-paste HTML, you can vastly improve your chances of attracting reciprocal links to your site. Ok that makes since, make it easy for someone to trade links with your site. Don't plaster each of your sites with links to the others, and don't reciprocate links between the sites. So you're not supposed to swap links with another site? Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: keywording for search engine hits Any good rules to follow for making sure that keywords are picked up by the search engines, especially without having the keywords actually render on the page? I've been hearing that the engines are getting smart about not collecting keywords from meta-tags - is that correct? What about putting keywords in HTML that's inside of a stylesheet or DIV that is hidden? Will Google etc pick those up? Any other good ideas? Here's a great new article to help you out with Google (and, I would imagine, other engines as a results). In short, it just got a lot harder to boost your rankings: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/brandy-google-update Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: keywording for search engine hits - additional
I am unclear on this on as well... A few of my sites are all driven by one file. Index.cfm with a default Template. So if you click a link in the navigation it would be like index.cfm?TP=contact.cfm But when I look at my site the Google bar shows a decent rank. http://www.kchost.net http://www.1sourceentertainment.com Rick -Original Message- From: Eric Creese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: keywording for search engine hits - additional If the search engines scan the content of your pages, how can they scan the content when it is dynamically driven from a database? If the text content of my home page is stored int eh database and is displayed when the page is called, how does the spider(s) read the content? -Original Message- From: cfhelp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: keywording for search engine hits By providing people with creatives and cut-and-paste HTML, you can vastly improve your chances of attracting reciprocal links to your site. Ok that makes since, make it easy for someone to trade links with your site. Don't plaster each of your sites with links to the others, and don't reciprocate links between the sites. So you're not supposed to swap links with another site? Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: keywording for search engine hits Any good rules to follow for making sure that keywords are picked up by the search engines, especially without having the keywords actually render on the page? I've been hearing that the engines are getting smart about not collecting keywords from meta-tags - is that correct? What about putting keywords in HTML that's inside of a stylesheet or DIV that is hidden? Will Google etc pick those up? Any other good ideas? Here's a great new article to help you out with Google (and, I would imagine, other engines as a results). In short, it just got a lot harder to boost your rankings: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/brandy-google-update Regards, Dave. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: keywording for search engine hits - additional
From: Eric Creese If the search engines scan the content of your pages, how can they scan the content when it is dynamically driven from a database? If the text content of my home page is stored int eh database and is displayed when the page is called, how does the spider(s) read the content? In exactly the same way that a user views the page - your technology adds the database generated content into the page which is then served to the spider Unless of course you have some code which stops spiders from seeing the content [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: keywording for search engine hits - additional
The answer to the first part is that the spider is a Client just like IE or Firefox browsers are Clients.So they are reading the content after it has been rendered by the CF application server and sent to the client through the web server. But they can have trouble with sites the use dynamic pages that are basically a single template serving up a wide variety of content based on parameters in the URL or other methods.My understanding is that they where getting better at some uses of this in site designs and thus where able to distinguish between to pages that may look like.mysite/directors.cfm?ID=George and mysite/directors.cfm?ID=Sam but other uses could cause them to overlook large sections of content. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: keywording for search engine hits
search engines are as fickle as 14 yr old girls @ the mall You don't say? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
