RE: price of aspx vs cfm
I think this is the URL you are referring to: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet.html jb -Original Message- From: Pete Ruckelshaus - CFList [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 May 2004 19:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: price of aspx vs cfm Ben Forta did a great article on this a while back.I Hopefully he'll chime in with a URL. From my perspective, there are 2 major areas where CF saves money. First, development time.CF development is, IME, faster; less development time = saved money.Second, what you don't have to buy.My ASP experience goes back to ASP 3.0, so things might have changed with .net, but with ASP, if you wanted to do file uploads, or send emails, or do any of that special stuff, you had to go find a third-party solution which would usually cost $$$. So, take the argument from this perspective.Come up with an application that involves database access, file uploading, writing your own logs, robust error handling, and sending emails.Agree on the requirements, then have 2 developers of roughly equal skill levels develop the app in both CF and ASP.See who's headed for happy hour and who's headed for the bottle of excedrin. Pete John Ho wrote: hi guy Can someone give me advantage/disadv in asp.net and coldfusionmx?. asp.net is free? or how much?. I current have coldfusionmx and try to convince some of my coworkers to use coldfusion thanks John __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: price of aspx vs cfm
Think of ASP.net as a whole different language and paradigm than straight ASP. In fact, as a framwork, ASP.net looks and feels quite a bit like Flex. Good ASP programming with use a combination of code-behinds in vb script, C# classes that are inheareted into the ASP.net page and stored proceedures for accessing data, and custom componet tags. With that out of the way here are some of the more compelling reasons to use CF. 1) Cold Fusion is not tied down to the Windows platform. ASP.net is definatly tied to the whims of microsoft. In fact you can run Cold Fusion in a Linux/Apache/Tomcat environment. The last time I checked, these systems were free. Windows as the operating system can cost anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand dollars depending on the version selected. Linux/Apache/Tomcat can be downloaded for free. In fact, if cost were the only issue, take a look at Jarkarta Struts -- a Java framework containing many of the same features as ASP.net. Since your team is not considering Struts --this tells me that cost is not the only issue here, rather your team wants to use the Microsoft platform. 2) ASP.net is tied to the current version of the IIS webserver. I do not believe you can use the Apache webserver with ASP.net. In fact Microsoft considers IIS an application server for ASP.net. hi guy Can someone give me advantage/disadv in asp.net and coldfusionmx?. asp.net is free? or how much?. I current have coldfusionmx and try to convince some of my coworkers to use coldfusion thanks John __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: price of aspx vs cfm
I thin it's this one: http://www.sys-con.com/coldfusion/article.cfm?id=541 -nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ John Beynon wrote: I think this is the URL you are referring to: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cf_aspnet.html jb -Original Message- From: Pete Ruckelshaus - CFList [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 May 2004 19:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: price of aspx vs cfm Ben Forta did a great article on this a while back.I Hopefully he'll chime in with a URL. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: price of aspx vs cfm
Thank you for the information Is this true ASP.net can not run in Linux or Unix machine?. If it is I will have good advantage to win this because there area a lot of computers running Linux and Unix in my area Think of ASP.net as a whole different language and paradigm than straight ASP. In fact, as a framwork, ASP.net looks and feels quite a bit like Flex. Good ASP programming with use a combination of code-behinds in vb script, C# classes that are inheareted into the ASP. net page and stored proceedures for accessing data, and custom componet tags. With that out of the way here are some of the more compelling reasons to use CF. 1) Cold Fusion is not tied down to the Windows platform. ASP.net is definatly tied to the whims of microsoft. In fact you can run Cold Fusion in a Linux/Apache/Tomcat environment. The last time I checked, these systems were free. Windows as the operating system can cost anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand dollars depending on the version selected. Linux/Apache/Tomcat can be downloaded for free. In fact, if cost were the only issue, take a look at Jarkarta Struts -- a Java framework containing many of the same features as ASP.net. Since your team is not considering Struts --this tells me that cost is not the only issue here, rather your team wants to use the Microsoft platform. 2) ASP.net is tied to the current version of the IIS webserver. I do not believe you can use the Apache webserver with ASP.net. In fact Microsoft considers IIS an application server for ASP.net. hi guy Can someone give me advantage/disadv in asp.net and coldfusionmx?. asp.net is free? or how much?. I current have coldfusionmx and try to convince some of my coworkers to use coldfusion thanks John __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo. com/careermakeover [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: price of aspx vs cfm
Microsoft haven't produced (YET) and ASP.NET version for Linux. Linux/Unix computers can access sites written using .aspx files though. -Original Message- From: John Ho [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 May 2004 16:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: price of aspx vs cfm Thank you for the information Is this true ASP.net can not run in Linux or Unix machine?. If it is I will have good advantage to win this because there area a lot of computers running Linux and Unix in my area Think of ASP.net as a whole different language and paradigm than straight ASP. In fact, as a framwork, ASP.net looks and feels quite a bit like Flex. Good ASP programming with use a combination of code-behinds in vb script, C# classes that are inheareted into the ASP. net page and stored proceedures for accessing data, and custom componet tags. With that out of the way here are some of the more compelling reasons to use CF. 1) Cold Fusion is not tied down to the Windows platform. ASP.net is definatly tied to the whims of microsoft. In fact you can run Cold Fusion in a Linux/Apache/Tomcat environment. The last time I checked, these systems were free. Windows as the operating system can cost anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand dollars depending on the version selected. Linux/Apache/Tomcat can be downloaded for free. In fact, if cost were the only issue, take a look at Jarkarta Struts -- a Java framework containing many of the same features as ASP.net. Since your team is not considering Struts --this tells me that cost is not the only issue here, rather your team wants to use the Microsoft platform. 2) ASP.net is tied to the current version of the IIS webserver. I do not believe you can use the Apache webserver with ASP.net. In fact Microsoft considers IIS an application server for ASP.net. hi guy Can someone give me advantage/disadv in asp.net and coldfusionmx?. asp.net is free? or how much?. I current have coldfusionmx and try to convince some of my coworkers to use coldfusion thanks John __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo. com/careermakeover [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: price of aspx vs cfm
Is this true ASP.net can not run in Linux or Unix machine?. If it is I will have good advantage to win this because there area a lot of computers running Linux and Unix in my area Well, not exactly. The Mono project supports ASP.NET (http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html). However, in real life, you aren't going to run into too many people trying to use ASP.NET on Unix. Most .NET developers are Windows-centric, and almost all .NET applications are written specifically for Windows. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: price of aspx vs cfm
http://tinyurl.com/2ddpx http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/05/0443213.shtml?tid=106tid=185tid=190 http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/05/0443213.shtml?tid=106tid=185tid=190 tid=201 Theres a Beta of Mono out that should allow .Net to run on linux -Original Message- From: John Ho [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2004 16:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: price of aspx vs cfm Thank you for the information Is this true ASP.net can not run in Linux or Unix machine?. If it is I will have good advantage to win this because there area a lot of computers running Linux and Unix in my area Think of ASP.net as a whole different language and paradigm than straight ASP. In fact, as a framwork, ASP.net looks and feels quite a bit like Flex. Good ASP programming with use a combination of code-behinds in vb script, C# classes that are inheareted into the ASP. net page and stored proceedures for accessing data, and custom componet tags. With that out of the way here are some of the more compelling reasons to use CF. 1) Cold Fusion is not tied down to the Windows platform. ASP.net is definatly tied to the whims of microsoft. In fact you can run Cold Fusion in a Linux/Apache/Tomcat environment. The last time I checked, these systems were free. Windows as the operating system can cost anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand dollars depending on the version selected. Linux/Apache/Tomcat can be downloaded for free. In fact, if cost were the only issue, take a look at Jarkarta Struts -- a Java framework containing many of the same features as ASP.net. Since your team is not considering Struts --this tells me that cost is not the only issue here, rather your team wants to use the Microsoft platform. 2) ASP.net is tied to the current version of the IIS webserver. I do not believe you can use the Apache webserver with ASP.net. In fact Microsoft considers IIS an application server for ASP.net. hi guy Can someone give me advantage/disadv in asp.net and coldfusionmx?. asp.net is free? or how much?. I current have coldfusionmx and try to convince some of my coworkers to use coldfusion thanks John __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo. com/careermakeover _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: price of aspx vs cfm
Haha, I was just reading this article again two weeks ago - it's in one of the last 2002 issues of CFDJ - sorry I'm at work so I don't have the exact Vol. and Issue. But if you go to http://www.sys-con.com/coldfusion/ you should be able to find it. I believe it was the November issue. -Original Message- From: Pete Ruckelshaus - CFList [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 2:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: price of aspx vs cfm Ben Forta did a great article on this a while back.I Hopefully he'll chime in with a URL. >From my perspective, there are 2 major areas where CF saves money. First, development time.CF development is, IME, faster; less development time = saved money.Second, what you don't have to buy.My ASP experience goes back to ASP 3.0, so things might have changed with .net, but with ASP, if you wanted to do file uploads, or send emails, or do any of that special stuff, you had to go find a third-party solution which would usually cost $$$. So, take the argument from this perspective.Come up with an application that involves database access, file uploading, writing your own logs, robust error handling, and sending emails.Agree on the requirements, then have 2 developers of roughly equal skill levels develop the app in both CF and ASP.See who's headed for happy hour and who's headed for the bottle of excedrin. Pete John Ho wrote: hi guy Can someone give me advantage/disadv in asp.net and coldfusionmx?. asp.net is free? or how much?. I current have coldfusionmx and try to convince some of my coworkers to use coldfusion thanks John __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
