Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
Part of the reason for Adobe Coldfusion 8 having features that the open source competitors do not is commercial licensing. Adobe either owns the license for some of the cool new tag features or paid the bucks to use a third party license. The open source products may not have the money to pay out to buy those licenses. NewAtlanta's Bluedragon may have a better shot at being fully compatable on their next release since they have commercial licensing for Bluedragon. Also, timing of releases plays a part in feature comparisons. Example, Bluedragon 7 was released before Coldfusion 8 but after Coldfusion 7. Thus Bluedragon 7 had features that Coldfusion 7 did not but now Coldfusion 8 has leaped ahead those features and with newer features. In addition Bluedragon had CFTHREAD and CFIMAGE before Coldfusion and thus Bluedragon's implimentation is different than Coldfusion's implimentations of those tags that were later added to Coldfusion 8. BlueDragon now has an open source version and they are looking for community developers. Feel free to jump in and help. Also, I did not address the other flavs of CFML engines since I am not familar with them. I only use Coldfusion and Bluedragon. I was the lucky one at the ColderFusion UG (Twin Cities, MN) to win a fully licensed copy of Bluedragon. So I use it. Wil Genovese On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Don L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm... http://www.railo-technologies.com/en/index.cfm?treeID=107 Thanks for the URL. It looks like an alternative could a road to he?? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314343 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
In the future, differences between projects are likely to be smaller due to the creation of the CFML Advisory Committee. http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/CFML_Advisory_Committee Hopefully it will delineate a core set of features/functions and allow for more widely interoperability between CF engines. Judah On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Don L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just ran a search for it and found two, of which one is well-known, that is, BlueDragon, the other contender is Smith, did a quick browse of features respectively, and noticed that some of 'hot-cake' CF8 features like cfajaxproxy and associated tags are not supported by neither of them (on these features, one IT vet even suggested that he/she would for CF platform just for that! hear that). Am thinking totally loud here, why not combine resources to come up with some leading edge stuff, instead of being a follower (non-critical of neither products, just a comment)? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314346 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
Don L wrote: Am thinking totally loud here, why not combine resources to come up with some leading edge stuff, instead of being a follower (non-critical of neither products, just a comment)? Which resources do you want to combine exactly? What are you contributing? Jochem ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314350 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
In the future, differences between projects are likely to be smaller due to the creation of the CFML Advisory Committee. http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog. entry/entry/CFML_Advisory_Committee Hopefully it will delineate a core set of features/functions and allow for more widely interoperability between CF engines. Judah that committee does not include anyone representing OpenBlueDragon. From what I understand that was because of political reasons. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314351 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
The comments on the blog posting I linked to confirms what you're saying Larry but it also seems to show a willingness to involve people from the OpenBD organization. Now whether or not that has happend, I have no clue. I don't follow the CF politics too closely.There are multiple members of the OpenBD steering committee on the list though, so they might have a more definitive answer than is provided by a 4 month old blog post. Judah On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the future, differences between projects are likely to be smaller due to the creation of the CFML Advisory Committee. http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog. entry/entry/CFML_Advisory_Committee Hopefully it will delineate a core set of features/functions and allow for more widely interoperability between CF engines. Judah that committee does not include anyone representing OpenBlueDragon. From what I understand that was because of political reasons. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314352 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
In the future, differences between projects are likely to be smaller due to the creation of the CFML Advisory Committee. http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog. entry/entry/CFML_Advisory_Committee Hopefully it will delineate a core set of features/functions and allow for more widely interoperability between CF engines. Judah Thank you very much for the resource pointer. Like many in the cf community, I greatly appreciate this effort. A side note, some times we tend to copy and paste recepient's email address without looking at its entire address carefully... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314353 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
Part of the reason for Adobe Coldfusion 8 having features that the open source competitors do not is commercial licensing. Adobe either owns the license for some of the cool new tag features or paid the bucks to use a third party license. The open source products may not have the money to pay out to buy those licenses. NewAtlanta's Bluedragon may have a better shot at being fully compatable on their next release since they have commercial licensing for Bluedragon. Also, timing of releases plays a part in feature comparisons. Example, Bluedragon 7 was released before Coldfusion 8 but after Coldfusion 7. Thus Bluedragon 7 had features that Coldfusion 7 did not but now Coldfusion 8 has leaped ahead those features and with newer features. In addition Bluedragon had CFTHREAD and CFIMAGE before Coldfusion and thus Bluedragon's implimentation is different than Coldfusion's implimentations of those tags that were later added to Coldfusion 8. BlueDragon now has an open source version and they are looking for community developers. Feel free to jump in and help. Also, I did not address the other flavs of CFML engines since I am not familar with them. I only use Coldfusion and Bluedragon. I was the lucky one at the ColderFusion UG (Twin Cities, MN) to win a fully licensed copy of Bluedragon. So I use it. Wil Genovese Thank you for your thoughtful follow-up, I'm in and out of the cf world all the time... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314354 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
You missed Railo in your search. mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ 2008/10/24 Don L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just ran a search for it and found two, of which one is well-known, that is, BlueDragon, the other contender is Smith, did a quick browse of features respectively, and noticed that some of 'hot-cake' CF8 features like cfajaxproxy and associated tags are not supported by neither of them (on these features, one IT vet even suggested that he/she would for CF platform just for that! hear that). Am thinking totally loud here, why not combine resources to come up with some leading edge stuff, instead of being a follower (non-critical of neither products, just a comment)? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314327 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
Add Railo to your search http://railo-technologies.com/ On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Don L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just ran a search for it and found two, of which one is well-known, that is, BlueDragon, the other contender is Smith, did a quick browse of features respectively, and noticed that some of 'hot-cake' CF8 features like cfajaxproxy and associated tags are not supported by neither of them (on these features, one IT vet even suggested that he/she would for CF platform just for that! hear that). Am thinking totally loud here, why not combine resources to come up with some leading edge stuff, instead of being a follower (non-critical of neither products, just a comment)? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314328 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
BlueDragon comes in two flavors. The commercial version, which is commercially supported, and Open BlueDragon, which is supported by the community. Their URL's are as follows: BlueDragon Commercial version (focusing on their .NET version) http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm Open BlueDragon (open source and completely free under the GPLv3): http://www.openbluedragon.org/ HTH! Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Open BlueDragon Steering Committee Adobe Solution Provider AJ Mercer wrote: Add Railo to your search http://railo-technologies.com/ On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Don L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just ran a search for it and found two, of which one is well-known, that is, BlueDragon, the other contender is Smith, did a quick browse of features respectively, and noticed that some of 'hot-cake' CF8 features like cfajaxproxy and associated tags are not supported by neither of them (on these features, one IT vet even suggested that he/she would for CF platform just for that! hear that). Am thinking totally loud here, why not combine resources to come up with some leading edge stuff, instead of being a follower (non-critical of neither products, just a comment)? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314329 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
Add Railo to your search http://railo-technologies.com/ Thanks for the heads-up and the URL, however, unlike BD, it does not list tag comparison with cf8, hard to tell if it can support some of the great cf8 features listed in my last post. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314330 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
BlueDragon comes in two flavors. The commercial version, which is commercially supported, and Open BlueDragon, which is supported by the community. Their URL's are as follows: BlueDragon Commercial version (focusing on their .NET version) http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/index.cfm Open BlueDragon (open source and completely free under the GPLv3): http://www.openbluedragon.org/ HTH! Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Open BlueDragon Steering Committee Adobe Solution Provider Thanks, but it seems that the latest BD is version 7... and the key features in cf8 that I would need are not there... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314331 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
Umm... http://www.railo-technologies.com/en/index.cfm?treeID=107 mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ 2008/10/24 Don L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Add Railo to your search http://railo-technologies.com/ Thanks for the heads-up and the URL, however, unlike BD, it does not list tag comparison with cf8, hard to tell if it can support some of the great cf8 features listed in my last post. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314332 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Alternative to coldfusion8
Umm... http://www.railo-technologies.com/en/index.cfm?treeID=107 Thanks for the URL. It looks like an alternative could a road to he?? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:314333 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
