Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript: problem solved

2005-01-25 Thread Deanna Schneider
Credit goes back to Jochem. He's the one that helped me figure it out.

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript: problem solved

2005-01-24 Thread Claude Schneegans
Hi,

I finally figured out that the iso-8859-1 characters where replaced by y not in 
the database, but during the post through the form.
As Deanna Schneider pointed out, I needed to add both lines
cfset setEncoding(url,ISO-8859-1)
cfset setEncoding(form,ISO-8859-1)
in the Application.cfm
Now, in order the application is completely CF 5 and CFMX compatible, I use 
this in the application template:
CFSET CFversion = listGetAt(server.coldfusion.productVersion, 1)
CFIF CFversion GT 5
 cfcontent type=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
 cfset setEncoding(url,ISO-8859-1)
 cfset setEncoding(form,ISO-8859-1)
/CFIF

Thanks all for your help, especially Deanna.

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-24 Thread Paul Hastings
Claude Schneegans wrote:
 Including the Javascrip files, but how do I edit them?

notepad, cfstudio (just leave the BOM alone), cfeclipse, etc.

 What do you mean ghost echo, I'm still having a ?%$/ problem, and it is 
 not a ghost problem ;-)

an email that got somehow recycled  shows up later on from the middle 
of that thread.

 By the way, how should we call this behaving from CF which forces UTF-8 
 uncompatible with Javascript?
 A bug?

nope, a victory for i18n standards, good practices, etc.

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-24 Thread Claude Schneegans
Hi,

I'm still having a big problem with this application in French, moving from CF 
5.0 to CFMX.
The problem is that all pages and data in the Access database are not in 
Unicode, but in
plain good old iso-8859-1.
CFMX by default is converting every thing in UTF-8.
Explorer understand that it is UTF-8, and text looks ok.
The trouble is that Explorer thinks that the Javascript files are also in 
UTF-8, but since they are not
translated by CF, they are not.

See this example here:
http://diplomes.med.umontreal.ca/test/test.htm
This file just contains
SCRIPT LANGUAGE=JavaScript SRC=test.js TYPE=text/javascript/SCRIPT
And the javascript file contains:
alert(é   );
When you call the htm page, the alert actually shows the character é
But when you call test.cfm instead, the alert shows a square, because the é was 
interpreted as a bad UTF-8 string.

If I add the line cfcontent type=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
in the Application.cfm file, everything looks fine, including Javascript,
BUT now in every record edited on the site, any character higher that 127 is 
replaced by ý (7D in hex)
in the database... :-(

Do I also have to put cfprocessingdirective pageEncoding=ISO-8859-1 in 
EVERY page?
This looks crazy, I have hundreds of pages and the code must also run on CF 5.0




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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-24 Thread Claude Schneegans
When on see pages like this:
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=209threadid=814963
I can really see I'm not the only one having problems with French characters 
under CFMX ;-)

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-24 Thread Paul Hastings
Claude Schneegans wrote:
 Do I also have to put cfprocessingdirective pageEncoding=ISO-8859-1 in 
 EVERY page?

not a bad idea actually (never be shy about encoding hints) but if you 
want this server to ONLY handle latin-1 then:

change the defaultCharset value in cf_root/lib/neo-runtime.xml file:

var name='defaultCharset'stringUTF-8/string/var

from UTF-8 to iso-8859-1. then stop/restart the cfserver service.

a better long term solution is to convert those files to unicode (since 
cf5 won't really care anwyay), for $15 unifier's a pretty good deal: 
http://www.melody-soft.com/html/unifier.html

ps: i hope this isn't somekind of ghost echo of the same thread from 
last week???

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-24 Thread Claude Schneegans
change the defaultCharset value in cf_root/lib/neo-runtime.xml file:
var name='defaultCharset'stringUTF-8/string/var
from UTF-8 to iso-8859-1. then stop/restart the cfserver service.

Thanks for the trick. Since the server handles only English and French site, I 
don't think it should be a problem

a better long term solution is to convert those files to unicode

Including the Javascrip files, but how do I edit them?

ps: i hope this isn't somekind of ghost echo of the same thread from
last week???

What do you mean ghost echo, I'm still having a ?%$/ problem, and it is not 
a ghost problem ;-)

By the way, how should we call this behaving from CF which forces UTF-8 
uncompatible with Javascript?
A bug?

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RE: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-21 Thread Tim Blair
 Why do I need BOTH ?

This tells the browser what format to expect the content it receives in:
cfcontent type=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 

And this tells CF how to process the current file (and hence is required
in *every file* where you need to specifiy a page encoding):
cfprocessingdirective pageEncoding=ISO-8859-1

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-21 Thread Paul Hastings
Claude Schneegans wrote:
 I know that you are a fervent suporter of Unicode, and I'm also, but only 
 where I need it,

except that we think it's always needed. retrofitting is a bore.

 For some pages in some sites in some languages, YES, but for most european 
 languages,
 iso-8859-1 is the standard.

as jochem has pointed out it has no euro, and as i found out from the 
unicode list not even all chars from most european languages as you 
put it:

http://www.sustainablegis.com/blog/cfg11n/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=5273BBAB-20ED-7DEE-2AD54A06799B0467

and these days i'm not sure what you'd call turkey (or the ukraine for 
that matter). unicode is really the only sensible char encoding for the 
euroland.

 Of course, one can always use a combine harvester to mow one's green... ;-)

that's not even close to being analogous. it's a myth that unicode is 
bloated, it's as efficient as it needs to be for the task it has to 
accomplish. the most frequently used chars (at least at the beginning of 
the unicode and perhaps internet) are encoded using only 1 byte. that 
helped give rise to some conspiracy folk's idea that the unicode was 
some kind of english-speaking western plot to take control of the 
world's languages. microsoft has replaced the english-speaking western 
powers as the evil genius in the latest version. for other languages 
that can fit within a codepage (say thai) yup, there is some bloat. but 
i haven't see anybody around here complaining.

 Officially not, but de facto, yes.

de facto? no i don't believe so.


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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-21 Thread Paul Hastings
Jochem van Dieten wrote:

 not a default standard. If only for the existence of Win1252, 
 which is the subtly different Windows default.

yeah it is a subtle difference, i've seen it burn quite a few pages. i'd 
call that windows codepage a superset of iso-8859-1.


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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-21 Thread Paul Hastings
Claude Schneegans wrote:
 http://diplomes.med.umontreal.ca/testcfm.cfm

btw that seem to work for me in ie 6.0.2800  in firefox 1.


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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-21 Thread Claude Schneegans
This tells the browser what format to expect the content it receives in:
cfcontent type=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

More precisely: it tells CF to tell the browser what format to expect from what 
it will recive from CF.
Then if CF knows the format, why should I tell it twice?

BTW it seems to be working fine with only cfcontent in the Application.cfm 
template and no
cfprocessingdirective in any file.

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-21 Thread Claude Schneegans
btw that seem to work for me in ie 6.0.2800  in firefox 1.

I used the same file to test the suggested cure, so now it works.

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-20 Thread Claude Schneegans
One can see an example here:
http://diplomes.med.umontreal.ca/testhtm.htm
The page just contains the string é É and call a javascript file which makes 
an alert with the same string
With this plain HTML file, it works ok.

Now with the exact same content in CF:
http://diplomes.med.umontreal.ca/testcfm.cfm
One can see that the JS alert is not correct.
This is because the text is in Latin-1, but Explorer tries to interpret it as 
UTF-8

Both the CFM and HTM files contain this:
BODYé É/BODY
SCRIPT LANGUAGE=JavaScript SRC=test.js TYPE=text/javascript/SCRIPT

and the JS file contains this:
alert(é É  );

When I look at the content sent by the server in the cache, I see that the html 
file contains the string:
BODYé É/BODY
But the CFM file contains:
BODYé É/BODY
Because it has been converted to UTF-8
The javascript file however is not, but Explorer interprets é É as UTF-8

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-20 Thread Deanna Schneider
Have you tried using cfsetting to set it to latin (iso used here cause it's 
in a snippet?
In App.cfm:
cfset setEncoding(url,ISO-8859-1)
cfset setEncoding(form,ISO-8859-1)
cfcontent type=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Each Applicable Page:
cfprocessingdirective pageEncoding=ISO-8859-1

in form:
enctype=multipart/form-data: charset=ISO-8859-1

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 One can see an example here:
 http://diplomes.med.umontreal.ca/testhtm.htm
 The page just contains the string é É and call a javascript file which 
 makes an alert with the same string
 With this plain HTML file, it works ok.

 Now with the exact same content in CF:
 http://diplomes.med.umontreal.ca/testcfm.cfm
 One can see that the JS alert is not correct.
 This is because the text is in Latin-1, but Explorer tries to interpret it 
 as UTF-8

 Both the CFM and HTM files contain this:
 BODYé É/BODY
 SCRIPT LANGUAGE=JavaScript SRC=test.js 
 TYPE=text/javascript/SCRIPT

 and the JS file contains this:
 alert(é É  );

 When I look at the content sent by the server in the cache, I see that the 
 html file contains the string:
 BODYé É/BODY
 But the CFM file contains:
 BODYé É/BODY
 Because it has been converted to UTF-8
 The javascript file however is not, but Explorer interprets é É as UTF-8

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RE: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-20 Thread Paul Vernon
If you have Homesite+ or other capable text editor (Notepad), you could
re-save your js file in the utf-8 encoding and re-upload it...

If you have LOTS of files you need to convert, I wrote a conversion tool
that lets you convert from ansi to utf-8 en-mass that you can get from
http://store.newmediadevelopment.net

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-20 Thread Claude Schneegans
cfcontent type=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
cfprocessingdirective pageEncoding=ISO-8859-1

Ah ah, with both of thrm it seems to work.
Why do I need BOTH ?

in form:

You mean in EVERY forms?

Gee isn't there any setting in CFMX server to specify I don't need this UTF-8 
stuff in all my sites?

When I'll make a new site in chinese, may be I'll select UTF-8, but for the 
time being...

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-20 Thread Claude Schneegans
If you have LOTS of files you need to convert, I wrote a conversion tool
that lets you convert from ansi to utf-8 en-mass

Well, this is fine, but I don't want to convert...
Why should I convert to UTF-8 which takes 3 or 4 characters for any accented 
letter when I have been using for more that a decade  is0-8859-1 which takes 
only one character?

After all, iso-8859-1 is the default char set in the Internet, why isn't it 
also the default for CFMX?

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-20 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Claude Schneegans wrote:
 
 Well, this is fine, but I don't want to convert...
 Why should I convert to UTF-8 which takes 3 or 4 characters for any accented 
 letter when I have been using for more that a decade  is0-8859-1 which takes 
 only one character?

Because not all commonly used characters are in ISO-8859-1.


 After all, iso-8859-1 is the default char set in the Internet, why isn't it 
 also the default for CFMX?

ISO-8859-1 has never been the default charset in the internet. 
The default charset in the internet used to be US-ASCII and 
gradually went from that to UTF-8 folowing the acceptance of RFC 
  2044 in October 1996. If you look at any modern RFC you will 
see that UTF-8 compatibility is mandatory and the ISO-8859-x 
charsets are not even mentioned.

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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-20 Thread Claude Schneegans
Because not all commonly used characters are in ISO-8859-1.

I know that you are a fervent suporter of Unicode, and I'm also, but only where 
I need it,
For some pages in some sites in some languages, YES, but for most european 
languages,
iso-8859-1 is the standard.
Of course, one can always use a combine harvester to mow one's green... ;-)

ISO-8859-1 has never been the default charset in the internet.

Officially not, but de facto, yes.
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Re: CFMX + UTF8 vs Javascript

2005-01-20 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Claude Schneegans wrote:
 Because not all commonly used characters are in ISO-8859-1.
 
 I know that you are a fervent suporter of Unicode, and I'm also, but only 
 where I need it,
 For some pages in some sites in some languages, YES, but for most european 
 languages,
 iso-8859-1 is the standard.

ISO-8859-1 doesn't even have the euro.


 ISO-8859-1 has never been the default charset in the internet.
 
 Officially not, but de facto, yes.

The time that internet was an exclusive North America and Western 
Europe party was also the time that US_ASCII was the standard. 
After that ISO-8859-1 may have been the biggest and the combined 
ISO-8859-x charsets carried considerable weight, but they were 
not a default standard. If only for the existence of Win1252, 
which is the subtly different Windows default.

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