Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?

2000-11-17 Thread Greg Wolfinger

> Ok, is everyone here special?I haven't seen anything about UD4 except for
> Macromedia's page, which says coming soon.

If you were at the developer conference, macromedia showed the new version
for about 150 developers who had to sign a NDA.  Still waiting on that
special gift promised to be sent to my work by Macromedia.  Anyone else get
it yet

Greg
- Original Message -
From: Jon Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 1:20 PM
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> Ok, is everyone here special?I haven't seen anything about UD4 except for
> Macromedia's page, which says coming soon.
>
> Anyone have a link?
> jon
> - Original Message -
> From: "Greg Wolfinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?
>
>
> > Dreamweaver is great for our graphic design department that doesn't
> > ColdFusion and (even though they say they do) HTML too.  For me, a web
> > developer I find that it slows me down.  They did improve the who table
> > support quite a bit however. But ooops I signed an NDA at the conference
> > last week.  S.
> >
> > Greg
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Tom Muck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?
> >
> >
> > > UD4 is awesome.  The Server Behavior builder will let you fill in your
> own
> > > code snippets with your own parameters so the next time you want to
> insert
> > > the code, a custom dialogue box will pop up and let you fill in all
the
> > > parameters.  It also does generation of some basic code so that you
can
> > get
> > > basic database-driven pages up there quickly.  UD1 was a little
limiting
> > for
> > > CF, but UD4 is great.
> > >
> > > tom
> > >
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> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > > features and SQL and more read  or take the product tour on it.
> > > >
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Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?

2000-11-16 Thread Tom Muck


> Ok, is everyone here special?I haven't seen anything about UD4 except for
> Macromedia's page, which says coming soon.
>
> Anyone have a link?
> jon


It was announced at the Dreamweaver conference on Monday.  Several of us are
on the UltraDev beta, which is why we know about the features.  The actual
program won't be released until next month.  All I can say is the program is
awesome for designers AND programmers.  I'm not a designer myself, but
consider myself a hard-core programmer.  UD is great because you can go into
code view, write your CF code, and then view it in design view as if it were
a CF page being served from the server -- and still being able to edit the
design, such as moving the tables around and changing styles, while viewing
the page.  UD4 is much more CF friendly than the first release.

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RE: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?

2000-11-16 Thread Paul Mone

http://www.macromedia.com/software/ultradev/

I think they officially announced it at the Dreamweaver 2000 Conference last
weekend.

-Original Message-
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Ok, is everyone here special?I haven't seen anything about UD4 except for
Macromedia's page, which says coming soon.

Anyone have a link?
jon
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?


> Dreamweaver is great for our graphic design department that doesn't
> ColdFusion and (even though they say they do) HTML too.  For me, a web
> developer I find that it slows me down.  They did improve the who table
> support quite a bit however. But ooops I signed an NDA at the conference
> last week.  S.
>
> Greg
> - Original Message -
> From: Tom Muck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?
>
>
> > UD4 is awesome.  The Server Behavior builder will let you fill in your
own
> > code snippets with your own parameters so the next time you want to
insert
> > the code, a custom dialogue box will pop up and let you fill in all the
> > parameters.  It also does generation of some basic code so that you can
> get
> > basic database-driven pages up there quickly.  UD1 was a little limiting
> for
> > CF, but UD4 is great.
> >
> > tom
> >
> > - Original Message -
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> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > >
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Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?

2000-11-16 Thread Jon Hall

Ok, is everyone here special?I haven't seen anything about UD4 except for
Macromedia's page, which says coming soon.

Anyone have a link?
jon
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> Dreamweaver is great for our graphic design department that doesn't
> ColdFusion and (even though they say they do) HTML too.  For me, a web
> developer I find that it slows me down.  They did improve the who table
> support quite a bit however. But ooops I signed an NDA at the conference
> last week.  S.
>
> Greg
> - Original Message -
> From: Tom Muck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?
>
>
> > UD4 is awesome.  The Server Behavior builder will let you fill in your
own
> > code snippets with your own parameters so the next time you want to
insert
> > the code, a custom dialogue box will pop up and let you fill in all the
> > parameters.  It also does generation of some basic code so that you can
> get
> > basic database-driven pages up there quickly.  UD1 was a little limiting
> for
> > CF, but UD4 is great.
> >
> > tom
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Shawn Regan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:38 AM
> > Subject: RE: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?
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> > >
> > > I think it looks better then 3, they have added to some code editing
> > > features and SQL and more read  or take the product tour on it.
> > >
> > > Shawn Regan
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Cold Fusion Developer
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RE: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?

2000-11-16 Thread Paul Ihrig

whats the  who table?
-paul

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> 
> Dreamweaver is great for our graphic design department that doesn't
> ColdFusion and (even though they say they do) HTML too.  For me, a web
> developer I find that it slows me down.  They did improve the who table
> support quite a bit however. But ooops I signed an NDA at the conference
> last week.  S.
> 
> Greg
> - Original Message -
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> Subject: Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?
> 
> 
> > UD4 is awesome.  The Server Behavior builder will let you fill in your
> own
> > code snippets with your own parameters so the next time you want to
> insert
> > the code, a custom dialogue box will pop up and let you fill in all the
> > parameters.  It also does generation of some basic code so that you can
> get
> > basic database-driven pages up there quickly.  UD1 was a little limiting
> for
> > CF, but UD4 is great.
> >
> > tom
> >
> > - Original Message -----
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> > > I think it looks better then 3, they have added to some code editing
> > > features and SQL and more read  or take the product tour on it.
> > >
> > > Shawn Regan
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Cold Fusion Developer
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Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?

2000-11-16 Thread Robert Sarno

He has already.  Same thing as Dreamweaver just supports color coding with 
ASP, JSP, and CF.  I prefer CF studio.

Rob


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Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?

2000-11-16 Thread Greg Wolfinger

Dreamweaver is great for our graphic design department that doesn't
ColdFusion and (even though they say they do) HTML too.  For me, a web
developer I find that it slows me down.  They did improve the who table
support quite a bit however. But ooops I signed an NDA at the conference
last week.  S.

Greg
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> UD4 is awesome.  The Server Behavior builder will let you fill in your own
> code snippets with your own parameters so the next time you want to insert
> the code, a custom dialogue box will pop up and let you fill in all the
> parameters.  It also does generation of some basic code so that you can
get
> basic database-driven pages up there quickly.  UD1 was a little limiting
for
> CF, but UD4 is great.
>
> tom
>
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Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?

2000-11-15 Thread Stephen M. Aylor


I think I'll wait till after ivanopolo reviews it :-)

kidding...

Steve




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Re: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?

2000-11-15 Thread Tom Muck

UD4 is awesome.  The Server Behavior builder will let you fill in your own
code snippets with your own parameters so the next time you want to insert
the code, a custom dialogue box will pop up and let you fill in all the
parameters.  It also does generation of some basic code so that you can get
basic database-driven pages up there quickly.  UD1 was a little limiting for
CF, but UD4 is great.

tom

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RE: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?

2000-11-15 Thread Shawn Regan

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-Original Message-
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?


Has anyone tried the new Dreamweaver Ultradev 4?  I thought version 3 (the
first) was ok, and a good start but was only for the most simple database
operations.

Challenge the SQL at all and it wasn't up to the task.

No doubt Macromedia have worked on that aspect, and I'd like to know if
it's worwhile having a look at it.

Similarly, has anyone tried the CFML add-ons to Adobe GoLive - do they do
anything better than Ultradev?

I know both these products don't substitute for good coding practices, but
I have some learners in my shop and I want to make them more productive
than they are.

Cheers,
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia.
AFP Web Development
http://www.afp.zip.com.au

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I think it looks better then 3, they have added to =
some code editing features and SQL and more read  or take the =
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Pacific Technology Solutions



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Has anyone tried the new Dreamweaver Ultradev =
4?  I thought version 3 (the
first) was ok, and a good start but was only for the =
most simple database
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Challenge the SQL at all and it wasn't up to the =
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No doubt Macromedia have worked on that aspect, and =
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Similarly, has anyone tried the CFML add-ons to Adobe =
GoLive - do they do
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I know both these products don't substitute for good =
coding practices, but
I have some learners in my shop and I want to make =
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Cheers,
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia.
AFP Web Development
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RE: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?

2000-11-15 Thread Paul Ihrig

Mike.
I have been using UD4 here at work for a bit.
it has really sped things up on simple intranet applications development.
i am by no means a good CF developer, so the visual interface UD provides is
great for me.

As far as the SQL side of it, it is still a little limited if you stay with
in the visual side.
I still Switch into CF-Studio, every 1/2 hour or so, to check my tags, &
statements.
But for layout & manipulation of live data in your page, it is a huge time
saver.

So all in all, i would say, Grab it, use the heck out of it.
let your JR developers get comfortable on it, than build some sweet Server
Behaviors for the rest of us to use!

I have not used GoLive, & probably never will.
UD will be a good start to make your people a little more productive.

have a good day!

-paul

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> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Kear [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 1:04 AM
> To:   CF-Talk
> Subject:  Dreamweaver Ultradev 4 - any good?
> 
> Has anyone tried the new Dreamweaver Ultradev 4?  I thought version 3 (the
> first) was ok, and a good start but was only for the most simple database
> operations.
> 
> Challenge the SQL at all and it wasn't up to the task.
> 
> No doubt Macromedia have worked on that aspect, and I'd like to know if
> it's worwhile having a look at it.
> 
> Similarly, has anyone tried the CFML add-ons to Adobe GoLive - do they do
> anything better than Ultradev?
> 
> I know both these products don't substitute for good coding practices, but
> I have some learners in my shop and I want to make them more productive
> than they are.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia.
> AFP Web Development
> http://www.afp.zip.com.au
> 
> "As a matter of fact, I  *DO* speak for my employer."
> 
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