Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-11 Thread Will Tomlinson
 Do a find for all the .zip files in the Program Files folder :-)
 The way I got it was to run the installer, and then when it was 
 unpacked and 


Dude, I still can't find it anywhere on here. Searched and searched it's 
like the Flex bermuda triangle!

Is there any way you could shoot me your coldfusion_flex.zip?

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-11 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Tuesday 11 July 2006 11:28, Will Tomlinson wrote:
 Dude, I still can't find it anywhere on here. Searched and searched
 it's like the Flex bermuda triangle!

Oddness.

 Is there any way you could shoot me your coldfusion_flex.zip?

Try here:
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-11 Thread Jose Diaz
This is an excellent book on learning flex well worth a read, however I do
believe it was for flex version 1.0

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321255666/103-8367109-1247065?v=glancen=283155

Jose Diaz


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 On Tuesday 11 July 2006 11:28, Will Tomlinson wrote:
  Dude, I still can't find it anywhere on here. Searched and searched
  it's like the Flex bermuda triangle!

 Oddness.

  Is there any way you could shoot me your coldfusion_flex.zip?

 Try here:
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-11 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
This book, written by one of my mates, was good for Flex 1 but it is so
outdated you may as well just use LiveDocs!

This book is up their side by side with my Spectra book ah Spectra







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This is an excellent book on learning flex well worth a read, however I do
believe it was for flex version 1.0

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321255666/103-8367109-1247065?v=glancen=2
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 On Tuesday 11 July 2006 11:28, Will Tomlinson wrote:
  Dude, I still can't find it anywhere on here. Searched and searched
  it's like the Flex bermuda triangle!

 Oddness.

  Is there any way you could shoot me your coldfusion_flex.zip?

 Try here:
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-11 Thread Will Tomlinson
 Try here:
 http://www.cfreport.org/downloads/CF_FB_Extensions.zip


Well now I've installed that one. The other one is named 
coldfusion_flex_extensions.zip

are these the same ya think? I was thinking the CF_FB one was for RDS, etc. 

If I'm in flex, what should I be looking for if the coldfusion extensions are 
installed?

Thanks and sorry for the hassle,
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-11 Thread Douglas Knudsen
in eclipse window  prefernces should have a RDS config point.  window
 show view  other should have a coldfusion choice with three views
under it.  You setup the RDS info in the first above.

DK

On 7/11/06, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Try here:
  http://www.cfreport.org/downloads/CF_FB_Extensions.zip


 Well now I've installed that one. The other one is named 
 coldfusion_flex_extensions.zip

 are these the same ya think? I was thinking the CF_FB one was for RDS, etc.

 If I'm in flex, what should I be looking for if the coldfusion extensions are 
 installed?

 Thanks and sorry for the hassle,
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-11 Thread Will Tomlinson
in eclipse window  prefernces should have a RDS config point.  window
 show view  other should have a coldfusion choice with three views
under it.  You setup the RDS info in the first above.



Ahh yes, I've got it! You rock dude!

now if I could just get somebody to show me howta link up my db data with this 
datagrid I dragged'n'dropped into design view. lol  :)

Thanks,
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-10 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Saturday 08 July 2006 20:13, Denny Valliant wrote:
 If I'm remembering right, the new 7.02 updater has the flex extensions
 built-in,
 so I was wondering if that's still necessary?
  CF_FB.zip and installed that.

The CF_FB... .zip are extensions for Eclipse or FlexBuilder that add RDS 
support.
Nothing to do with Flex remoting to the CF server.

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-10 Thread Will Tomlinson
A ... ok

Well that one's working because all my RDS is indeed there. But I never saw the 
zip it was telling me to install. H.. I'll look some more. 

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-10 Thread Will Tomlinson
 The CF_FB... .zip are extensions for Eclipse or FlexBuilder that add 
 RDS 
 support.
 Nothing to do with Flex remoting to the CF server.

Yeah I'm looking now and it was telling me to find coldfusion_flex_blahblah.zip 
in the flex builder 2 folder, when you run thru help  software updates  etc.

It isn't there. Any ideas where it might be? I've looked thru these subfolders 
and still don't see it. Maybe I can just dload it from the adobe site 
somewhere. Or somebody could email me this zip?

Thanks,
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-10 Thread Will Tomlinson
So it says this and I don't see it anywhere. And I don't see an extras 
directory. 

Select the ColdFusion_FlexBuilder_Feature.zip file, and then click Open.

The file is located in the Extras folder if you installed ColdFusion MX 7.0.2 
using the default values.

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-10 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Monday 10 July 2006 11:10, Will Tomlinson wrote:
 It isn't there. Any ideas where it might be? I've looked thru these
 subfolders and still don't see it. Maybe I can just dload it from the adobe
 site somewhere. Or somebody could email me this zip?

Do a find for all the .zip files in the Program Files folder :-)
The way I got it was to run the installer, and then when it was unpacked and 
waiting for the first button press, run a search across the whole disk for 
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-08 Thread Will Tomlinson
Prolly download again.  Seems to work fine for me.  Did you use an download
accelerator?  Those can be wonky sometimes...


Yep that worked. Got it all installed, but it asked me if I wanted to install 
the cf extensions, I followed the instructions, and the zip it told me to use 
wasn't there. I ended up finding one somewhere else called CF_FB.zip and 
installed that. 

Heck, I dunno. 

Thanks,
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-08 Thread Denny Valliant
If I'm remembering right, the new 7.02 updater has the flex extensions
built-in,
so I was wondering if that's still necessary?


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 Prolly download again.  Seems to work fine for me.  Did you use an
 download
 accelerator?  Those can be wonky sometimes...


 Yep that worked. Got it all installed, but it asked me if I wanted to
 install the cf extensions, I followed the instructions, and the zip it told
 me to use wasn't there. I ended up finding one somewhere else called
 CF_FB.zip and installed that.

 Heck, I dunno.

 Thanks,
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Thursday 06 July 2006 23:45, Denny Valliant wrote:
 Pretty much.  It's a font end / remote interface to X (X being Java, CF,
 ASP, etc heck, flat files even).  I think. I may be mixing openlaszlo
 in there too, but close enough, I figure.  It's an interface above all
 else.

The way I see it, what CFML did for HTML, Flex does for Flash.

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Will Tomlinson
 The way I see it, what CFML did for HTML, Flex does for Flash.
 

But now you're mixin me up. You're comparing CFML to something that's 
presentation only. 

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Will Tomlinson
And how can you get away with building a Flex ecommerce app when it won't be 
indexed by search engines? How would I ever explain that one to a client?

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Friday 07 July 2006 10:27, Will Tomlinson wrote:
 But now you're mixin me up. You're comparing CFML to something that's
 presentation only.

CFML is a presentation layer with cool integration with databases (I'm 
speaking roughly here, with as broad a brush as I can find :-) ), that 
renders to HTML.
MXML is a presentation layer with cool integration to remote services, that 
renders to Flash.

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Friday 07 July 2006 10:29, Will Tomlinson wrote:
 won't
 be indexed by search engines?

Only if you build it so that it wont be.

Typically, having a 'gateway' HTML page, or a Flash wrapper page with decent 
META tags will sort you out.

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RE: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
| Only if you build it so that it wont be.
| Typically, having a 'gateway' HTML page, or a Flash wrapper page with
| decent META tags will sort you out.

What do you base that on? Should each product have a gateway page then?

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Friday 07 July 2006 11:03, Hugo Ahlenius wrote:
 What do you base that on? Should each product have a gateway page then?

Depends if you want your whole product catalogue indexed or not.
It's not like you need generate them by hand.

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Rick Root
Tom Chiverton wrote:
 
 CFML is a presentation layer with cool integration with databases (I'm 
 speaking roughly here, with as broad a brush as I can find :-) ), that 
 renders to HTML.
 MXML is a presentation layer with cool integration to remote services, that 
 renders to Flash.


Neither.  CFML and MXML are languages used to CREATE presentation 
layers.  HTML and SWF movies are the presentation layer, not the 
languages used to generate them.  Especially since the CFML runs on the 
server, not on the client.

Maybe this is a better analogy...

What AJAX does for HTML, Flex does for Flash.. maybe that's closer.

Except most of what you could do in Flex could be done in the Flash 
Authoring environment.  Which is where Flex Builder comes in...

Flex Builder is really just an IDE that makes it easier to develop 
RIAs... anyone who has tried to build an RIA of any size using the Flash 
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Denny Valliant
On 7/6/06, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Neither.  CFML and MXML are languages used to CREATE presentation
 layers.  HTML and SWF movies are the presentation layer, not the
 languages used to generate them.  Especially since the CFML runs on the
 server, not on the client.


I think that MXML creates a presentation layer, or represents it, perhaps,
where as CFML really shouldn't have much to do with presentation.

I mean it can, but following X methodology, you should keep the presentation
logic separate from the actual heavy lifting code.  This is one I always
have
trouble with.  Separating the two.  CSS has helped, but I still find myself
putting
HTML in with stuff that shouldn't have any.  I'm getting better at it, but
sometimes
chopping stuff into it's component parts isn't as easy as you'd think.

Eh, live and learn!


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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Will Tomlinson
Dangit! Just dloaded a couple hundred megs of flex software, and I'm gettin 
executable has been corrupted errors.

UGH!

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Denny Valliant
I'm still running the release candidate, but I didn't have much trouble with
it.

Are you both getting the same error?

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 i cant get any thing to work in flex 2.0 either.
 feel like kicking my pc out the window.

 

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Will Tomlinson
i cant get any thing to work in flex 2.0 either.
feel like kicking my pc out the window.

Here's the error I'm getting when I try installing Flex. 

The contents of this file cannot be unpacked. The executable you are 
attemtting to run has been corrupted. Please obtain another copy of the file, 
verify its integrity,
and try again.

I also get an error when I try installing fds2-install.jar

That one says, Invalid or corruptp jar file

Maybe I should try downloading it again? heck, I dunno.

Will

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-07 Thread Denny Valliant
Prolly download again.  Seems to work fine for me.  Did you use an download
accelerator?  Those can be wonky sometimes...

On 7/7/06, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i cant get any thing to work in flex 2.0 either.
 feel like kicking my pc out the window.

 Here's the error I'm getting when I try installing Flex.

 The contents of this file cannot be unpacked. The executable you are
 attemtting to run has been corrupted. Please obtain another copy of the
 file, verify its integrity,
 and try again.

 I also get an error when I try installing fds2-install.jar

 That one says, Invalid or corruptp jar file

 Maybe I should try downloading it again? heck, I dunno.

 Will

 

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Yes you can use it on it's own.






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Subject: Flex / Coldfusion question...

I just spoke with a friend that said they knew someone who just bought Flex,
then returned it because they couldn't figure it out. I know this person
doesn't have CF installed. 

At CFUNITED, Flex was presented as something that just replaces HTML, and it
still needs CF server to interact with db's and such. Is this all it does?
Is it possible to use Flex on its own, without CF?

Apparently, the Adobe site makes no mention of CF in the Flex sales
material. Maybe someone could explain a little further? 

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread Will Tomlinson
Yes you can use it on it's own.

Like, how? And why is CF not mentioned anywhere on the adobe site?

http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/productinfo/systemreqs/

Thanks,
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RE: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread Brad Wood
Flex is an interface only.  Flex is an xml markup (mxml) which is
complied to generate a flash movie (.swf).  It does not run any code on
the server, but instead is loaded on the client in the user's browser.
Flex is not CF in any way shape or form.  You can in fact build a flash
interface using Flex and no Cold Fusion.

Now, here's the catch, if you want to have server side interaction with
your flash front end (db calls, etc) then you are going to have to have
some web services in place which your flex front end can consume.  These
web services can really be written in anything you want.  It just to
happens that Cold Fusion works very well to write web accessible CFC's
for Flex to use flash remoting to access.  

Using a Flex (Flash) interface consuming Cold Fusion web services is ONE
WAY to use Flex.  Flex, however as a language, is not dependant in any
way on Cold Fusion, or any specific server side language.

Of course, Macrodobie tries to make it as easy as possible for people
out there to pair them together.  That makes it easier to integrate, and
is more money for them.  :)

Hope that helps a bit.  I know I grappled for a while about exactly how
Flex would fit into the market.  Another thing you will hear people say
is that Flex will replace CF.  That is in no way a true statement, since
they are two different technologies which can work hand in hand.

~Brad

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Flex / Coldfusion question...

I just spoke with a friend that said they knew someone who just bought
Flex, then returned it because they couldn't figure it out. I know this
person doesn't have CF installed. 

At CFUNITED, Flex was presented as something that just replaces HTML,
and it still needs CF server to interact with db's and such. Is this all
it does? Is it possible to use Flex on its own, without CF?

Apparently, the Adobe site makes no mention of CF in the Flex sales
material. Maybe someone could explain a little further? 

Thanks,
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RE: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread Ian Skinner
Flex can be used standalone if you aren't using data at all.

You can connect Flex to data back-ends with xml, web-services, the additional 
Flex Data Services component (a J2EE application) OR ColdFusion/Flash Remoting.

So there is much that can be done with Flex without ColdFusion.  Alternatively 
there are some very cool things that can be done with Flex and ColdFusion 
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RE: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread Munson, Jacob
It is just an interface building language.  Can you write a standalone
HTML app, or do you have to have CF for that to work?  It's the same
idea. 

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 Yes you can use it on it's own.
 
 Like, how? And why is CF not mentioned anywhere on the adobe site?
 
 http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/productinfo/systemreqs/

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread Will Tomlinson
Good stuff! This definitely helps!

Thanks much,
Will

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread Denny Valliant
On 7/6/06, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At CFUNITED, Flex was presented as something that just replaces HTML, and
 it still needs CF server to interact with db's and such. Is this all it
 does?


Pretty much.  It's a font end / remote interface to X (X being Java, CF,
ASP, etc heck, flat files even).  I think. I may be mixing openlaszlo in
there too, but close enough, I figure.  It's an interface above all else.

Is it possible to use Flex on its own, without CF?


Yuppers.  The main benefit to CF integration is the RDS stuff,
auto-generation of DAOs and whatnot, I feel.
Ready made tools, if you will, vs. self rolled.

Apparently, the Adobe site makes no mention of CF in the Flex sales
 material. Maybe someone could explain a little further?


They want to target more than just CF.  And with a IDE like FB2, I mean,
wow, that's nice.  CF is mentioned, but downplayed, if I recall (which I
might not- I peruse a volume of info, and it bleeds a bit, so...).

But basicly yes, Flex is an interface to/for many things, not just CF.
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Those wizards look pretty amazing though- many thx to the creators of those
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread Will Tomlinson
K gotcha! 

Thanks!

Will

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread Rick Root
Will Tomlinson wrote:
 
 Like, how? And why is CF not mentioned anywhere on the adobe site?
 
 http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/productinfo/systemreqs/

CF isn't mentioned as a requirement for a very simple reason.

CF isn't required.

Flex apps can interact with all kinds of external data, including XML 
files, web services, and flash remoting (which *ALSO* doesn't require 
coldfusion).  So the backend to flex can be xml files, perl, php, asp, 
..net, python, java servlets, jsp, C... you name it.  if you can generate 
XML or build SOAP-based web services with a language - you can build a 
backend to Flex with it.

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread Casey Dougall
Get out your actionscript 3.0 books boys and girls, there are some
wizzards but you'll still need to have some flash skills to make anything
really cool.

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread James Holmes
The easiet way to work out flex is to dowload the free trial and try
it. Work through the getting started tutorial - build the rss reader,
for example.

On 7/7/06, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just spoke with a friend that said they knew someone who just bought Flex, 
 then returned it because they couldn't figure it out. I know this person 
 doesn't have CF installed.

 At CFUNITED, Flex was presented as something that just replaces HTML, and it 
 still needs CF server to interact with db's and such. Is this all it does? Is 
 it possible to use Flex on its own, without CF?

 Apparently, the Adobe site makes no mention of CF in the Flex sales material. 
 Maybe someone could explain a little further?

-- 
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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread Aaron Rouse
What is a good AS 3.0 book for a beginner?

On 7/6/06, Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 really cool.

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Re: Flex / Coldfusion question...

2006-07-06 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Indeed, and it will always be a flash interface..

You can look at Backbase as well, does the same thing but in Ajax.





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