Re: NFL Player Stats Service
http://www.yellowbrix.com/index.nsp?T=NormalP=ProductsF=CSSS I talked with them a few times but my customer didnt want to pay me what I charged let alone the monthly charge from yellowbrix. They do offer other feeds besides sports. -- ~Eric ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:254078 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: NFL Player Stats Service
Cf-community now I think. This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Denny Valliant To: CF-Talk Sent: Sat Sep 23 22:51:23 2006 Subject: Re: NFL Player Stats Service Hey Joe, On 9/23/06, Joe FitzGerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same goes for laws. What I'd like to reflect on, is the fact that we can help steer the direction these laws go, and in fact, probably should. I think it's pretty shameful how much power corporations have, I mean, it's pretty blatant that big $$ is doing what it can to protect it's interests, in general. And it's doing pretty well so far, judging by the state of some things. I disagree with this sentiment completely. Copyright laws are not being pushed or protected by/because of corporations -- they're protecting the individual!! And these laws are pushed and protected by those individuals. Photographers, journalists, novelists...the only way they can protect their intellectual property is through our copyright laws. Do they benefit corporations too? Of course. They benefit whomever is creating the intellectual property -- the person/people that actually did the work of creating the information in the first place. I don't disagree that copyright is designed to protect the author. And I'm not advocating an abolishment of it, or some such. But look at the public domain- Now you can have perpetual copyright, pretty much. My comment about we all gotta eat, or whatever, was an allusion to the fact that people still need to be able to make money off of their ideas and work. But I'm surprised you don't see a gravitation of power to money. Things like (sigh) the DCMA make me wonder. It also bothers me that my technology here in the states is /hobbled!/ because some record company exec wants to saturate the market. That ain't right. Not really a direct correlation to copyright law, but it's definitely part of what I'm talking about. These laws are critical to the survival and progress of our economic system and our culture. They are an essential part of both and if we're going to take a stance on the issues (which is a fine point) it should be in support of the copyright laws not against it. I support the need for people to get what's coming to them, but I don't think that the laws, as they stand now, are at an optimum. Law is fluid though, and it's interesting to watch precedents get set, and whatnot. That said, there are most certainly times when people -- or more often -- corporations try to take copyright protections too far. For instance, suggesting that game results for broadcast sporting events -- or even the statistics themselves -- are copyright of the owners of the league is ridiculous (anyone watching the game could compile those statistics). We recently had a ruling related to this in the US that declared the pro sports leagues don't have ownership rights to player and game statistics -- but they do have rights to THEIR version of those statistics. Well, technically, as you stated before, just because you can watch or see something doesn't make it yours. With some stuff, you can't even tell someone you saw something... that knowledge, even while in your head, belongs to someone else. (Have I mentioned that I loved the book Snow Crash? ;). How about recording something off TV, say a football game... if it were up to Big Money, you'd have to pay to watch it again, even for personal use. Just look at what they already have in place. And then you've got stuff like, if you read Alice in Wonderland aloud, you are breaking the law. Is that really the intended spirit? Is that what all those soldiers died for? Add to this whole deal, the fact that the more money you have, the better you'll do in court. Generally. It's sad, but true. I don't have a staff of high $$ lawyers on hand to aggressively do stuff for me. Most o us don't. Suggesting that anyone should be able to freely take someone else's hard work is ludicrous -- in this example, someone spent the time to collect/compile the information or they purchased it from someone who did, so they should have protection from other people stealing that information from them. I never suggested such a thing. And using
Re: NFL Player Stats Service
Cf-community now I think. Agreed... Denny, thanks for sharing your last post as it definitely clarified for me your position, which I obviously misunderstood from your first post (my bad). I completely agree that this is an area of law that is constantly being refined and it is in all our interests to make sure it is heading in the right direction. As slightly more on-topic conclusion, anyone interested in dealing with data re: realtime sporting events may be interested in checking out sports-ml. I believe there is a yahoo group on it, but it is basically an effort to standardize the transcripts to make it easier to process. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253991 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: NFL Player Stats Service
Same goes for laws. What I'd like to reflect on, is the fact that we can help steer the direction these laws go, and in fact, probably should. I think it's pretty shameful how much power corporations have, I mean, it's pretty blatant that big $$ is doing what it can to protect it's interests, in general. And it's doing pretty well so far, judging by the state of some things. I disagree with this sentiment completely. Copyright laws are not being pushed or protected by/because of corporations -- they're protecting the individual!! And these laws are pushed and protected by those individuals. Photographers, journalists, novelists...the only way they can protect their intellectual property is through our copyright laws. Do they benefit corporations too? Of course. They benefit whomever is creating the intellectual property -- the person/people that actually did the work of creating the information in the first place. These laws are critical to the survival and progress of our economic system and our culture. They are an essential part of both and if we're going to take a stance on the issues (which is a fine point) it should be in support of the copyright laws not against it. That said, there are most certainly times when people -- or more often -- corporations try to take copyright protections too far. For instance, suggesting that game results for broadcast sporting events -- or even the statistics themselves -- are copyright of the owners of the league is ridiculous (anyone watching the game could compile those statistics). We recently had a ruling related to this in the US that declared the pro sports leagues don't have ownership rights to player and game statistics -- but they do have rights to THEIR version of those statistics. Suggesting that anyone should be able to freely take someone else's hard work is ludicrous -- in this example, someone spent the time to collect/compile the information or they purchased it from someone who did, so they should have protection from other people stealing that information from them. Copyright laws -- as they exist today -- are good for all of us. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253971 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: NFL Player Stats Service
On 9/23/06, Joe FitzGerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copyright laws -- as they exist today -- are good for all of us. Yes, if your in the USA, or country that protects works based on this. Now this is all good and dandy but many in the US, forget to send a copy to the library of congress. this is a part, not all of the procedure but if you ever want to take it to court you better send it in!!! ~~ -- Casey Dougall Web Applications Developer Ph: 518 743-9424 Fax: 743-0337 Mannix Marketing Inc. 33 Park St. Third Floor, Glens Falls, New York 12801 ~~ wWw.TerrainAssassin.cOm - Nov1 2006 ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253975 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: NFL Player Stats Service
Hey Joe, On 9/23/06, Joe FitzGerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same goes for laws. What I'd like to reflect on, is the fact that we can help steer the direction these laws go, and in fact, probably should. I think it's pretty shameful how much power corporations have, I mean, it's pretty blatant that big $$ is doing what it can to protect it's interests, in general. And it's doing pretty well so far, judging by the state of some things. I disagree with this sentiment completely. Copyright laws are not being pushed or protected by/because of corporations -- they're protecting the individual!! And these laws are pushed and protected by those individuals. Photographers, journalists, novelists...the only way they can protect their intellectual property is through our copyright laws. Do they benefit corporations too? Of course. They benefit whomever is creating the intellectual property -- the person/people that actually did the work of creating the information in the first place. I don't disagree that copyright is designed to protect the author. And I'm not advocating an abolishment of it, or some such. But look at the public domain- Now you can have perpetual copyright, pretty much. My comment about we all gotta eat, or whatever, was an allusion to the fact that people still need to be able to make money off of their ideas and work. But I'm surprised you don't see a gravitation of power to money. Things like (sigh) the DCMA make me wonder. It also bothers me that my technology here in the states is /hobbled!/ because some record company exec wants to saturate the market. That ain't right. Not really a direct correlation to copyright law, but it's definitely part of what I'm talking about. These laws are critical to the survival and progress of our economic system and our culture. They are an essential part of both and if we're going to take a stance on the issues (which is a fine point) it should be in support of the copyright laws not against it. I support the need for people to get what's coming to them, but I don't think that the laws, as they stand now, are at an optimum. Law is fluid though, and it's interesting to watch precedents get set, and whatnot. That said, there are most certainly times when people -- or more often -- corporations try to take copyright protections too far. For instance, suggesting that game results for broadcast sporting events -- or even the statistics themselves -- are copyright of the owners of the league is ridiculous (anyone watching the game could compile those statistics). We recently had a ruling related to this in the US that declared the pro sports leagues don't have ownership rights to player and game statistics -- but they do have rights to THEIR version of those statistics. Well, technically, as you stated before, just because you can watch or see something doesn't make it yours. With some stuff, you can't even tell someone you saw something... that knowledge, even while in your head, belongs to someone else. (Have I mentioned that I loved the book Snow Crash? ;). How about recording something off TV, say a football game... if it were up to Big Money, you'd have to pay to watch it again, even for personal use. Just look at what they already have in place. And then you've got stuff like, if you read Alice in Wonderland aloud, you are breaking the law. Is that really the intended spirit? Is that what all those soldiers died for? Add to this whole deal, the fact that the more money you have, the better you'll do in court. Generally. It's sad, but true. I don't have a staff of high $$ lawyers on hand to aggressively do stuff for me. Most o us don't. Suggesting that anyone should be able to freely take someone else's hard work is ludicrous -- in this example, someone spent the time to collect/compile the information or they purchased it from someone who did, so they should have protection from other people stealing that information from them. I never suggested such a thing. And using this example, do you really think the people who paid someone to do it for them, would take kindly to those who did it thyself? I'd put my money on the poor lone tally-er getting his ass sued anyway. Who do you think will have more lawyers? What constitutes stealing? Copyright laws -- as they exist today -- are good for all of us. Heh. This is a blanket statement that I wouldn't touch with a 40 meter stick. Like I said, it's a mixed bag/balancing act. A lot depends on context, and how the stuff is being applied. Part of the problem is that some stuff looks good on paper, but is pretty hard to get going in real life. Pointing at the paper, and wanting it to work... well, that's great sentiment. We're in a new age, like it or not. It's a global economy, and a global world. We need to rethink a lot of what is established, if we want to keep up in this fast paced game we play together. Don't get me wrong, this is a game that's
Re: NFL Player Stats Service
On Thursday 21 September 2006 15:33, Joe FitzGerald wrote: so. In this case, it would definitely be illegal because the people displaying the information do not have permission to share the information with anyone else It's on their web site, freely accessable, no ? Tough - you are free to do what you want with it. This isn't tv guide data where the information producers actively want to push their schedule information out to the public Not heard about ITV over in the UK then ? They refuse to give out their listings info for free except on their own web site. Despite having done so for years. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to seamlessly architect turn-key services This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253818 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: NFL Player Stats Service
From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2006 12:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: NFL Player Stats Service It's on their web site, freely accessable, no ? Tough - you are free to do what you want with it. You'd have a hard job proving that one in court, I suspect. Some data is so obviously 'open source' that you could scrape it with no problem. I was once asked for nearly £20k to have football league tables supplied, via SQL Server, from the Press Association. However since these are calculated based on freely-available results, there's very little stopping you from scraping them and saying you did the calculations yourself. However there aren't many places that can tell you the colour of shirt for every team that kicked the ball last in every football game in the UK each week (as the Press Association provides to bookmakers) so if you nicked something like that from a site, they'd know fine if you had a license to use it or not. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253820 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: NFL Player Stats Service
On Thursday 21 September 2006 15:33, Joe FitzGerald wrote: so. In this case, it would definitely be illegal because the people displaying the information do not have permission to share the information with anyone else It's on their web site, freely accessable, no ? Tough - you are free to do what you want with it. Apparently you aren't familiar with copyright laws. Just because you can see something doesn't give you the right to use it in any way you'd like -- at least not legally speaking which is what I was referring to... By all means, go ahead and scrape away. Unless you are making money off the information -- or they can show they lost money because of you -- then you likely wouldn't be liable for damages although they would certainly be able to shut your website down. Of course, if your site earns any revenue or if they earn revenue on their site (which they surely do), then they'll come after you for the money and they'll get it. Copyright law. Look it up. This isn't tv guide data where the information producers actively want to push their schedule information out to the public Not heard about ITV over in the UK then ? They refuse to give out their listings info for free except on their own web site. Despite having done so for years. What I was suggesting is simply that there are some types of information that publishers offer freely because they've determined it is in their best interest to do so. Others choose to restrict the use of their published materials for the same reason. Either way, it is the publishers choice -- not the reader's choice. Any company who believes that because they can access a webpage means they have the right to do with it as they please will not likely be very successful in the web world because as soon as they attain any level of success with that model, the copyright holders will shut them down and take all their money -- it isn't a good business model. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253831 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: NFL Player Stats Service
It's on their web site, freely accessable, no ? Tough - you are free to do what you want with it. Likewise, they are free to sue you for copyright infringement - and they will win. This is a pretty well-settled part of copyright law. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore and Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253832 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: NFL Player Stats Service
Some data is so obviously 'open source' that you could scrape it with no problem. Even if data is available within the public domain, you don't necessarily have the right to scrape it from a specific provider of that data. This is also well-settled copyright law, as I recall. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore and Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253833 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Friday 22 September 2006 12:05, David Low wrote: week (as the Press Association provides to bookmakers) so if you nicked something like that from a site, they'd know fine if you had a license to use it or not. You could have gone and seen it yourself. Or your friend could have. shrug -- Tom Chiverton Helping to seamlessly participate clicks-and-mortar services This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253839 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: NFL Player Stats Service
From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2006 14:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: NFL Player Stats Service You could have gone and seen it yourself. Or your friend could have. shrug I wouldn't dispute that. The biggest nonsense of all is fixture lists in the UK - they're 'owned' by a third party which in turn pays the football leagues a royalty. No site is allowed to show more than 1 fixture ahead of the current date, without a license - and they protect the rights very strongly. However surely once the fixtures are published, they're in the public domain? It's not like they're going to change too often. Cup draws are free to use, because they nearly always get drawn in public. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253840 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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There was a great (reoccurring) thread on licensing on another list the other day... good stuff. Anyway, the Law is a lot like the dictionary (here we go ;)... See, if a word gets used enough, it gets in, basically. Same goes for laws. What I'd like to reflect on, is the fact that we can help steer the direction these laws go, and in fact, probably should. I think it's pretty shameful how much power corporations have, I mean, it's pretty blatant that big $$ is doing what it can to protect it's interests, in general. And it's doing pretty well so far, judging by the state of some things. I just want to be sure everyone knows that just because something is established, doesn't make it right, and we are in a whole new age here, some types of thinking are going to have to get different. Or it's gonna slow us down. I like speed, and prefer the yay, this is fun, and I most likely won't get hurt to the Yay, this is fun, but I think at any moment this will end badly, I hope they can get an ambulance or a chopper here fast variety. Not that it matters, but anyway. I'd love to see an age of enlightenment, maybe even a Golden Age, 'roundabout now, and something tells me that knowledge, and ideas, and ideas about ideas and ownership/dissemination, play a key role in the picture. If we let big business set the precedents, the outlook isn't as good for Everyone as it truly could be. I don't have the answer. It's a balancing act, always, and people gotta eat, ya know. Mmmm... Food... Yeah, TGIF! Sorry for the random post folks. I reckon it's preaching to the chior about this stuff, neh? This, totally off topic, stuff? Never forget we create this reality =]eN* ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253950 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: NFL Player Stats Service
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 18:47, Ray Champagne wrote: $1000 p/mo), or scrape screens (I would think this would be virtually impossible with player stats) illegally and risk getting caught, no. Impossible is a strong word. Why would it be illegal ? -- Tom Chiverton Helping to ambassadorially monetize cross-media clusters This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253720 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Wednesday 20 September 2006 18:47, Ray Champagne wrote: $1000 p/mo), or scrape screens (I would think this would be virtually impossible with player stats) illegally and risk getting caught, no. Impossible is a strong word. Why would it be illegal ? Screen-scraping is general illegal unless you have express permission to do so. In this case, it would definitely be illegal because the people displaying the information do not have permission to share the information with anyone else -- their license (from Stats, Inc or the other company that provides the service (there were only two companies providing this service back when I 2000 when I needed it, maybe there are more now). I know of no free way to get this information. License cost varies widely depending upon the use and distribution of the information. I haven't looked in a long time, but I'd bet the lowest end licenses are likely in that $1,000/mo ball-park. This isn't tv guide data where the information producers actively want to push their schedule information out to the public -- these companies have guys sitting at all these games recording every pitch/play...so I doubt you'll ever see it offered for free. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253727 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: NFL Player Stats Service
I asked about this a week or so ago, and got no answer. Also did some googling, and unless you want to pay exorbitant fees (I seem to remember $1000 p/mo), or scrape screens (I would think this would be virtually impossible with player stats) illegally and risk getting caught, no. Would be nice to see a free webservice that would allow you to at least get scores on a 15 minute delay or something, much like the stock market. -Original Message- From: Chad McCue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: NFL Player Stats Service Anyone know of a site or service that is free or relatively cheap that will supply real time NFL players data via xml feed or feed into a SQL database? ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:253644 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
