Re: outlook 2007 and cfmail

2011-04-05 Thread Rob Voyle

Hi Ken

I agree with you on your outlook on outlook. I have even questioned the 
legitimacy of their birth.

I haven't tried . I know Outlook 2007 won't do  html tags so I had to 
create a table to create bullets. 

I just tried within a paragraph 2 without any additional css and it 
worked in outlook 2007

I also created a superscript with 2 it worked in firefox but not outlook 2007.

Rob
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On 5 Apr 2011 at 20:49, Ken Hammond wrote:

> 
> I do all in-line CSS. I use emailonacid.com to check against just
> about every mail client out there :-)
> 
> Outlook 2007/2010 are the only clients that have problems,
> absolutely hate them. 
> 
> Ken
> 



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Re: outlook 2007 and cfmail

2011-04-05 Thread Ken Hammond

Actually Russ, 2007 and 2010 use word. They stopped using IE with Outlook 
2003...

As taken from the article below:
"Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 uses the HTML parsing and rendering engine from 
Microsoft Office Word 2007 to display HTML message bodies. The same HTML and 
cascading style sheets (CSS) support available in Word 2007 is available in 
Outlook 2007."

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338201(v=office.12).aspx

Ken

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On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Russ Michaels  wrote:

> 
> Outlook 2007 actually does a very good job of rendering HTML emails as it
> uses IE to do the job. Outlook 2010 is the problem as they switched to using
> the word html rendering engine.
> However you need to remember that HTML emails are not rendered the same in
> all email clients, so you need to keep it as simple as possible and only do
> things that will work in most email clients.
> There are a number of sites out there which give you a matrix of which
> tags/CSS rules work and which don't in which email client, if you google the
> topic you will get plenty of results.
> 
> There is also www.campaignmonitor.com which has built in emulators to show
> you how your email will look in all the major clients.
> 
> Russ
> 
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:26 PM,  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Outlook's HTML rendering engine is garbage. Copy/paste the HTML into Word,
>> tweak it and copy/paste the source back into your app. It isn't pretty.
>> 
>> 
>> http://blogs.sitepoint.com/microsoft-breaks-html-email-rendering-in-outlook/
>> 
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338200.aspx
>> 
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>> On Apr 5, 2011 3:16pm, Ken Hammond  wrote:
>> 
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>>> I am having the hardest time with outlook 2007 and html/css... If I use a
>> 
>>> smaller font (say 6px-8px) for a command it sits the text right next
>> 
>>> to it, it won't even superscript it. So... I increase the size to
>> 
>>> accommodate that then other mail clients have a HUGE superscripted
>>> services
>> 
>>> mark (sm)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Anyone else have these problems?
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Re: outlook 2007 and cfmail

2011-04-05 Thread Ken Hammond

I do all in-line CSS. I use emailonacid.com to check against just about every 
mail client out there :-)

Outlook 2007/2010 are the only clients that have problems, absolutely hate 
them. 

Ken

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On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Rob Voyle"  wrote:

> 
> Hi Ken
> 
> How are you composing the email and how many email clients are you concerned 
> about. Outlook 2007 is a real bear. I have just spent days tweaking an email 
> newsletter to work on all the mail clients I can find. Its a hodge podge, a 
> little 
> xhtml a little inline css. Don't put the css in the header as it will be 
> stripped out 
> by many web based mail clients. and some clients don't do 

Re: outlook 2007 and cfmail

2011-04-05 Thread Rob Voyle

Hi Ken

How are you composing the email and how many email clients are you concerned 
about. Outlook 2007 is a real bear. I have just spent days tweaking an email 
newsletter to work on all the mail clients I can find. Its a hodge podge, a 
little 
xhtml a little inline css. Don't put the css in the header as it will be 
stripped out 
by many web based mail clients. and some clients don't do 

Re: outlook 2007 and cfmail

2011-04-05 Thread Russ Michaels

Outlook 2007 actually does a very good job of rendering HTML emails as it
uses IE to do the job. Outlook 2010 is the problem as they switched to using
the word html rendering engine.
However you need to remember that HTML emails are not rendered the same in
all email clients, so you need to keep it as simple as possible and only do
things that will work in most email clients.
There are a number of sites out there which give you a matrix of which
tags/CSS rules work and which don't in which email client, if you google the
topic you will get plenty of results.

There is also www.campaignmonitor.com which has built in emulators to show
you how your email will look in all the major clients.

Russ

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:26 PM,  wrote:

>
> Outlook's HTML rendering engine is garbage. Copy/paste the HTML into Word,
> tweak it and copy/paste the source back into your app. It isn't pretty.
>
>
> http://blogs.sitepoint.com/microsoft-breaks-html-email-rendering-in-outlook/
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338200.aspx
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2011 3:16pm, Ken Hammond  wrote:
>
>
> > I am having the hardest time with outlook 2007 and html/css... If I use a
>
> > smaller font (say 6px-8px) for a command it sits the text right next
>
> > to it, it won't even superscript it. So... I increase the size to
>
> > accommodate that then other mail clients have a HUGE superscripted
> > services
>
> > mark (sm)
>
>
>
> > Anyone else have these problems?
>
>
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> >
>
> 

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Re: outlook 2007 and cfmail

2011-04-05 Thread jqdurham

Outlook's HTML rendering engine is garbage. Copy/paste the HTML into Word,  
tweak it and copy/paste the source back into your app. It isn't pretty.

http://blogs.sitepoint.com/microsoft-breaks-html-email-rendering-in-outlook/

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa338200.aspx


On Apr 5, 2011 3:16pm, Ken Hammond  wrote:


> I am having the hardest time with outlook 2007 and html/css... If I use a

> smaller font (say 6px-8px) for a command it sits the text right next

> to it, it won't even superscript it. So... I increase the size to

> accommodate that then other mail clients have a HUGE superscripted  
> services

> mark (sm)



> Anyone else have these problems?









> 

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