RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
There is no need for XHTML currently, XHTML != Semantics. XHTML is fitted for the job of being extendible, which is currently not possible in IE, also IE can't even handle XHTML (because it does not recognize the required mimetype for XHTML). Better stick to XHTML syntax in quirks, or HTML 4 with valid semantics. Micha Schopman Software Engineer Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193793 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
Pardon me as I catch up on my CF-Talk reading here... Claude Schneegans wrote: single tags such as br, img, etc close themselves (a la br/). Completely useless, but anyway... Useless looking, but making your pages fully standard XML is an awesome thing. 2) all tag attributes must be lowercase. This I really hate. Since HTML is actually a mix of several languages like Javascript, CSS, etc, See, that's where you're wrong. HTML, especially XHTML, isn't a mix of any other languages. Just like you should practice MVC on the server-side, you split your structure (html) from your presentation (css) from your behavior (js) on the client side. They're separate and don't need to be mixed. Here's a couple recent references: http://adactio.com/articles/display.php/this_year's_document_object_model http://www.alistapart.com/articles/scripttriggers/ and text, I find much clearer to have all tags in upper case, including CFML, and the rest in lowercase. It is much easier to separate different parts, especially that text is mostly lower case. It can be easier to read, uppercased, but it's part of the basics of XML. When you get used to it, lowercase tags are much easier to read, but that's me. -nathan strutz ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193703 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
you need to create a DTD to encompass all these.. W3C has a good example.. [XHTMLMOD] Well, we were talking about mime-types not DTD/Schema. BTW you don't need to create a DTD for mixing different XML languages inside the same document, just use different namespaces (I guess we are really OT now...) Massimo Foti DW tools: http://www.massimocorner.com CF tools: http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193168 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
Actually xHTML works fine in IE provided it is xHTML 1.0 served as text through a mime type of text/html. It's the xhtml served as : application/xhtml+xml, application/xml or text/xml that causes problems in IE.(That's why I can't go to xHTML 1.1 since it has to be served with one of those mime types.) http://www.w3.org/International/articles/serving-xhtml/ Just remember to dump the prolog when serving xHTML (?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?). It throws IE into quirks mode. (Quirks mode = non cross browser rendering compatibility and is not to be desired). cf_northeasternshout Hallelujah! They are listening! /cf_northeasternshout Sandy -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 2:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?) XHTML is still unsupported by IE, so if you need to develop for IE, use quirks mode at least, or stick to 4.01 Micha Schopman Software Engineer Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 4 februari 2005 3:53 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?) TinyMCE outputs XHTML, so no problems there... -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 4 February 2005 10:37 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?) From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cleaning up the deprecated tags like font and the like will also really clean up the code (and by putting all of the presentation code into css, your pages will load that much faster)! /me hears ms. clark shout an amen from up north :) I wonder what will happen to all those nifty WYSIWYG editors... I have never been a fan of the HTML they output. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193056 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
Dreamweaver also does XHMTL... - Calvin -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 9:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?) TinyMCE outputs XHTML, so no problems there... -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 4 February 2005 10:37 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?) From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cleaning up the deprecated tags like font and the like will also really clean up the code (and by putting all of the presentation code into css, your pages will load that much faster)! /me hears ms. clark shout an amen from up north :) I wonder what will happen to all those nifty WYSIWYG editors... I have never been a fan of the HTML they output. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193061 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
XHTML in general has to be served as application/xhtml+xml, application/xml or text/xml to be valid. So serving the files with a mimetype other than the required results in invalid XHTML, although the format looks XHTML valid. More about this on the blog of Anne, who explains everything in detail and written out. www.annevankesteren.nl Micha Schopman Software Engineer Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 4 februari 2005 14:06 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?) Actually xHTML works fine in IE provided it is xHTML 1.0 served as text through a mime type of text/html. It's the xhtml served as : application/xhtml+xml, application/xml or text/xml that causes problems in IE.(That's why I can't go to xHTML 1.1 since it has to be served with one of those mime types.) http://www.w3.org/International/articles/serving-xhtml/ Just remember to dump the prolog when serving xHTML (?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?). It throws IE into quirks mode. (Quirks mode = non cross browser rendering compatibility and is not to be desired). cf_northeasternshout Hallelujah! They are listening! /cf_northeasternshout Sandy -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 2:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?) XHTML is still unsupported by IE, so if you need to develop for IE, use quirks mode at least, or stick to 4.01 Micha Schopman Software Engineer Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 4 februari 2005 3:53 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?) TinyMCE outputs XHTML, so no problems there... -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 4 February 2005 10:37 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?) From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cleaning up the deprecated tags like font and the like will also really clean up the code (and by putting all of the presentation code into css, your pages will load that much faster)! /me hears ms. clark shout an amen from up north :) I wonder what will happen to all those nifty WYSIWYG editors... I have never been a fan of the HTML they output. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193065 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] XHTML in general has to be served as application/xhtml+xml, application/xml or text/xml to be valid. So serving the files with a mimetype other than the required results in invalid XHTML, although the format looks XHTML valid. I tend to agree (see my CF tools page with a Gekko based browser), but I feel there is more than that. With XHTML you can create compound documents, mixing different XML languages inside the same document, like a XHTML file that contains SVG, MathML or RSS. In such a scenario XHTML may simply act as a container. How about that? What's the correct mime-type for such a kind of beast? I have the feeling a simple mime-type isn't able to express the real nature of a compound XML document... Massimo Foti DW tools: http://www.massimocorner.com CF tools: http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193096 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
I believe that it's still the XHTML MIME type, because that's what the document acutally, is regardless of what other stuff it might have embedded in it. But you're right, the MIME type is utterly insufficient for describing a compound XML document. cheers, barneyb On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 17:03:18 +0100, Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] XHTML in general has to be served as application/xhtml+xml, application/xml or text/xml to be valid. So serving the files with a mimetype other than the required results in invalid XHTML, although the format looks XHTML valid. I tend to agree (see my CF tools page with a Gekko based browser), but I feel there is more than that. With XHTML you can create compound documents, mixing different XML languages inside the same document, like a XHTML file that contains SVG, MathML or RSS. In such a scenario XHTML may simply act as a container. How about that? What's the correct mime-type for such a kind of beast? I have the feeling a simple mime-type isn't able to express the real nature of a compound XML document... Massimo Foti DW tools: http://www.massimocorner.com CF tools: http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193126 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
you need to create a DTD to encompass all these.. W3C has a good example.. [XHTMLMOD] http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-XHTMLplusMathMLplusSVG-20020809/#ref-xhtmlmodschema frankly I think.. until the XHTML MOD Schema is finalized(working draft now) stuff like this gonna be.. a pain.. unless you are a fan of DTD's Massimo, Tiziana e Federica wrote: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] XHTML in general has to be served as application/xhtml+xml, application/xml or text/xml to be valid. So serving the files with a mimetype other than the required results in invalid XHTML, although the format looks XHTML valid. I tend to agree (see my CF tools page with a Gekko based browser), but I feel there is more than that. With XHTML you can create compound documents, mixing different XML languages inside the same document, like a XHTML file that contains SVG, MathML or RSS. In such a scenario XHTML may simply act as a container. How about that? What's the correct mime-type for such a kind of beast? I have the feeling a simple mime-type isn't able to express the real nature of a compound XML document... Massimo Foti DW tools: http://www.massimocorner.com CF tools: http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/ ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193131 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
that's a whole 'nother discussion :) the biggest deal is that HTML is going away. There will be no HTML 5. The current (4.whatever) is the last. XHTML is the next standard as defined by the W3C. XHTML itself is nothing more than 'well formed' HTML (so if you wrote 'good HTML', you're in good shape). Basically: 1) all tags must be closed. this includes option, li, and the like. single tags such as br, img, etc close themselves (a la br /). 2) all tag attributes must be lowercase. this includes events like onclick, onsubmit, etc. 3) all attribute values must be in quotes. that's XHTML in a nutshell. if adhering to standards matters to you, then XHTML should be a big deal. I'm sure Jochem has an RFC or BLT or some such that he'll share as well :) On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:43:01 -0500, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like it, because it's consistent with the XHTML I create. Ok, but whats the big deal of XHTML after all? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193029 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
XHTML itself is nothing more than 'well formed' HTML (so if you wrote 'good HTML', you're in good shape). Basically: 1) all tags must be closed. this includes option, li, and the like. single tags such as br, img, etc close themselves (a la br /). 2) all tag attributes must be lowercase. this includes events like onclick, onsubmit, etc. 3) all attribute values must be in quotes. that's XHTML in a nutshell. Well, there's a little more than will fit within that nutshell. XHTML isn't HTML at all - it's an XML language that shares many common elements with HTML and it is intended to replace HTML. However, you may have written well-formed HTML that isn't at all XHTML-compliant. Also, element names - what we'd typically call tag names in HTML - must also be lowercase, and there are some HTML tags which don't exist in XHTML if I recall correctly. I'm sure Jochem has an RFC or BLT or some such that he'll share as well :) You don't want to get a sandwich in the mail from Europe; trust me on that. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193030 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sure Jochem has an RFC or BLT or some such that he'll share as well :) I'll take two with extra bacon! Seriously though... I look forward to when XHTML becomes the norm. Hopefuylly the results are MUCH BETTER coded pages... I get really sick of looking at shitty HTML all the time. SOME ALL CAPS, some all lowercase, sOme MixedcASe organization and standards is where its at. :-) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193035 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
cleaning up the deprecated tags like font and the like will also really clean up the code (and by putting all of the presentation code into css, your pages will load that much faster)! /me hears ms. clark shout an amen from up north :) On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:25:00 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sure Jochem has an RFC or BLT or some such that he'll share as well :) I'll take two with extra bacon! Seriously though... I look forward to when XHTML becomes the norm. Hopefuylly the results are MUCH BETTER coded pages... I get really sick of looking at shitty HTML all the time. SOME ALL CAPS, some all lowercase, sOme MixedcASe organization and standards is where its at. :-) ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193036 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cleaning up the deprecated tags like font and the like will also really clean up the code (and by putting all of the presentation code into css, your pages will load that much faster)! /me hears ms. clark shout an amen from up north :) I wonder what will happen to all those nifty WYSIWYG editors... I have never been a fan of the HTML they output. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193037 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
TinyMCE outputs XHTML, so no problems there... -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 4 February 2005 10:37 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?) From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cleaning up the deprecated tags like font and the like will also really clean up the code (and by putting all of the presentation code into css, your pages will load that much faster)! /me hears ms. clark shout an amen from up north :) I wonder what will happen to all those nifty WYSIWYG editors... I have never been a fan of the HTML they output. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193038 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
1) all tags must be closed. this includes option, li, and the like. No problem with that. single tags such as br, img, etc close themselves (a la br/). Completely useless, but anyway... 2) all tag attributes must be lowercase. This I really hate. Since HTML is actually a mix of several languages like Javascript, CSS, etc, and text, I find much clearer to have all tags in upper case, including CFML, and the rest in lowercase. It is much easier to separate different parts, especially that text is mostly lower case. 3) all attribute values must be in quotes. No problem with that, I use quotes most of the time, -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193042 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
.. 3) all attribute values must be in quotes. that's XHTML in a nutshell. be lowercase, and there are some HTML tags which don't exist in XHTML if I recall correctly. You are right.. but that's the beauty of XHTML Modularization.. you can easily extend it.. to match whatever you need it to.. one of the most common attribute that is not in the XHTML DTD is target and you can add the following to your doctype dec and get ur self a valid XHTML document.. !ATTLIST a target CDATA #IMPLIED With the coming release of Blackstone (hopefully soon) XHTML and XForms combo is gonna be a killer.. I can't wait.. wishing right now I was on the beta test.. ;) -- Umer Farooq Octadyne Systems +1 (519) 489-1119 voice +1 (519) 635-2795 mobile +1 (530) 326-3586 fax WEB SOLUTIONS FOR NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION: http://www.Non-ProfitSites.biz WARNING: --- The information contained in this document and attachments is confidential and intended only for the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any other use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this document by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this document and attachments without making any copy of any kind. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193048 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?)
XHTML is still unsupported by IE, so if you need to develop for IE, use quirks mode at least, or stick to 4.01 Micha Schopman Software Engineer Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 4 februari 2005 3:53 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?) TinyMCE outputs XHTML, so no problems there... -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 4 February 2005 10:37 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Slightly OT: XHTML (was Re: cfset ?) From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cleaning up the deprecated tags like font and the like will also really clean up the code (and by putting all of the presentation code into css, your pages will load that much faster)! /me hears ms. clark shout an amen from up north :) I wonder what will happen to all those nifty WYSIWYG editors... I have never been a fan of the HTML they output. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193049 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
