RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
well some of us do use flash and if u can make a cfc u can do some pretty amazing things with flash and cfm and now that flex is getting near to being used on shared servers, look out!!! personally, i would rather have the flash goodies, cfm isnt near as tough (unless it was an app like phpbb in cfm) -- Original Message -- From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:55:35 +0100 Ben, Dreamweaver was meant to be a replacement for Homesite and CF Studio, that is why it is dying. But more people feel the way you do. The only positive feedback I heard from the product is from MM employees, which makes you think if they see us as users or... customers ;) Well DevNet, CD's were ok, but the content on DevNet is just not interesting for the experienced user. If you are a newcomer I would say handy. But who cares about creating a guestbook. Every person on this list can do that. I have much more pleasure reading the articles on clearsoftware.net than those from DevNet. I would not miss those resource kits also. The stuff in it was too simple, and mostly aimed at Flash. The resource kits are just overpriced for what they are now but imo Macromedia is still to much minded at Flash. You see that also by how the Flash/Central/Flex community is approached compared to the ColdFusion community with all sorts of Flash goodies. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189484 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
Dave, You can indeed, I do a lot of Flash work myself, but I don't see myself for ex. building entire CMS backend interfaces with Flash :) Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189485 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
i here ya :) i would if i could! maybe flex will change all that -- Original Message -- From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:26:22 +0100 Dave, You can indeed, I do a lot of Flash work myself, but I don't see myself for ex. building entire CMS backend interfaces with Flash :) Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ~| This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=11 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189486 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
Well I wouldn't, just because it is too heavy and lacks a lot of caching abilities, general functionality, that browsers do have. Applications created with dHTML are so much more responsive. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189487 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
As a general rule I'd rather chew off my right arm than deal with sales people. And as a general rule, if a company can't be bothered to advertise the price of something as simple as a software suite, then I'm not going to deal with them. I hate calling sales people, haggling over price, and still feeling like I got screwed when I hang up the phone. The other thing that really irks me about this whole thing is the lack of communication from Macromedia on this issue. My license is expiring today. I got messages from Macromedia warning me that I have to hurry and renew my subscription as recently as last week. I still have yet to receive anything from Macromedia notifying me that program was being phased out. They have my e-mail address. They have my mailing address. Do they need a blood sample before they'll tell me what the heck is going on? Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189364 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The Death of DevNet :-(
I received the email yesterday. Make sure your spam filter, if any, disn't swipe it! Ben Rogers wrote: As a general rule I'd rather chew off my right arm than deal with sales people. And as a general rule, if a company can't be bothered to advertise the price of something as simple as a software suite, then I'm not going to deal with them. I hate calling sales people, haggling over price, and still feeling like I got screwed when I hang up the phone. The other thing that really irks me about this whole thing is the lack of communication from Macromedia on this issue. My license is expiring today. I got messages from Macromedia warning me that I have to hurry and renew my subscription as recently as last week. I still have yet to receive anything from Macromedia notifying me that program was being phased out. They have my e-mail address. They have my mailing address. Do they need a blood sample before they'll tell me what the heck is going on? Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 -- Alex Sherwood Director, Internet Services PHS Collection Agency Phone: 813-283-4579 Web: www.phs-net.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189367 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The Death of DevNet :-(
On Jan 5, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Ben Rogers wrote: I still have yet to receive anything from Macromedia notifying me that program was being phased out. They have my e-mail address. They have my mailing address. Do they need a blood sample before they'll tell me what the heck is going on? Emails were sent out over the last couple of days to all DevNet subscribers. Anyway, I really really really encourage you guys to send feedback and questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the right people are on that list. All we can do on cf-talk is post URLs to information on the website which you guys have probably already seen. Thanks, Christian ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189391 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The Death of DevNet :-(
Thanks for that, Sean. I'd seen the second page, but the first escaped my searching until you posted it here. cheers, barneyb On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:03:21 -0800, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:03:41 -0800, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a quick and dirty answer for the question that is forefront in my mind, and probably a lot of other people as well: This should answer most questions: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/faq_eol.html http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/productinfo/buy/volume_license.html Perhaps a FAQ page on macromedia.com would be better? See above... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 5 invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 9 invites. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189410 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
Just received mine. Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: The Death of DevNet :-( On Jan 5, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Ben Rogers wrote: I still have yet to receive anything from Macromedia notifying me that program was being phased out. They have my e-mail address. They have my mailing address. Do they need a blood sample before they'll tell me what the heck is going on? Emails were sent out over the last couple of days to all DevNet subscribers. Anyway, I really really really encourage you guys to send feedback and questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the right people are on that list. All we can do on cf-talk is post URLs to information on the website which you guys have probably already seen. Thanks, Christian ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189415 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
I just picked up on this thread so I apologize. Is Macromedia closing the does on DevNet? If so can someone please send me a link on this. Thanks, Jason L. West, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ben Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 13:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The Death of DevNet :-( Just received mine. Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: The Death of DevNet :-( On Jan 5, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Ben Rogers wrote: I still have yet to receive anything from Macromedia notifying me that program was being phased out. They have my e-mail address. They have my mailing address. Do they need a blood sample before they'll tell me what the heck is going on? Emails were sent out over the last couple of days to all DevNet subscribers. Anyway, I really really really encourage you guys to send feedback and questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the right people are on that list. All we can do on cf-talk is post URLs to information on the website which you guys have probably already seen. Thanks, Christian ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189420 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
Sorry for that, stupid spell check. Is Macromedia closing the doors on DevNet? Jason L. West, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jason L. West, Sr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 14:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The Death of DevNet :-( I just picked up on this thread so I apologize. Is Macromedia closing the does on DevNet? If so can someone please send me a link on this. Thanks, Jason L. West, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ben Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 13:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The Death of DevNet :-( Just received mine. Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: The Death of DevNet :-( On Jan 5, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Ben Rogers wrote: I still have yet to receive anything from Macromedia notifying me that program was being phased out. They have my e-mail address. They have my mailing address. Do they need a blood sample before they'll tell me what the heck is going on? Emails were sent out over the last couple of days to all DevNet subscribers. Anyway, I really really really encourage you guys to send feedback and questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] All the right people are on that list. All we can do on cf-talk is post URLs to information on the website which you guys have probably already seen. Thanks, Christian ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189426 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
Ben, I only got my email this morning. I'm guessing that some of the lag is a batching/traffic issue or such. There is always the hope that if we collectively (as Christian as advised) hit the DevNet mailing list that Macromedia will see that adjusting their licensing scheme to handle the problems they are experiencing from an Enterprise standpoint is not correctly gauged for their basic developer community. Perhaps they might see there is some logic in making some better provisions for us. I'm guessing (hoping that) because Sean and Christian are both urging the group to collectively express themselves that there might be time to affect some change before things seriously get rolling with this new scheme. rish -Original Message- From: Ben Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The Death of DevNet :-( As a general rule I'd rather chew off my right arm than deal with sales people. And as a general rule, if a company can't be bothered to advertise the price of something as simple as a software suite, then I'm not going to deal with them. I hate calling sales people, haggling over price, and still feeling like I got screwed when I hang up the phone. The other thing that really irks me about this whole thing is the lack of communication from Macromedia on this issue. My license is expiring today. I got messages from Macromedia warning me that I have to hurry and renew my subscription as recently as last week. I still have yet to receive anything from Macromedia notifying me that program was being phased out. They have my e-mail address. They have my mailing address. Do they need a blood sample before they'll tell me what the heck is going on? Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189433 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
I wasn't aware of the DevNet mailing list. It must have escaped my attention when I subscribed to DevNet. Anyway, I don't intend to subscribe now. My subscription officially ends today. Though I intended to renew my DevNet subscription (the renewal price was right for all the software and DRKs), I don't intend on joining a new program. In fact, as it stands, I don't believe I'll be purchasing any more client apps from Macromedia. I've been largely disappointed with the Flash and Dreamweaver. The one app I really truly liked, HomeSite, is dying the slow death. Actually, I have quite a few customers using Contribute. So, when the next version of Contribute comes out, I'll probably need to purchase that. But that alone is not enough reason to join a new subscription program. Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: Guy Rish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The Death of DevNet :-( Ben, I only got my email this morning. I'm guessing that some of the lag is a batching/traffic issue or such. There is always the hope that if we collectively (as Christian as advised) hit the DevNet mailing list that Macromedia will see that adjusting their licensing scheme to handle the problems they are experiencing from an Enterprise standpoint is not correctly gauged for their basic developer community. Perhaps they might see there is some logic in making some better provisions for us. I'm guessing (hoping that) because Sean and Christian are both urging the group to collectively express themselves that there might be time to affect some change before things seriously get rolling with this new scheme. rish -Original Message- From: Ben Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The Death of DevNet :-( As a general rule I'd rather chew off my right arm than deal with sales people. And as a general rule, if a company can't be bothered to advertise the price of something as simple as a software suite, then I'm not going to deal with them. I hate calling sales people, haggling over price, and still feeling like I got screwed when I hang up the phone. The other thing that really irks me about this whole thing is the lack of communication from Macromedia on this issue. My license is expiring today. I got messages from Macromedia warning me that I have to hurry and renew my subscription as recently as last week. I still have yet to receive anything from Macromedia notifying me that program was being phased out. They have my e-mail address. They have my mailing address. Do they need a blood sample before they'll tell me what the heck is going on? Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189437 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
Ben, Dreamweaver was meant to be a replacement for Homesite and CF Studio, that is why it is dying. But more people feel the way you do. The only positive feedback I heard from the product is from MM employees, which makes you think if they see us as users or... customers ;) Well DevNet, CD's were ok, but the content on DevNet is just not interesting for the experienced user. If you are a newcomer I would say handy. But who cares about creating a guestbook. Every person on this list can do that. I have much more pleasure reading the articles on clearsoftware.net than those from DevNet. I would not miss those resource kits also. The stuff in it was too simple, and mostly aimed at Flash. The resource kits are just overpriced for what they are now but imo Macromedia is still to much minded at Flash. You see that also by how the Flash/Central/Flex community is approached compared to the ColdFusion community with all sorts of Flash goodies. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189483 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
The Death of DevNet :-(
According to an email distributed last evening, MACR is killing DevNet. StudiMX looks to be in decent condition with roughly $500 for a 2 year subscription. The bummer is that the portal, with the bevy of servers and tools, will be nixed. I personally think this is a massive mistake. As a developer, I've found the portal to be an awesome resource. Looks like you'll still be able to develop with IP-restricted versions of server products after DevNet dies, but it was nice having the whole shebang in once nice spot. Any idea why MACR would do this? -- Alex Sherwood PHS Collection Agency Web: www.phs-net.com ~| Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=17 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189227 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The Death of DevNet :-(
Does this also mean the death of the DRK? -Adam On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:09:12 -0500, Alex Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to an email distributed last evening, MACR is killing DevNet. StudiMX looks to be in decent condition with roughly $500 for a 2 year subscription. The bummer is that the portal, with the bevy of servers and tools, will be nixed. I personally think this is a massive mistake. As a developer, I've found the portal to be an awesome resource. Looks like you'll still be able to develop with IP-restricted versions of server products after DevNet dies, but it was nice having the whole shebang in once nice spot. Any idea why MACR would do this? -- Alex Sherwood PHS Collection Agency Web: www.phs-net.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189245 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The Death of DevNet :-(
Adrocknaphobia wrote: Does this also mean the death of the DRK? -Adam Yup. DRK 13 will be the last and final one, in Oct. '05. R.I.P. -- Alex Sherwood PHS Collection Agency Web: www.phs-net.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189249 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The Death of DevNet :-(
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:27:51 -0500, Adrocknaphobia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this also mean the death of the DRK? No...The e-mail refers to the fact that we will continue to receive new versions of the software currently included in DevNet in your portal, as well as the DevNet Resource Kits (DRKs) released throughout the term of your subscription. which suggests to me that they are going to continue. While pure speculation on my part, I think the death of DevNet is just a way to increase revenues across their product lines. If you think about the cost of DevNet Professional (as low as $599 for one year if you own a Studio MX and $699 if you own pretty much any Macromedia product), it's less than a drop in the bucket relative to the total cost of the individual products. And considering that you receive full licenses (for one computer) of each IDE they distribute (Flash, DW, Fireworks, FreeHand, Contribute), it's hard to generate substantial revenue relative to the thousands of hours put in to each product. As a subscriber, I'm a bit bummed it's going away, but I think it makes good business sense for Macromedia. However, I'm glad they are honoring the remainder of each account's subscription length instead of just cutting people off. Regards, Dave. Regards, Dave. ~| This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=11 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189252 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The Death of DevNet :-(
On Jan 4, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Alex Sherwood wrote: Any idea why MACR would do this? Macromedia is consolidating subscription programs. Right now, there is MVLP (Macromedia Volume Licensing Program), DevNet, Studio, and subscription programs that we have taken on through acquisitions. It's confusing for customers and expensive for Macromedia. It's like code re-factoring, but in a business/sales sense. You should be able to find answers to all your questions here: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/ Any issues that are not answered on the Macromedia website can be emailed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christian ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189280 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
Let me get this straight. For DevNet subscribers such as myself, the upgrade path is the Volume License Program, which seems to use a convoluted sliding point scale to determine price? That's supposed to be less confusing? http://www.macromedia.com/buy/volume_license/vlo/ I've been surfing the Macromedia site for the past hour trying to figure out exactly how much what I used to have will cost in the future and I still don't know. Looks like I have to call the Macromedia Call Center just to get a price quote. Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 1:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: The Death of DevNet :-( On Jan 4, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Alex Sherwood wrote: Any idea why MACR would do this? Macromedia is consolidating subscription programs. Right now, there is MVLP (Macromedia Volume Licensing Program), DevNet, Studio, and subscription programs that we have taken on through acquisitions. It's confusing for customers and expensive for Macromedia. It's like code re-factoring, but in a business/sales sense. You should be able to find answers to all your questions here: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/ Any issues that are not answered on the Macromedia website can be emailed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christian ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189285 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
Oh, it's definitely not easier to understand. I really dislike the shift from developer support to whatever it is now. DevNet was supposed to be more than just a way of renewing software wasn't it? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Ben Rogers Date: 1/4/05 2:28 pm To: CF-Talk Subj: RE: The Death of DevNet :-( Let me get this straight. For DevNet subscribers such as myself, the upgrade path is the Volume License Program, which seems to use a convoluted sliding point scale to determine price? That's supposed to be less confusing? http://www.macromedia.com/buy/volume_license/vlo/ I've been surfing the Macromedia site for the past hour trying to figure out exactly how much what I used to have will cost in the future and I still don't know. Looks like I have to call the Macromedia Call Center just to get a price quote. Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 1:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: The Death of DevNet :-( On Jan 4, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Alex Sherwood wrote: Any idea why MACR would do this? Macromedia is consolidating subscription programs. Right now, there is MVLP (Macromedia Volume Licensing Program), DevNet, Studio, and subscription programs that we have taken on through acquisitions. It's confusing for customers and expensive for Macromedia. It's like code re-factoring, but in a business/sales sense. You should be able to find answers to all your questions here: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/ Any issues that are not answered on the Macromedia website can be emailed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christian ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189287 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
I'm a little confused as to why on the list of products and points DevNet is listed as a product. I'm assuming this is just how things have been handled internally and the documentation is just now getting pushed out to the public but it seems it could use a little cleaning up if the object is to avoid confusion. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer AI-ES Aeronautics, Web Developer -Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 1:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: The Death of DevNet :-( On Jan 4, 2005, at 9:09 AM, Alex Sherwood wrote: Any idea why MACR would do this? Macromedia is consolidating subscription programs. Right now, there is MVLP (Macromedia Volume Licensing Program), DevNet, Studio, and subscription programs that we have taken on through acquisitions. It's confusing for customers and expensive for Macromedia. It's like code re-factoring, but in a business/sales sense. You should be able to find answers to all your questions here: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/ Any issues that are not answered on the Macromedia website can be emailed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christian ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189296 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The Death of DevNet :-(
It becomes even more confusing since DevNet is still listed on places such as the commercial volume licensing page and in the point document. http://www.macromedia.com/buy/volume_license/vlo/ A Studio MX subscription is 2 points, as somewhere in here: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/mvlp/vlo_points.pdf I need 10 points to qualify for a BVLO (Base Volume License Option; took me a while to define this acronym), so I don't qualify however I can still be an entry level user? I think that means I can buy the Studio MX subscription at the full price. Let me get this straight. For DevNet subscribers such as myself, the upgrade path is the Volume License Program, which seems to use a convoluted sliding point scale to determine price? That's supposed to be less confusing? http://www.macromedia.com/buy/volume_license/vlo/ I've been surfing the Macromedia site for the past hour trying to figure out exactly how much what I used to have will cost in the future and I still don't know. Looks like I have to call the Macromedia Call Center just to get a price quote. Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189304 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: The Death of DevNet :-(
This convoluted licensing system is similar to how many companies are doing it now. Needless to say it is a *major* headache trying to understand it the first time. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The Death of DevNet :-( I'm a little confused as to why on the list of products and points DevNet is listed as a product. I'm assuming this is just how things have been handled internally and the documentation is just now getting pushed out to the public but it seems it could use a little cleaning up if the object is to avoid confusion. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189305 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The Death of DevNet :-(
Thanx for bringing those inconsistencies to our attention - they will get fixed shortly! On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:53:35 -0400, Jeff Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It becomes even more confusing since DevNet is still listed on places such as the commercial volume licensing page and in the point document. http://www.macromedia.com/buy/volume_license/vlo/ A Studio MX subscription is 2 points, as somewhere in here: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/mvlp/vlo_points.pdf I need 10 points to qualify for a BVLO (Base Volume License Option; took me a while to define this acronym), so I don't qualify however I can still be an entry level user? I think that means I can buy the Studio MX subscription at the full price. Let me get this straight. For DevNet subscribers such as myself, the upgrade path is the Volume License Program, which seems to use a convoluted sliding point scale to determine price? That's supposed to be less confusing? http://www.macromedia.com/buy/volume_license/vlo/ I've been surfing the Macromedia site for the past hour trying to figure out exactly how much what I used to have will cost in the future and I still don't know. Looks like I have to call the Macromedia Call Center just to get a price quote. Ben Rogers http://www.c4.net v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189328 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The Death of DevNet :-(
How about a quick and dirty answer for the question that is forefront in my mind, and probably a lot of other people as well: If I have a single DevNet subscription that is expiring at some point, what does it cost to keep approx the same features after my subscription expires, and what will the differences in features be. From the web site, it appears that I'll no longer get Contribute with a Studio subscription. I presume the DRKs are also going away, or are at least going to be a separately purchased item? What about full-feature servers for development use? Still possible, or only developer editions? I don't know if CF-Talk is the best venue for these types of questions to be preserved. Perhaps a FAQ page on macromedia.com would be better? At the very least, a quick rundown of some of these basic questions. cheers, barneyb On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:59:37 -0800, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanx for bringing those inconsistencies to our attention - they will get fixed shortly! -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 9 invites. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189330 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The Death of DevNet :-(
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:03:41 -0800, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a quick and dirty answer for the question that is forefront in my mind, and probably a lot of other people as well: This should answer most questions: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/faq_eol.html http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/productinfo/buy/volume_license.html Perhaps a FAQ page on macromedia.com would be better? See above... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 5 invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189334 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: The Death of DevNet :-(
Are there any plans to make this alternative available through the Macromedia online store? As a general rule I'd rather chew off my right arm than deal with sales people. Spike Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:03:41 -0800, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a quick and dirty answer for the question that is forefront in my mind, and probably a lot of other people as well: This should answer most questions: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/faq_eol.html http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/subscriptions/productinfo/buy/volume_license.html Perhaps a FAQ page on macromedia.com would be better? See above... -- Stephen Milligan Code poet for hire http://www.spike.org.uk Do you cfeclipse? http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189335 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
